Wuhan lab leak & Cummings's revenge - The Week in 60 Minutes | SpectatorTV

[@burgesspark685]

Sunetra Gupta - I am just full of admiration, thank you.

[@claudiavivarelli7571]

Credit to Professor Gupta

[@noavocadoanymore]

It is quite clear that Professor Sunetra Gupta has a combination of intelligence and integrity, so no wonder she clashed with governments.

[@Kevin-kf9ct]

Explain what the actual practical difference is between Gupta's 'protecting the vulnerable' and what actually happened with the same individuals under lockdown? Gupta spins a good line, but it falls apart when you ask the hard questions of what it means on the ground

[@noavocadoanymore]

@@Kevin-kf9ct It's quite clear: protecting the vulnerable (i.e. old) under her policy, would have left the young and fit with their freedom, thus resulting in a somewhat moving economy and fewer pressures on jobs, businesses and younger, fitter peoples' mental health.

[@Kevin-kf9ct]

@@noavocadoanymore No it's not 'quite clear' because 'protecting the vulnerable' is weasel words until you actually say what it means in practice and what you'd do that is different to, and necessarily better than, shielding for the same vulnerable. Unless you can say specifically then 'protecting the vulnerable' is semantically equivalent to 'sprinkle in fairy dust and unicorns shit'.

[@tonypammen3033]

@@Kevin-kf9ct protection of the old and those who have underlying health problems, is quite clear in itself, but because we have some who feel we shouldn’t discriminate against anyone, we have a situation where the fit and healthy are locked up effectively, how is that a effective solution to a disease that does kill (my uncle died as a result of going into a hospital with a water infection and died of Covid , because of the lack of separation) but will result in more deaths due to the lack of care for other diseases and suicides etc that are well known. We will know more in the coming years of how destructive this policy of lockdown has been.

[@Kevin-kf9ct]

@@tonypammen3033 yet again'protecting the old and vulnerable' and no-one ever explains what precisely it means. If for instance you said all such people were to be locked in their houses and good only dispatched to them after being left for three days in sealed containers on their doorsteps then fine - but of course no-one says that so as always Gupta's 'protecting the vulnerable' is sprinkling with pixie dust and unicorn farts.

[@metalhamster14]

The pandemic began within miles of one of the only labs in the world from which it could exist and escape from. Coincidence?

[@DS9TREK]

Sunetra Gupta is a hero for keeping on going. I can't believe how much she gets attacked.

[@markusmaximus6636]

She’s had her life threatened many times. Covid is a religious fundamentalist cult. Matt Hancock is going to inject hope into every arm. Pandemic 2.0 coming soon all the vaccinated at huge risk of ADE antibody dependent enhancement leading to organ failure. Say all the scientists silenced

[@Kevin-kf9ct]

@@markusmaximus6636 Nope. ADE was specifically looked for in Phase II/III trials and there was zero sign of it. Indeed it was one of the things those of us actually reading the literature breather a big sigh of relief over last August.

[@burgesspark685]

@@Kevin-kf9ct Yes the ADE scare story is just more unsubstantiated fear porn from the anti-vaxers

[@markusmaximus6636]

@@Kevin-kf9ct what are you on about? It happens 14 months down the line. After a few flu seasons of viral mutation. These vax have not gone through any longterm testing.

[@markusmaximus6636]

@@burgesspark685 it’s not scare mongering it’s common sense anything rushed is not good. The average age of a Covid death is higher than the national average. If your under 80 and in good health wait and see what happens. Seeing as I’ve had Covid I therefore have the antibodies so no vaccine for me. Natural immunity is much stronger. It is fear mongering to use a PCR test not fit for purpose. It’s fear mongering that a positive PCR test within 28 days of death is recorded as a covid death, even if you died from heart disease and had a heart attack. It’s fear mongering to report deaths on the news without any context of age or co morbidities. It is a cult the masks and the holy injection. Matt Hancock is going to inject hope into every arm. I pray for Nuremberg 2.0 Dr Reiner Fuellmich and the teams of lawyers and scientists battling this. Prof Dolores Cahill and others give the healthy vaccinated 8 years tops. The next 5 winters will be telling if they are correct.

[@fen0000]

Professor Gupta is a brave person with far more skills, knowledge, integrity and intelligence than the likes of Ferguson et al. You will never get near Ferguson to interview him. And if you did, you would never challenge him as you have Professor Gupta.

[@markhutton6055]

Ferguson than man most wrong. Why would anyone listen to someone who was wrong atleast 5 times previously? 'We' have been looking for a pandemic for so long. SARS didn't happen, MERS didn't happen, Bird Flu didn't happen. They weren't going to let this one get away.

[@georgeengland1699]

Who would listen to GCSE Ferguson?

[@Fynch08]

Exactly. He said her ideas are based on assumptions... And Ferguson's aren't!?

[@markhutton6055]

@@Fynch08 her ideas are based on 100 years of science, the SIR model and 100 years of Pandemic Response.

[@athought2256]

I think Gupta's suggested strategy was right, focus protection on the most vulnerable. I also think she is spot on about the untold damage lockdowns have done and will continue to do for years. And as for where the virus came from this is so obvious I would suggest anyone who doubts it is rather naïve. I mean smoking gun or what? That said, I think deciding a strategy for a pandemic with relatively unknown source and potency was genuinely hard and whilst the lab is the likely origin it may have been collected from nature in the first place so there still may be elements of truth in the natural origin. Also this is all history so the focus needs to be on future recovery.

[@rodney_courtney]

God bless Professor Sunetra Gupta!

[@jglammi]

Sunetra GUPTA presents a most convincing strategy

[@Kevin-kf9ct]

How does Gupta's 'protecting the vulnerable' differ from the lockdown, as applied to those same vulnerable people?

[@JDT101]

@@Kevin-kf9ct No legal compulsion. That's the difference.

[@Kevin-kf9ct]

@@JDT101 So same protection measures, but greater incidence of the virus in the general population. That's not going to lead to a lower death rate, quite the reverse. If Gupta's 'protecting the vulnerable' is going to reduce the death rate there needs to be greater protection of the vulnerable to prevent infection, and neither Gupta or anyone else will say what that actually, practically, looks like. It's just hot air and waffle.

[@goldenboy06]

@@Kevin-kf9ct aha...it means the vulnerable avoiding social situations and crowded places whilst herd immunity is built amongst the younger, healthy population. What a shame this wasn’t tried...

[@Kevin-kf9ct]

@@goldenboy06 An just how is that different to the vulnerable shielding? The only difference you have is that the incidence of infection is necessarily an order of magnitude higher in the general population, which means that the chances of transmission to the vulnerable is an order of magnitude higher. We know transmission to shielded people happened, so your 'proposal' just means you increase that by a factor of ~10, and necessarily deaths among that group by a factor of ~10. Unless you can come up with some solid explanation for how your 'protecting the vulnerable' is going to be less porous to infection than shielding was this is still either pixie dust and unicorn farts or a death rate among those groups 10 times higher. This really is a devil in the detail question and if you can't do the detail it's simply fantasy thinking.

[@stevenverrall4527]

Why are the British so certain that their second lockdown actually saved lives? The US experience directly opposes this conjecture. US states that didn't lock down in Fall 2020 are now doing far better than those that did.

[@markusmaximus6636]

It’s all lies. The PCR test misuse you can chose if you want more positives just turn up the revolutions. The vaccines are nothing to do with coronaviruses. Dr Reiner Fuellmich and the Coronavirus committee. Nuremberg 2.0 coming soon or it’s the end of the West. Also look up a paper wrote by Dr Wolfgang Wodarg and Dr Mike Yeadon. ADE antibody dependent enhancement, cytokine storm. Leading to organ failure. All the vaccinated at risk of this.

[@Bobbynutty]

There has been a huge rise in dumbass bro I don't have much but thank God I've got my own mind they will never have that

[@joycejnn]

Exactly . No mask mandates , schools kept open etc in Florida and less deaths and economy thriving . Focused protection with limited restrictions for the rest and seeing that the majority of people who died with Covid caught it in hospital and care homes the Nightingale hospitals should have been used as Covid isolation hospitals with the army medical core and the 30,000 on the temporary NHS filling in any staff shortages .

[@OneDigitalSoul]

We have the highest death rate in the world. Please wake up. And pay attention. America is not an example of a country that handled Covid well. What are you smoking Holmes? 🤷‍♂️

[@joycejnn]

@@OneDigitalSoul we do not have the highest death rate , we are about 18th plus we have recorded everyone who died within 28 days of having a positive test for Covid as a Covid death ....our number is about 30,000 less than the what they are saying

[@trishdoughty1965]

"Nobody sensible thought this made sense" I can assure you Fraser that I am very sensible and not for a moment have I ever thought it started in a wet market. It was too much of a coincidence that it started in Wuhan when there was a lab working on coronaviruses' just a few miles away. Might I respectfully remark that it may be you who isn't sensible or are extremely gullible.

[@Kevin-kf9ct]

The reason why there's a lab working on coronaviruses right there is because the world biggest source of bats for investigation is not too far away in Yunan. So given this was a bat coronavirus the most likely place for it to arise in the whole world is pretty much where it did, lab or no lab. I'm not saying it couldn't be an accidental lab leak of a collected sample (no, it doesn't show any sign of genetic manipulation), but I'd need a lot more of a smoking gun to say that's more likely than the usual zoomorphic events that have happened throughout history. This one www.independent.co.uk/news/science/coronavirus-malaysia-covid-dog-pneumonia-b1851509.html only turned up in the last few weeks (now were looking) and evidence is mounting that the 1890 'Russian flu' epidemic was probably the introduction of coronavirus OC43 into human populations. I'll need something a lot more solid the a perception filtered 'coincidence' and so far I see nothing I'd hang anything on.

[@vicicooper4720]

Nor did I. Not for a minute.

[@abatesnz]

@@Kevin-kf9ct "not too far away in Yunan" Didn't Matt Ridley say it was 7 and a half hours' drive from Wuhan to the caves? Google says its 23 and a half hours' drive: www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Wuhan,+Hubei,+China/Yunan,+China/@27.2001556,103.2963206,6z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x342eaef8dd85f26f:0x39c2c9ac6c582210!2m2!1d114.305539!2d30.592849!1m5!1m1!1s0x36d083db32a05b29:0xa63cebb7ca8dac29!2m2!1d101.3431058!2d24.4752847!3e0

[@Kevin-kf9ct]

@@abatesnz Yes it is, but compared to how vast China is 8 hours is practically next door, all the other 10 million people plus cities in China are on the coast. Plus China is only one generation removed from peasantry - there's an awful lot of human traffic between rural villages and cities because parents and grandparents still live in them - it's not the same as in the west, urbanization in china happened literally in the last few decades - the largest annual migration of people in the world is in China ~half a billion at new year.

[@abatesnz]

@@Kevin-kf9ct Well you've packed a heck of a lot more in there than your original point that I responded to. Leaving aside that Guangzhou (15.3mn ppl) is 3 hours away and Shenzen (12.6mn ppl) is 4.5 hours away, at either 8 or 24 hours drive Wuhan (11.1m ppl) is not at all close, nor as large a city, and so your implied point that it is the place a virus would have broken out does not hold. Nor is it a better place to study Yunan-sourced bat viruses than those two far nearer coastal cities.

[@Grogster2007]

Well said Dr Gupta that is exactly what should of ben done from the start..... You are not in a minority amongst the sensible people.

[@tomthumb2361]

Ms Gupta is wonderful. My family have been asking why the vulnerable were not the focus of all efforts for months and months... Dissent is not allowed in the top-down managerialist culture fostered by the Tories and New Labour for forty years now. Ms Gupta still believes in collegiality, as I do. I was pushed out of my job for taking the kind of position in my field that Ms Gupta takes in hers.

[@Kevin-kf9ct]

What would the actual practical difference be between Gupta's 'protect the vulnerable' strategy and the actual lockdown we had as applied to the same people? It seems to me Gupta waves her hands around making vague assertions, but until she can explain to me what it would look like and how whatever the difference is precisely (and I can't imagine what it would be) I fail to see how it would actually saved lives - given that the infection rates in the wider population would have been much higher by design - and same population would have to interact with the 'protected' somehow,

[@simoom58]

@@Kevin-kf9ct If the virus had been allowed to circulate amongst younger people (without co-morbidities) - those at almost no risk of serious illness of death from covid - then we would (even without a vaccine) be moving in the direction of herd immunity. The only ones locked down (shielded) would have been elderly, retired or vulnerable people. For a fraction of the cost of lockdown and furlough (let alone the permanent damage of lost businesses and livelihoods) we could have supported these people - even accommodated them in 5 star hotels!! It would be a logistical challenge but not very different for all those older people who stayed indoors for almost a year anyway! You can lockdown the vulnerable or you can lockdown everyone. To me it's a no brainer. And don't forget the collateral damage of lockdowns which impacts poor people most of all and leads to the deaths of much younger people.

[@borderlands6606]

@@simoom58 Indeed, WHO advice built on decades of research was lockdowns don't work, except in small islands and where individuals can be traced and isolated. Advisers are providing government with stats and metrics that support their policy, while ignoring collateral damage. It's the "file drawer effect" in action, promote data that agrees with your hypothesis and bury data that refutes it. The proof of the pudding will be whether cancer, heart disease, poor mental health, unemployment and a healthy economy which mitigates against them thrives in coming years, or is hamstrung by lockdown. Will those figures also end up in a file drawer?

[@daviddouglasuk]

@@simoom58 But we did lock down everyone and still the death rate was very high. The problems apppears to be that we could not keep the virus away from the vunerable because they need help from younger carers. Having a greater amount of virus circulaing in the young would have made the situation worse.

[@simontmn]

Prof Gupta is great.

[@stuartblandford2310]

Am I the only person who thinks that Speccy TV is losing it’s impotence without Andrew Neil? I’m hoping this will just about keep me going until GB News airs next month.

[@iconicon5642]

If somebody got poisoned at Newbury Farmers' Market by some weird organic compound would you expect it to come from Tesco or Porton Down? Who was the last person to die from Smallpox - An unfortunate worker at Birmingham Medical School. No security is 100% all the time.

[@JoeSmith-cn7ur]

I remember last January WHO claiming it didn’t even pass to humans. Disgrace.

[@marieparker3822]

Origin of SARS-CoV-2: This was fully documented by Epoch Times in a video which I saw on U-tube 15 months ago (March 2020) presented by Joshua Phillipp. The 'Mail on Sunday' in, I think, an April 2020 issue, quoted an extract from an article published in The Journal of Biosafety and Biosecurity in August 2019, written by a *Deputy Director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology* in which he said, 'I am very worried. There are high-level labs (naming no names) which need Biosafety and Biosecurity experts and engineers, and at the moment they have amateurs'. As a lay person, I think the virus is originally a bat virus from a cave in Yunan, has possibly been subjected to 'gain of function' - perhaps for totally benign reasons - and then allowed to escape through gross negligence. The Chinese, being obsessed with 'saving face' would *have* to cover this up.

[@Kevin-kf9ct]

Molecular biologist here. The genome shows no sign of artificial manipulation full stop. Could it be a collected virus that escaped? Possibly, but zoomorphic events happen regularly - the Malaysians reported they'd found a dog coronavirus infection in humans only last week and I'm sure now we're looking we'll find a whole lot more. I think it more likely that the virus did originate in a cave in Yunan, but did its adaption in villages out in the countryside where there is zero biosecurity and the farmers collect bat guano for fertiliser. It's sufficiently non-lethal that it could have gone under the radar for some time, and could actually have infected visiting Wuhan lab personal by human-to-human contact out on collecting trips! In short I remain pretty sceptical.

[@Flat-White]

@@Kevin-kf9ct It does have signs of artificial manipulation.

[@Kevin-kf9ct]

@@Flat-White well, explain to me what they are then - and back them up with peer-reviewed literature too please. I should actually disclose that my PhD was in Molecular Biology.

[@Flat-White]

@@Kevin-kf9ct The virus spike protein had an insert of furin cleavage site, it was well prepared for human ACE2 receptors. Why did you ask about artificial manipulation to a single genome? 🤔

[@Kevin-kf9ct]

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1873506120304165. Besides, i don't see how you can think the appearance of an adventagous feature under selective pressure indicates artificial manipulation. That's what evolution does.

[@importantjohn]

So now we know Cummings lied about Prof Gupta. What else did he lie about?

[@fen0000]

Cummings is a stooge, setting us up to continue lockdown

[@Locutus]

Everybody lies, including you and me.

[@wellyman2008]

@@Locutus that's a lie!

[@murd0ck745]

Professor Guptra is a blessing of common sense, an subject to smear after smear.

[@markhutton6055]

Delaying lockdown had no effect what so ever. Lockdown was the wrong idea.

[@joycemcleod8249]

Very interesting.Well explained.Good luck to Dr Gupta

[@clarereilly5714]

Good programme & kudos to Prof Gupta for sticking to her guns. Amused that Cummings seemed to dismiss anyone not on Sage - thought he was a disrupter.

[@daviddouglasuk]

If we had isolated patients before returning them to care homes, stopped carers going from home to home, we would have had a much better outcome. Both options lockdown and protect the vunerable would have suffered from the same mistakes. The death toll ws not inevitable.

[@fen0000]

It was inevitable if it was intentional

[@timh.7283]

Wonderful woman of immense learning and integrity.

[@georgeengland1699]

She,s right if Hancock can get through this, he may become a very dangerous man, almost like a heavily vaccinated disease.

[@kezzabanana4958]

Where's Andrew Neil?

[@imbonkers5259]

Starting he’s own channel gb news on June 13th 👍

[@alilaal3284]

Fantastic program as usual. Would like to hear more from Ms. Kate Andrews please.

[@timrowe9583]

Professor Gumpta spoke eloquently and explained the situation perfectly. How can people be so certain?

[@PaulMann8666]

Professor Gupta is an excellent national asset. We should honour her for her honest work.

[@bertrandrussell894]

Listening to immunologists and genomics experts on the subject of a lab leak im all but convinced - because of the molecular structure and clear augmentation.

[@Kevin-kf9ct]

There's no clear augmentation - the one repeatedly brought up - Furin Cleavage - has occurred at least 6 other times in the same phylogeny. Also the genome itself shows no sign of artificial manipulation. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1873506120304165.

[@bertrandrussell894]

@@Kevin-kf9ct kzbin.info/www/bejne/kH6qiH-Cebh0acU

[@PaulMann8666]

An early "lockdown" on international travel may have been much more effective than imposing house arrest on the whole domestic population. But the WHO strongly advised against that; for reasons that were probably entirely unreliable.

[@J-SH06]

I like how all the sheep in these comments are treating this as if it is a fact now because Matt Ridley says so.

[@stepchicken3238]

Ivermectin has been listening to this row for over a year, and jumping up and down saying, "What about me? I was here all the time"

[@Flat-White]

Merck deemed Ivermectin "unsafe" shortly before gaining $356 million from the U.S. Government for finding a treatment. Ivermectin was a suitable treatment, there was also no money to be made from it as it's patent expired in 1996. Pharmaceutical companies would not have had emergency powers to produce an experimental vaccine if Ivermectin was deemed a readily available treatment for the virus.

[@stepchicken3238]

@@Flat-White And,...if Big Pharma's creatures, the politicos and MSM, hadn't conspired together to keep it quiet the world's populace could have been calmly self-medicating while going about normally.

[@kevingallen1678]

I can’t afford the subscription because I’m saving it for GBNews!

[@Fynch08]

I feel like this interviewer should go and work for the BBC

[@elainemagson213]

That opening music is so cheering!

[@johnnyboy1014]

I miss Andrew...looking forward to GB news but these are quality journalists and I still very much enjoy this weekly show! Erm, the Americans were not financing gain of function research in Wuhan well before this pandemic...honest, ask Dr Fauchi! 🤣🤣 on a side note I finally got my teeth cleaned by my NHS dentist, they were fully kitted up I felt like I was in a BSL 4 lab....

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Hands off Belarus! The west can’t get on it’s moral high horse after Snowden and Assange.

[@edwinchester487]

Nobody outside the London bubble gives a damn about what Cummings is saying.

[@TD-uq6lq]

Credit to Sunetra Gupta, thank you for having the bravery to make opposing/ alternative arguments in a brutally conformist climate.

[@oatypeddler264]

can barely remember Professors Gupta or Heneghan's names and yet we are to accept his representation of their statements without scepticism? Sounds like he heard what he wanted to be honest.

[@GLOKD]

Fraser Nelson's hardballing of Sunetra Gupta with trite and unidimensional questions is making me miss Andrew Neil.

[@fionawestbury7298]

What has happened to ANDREW?? Is he OK?

[@johnking5174]

GB News is about to launch, he is busy

[@shab9720]

She called it wrong… nobody should be admonishing her she made a mistake. But factually she got it wrong. Let’s learn as a nation

[@lynncuthbert2307]

All who pushed the fear factor will answer..... Nuremberg Code!!

[@marieparker3822]

SARS 1 (2002-03): infections, 8000; deaths, approximately 750 *Worldwide*. Head of WHO in 2002-03: Dr Gro Harland Brundtland. Head of WHO during the Pandemic: Tedros Gebreyesus. See his relationship with Xi Jin Pin.

[@davidearl4022]

We all know those Professors of Epidemiology and Virology all had different views when it came to the crunch and they were needed by the public. Professor Gupta you were wrong, admit it.

[@cestparti7577]

Stefan Molyneux outlined this over a year ago result was DE platformed by you tube.

[@geoffreystuart7458]

Craig Oliver chose the wrong side. His view is irrelevant.

[@paulcasey5204]

Thank heavens for Fraser Nelson and not having to listen to Andrew Neill's smug 20/20 hindsight.

[@JesterEric]

Russia's economy is much stronger than nominal GDP figures suggest. Ranked by purchasing power parity it is the 6th largest in the world just behind Germany and well ahead of the UK at #9. This means Russia's military budget buys 3-4* as much as the UK even though nominally it is lower

[@melmorrison1400]

Oh god! You can not possibly take anything the totally discredited Neil Ferguson says... come on! We’d all have been better off listening to the scientists and Drs who’ve signed the great Barrington declaration

[@Sabhail_ar_Alba]

Matt Ridley on the button again.

[@roblloyd1879]

Well said Sunetra. Not impressed with the interviewer.

[@mauricedonnelly2420]

So Prof Gupta, your attitude since covid started was to risk a lot of deaths in order to avoid lockdowns. You admit you are not sure your heard immunity strategy is definitely correct, its an opinion. Erring on the side of risk rather than caution.

[@nellbrown9554]

I am sensible and I thought that a biological weapon so well adapted and let loose by a Chinese malevolent dictator made a huge amount of sense.

[@albertmcmullen2669]

The Chinese would say that, wouldn't they.

[@peacefulpleb]

Prof Gupta ignored the facts that we did not have the luxury of time to debate things and months to come up with a strategy. Speed of action was essential even if mistakes were inevitable because the science was patchy or with hindsight our responses were excessive restrictive. She also ignored the issue of virus mutation will occur and new variants might be come more transmissible and more deadly in the populations left to carry on regardless.

[@charlesbadoola535]

Anybody else think that the way Professor Sunetra Gupta talks is very similiar to that of the late J G Ballard? Both born abroad I believe, both highly intelligent. I'm struck by the similarity - totally irrelevant to this discussion, of course.

[@pablovandres]

I thought it was only the Americans who were deranged about Putin, the boogeyman.

[@Therealbkbk2019]

Epoch times

[@markhutton6055]

An IFR of 1 in a thousand is 0.1%, which is the IFR of the flu.

[@cheltenhamSpa]

CV-19 cannot be naturally occuring, between the 1900,'s and now it would have appeared several times surely?

[@anonnemo2504]

On the subject of Mr. Cummings, Mr. Nelson seemed to confuse allegations and revelations and, in so doing, is likely to have created further confusion for viewers. Otherwise, this was another excellent programme.

[@TheShootist]

where is Douglas hiding? Or, is Douglas being shadow banned on twitter or youtube?

[@MrVorpalsword]

Clearly Cummings has a ridiculously high opinion of himself .... fuelled by the BBC and the middle-classes who thought he pulled the rabbit out of the hat in the Brexit vote. But, I've got news for you Dom. if we'd have had the brexit vote the day after it was announced, with NO campaigning, it would have produced the same result, true dat ;) .

[@aaroncornick3171]

If you're on the public penny, DO NOT GO WOKE! If you do, you'll soon find that the public pennies will dry up.

[@MrVorpalsword]

speculation with hindsight is still dodgy as hell (and biased), "20K deaths if lockdown came forward a week". Oh and greedy universities having the kids in to pay rent (while not getting face to face tuition) caused the Autumn surge. (erm- in my opinion, taking Dr. Gupta's point on undeserved certainties)

[@Niemand1947]

59:39 shocking to the think the Swedish royal family is "white upper class people". I mean they would be upper class what with being royal and all that. 🤫

[@philipford6183]

There were plenty of scientists suggesting the scientific plausibility of the lab leak theory 12 months ago. The spectator is engaged in pathetic pantomime here. Dismal.

[@hairy7653]

Yep This is what Alex Jones was saying in Feb 2020, think about it

[@tuttibeachclubgoldensandsv9814]

Occam's razor

[@pfcsantiago8852]

Sort the recording levels out !

[@theexiles100]

Journalists are fixated with this so called "Herd immunity strategy" they're like a dog who won't let go of a blanket. Herd immunity is not a strategy, it is a simple side effect of other mitigation measures.

[@Therealbkbk2019]

The kid reporter had the story from beginning a year ago, reporter for "epoch time's"..no credit anywhere,wtf is wrong with this picture?

[@tuttibeachclubgoldensandsv9814]

Au contraire those that read journals on science just could not be open without losing their finding ... So they all kept stumm

[@JayDeeChannel]

Its funny job Cummings is so completely forgettable

[@rahbourelas6457]

Mathematical Modelling? One of the great things for consultants whose "experience" lies in such prophesies, is that, depending on the assumptions made, conclusions can be derived to confirm the beliefs of any one of the various parties concerned. That's the great thing for consultants / modellers: they can show whatever conclusion their client wants and stuff $$$ into their wallets! Just imagine: consultants said that the rail tunnel between England and France would be financially feasible, that the Micky Mouse theme park near Paris would be feasible, yet both have had to be refinanced many a time. The same goes for the great rip-off of the tax payer disguised as "public private finance" - stupid from the 1992 start (thanks to the idiocy of the Maastricht Treaty - to which the John Major (Government was daft enough to sign up to). Bottom line: don't believe the cra*p from modellers/consultants or people who maintain that their proposals are based on the aforesaid 's "studies"!

[@TheShootist]

wuhan lab hypothesis. Not a theory.

[@JC1533-g7n]

Owen Matthews looks like Tsar Alexander III of Russia.

[@pablovandres]

Fraser's really a hottie! :P

[@andreare7766]

Excellent show this week! (bur Fraser, do shave beforehand :D )

[@allangriffiths9555]

Fraser: Love the show but you look so scruffy! Wear a shirt with a collar that doesn't curl; do up the top button and straighten your tie. Most of all - either shave or grow a beard! It just looks like you don't care, but I'm sure you do. If you'd rather not wear a tie, don't. If you do, take the trouble to tie it properly.

[@allangriffiths9555]

@@mariea82 refreshingly honest! I'm a bloke, so I wouldn't! LOL

[@mariea82]

@@allangriffiths9555 😂😂

[@cyclist68]

.Gotta keep those microwave ovens TVs and cell phones flowing though eh?

[@Luke-mr4ew]

Fraser, please listen to the answers given by a scientist, and if you are going to ask questions of a scientist then please think scientifically.

[@richardwilliams3308]

Did Craig Oliver get his kitchen from wickes?

[@martynspooner5822]

Does anyone actually trust Cummings?

[@antonygdouglas3935]

My goodness Specie , you really need to try and keep up , late as ever to the story .

[@guff9567]

Fraser Nelson, please can you get elocution lessons?

[@janekennaway8008]

hE MAKES IT ALL SOUND LIKE EASTENDERS!

[@eggymixes]

People like this guy I find so frustrating. Talks from a supposed position of authority but then says dumb things like “my starting point was that leak was unlikely because Mother Nature is better at creating these things than mankind.” That is patently false and suggests complete and utter absence of any knowledge of gains of function research the point of which is exactly that.

[@rufusreloaded1043]

Does it matter that you can go back to what Gupta said at the beginning of the pandemic and see that she was wrong about everything she said.

[@rarrkind8782]

Where is Andrew Neil?