Wunderhorse: "The Next Big Thing?"

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Justin Hawkins Rides Again

Justin Hawkins Rides Again

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@natereiter11
@natereiter11 19 күн бұрын
The well goes much deeper than Midas. I hope you check out the first record. My favorite of 2022. Voice of a generation.
@whyisntitpossible404
@whyisntitpossible404 18 күн бұрын
Hey Nate. I'm a big fan of Cub but thought the songs on Midas were all a bit simple, and didn't have as much replay value as the ones on their debut. It seems that most people think the opposite- that Midas blows Cub out the water. What do you think?
@natereiter11
@natereiter11 18 күн бұрын
@whyisntitpossible404 I will say that my initial reaction to Midas was the same as yours. As you said, glorious chord progressions and orchestration. Midas is like the In Utero record (and recorded at Pachyderm), more raw, and like the same chord progression throughout nearly every song. No middle 8, no changes. In that way it was disappointing because the journey on Cub is breathtaking. I felt like this batch of songs is similar to contemporary pop artists in what might be considered a "boring", same throughout arrangement. A lot of the drama relies on where Jacob takes the lyrics and melody. I will say the more I listen to Midas, the more it grows on me. All of the passion is still there, and the songs are touching even in such simple forms. I imagine it was on purpose. For some reason (Cub? Jacob?) I have all the faith in the world that they'll keep churning out great songs. State-side they are finally hitting Minneapolis, so I'm going to see them this winter. And my buddy and I are driving to Chicago to see them at the Metro the night before. I suspect there won't be a ton of opportunities to see them in small venues in the future.
@Cloud-sl5gy
@Cloud-sl5gy 14 күн бұрын
@@whyisntitpossible404100% agree
@GibbyBoy2831
@GibbyBoy2831 14 күн бұрын
@@natereiter11touching on your last point, they’ve went from headlining a 500 capacity venue in Glasgow to nearly 2000 within the space of 18 months. Sold Out both times as well. The trajectory is crazy.
@natereiter11
@natereiter11 13 күн бұрын
@@GibbyBoy2831 all deserved. And what a community of fans... ✌
@AndrewKnight-t9c
@AndrewKnight-t9c 17 күн бұрын
Forget Oasis reunions, as a 53 year old I can attest that rock music is live and well thanks to fontaines and wunderhorse.
@CheeseWyrm
@CheeseWyrm 15 күн бұрын
Yep! If Oasis wanted to rekindle some rock credo - then they should be sounding like Wunderhorse IMHO
@buckets4518
@buckets4518 19 күн бұрын
You really need to listen to their live stuff as well Justin. Teal & Arizona are my two standouts; so raw and emotional.
@JeremiahPickardMusic
@JeremiahPickardMusic 19 күн бұрын
Absolutely love Wunderhorse, got to see them live shortly before the new album came out. I absolutely would recommend everything they've done but especially Silver from it.
@JeremiahPickardMusic
@JeremiahPickardMusic 19 күн бұрын
Also, belting this (and basically everything else) with the audience was transcending.
@donnachamccormack6330
@donnachamccormack6330 9 күн бұрын
Teal is honestly everything everyone is saying and more. It’s a sensational song in a lot of ways
@karinlouise5489
@karinlouise5489 19 күн бұрын
I like this. His phrasing and storytelling reminds me a bit of Lloyd Cole. I’m glad poetry isn’t completely dead. It gives me hope.
@plwadodveeefdv
@plwadodveeefdv 17 күн бұрын
wouldn't be surprising to hear bob dylan was an inspiration
@karinlouise5489
@karinlouise5489 17 күн бұрын
It seems like they’re super loud and intense live from what I’ve heard. Nothing else is going on in February in Chicago besides a polar vortex, so I picked up a ticket to see them. A friend of mine said they remind him of Archers of Loaf live, that’s a 👍 for me.
@johnnymancspice
@johnnymancspice 16 күн бұрын
Yer noice, I thought Lloyd Cole meets Nick Cave.
@YungFusebox
@YungFusebox 14 күн бұрын
​@@karinlouise5489 they're fantastic live, come back here to let us know how it went!
@nickharrison1604
@nickharrison1604 12 күн бұрын
@@johnnymancspice A bit like The Hold Steady too, remember them?
@OperationBlueprint
@OperationBlueprint 19 күн бұрын
10:52 here you see a man fully convinced by Wunderhorse. Justin's in a trance 😅 Glad you're enjoying this. British guiter music is so back!
@heatherjane910
@heatherjane910 19 күн бұрын
Just bought tickets to see them in Denver, Colorado in February thanks to you, Justin.
@finlayrolfe865
@finlayrolfe865 17 күн бұрын
That gig will change the way your view music at the moment, Midas is the TIP of the iceberg of how diverse they are
@LesterWard-jo5oo
@LesterWard-jo5oo 19 күн бұрын
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS CROSSOVER SINCE 2022
@OperationBlueprint
@OperationBlueprint 19 күн бұрын
Their first album is the best record I've heard YEARS. Genuinely brilliant the whole way through. I haven't listened to MIDAS yet. Still on thr first one
@swiftlymurmurs
@swiftlymurmurs 2 күн бұрын
Midas for me wasn't quite my favourite, but I know a lot of people do really like it and there's certainly some bangers on there still
@johnfallon4319
@johnfallon4319 15 күн бұрын
Thank you for this. A real lack of Wunderhorse hype considering how destined they are for greatness. They have been my favourite band ever since I first heard ‘Purple’ two years ago. They are just as good live!
@thomasarmstrong9377
@thomasarmstrong9377 19 күн бұрын
Found out about these guys at the start of March this year and got hooked. Midas is an album with no skips for me, my favourite song by them doesn't stay the same for long. They're already working on Album 3. I saw them in Leeds this October, which was my first concert and they were bloody phenomenal. The Pixies-ness is quite a good observation, as they were support for them on one of their tours. As well as supporting Fontaines D.C. again, they're supporting Sam Fender again too. I lost my Stepdad this January, and when I discovered Wunderhorse a few months afterwards, their music helped me so much, to cope with my grief - honestly, I didn't know what to feel/do/say when I went through it, but this band made a tough time a lot easier for me and I have never felt that way until hearing them for the first time. Me and him had a shared bond of music, he showed me a lot of bands that I now love; I only wish that I had found these guys sooner, because I know for sure that he would have enjoyed them too. That may sound cliché, I know, but I do genuinely feel that way. Thanks for everything Paul...
@Jade-ms2ys
@Jade-ms2ys 5 күн бұрын
thanks for the awesome recommendation make me want to play LOUD ---and as usual so cool how Justin picks up guitar and vocals so easily... genius.
@amberandmom5367
@amberandmom5367 13 күн бұрын
Because of your channel Justin, I have just found a new fantastic band to enjoy. Thanks so much for reviewing Wunderhorse. Love the channel. Liz xx
@ArthurCronin-es7kz
@ArthurCronin-es7kz 19 күн бұрын
Excellent stuff. It was brave of the Fontaines DC to pick a support act that could outshine them. They might have to turn the volume down when the support act are on.
@haroldbaker555
@haroldbaker555 17 күн бұрын
With all due respect to Wunderhorse, they are not on the same level
@finlayrolfe865
@finlayrolfe865 17 күн бұрын
@@haroldbaker555members of Fontaines have said they think that wunderhorse are better than them already tbf
@samy4523
@samy4523 17 күн бұрын
@@finlayrolfe865 for me the difference is that fontaines are more willing to explore new sounds and be more creative when jacob slater from wunderhorse is a better songwriter. Having seen them both live twice fontaines just edge it for me
@finlayrolfe865
@finlayrolfe865 17 күн бұрын
@ true, but you have to remember that Fontaines are 3 years and 2 albums ahead of wunderhorse, if you listen to Jacob’s first album (Pinky, I love you) then you can see development in style, I think the band needs time to develop like Fontaines DC have so I think that’s a harsh view on them from that perspective
@haroldbaker555
@haroldbaker555 16 күн бұрын
@@finlayrolfe865 look I'm not going to pretend that Jacob and Wunderhorse are not talented, but to me they sound far more derivative and less inventive than Fontaines. However, to be fair some critiqued Fontaines in the same way to begin with so I am looking forward to where they will take their music as they grow as a band.
@sirtogii5216
@sirtogii5216 19 күн бұрын
Great tune. Gonna have to look into these guys, cheers
@KyTaundry
@KyTaundry 16 күн бұрын
Listen to their live version of Teal that's on their channel, unreal!
@michaelhousman9604
@michaelhousman9604 19 күн бұрын
Very Lou Reed/David Byrne and Joe Strummer style vocals. Really cool song!
@CheeseWyrm
@CheeseWyrm 19 күн бұрын
Hits a lot of cool buttons for me, with hints of: Pixies, Lloyd Cole, Lou Reed, Joe Strummer, Hothouse Flowers, The Saints ... Much to like!
@Dismythed
@Dismythed 19 күн бұрын
I haven't heard anything like that in a long time. You caught the same things I did. This guy really knows how to write, sing and present a song (poem) in its best form. The riff I thought was Green Dayish and the singing reminded me of Guthrie and Dylan.
@alfiemm0975
@alfiemm0975 16 күн бұрын
I went to my first ever gig a couple of weeks ago to see these guys as they're one of my favourite bands and they're nothing short of incredible. Seeing them live is a whole different kind of experience that I have never felt before and I highly advise anyone to go to one of their shows as disappointment will not be an outcome (plus you will get bragging rights in a few years about how you saw these lads live before they became superstars).
@ddiaz28
@ddiaz28 14 күн бұрын
That was great. I love watching your reactions. Helps me find great new rock bands to listen to!
@markthornton8056
@markthornton8056 14 күн бұрын
My son (17) got me (54) into Wunderhorse. 'Butterflies' is my personal favourite but (as others on here have said) catch some of their live stuff: performing 'Superman' at Kentish Town a strong recommend.
@robbiereilly3161
@robbiereilly3161 17 күн бұрын
I saw them last year in Camden & earlier this year at Leeds fast. Absolutely unreal band live. Seriously the very best out there, theyre so special. Would recommended watching a live version of Poppy & July if you wanna see their range. Seriously special band.
@nathanhodgkinson6602
@nathanhodgkinson6602 7 күн бұрын
Just a brilliant band. Fckin superb live & both albums are quality.
@garageflower1905
@garageflower1905 18 күн бұрын
They are a genuine band. I had the pleasure of meeting Jacob after a very intimate gig in Brighton at the start of 2023. A lovely guy and it makes sense him telling me that his influences were more Neil Young and Dylan. Their live performance really blows your mind too, Cub was my album of 2022.
@juliarenaultartist5247
@juliarenaultartist5247 12 күн бұрын
100% agree that Wunderhorse are ones to watch. I saw them at the Isle of Wight Festival. One of the highlights of the Friday, along with The Darkness and The Pretenders.
@lesliehutchins326
@lesliehutchins326 19 күн бұрын
Justin I am wearing the same plaid as I watch! Of course,mine is my bathrobe,but I know VIV would be proud!❤❤
@DRCRANKNSTEIN
@DRCRANKNSTEIN 16 күн бұрын
Dear Justin, I just today watched the performance of The Darkness at the Monsters of rock 2024 cruise, and I really must say- that The Darkness performance was totally outstanding...the ingredients of your band especially you and Dan being brothers is matchless, and where do you get the energy for such a supercharged performance?, you guys have an wonderful teamwork and delivery, that no other band could stand up to, at least on this cruise concert series. hat's off to you, you bandmates, your superb guitar playing, singing, and especially your entertaining stage humor and dialog with the auidence- this was all top class- you guys are The Queen of the current rock world...a class A act of musical talant, songwriting, and performance. thank you Justin and The Darkness.
@Elwooddudes
@Elwooddudes 14 күн бұрын
Saw these guys live earlier this year, I was blown away! All great players and very tight as a band 🤘🏼
@finnhague5552
@finnhague5552 19 күн бұрын
Hahaha he finally did it I love this band beyond anything they embody so much
@joexkid9059
@joexkid9059 18 күн бұрын
Seen them live 3 times this year, absolutely unreal every time
@MrTripleA88
@MrTripleA88 17 күн бұрын
Been Stellar was another opener for Fontaines D.C. and they blew me away!
@annipreuss
@annipreuss 7 күн бұрын
What you said about them sounding like they don’t want to sell you the album is very fitting actually. Because their thing with this record was making it sound very “live” and raw with the imperfections still in it. That what they thought they lacked in the previous album.
@lawrenceprice4245
@lawrenceprice4245 16 күн бұрын
Cheers for the heads up I shall check them out.
@sampoole0510
@sampoole0510 16 күн бұрын
Excellent stuff. Wunderhorse are amazing, saw them in Birmingham last month and they were incredible. Known them since the first album. Gonna be the next big thing I hope!
@ElsieAng456
@ElsieAng456 17 күн бұрын
I saw a video of you doing up Ren's tie for the awards show last summer and it was adorable, thanks for helping my Boi as a Renegade for the last just over a year 🤘💖🌹
@trufflehuffer
@trufflehuffer 17 күн бұрын
I think “nonchalance” is the word you’re looking for. LOVE this review. Thank you! 🙏
@45artpm27
@45artpm27 18 күн бұрын
You always find a way to brighten the day. 🖤🎤🎵
@russellnewton6660
@russellnewton6660 13 күн бұрын
I’ll hold my hands up, they’re new to me, but I’ll definitely check them out. 👍
@RosieHarp
@RosieHarp 11 күн бұрын
The Westwood suit is very dashing 👍
@robbie.j7639
@robbie.j7639 19 күн бұрын
Was listening to this thinking, why does this feel familiar to me, took me a while but finally figured it out, it has got the same sort of flow as "Don't Go" by Hothouse Flowers. Don't know why it just sparked something in my head, love both the tracks though :)
@kavenkruber532
@kavenkruber532 13 күн бұрын
Fortunate to have seen Wunderhorse twice, a year apart. Unbelievable difference in crowds over that period but the performance was as incredible as the first. Epilogue and Morphine blow me away. Please cover Do Nothing, insane musicians that deserve more attention.
@KordTaylor
@KordTaylor 19 күн бұрын
Ok music. Thank you as I have not heard them. I need to listen to more. I’m a bit more on the melodic but yeah might be cool.
@just_for_u3-nw7ed
@just_for_u3-nw7ed 14 күн бұрын
The best part is that Jacob Slater (the lead singer) barks on stage
@maxmustermann-hx3fx
@maxmustermann-hx3fx 12 күн бұрын
just saw them two days again at opener for the fontaines dc concert. They were really great!
@ZuzuTheLemon
@ZuzuTheLemon 19 күн бұрын
Don't read the Midas story Justin, your half remembered, made up mythology has always been much more fun.
@aprilkurtz1589
@aprilkurtz1589 19 күн бұрын
Had me in the first and only four chords. Love it when a band does that, The Darkness does, too. Fuck, it's great when that happens, and it happens so rarely, but I'm such a picky jerk. I'm really impressed and off to download the whole album. Poetry that doesn't give a shit. Amazing. Four chords and the truth! Thank you, plaid smartarse friend!
@mantraray1963
@mantraray1963 12 күн бұрын
You both played the Friday at the Isle of White festival in June...I watched you on the main stage and Wunderhorse later in the Big Top 😎 Brilliant from both bands 👏👏👏👏
@benjoyce7487
@benjoyce7487 12 күн бұрын
I fell in love with Wunderhorse after seeing them support for Sam Fender in Dublin June 2023. I've seen them twice more since then, at the O2 Forum Kentish Town November 2023 and the Manchester Academy this last October. Their music is so so so good, and it's even better live. They are INCREDIBLE performers- would recommend watching their set live at TRNSMT 2024, or the full recording of their gig at the Forum. And just listen to Teal. Over and over again. It's amazing.
@Jchapman1611
@Jchapman1611 14 күн бұрын
Justin, wunderhorse are so good I'm glad you did a reaction video for them
@PostBrexitPop
@PostBrexitPop 19 күн бұрын
Superb
@eweng903
@eweng903 14 күн бұрын
Live performance of the week must surely go to Sleep Token who, despite III (bass) and IV (guitars) being too ill to play, completed a full concert in Zurich. Imagine an illness hit The Darkness at the start of their European tour, with only the vocalist and drummer able to perform live? The show could clearly go on.
@madisonstiver
@madisonstiver 17 күн бұрын
I HAVE BEEN WAITING SO LONG FOR THIS
@FayeBarnesMusic
@FayeBarnesMusic 16 күн бұрын
Hi Justin, I want to say thank you so much for educating me on The Cult! I had heard of the band before, but your passion on the subject prompted me to listen with a new ear, and last week I went to see them live in Manchester. The gig was great (what a set of pipes Ian Astbury has!!) I was secretly hoping The Darkness may have supported, both being British bands and remembering you hung out with those guys at a festival this summer - 'Open Fire' would have gone down a treat! Alas, the universe had other plans and delivered a support act of the most unusual and interesting kind... Jonathan Hultén. I was captivated and bewitched by his mesmerising performance. I implore you to check him out if you haven't done so already. Goth-folk, it's beautifully dark 🖤🖤🖤 Love and light
@anetakibanaki6350
@anetakibanaki6350 19 күн бұрын
Pity though when you touch your food and it also turns into gold😂Might be a bit harder to digest😅 Cool song, thanks for chosing it😊
@lofo7703
@lofo7703 19 күн бұрын
Glad Justin's covering wubderhorse. I've seen them a few times now, great live band.
@MrDobalinaMistaBobDobalina
@MrDobalinaMistaBobDobalina 17 күн бұрын
Talk talk by talk talk is the only one that springs to mind
@graney15118
@graney15118 7 күн бұрын
Jacob’s solo album is mentioned here……listen to the track “untitled”, honestly one of the most touching songs I’ve ever listened to
@ironiccockney1298
@ironiccockney1298 2 күн бұрын
The dead pretties were excellent but only had three songs then, these turned up just as I got into the deads. Went to see em at electric ballroom and they were having it!
@spencerjose891
@spencerjose891 19 күн бұрын
Was just turned on to these fellas a few weeks ago. They’re great!
@beng4466
@beng4466 18 күн бұрын
The first album especially is a must-listen for all guitarists!
@TheLeveragemusic
@TheLeveragemusic 16 күн бұрын
Lovely
@JuiceGuy07
@JuiceGuy07 Күн бұрын
Knew you'd have to get here eventually. Glad you like. Mk.gee next!
@Kiwi_aleek
@Kiwi_aleek 14 күн бұрын
You should listen to a band called The Amazons, possibly one of the best bands around at the moment. I'd recommend listening to, dark visions, in my mind, ready for something, warning sign and their new song pitch black. "Georgia" also has an incredible guitar solo.
@Angelicus-p5p
@Angelicus-p5p 19 күн бұрын
1985 Slow, Things Have Not Been the Same. Kinda reminds me of their irreverance. Slow rose up from frat parties to the Expo 86 stage, where the lead stripped naked and burned their career in one performance. Seattle area grunge bands followed these guys. Great flash-in-the-pan story for you!
@JuniorD1975
@JuniorD1975 7 күн бұрын
High Vis and Wunderhorse are the guitar bands I’ve been waiting for. Are we finally gonna get a renaissance of real guitar bands? It’s about time.
@auralfixxation6702
@auralfixxation6702 19 күн бұрын
I definitely get an early (first four or so releases) Pixies vibe from this.
@HaigyTV
@HaigyTV 16 күн бұрын
Hope you do some more videos on Wunderhorse. Undoubtedly the best band around at the moment. Got a good mix of heavy stuff and slow striped back stuff. The lead singer, Jacob, also has some solo stuff that’s impressive too.
@byronteehandunne
@byronteehandunne 16 күн бұрын
Best band I ever saw live
@mylene_vlr
@mylene_vlr 19 күн бұрын
Looking dapper in this suit! 👌🏻 Midas, don't touch people and turn them into gold statues. Finally another good punk rock band! 🤘
@stevecasemusic
@stevecasemusic 19 күн бұрын
“Snap ‘em off and sell ‘em” for the win!
@jameshopperstead1647
@jameshopperstead1647 19 күн бұрын
I hear a touch of early Pixies in that. Worth exploring!
@williamfield9585
@williamfield9585 15 күн бұрын
“Got a hell of a range actually, which he just can’t be bothered to use” New favourite quote acquired
@rtk9000
@rtk9000 18 күн бұрын
Love them. Cub is a beautiful album. Not got stuck into Midas yet. Seen them in Glasgow, But got too drunk. Maybe see them supporting Sam Fender in December. That would be a show
@lukashrvy6128
@lukashrvy6128 19 күн бұрын
Would love to see you cover xiu xiu, a legendary band in the indie scene. Their most recent album is a great place to start, particularly the songs Veneficium or Common Loon.
@benmills9411
@benmills9411 15 күн бұрын
I get The stranglers a little bit with the delivery of the vocals
@cath3638
@cath3638 19 күн бұрын
Great lyrics, awesome music! Midas story..everything he touched turned to gold -which was great -until he touched his daughter...
@James-ly3wf
@James-ly3wf 19 күн бұрын
Straight off the bat, just going by the picture ,that tv mini series called “pistol” looks like great fun. Easy to create a drinking game watching that. Snarl: 1 sip. Spit: 2 sips. Anarchy symbol: 3 sips. Two finger salute: ect ect
@GavinMcLeod
@GavinMcLeod 17 күн бұрын
best band on the planet. Jacob is a supreme talent.
@bobbler42
@bobbler42 19 күн бұрын
I’m getting Tombstone Blues by way of Brown-Eyed Girl in Stranglers’ clothing? The stranglers may just be misidentifying Van initially.
@Mogojoegotube
@Mogojoegotube 11 күн бұрын
Without a doubt the next big thing. Pretty unique sound compared to other rock bands that are active atm, good looking frontman whos charismatic so you've got all the ingredients you need to become a superstar in music.
@marksampson5522
@marksampson5522 15 күн бұрын
Fontaines.DC and Wunderhorse have been highlights this year 🙏
@_alifeallmine_
@_alifeallmine_ 18 күн бұрын
I bloody love ‘Wunderhorse’, the new one is fantastic, their first was my favourite Album of that year, I listened to it constantly throughout it, spruiking it to everyone I know. ‘Leader Of The Pack’ is a must, but to go to the other end of the spectrum, listen to ‘Morphine’, it’s transcendent.
@itsJamesHDjpe
@itsJamesHDjpe 15 күн бұрын
More wunderhrose please !!
@dannyburns3833
@dannyburns3833 12 күн бұрын
This is the first time I've also heard this song... My first thought on the overall song brought me straight to bob Dylan and the hurricane...anyone else think this? He even sings like bob, and I mean in that sort of talk singing style
@Magicalfilm
@Magicalfilm 17 күн бұрын
Shades of Mark E Smith and The Fall 👍
@arcd
@arcd 16 күн бұрын
Definitely hearing that in the Midas la la la la…
@SampleRate-w2w
@SampleRate-w2w 19 күн бұрын
Sounds good
@niallq8447
@niallq8447 19 күн бұрын
Good band they are.
@niallq8447
@niallq8447 19 күн бұрын
Quite velvet underground like.
@benmills9411
@benmills9411 15 күн бұрын
Love to hear your thoughts on Mk.gee! Just been to one of his gigs and his guitar work and general sound is something I’ve not really heard before
@DeanChapter
@DeanChapter 17 күн бұрын
Saw them when they supported Fontaines in 2022. Very good.
@weirdcritter
@weirdcritter 18 күн бұрын
That guitar instantly makes me think of Sondre Lerche's 'The Tape'
@MiaBeedo
@MiaBeedo 19 күн бұрын
I got a distinct Tom Petty vibe at one point. Then transported to the punk 80s. Then his own individual stamp of talent and creativity. The lyrics are 🔥
@amypauley2551
@amypauley2551 19 күн бұрын
Poetry! 🎉
@Nicolasmondragon707
@Nicolasmondragon707 19 күн бұрын
Justin Fucking Hawkins Rides Againnnnnnn!!! 🎸🎶🎶🎶
@blackline66
@blackline66 16 күн бұрын
Nonchalant… was what you were looking for 😊
@buckets4518
@buckets4518 19 күн бұрын
If there was a band I could buy stocks in, it would be Wunderhorse.
@stevebeaver1189
@stevebeaver1189 16 күн бұрын
Saw them last month at Glasgow Barrowlands. I thought that they would be a great live band but they were even better. Incendiary is the word that came to mind. He also has zero chat, just tune after tune. The only thing I heard him say was, 'They say that this is the best venue in the world... (pause)... they might be right.' Anyway, a young sell out crowd on a Tuesday night tells me that guitar music is still alive and kicking.
@pollybott67
@pollybott67 8 күн бұрын
Getting Mark E Smith vocal vibes plus a bit The The feeling
@GizzyDillespee
@GizzyDillespee 19 күн бұрын
Very Springsteen
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