I don’t want it to sound rude, but I really appreciate you reviewing before sponsoring. It’s the bare minimum to expect from a KZbinr, and yet so many don’t do it and peddle garbage to their audience. So thank you
@Tarets Жыл бұрын
Why would it be rude?
@SlyAceZeta Жыл бұрын
peddle*
@CloudXStrife136 Жыл бұрын
@@Tarets i had a different comment in my head and rewrote it without changing that part
@pengun835 Жыл бұрын
@@Tarets idk rude to people who do, who kinda need the profit? anyways, yeah it is nice when you get a genuine review from someone about a product, no stipulations or anything. it can be pre costly tho.
@ArcYT Жыл бұрын
@@Taretsbecause it sounds rude to say that KZbinrs are peddling garbage, but really they are peddling garbage. some creators might need the money but that doesn't excuse the low quality trash they're giving a positive spotlight to
@TurboSax Жыл бұрын
If you were a DOS kid in the '90s, you were way ahead of the curve on this trend lol
@Peyto_YT Жыл бұрын
I got to try the Glyph at The Big House this past weekend and got to have a few conversations with one of the engineers of the project. I've been playing on a rectangle style controller for Melee, Ultimate, Street Fighter, and Guilty Gear since the R1 B0XX came out. This is the best version of the rectangle that I have seen yet. It has an impressively premium feel and the possibilities for customization from the LEDs, to the ease of changing both artwork and layouts (I saw the engineer change to a different set in just 2 minutes!), to the expansion bay and possible retro cables are endless and are very exciting. I also think that the full set is absolutely the way to go. I was worried when I first saw the Glyph that I would lose my hand placement immediately but I played for a bit and it felt natural the entire time coming from a standard rectangle. The people behind the project seem incredibly passionate and competent too. I really can't recommend backing the project enough and I'm looking forward to getting my hands on one of my own!
@Str8EdgeJesse Жыл бұрын
This is much cooler than the boxx controller I made out of cardboard and keyboard switches
@WulffDen Жыл бұрын
yeah but that has "CHARACTER"
@personnelproton Жыл бұрын
I saw this in one of your videos recently (I think the Nitro Deck one) and was hoping you would cover this controller. I fell in love with the design, so thank you!
@parker838 Жыл бұрын
The desk mat looks sick. Definitely picking one up to customize my setup better.
@Jeema13 Жыл бұрын
preorder completed. I've been seeing them in streams and cant wait to get mine soon :>
@wtfinland5088 Жыл бұрын
We have a the majority Ultimate left stick coordinates mapped out already. When this thing hits the shelves, we'll likely have a program for designing and finding all the coordinates for your modifiers even.
@sijonda Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you mentioned a keyboard at the end of the video. Because that's exactly what I would use instead of this. It's definitely a very cool design and if I didn't already mess with emulators I'd be thinking about it. If it wasn't over half the price of my Steam Deck.
@_WiZ420 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, the only reason I don't use these types of controllers outside of being a broke bitch is that the buttons have more space between them than what I'm used to with a keyboard. That being said, I like how they angle the layouts, and it'd be interesting to combine that keybox shit with this concept.
@thatguybwarch Жыл бұрын
Bob you GOTTA give it up on the "fightpad" dealio, that ALREADY has a meaning in fighting games. A fightpad is a handheld controller, like an Xbone controller, and usually will have six buttons on the face of it to easily support Street Fighter. Look up the "Hori Octa" for an example of what that is. We call controllers like a DS4 "Pads" All Button Controllers, or stickless, or leverless, or rectangle to refer to things like a Hitbox, Smash Box, Frame1, or WASD box or what's in this video. Adore the video, love your work, JUST SAYIN' yur crossing the streams for people not in the know.
@anderspaulsson Жыл бұрын
How would i not still watch this video, it got bob and possible fun commercial and cool controllers 😮
@awright18 Жыл бұрын
One thing I want from these is to be able to use the analog directions and the d-pad buttons at the same time
@d3lta_p Жыл бұрын
Hitbox sells these, it's called the Cross|Up
@badmoose0110 ай бұрын
Now you need a controller that is all analog sticks.
@Serralas Жыл бұрын
The question isn't, "why" you would need a controller with that many buttons but, "when" 😂
@Tomtrocity Жыл бұрын
Perfect! I needed a desk mat after getting my NZXT Player 2 Pro Gaming PC & it'll be my first Wulff Den merch purchase too!
@SlyAceZeta Жыл бұрын
I regretted missing out on your previous desk mat... but this one looks even better! Definitely grabbing one.
@ridokilos-actual Жыл бұрын
shoutouts to that 8bitdo keyboard. Been using it and enjoying it more than i thought i would - still miss the 10key numpad though
@blakerenimu9033 Жыл бұрын
10:15 poor Cap 😂
@SSJ_EWGF Жыл бұрын
2 words, One name: Kazuya Mishima ➡️⭐⬇️↘️👊
@adamw9764 Жыл бұрын
I def like this and decided to get in on the pre-order for one, dip my toe into this world of craziness. I hope that they end up offering the ability to have custom panels built so we can submit designs and stuff
@WulffDen Жыл бұрын
It's an art case, so you'd be able to just stick a piece of paper under the buttons to make whatever you want if you cut your own holes out. But I'd recommend checking out the website FOCUSATTACK for custom fightstick art printing. It's super cheap, like $15-20 for a print. That's how I got the art on my Snackbox Micro.
@SoundToxin Жыл бұрын
I think some other people already said this, but FYI, "pads" in the fighting game community refer to "normal" controllers, like a dualshock4. I don't know the etymology for sure, but I assume it's because these controllers had a dpad instead of an arcade stick, differentiating the two controller types you'd use in classic 2D fighting games. I would also recommend saying "arcade controller" or "arcade stick" instead of "fight stick" because these are used for more than just fighting games. It also makes it less confusing when you change half the name for the stick-less ones. You used a few terms in this video like leverless and all-button (I also hear all-digital sometimes) which are fine of course. These things have a *lot* of names and it's hard to say which ones will stick in the long-term. In the Smash community people also call them "rectangles" sometimes. Other names I would avoid are "hitbox" (because it's a specific brand/controller) and "box controller" (because it sounds like the B0XX which is again a specific branded controller). I had a soft spot for the "rectangle" name, but it's admittedly confusingly generic, so I've been trending more toward saying "leverless arcade controller" recently. It's also pretty safe to just refer to your actual specific controller by its name, like Flatbox, Frame1, LBX or whatever else.
@FiveZeroes. Жыл бұрын
I liked the desk pad so much I paused the video and Googled it and found it. As soon as I unpaused the video, Bob started telling any the deskpad. Lol
@randyiron2 Жыл бұрын
I always appreciate how well all the videos are made. You always make great points that actually matter. It’s very clear you put much effort into making great content. ✌🏻
@JbrockPony Жыл бұрын
I’m down bad for this wacky control. Yes, I will be that cracked guy in Smash and guilty gear pools.
@akira_ariga Жыл бұрын
"You're gonna need a whole lot of buttons" he looked so done when he said that omfggg ALSO YES JADE SWITCHESSSS I feel like if you've always wanted something like this but never got to buy all the earlier options, then this is great, since you can have those multiple layouts. Won't have to buy anything else xD
@Scrappy45 Жыл бұрын
Bro sounds like he could be from anywhere until the mare-e-o comes out i love it
@sashalamourblackatlas1260 Жыл бұрын
As a fighting game player and stick addict, yes. Imma need this
@trevlsteinberg5994 Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah, definitely gotta get a new deskmat and a 400 button controller to put on it!
@bot_matt Жыл бұрын
Love to see you covering this, Mr Wulff, been a long time watcher :)
@foznoth Жыл бұрын
39 keys, that's nearly enough for Minecraft.
@qlum Жыл бұрын
These controllers really proof the point when I raged at the best played with a controlelr screen on super meat boy. That game just plays better with a keyboard. The existance of controllers like this shows that.
@koopakapeАй бұрын
I mean no, it's definitely more comfortable and intuitive to play games like that with a gamepad until you've transcended to a certain level of nerdiness about games with years of experience that you veer towards things like speedrunning or getting seriously good at fighting games where the sheer accuracy and immediacy of these kinds of pads will be worth it to learn and get used to. And then, maybe, yeah, after MORE years of mastering them it might feel more comfortable than a controller depending on the kind of person you are. But for most people, for most levels of play, for platformers and such, a game pad is absolutely going to feel way more comfortable and intuitive
@emmamason4249 Жыл бұрын
can you add some cheaper/slower international shipping options for the desk mat? shipping to new zealand is $100
@trentonkoichi Жыл бұрын
“Imagine being at a tournament in pools and you have to switch between the Smash layout and the Guilty Gear layout because you’re cracked at both.” Ahhh so this is for Leffen when he switches full time to boxx controllers. Hahahah
@Acryte Жыл бұрын
I'm super excited for it. Looks great and the open source aspect will let me customize it for my character :)
@SSJ_EWGF Жыл бұрын
Personally, I'm really looking forward to the Superslab from Prong considering its easy to put on custom artwork, looks to be incredibly ergonomic, and most importantly, is very portable due to its size and the controller bag it comes with (can't tell you how big of a deal that last part is). Hopefully it knocks it over the park when it comes out to the general public.
@quarteratom Жыл бұрын
The keyboard is the ideal game control device. It has even more buttons that are much easier to push.
@SoundToxin Жыл бұрын
The advantage to leverless arcade controllers is that you can lay out the buttons in a more ergonomic shape. You can also have them pretend to be a controller (xbox 360, gamecube, etc.), and operate at different voltages (e.g. 3.3V and 5V) for more console compatibility.
@Ryan_TheBold Жыл бұрын
Oops! All Buttons!
@digadigado Жыл бұрын
the 8bitdo light thing is cool but doesn't really carry over to a controller with customizable layouts so I can see why it doesn't make it into higher end more customizable products, now it could be possible with an e-ink display but I can see why that would be left at the wayside
@yaniv_akrish Жыл бұрын
4:15 I'm still watching because I'm bored and your videos are interesting.
@WulffDen Жыл бұрын
that's a good enough reason
@nomoretwitterhandles Жыл бұрын
I know you're talking a lot about controllers, but I think something like this would be really good for PC gaming. I notice a lot of PC games/ports require a lot more keys than console games do. I usually end up becoming confused so I just plug in my controller to my PC and play that way lol.
@cmolle6334 Жыл бұрын
Fight pads are back on the channel!!!
@orbitalflux Жыл бұрын
i feel like this would be great for some MMO's. combined with a multi button mouse would be great, especially if you can shift some pad button with a mouse key press.
@JeskidoYT Жыл бұрын
thank you thank you thank you for answering the question the first minute!! no need to bury the lead
@x9x9x9x9x9 Жыл бұрын
I am picking one of these up. Once I saw the fact it has the option for a nunchuck I was sold. On another subject I love 8bitdo. Those guys never miss. I am using their keyboard right now to type this.
@Spen1337 Жыл бұрын
The fact that it's hot swappable is a massive positive
@SergioSergio12345 Жыл бұрын
The modified 8bitdo fightstick you got isn't called a fightpad, fightpads are actually just your normal controller but with 6 face buttons. A fightstick that uses WASD is simply called a mixbox.
@BronzeAgePepper Жыл бұрын
"Mixbox" is really a brand name like Hitbox (the biggest name in leverless arcade controllers). I guess the WASD config is still really niche and so doesn't have any other convenient shorthand. There's so many configs that it's only natural that terms like "fightpad" and "fightstick" get applied to controller configs that are similar but not the same as what is actually being referred to. (I'm big on fightsticks for fighting games, but I also love fightpads like the Hori Fighting Commander for 2D platform games.)
@NFiniteCombos Жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for you to do this
@RandomGuy2_Electric-Boogalo Жыл бұрын
Just a tip, he suggested using an adapter for series s and playstaton. If you intend to use something like this for the xbox series consoles, you should wait awhile. They're currently rolling out updates that prevent unlicensed third party controllers and adapters. This way, you don't end up buying one thats effected.
@mekman4 Жыл бұрын
Great Stuff, as always!
@jjgems6732 Жыл бұрын
Lmao i clicked on this thinking it was a musical isomorphic midi keyboard
@blarghblargh Жыл бұрын
"39 god damned buttons" **Keyboard enters the chat**
@MendedPearl Жыл бұрын
39 buttons omfg i need this thing so bad
@kumite1984 Жыл бұрын
hey, What is the clear acrylic controller with a raspberry pico inside at 18:13 ?
@WulffDen Жыл бұрын
one of my random etsy purchases
@jacobkart8210 Жыл бұрын
I only use first party controllers, yet I throughly enjoy watching bob talk about stuff……
@BraxtonKovary Жыл бұрын
This video is the definition of analogue button addiction and I LOVE IT ❤
@danwichgames Жыл бұрын
Is it bad that i would dig this for video editing?
@Kng__Wzrd Жыл бұрын
Preordered !
@_WiZ420 Жыл бұрын
Great review! I imagine that you intend to make a future review post release, considering things like the software, passage of time, yada yada
@onward27 Жыл бұрын
Desk mat V2!!! Excited to get the second release, not sure what to do with the first one now, but who cares! New is better.
@spamflip Жыл бұрын
I see a shadowcast 2 pro on his desk. Expecting a review soon hahaha.
@DaRoblin Жыл бұрын
Is there an adapter out there to just let you use a keyboard for this kinda thing on consoles (to dip one's toes sans $200+)? It would need to let you map these modifier keys correctly, but I feel like a decent keyboard could one up one of these custom built dooders since you can just take out the keys/caps you don't need and select the perfect key comfort from an entire full keyboard with numpad.
@seethruhead7119 Жыл бұрын
need a controller, no. WANT a controller, absolutely
@margarinedolby Жыл бұрын
Good title, I’m intrigued now I gotta know
@sheepishlordkos Жыл бұрын
Will this work for Pong?
@WulffDen Жыл бұрын
well... yes
@Zordiak Жыл бұрын
Have you ever used a razer nostromo? It's a really unique input device for PC. Might be worth checking out. It's actually nice for things like video editing as well as games.
@hotmintchoco Жыл бұрын
i love any video of yours that features the original Miyoo mini,,!
@noemimaldo Жыл бұрын
Look interesting and pretty. If I ever want to go with this type of control, I can see myself considering this. Thanks for your videos.
@IceColdProfessional4 ай бұрын
I need 12 buttons for fighting games and 27 buttons for macros. Gotta hit those 1 button Hadokens!
@darnitimstuckstudios Жыл бұрын
Thanks Bob
@vinizzle7000 Жыл бұрын
I missed out on the blue mouse pad, any chance it'll come back?
@blarghblargh Жыл бұрын
I love how he always pronounces it "eight bit doy". Unhinged
@retroRanger64 Жыл бұрын
More interested in JFAs sworl whenever that comes out, so can use it for non-fighting games
@SoundToxin Жыл бұрын
These leverless arcade controllers also work great for platformers and puzzle games (tetris, panel de pon). Depending on what the game you're playing needs, any of the controllers built with Smash in mind can probably already do a lot, since they already have buttons for both analog sticks out of the box. You use a modifier button to change between run/walk (how far the emulated stick is pushed). It may sound limiting, but really you don't need every granular bit of motion of an analog stick for most games. You can play something like Super Mario Sunshine with a Frame1 pretty well.
@retroRanger64 Жыл бұрын
Yeah agreed, I actually used leverlless controllers to play beat'em ups. But still prefer the approach being done with the sworl--like the idea of analog stick like controls + arcade style buttons. Just think it opens up more possibilities for game genres.
@philiphanan1493 Жыл бұрын
Needs a trackball, dial, scroll wheel, and touch pad.
@Chamberz55 Жыл бұрын
You should do a stream playing F-Zero 99 with some of your whacky peripheral controllers!
@bart2865 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for who made analog stick!
@bearsjunky23hof88 Жыл бұрын
Let me know how that Nintendo keyboard is. I was looking at that just yesterday.
@Appl_Jax Жыл бұрын
Does the glyph controller have a variant that has buttons to map the sticks anyway? I'd want an option to be able to map all inputs on the controller for general use.
@WulffDen Жыл бұрын
You'll be able to make stick inputs to whatever button you want, if that's what you're asking
@Appl_Jax Жыл бұрын
@@WulffDenOk cool thanks. My comment was in response to the "if you want sticks, what are you doing here?" bit. 😁 But I see you were talking about on the controller itself. I just want a good controller with large buttons that can be mapped to all buttons on a console's controller, including sticks. I have a Fanta Palm for playing some rhythm games, but the stick travel is too much for my liking. Jumped onto the Kickstarter as I think this should satisfy my needs.
@SoundToxin Жыл бұрын
The Smash layout in the HayBox firmware has left and right sticks mapped, dpad is accessible with a modifier + right stick buttons. So if you need both sticks and the dpad all at once it might not quite do what you want. If you only occasionally need the dpad, like for a taunt in Smash, it should be doable. For anything where you want to use the dpad for basic movement (2d fighters, platformers, etc.) you'd probably want to hop over to the FGC layout, where the dpad replaces the left stick, and analog sticks are not accessible.
@DrifterJin Жыл бұрын
That's a really nice deskmat. As far as the controller, I'm trying to think... Is it possible to configure all 39 buttons to make it playable for an MMO like FFXIV. That way I can play with a controller with a keyboard-like feel to it and have it make sense.
@CranesLab Жыл бұрын
There is a USB keyboard mode which just sets all the buttons to act as individual keyboard keys!
@DrifterJin Жыл бұрын
@@CranesLab Yeah, but I mean layout wise. How can I configure the buttons to make them not confusing, but it'll be interesting to try.
@CranesLab Жыл бұрын
@@DrifterJin There will be a software remapper so you can change the buttons to be whichever keys you want!
@DrifterJin Жыл бұрын
@@CranesLab I'm sorry, I may probably didn't make my point in the question clear. I'm asking someone who knows FFXIV, would 39 buttons be enough to do everything you need to do in the game. Because I would love to try to play it on something like this, but I'm wondering if it's enough buttons, or would it be too overwhelming to attempt something like this with a game that requires so many different hotkeys. I really appreciate your information though. Thanks for replying.
@BlackLight11167 ай бұрын
Does anyone have the stl file for his 3d printed concave keycaps???
@ocha-time Жыл бұрын
You need it if you want more precise inputs and better shortcut commands that TOTALLY don't give me an unfair edge, I mean just try it out day one against me and you'll see that you aren't instantly as good as me, I basically require these and refuse to play on anything else but they DO NOT GIVE ME AN ADVANTAGE. At all. It's the SAME as a stick! It just ...takes me a lot longer to do everything on a stick as quickly or as consistently as I do it on the Hitbox! That's all! It's NOT unfair, and a simple a coincidence that a more complicated and expensive to produce controller costs $50-250 less than the new Hitboxes. That's speculation!
@l064nnn Жыл бұрын
Hello, me again, watching this video for the 5th time wishing for the Glyph to come out 😂
@InJeffable Жыл бұрын
1:50 Happy to see a cameo appearance from the 8BitDo Retro Keyboard. Best typing experience I've ever had. I'll stick with the GameCube controller for Smash. I get the appeal of an all-button controller for it, but it just looks insanely complex to me. I am interested in a regular Hit Box controller, though. I just wish Hit Box would stop dragging their feet on native PS5 compatibility.
@mizland Жыл бұрын
What's your monitors?
@Noskradamus Жыл бұрын
Is one of the buttons for Jiggle Physics???
@turnt0ff Жыл бұрын
Maybe it’s in braille saying “lol you bought this”.
@kaztech36 Жыл бұрын
BOB! STILL WAITING ON YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE AYN ODIN 2! PLEASE!
@Sadtiric Жыл бұрын
I know it works for PC, but could you try it on the Steam Deck? I wonder if it would just WORK? Seems like a "no-brainer" for building a custom arcade cabinet type setup!
@MendedPearl Жыл бұрын
steam deck is just a steam machine, if steam can use the controller then steam deck can.
@Sadtiric Жыл бұрын
@@MendedPearl Yes, but generally when people say "PC" they mean Windows and some devices don't have Linux support. I just want to verify compatibility with Steam OS before I consider. ^_^
@SoundToxin Жыл бұрын
It will definitely work with the Steam Deck. It's running a modified version of the HayBox firmware and using a Pi Pico microcontroller (according to Crane). I have an Open-Frame1 controller which is also Pico-based and running HayBox and it works on my docked Deck. There used to be a bug with the dpad not working, but it was fixed in an update in the last couple months and it all works great now. You may have some issues navigating menus in Melee mode because it's not "pushing" the "stick" as far, but in Ultimate, Rivals, or Project M modes it works fine, and if you use the dpad it also works fine.
@Sadtiric Жыл бұрын
@@SoundToxin Love to hear it! Well, I think I might start considering it! I've been debating on getting a second Steam Deck and doing something like what Wulff did a while back for a while. Just need money.. XD
@UncleZilla Жыл бұрын
sadly it looks like the buttons are mostly 24mm still looking for a pad with all 30mm
@Godzilla003 Жыл бұрын
How can you play smash without the UP buttons ? Alot of imputs requires UP. These controller looks cool, but they are not for me, to me playing a platformer on a keyboard is the least comfortable position to be IMO. Cool designs nonetheless.
@MykeondaMic Жыл бұрын
not enough for salt and sanctuary lmao
@Hako_exe Жыл бұрын
Will the desk mat be available after the holidays in stock? Just can swing it rn but I’ll def swing it once my new job as a sys admin starts 🎉
@WulffDen Жыл бұрын
I'm planning on trying to keep this one in stock for a while, so yes
@MedalionDS9 Жыл бұрын
I called this the mentos arcade controller on twitter
@DaileyDoseOfJoseph Жыл бұрын
My Warcraft dps is gonna go up by .32%. Thank you.
@None17555 Жыл бұрын
SOOO MANY BUTTONS
@wulffdendad8957 Жыл бұрын
Do you have to go to a Nintendo tailor if you pop a button ? #wulffdendad
@WulffDen Жыл бұрын
har har
@alanmckinney5299 Жыл бұрын
use it for the smash tournament and get banned by nintendo for not using a first party controller!
@bolderandkennyv2 Жыл бұрын
The buttons are to keep you occupied
@WulffDen Жыл бұрын
a fidget box
@bolderandkennyv2 Жыл бұрын
@@WulffDen it's like a fidget spinner for adults who like fighting games
@GeorgeMcF Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah it’s Thursday
@ekoms108 Жыл бұрын
A regular controller has just as many inputs lol
@Boosterboy1994 Жыл бұрын
TBH with Controllers like this, I always wonder who is the main audience they're targeting. Cause for Casuals it's kinda overkill and too much money for normal playthroughs where that extra bit of precision wouldn't even really matter all that much. For Pro's it's not really useful cause as far as I know they can't use custom controllers on tournaments cause that could be an unfair advantage, right? So why would they ever train on one. So that leaves a group of people who don't care about tournaments but still are so dedicated to certain games that they buy custom controllers for each of them. Not saying there's anything wrong with that of course. I just wonder what are you're main reasons to get a controller like this and do you use it for a lot of things or mainly for one specific thing?
@Mufnman64 Жыл бұрын
All button controllers are legal in fighting game tournaments. Now with Nintendo's new tournaments guidelines it may not be the case with Smash anymore, but I've been playing both 2D fighters and Platform fighters in tournament with all button controllers for a few years now.
@Boosterboy1994 Жыл бұрын
@@Mufnman64 Aah ok, didn‘t expect that. I thought since they couldn‘t possibly know how they‘re programmed that that‘s not allowed to bring your own. Seems I was wrong. Thanks for answering :)