WW2 PLANES VS MODERN JET FIGHTER (F-14A) - CHALLENGE! - How well can it do? - WAR THUNDER

Hey guys! Welcome back to the Thunder with Muffin channel. A new challenge in War Thunder is waiting for you in this video. WW2 Fighter Planes vs Modern Day Jet Fighter - F-14A Tomcat!!! Stay tuned!
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[@OddBawZ]

I read a lot of questions and comments about what was going on: - Sparrows were difficult to use due to the sheer volume of targets. The only way to pull off a missile frag was to single out opponents. - Ammo, it was limited so there was absolutely no chance to take down every single fighter. - Altitude and speed are your only hope but taking any plane in a head-on is a HUGE mistake. - The sheer number of planes is difficult, even if you singled one out if there's a single prop in the vicinity it's still very dangerous. - A better pilot. I don't fly very often outside of GRB so this was difficult anyway. Someone like Defyn doing this would be far more entertaining! It was a lot of fun, thanks Muffin for inviting me! Looking forward to the Abrams vs. Tigers where I have a bit more expertise!!!

[@seasuper3402]

Hai Odd I felt so happy when i killed you in the second match Also did you see they put the wrong replay for the tu-4 kill cuz they did the replay from when i killed you

[@dnfluffles772]

I have always had a hard time hitting props with heat seekers in customs. Maybe they don't generate enough heat🧐

[@seasuper3402]

@@dnfluffles772 theyre terrible at attacking props unless if it's an all-aspect seeker

[@roxminegames_rl6541]

odd remember me i dodged 2 off your rockets i was Mata2011

[@OddBawZ]

@@dnfluffles772 Those are not heat seakers.

[@williammayorga6117]

Man we need to hear the chat

[@domzplayz9732]

@@a_rogue_t26_pershing lol, things got more chaotic when the second challenge began

[@a_rogue_t26_pershing]

@@domzplayz9732 yeah. I only stayed around for the first Tiger vs Abrams game because it was almost 2 am for me.

[@domzplayz9732]

@@a_rogue_t26_pershing lmao it was fucking chaotic when it came to 34 tigers vs 2 abrams

[@caliber_560]

Yea

[@dontclickonmychannel9377]

Yeahh

[@MPdude237]

Interesting. Ussually bombers are easy targets because they are big and slow but here, everyone is big and slow. The advantage the bombers have in turrets does make it more dangerous and is what killed both F-14s here. If we’re were relying solely on fixed guns, the F-14s would have scored more kills.

[@ireallycant4416]

It's a f*cking game

[@justadudepassingby5716]

bruh i got spoiled

[@pandagamer-hg5be]

Also, they didn't equip any phoenix missiles

[@moogcult6492]

@@ireallycant4416 good observation this is indeed a video game

[@ackleackenkaker8508]

Well, the bomber in question was a TU-4, which is technically cheating as it was not a ww2 plane, (first flight in 1947) and is one of the most well defended bombers in game, with 23mm cannons instead of .50 cals. It sits at 8.0 for good reason, and in my opinion, shouldn’t have been allowed.

[@LordMason21]

If I remember correctly back in the early 60s the uk decided to do something similar to this by pitting a late model spitfire against the electric lightning in a series of mock dogfights since at the time they were engaged in a series of skirmishes called the Indonesian confrontation. The Indonesians had a large number of p51 mustangs wich had similar performance to the spitfire. They discovered that piston engined planes make for terrible targets for infra-red homing missiles, especially when fired from behind. To make matters worse the massive speed difference actually worked in the spitfires favor since it made it much harder to accurately hit it. If the electric lightning slowed down to much to try and compensate the spitfires massive maneuverability advantage meant it would almost always win.

[@anttitheinternetguy3213]

Yeah, when i saw The title of this video i knew it was not going to Be anything More than just a slow grind. Piston engine planes And jet fighters dont really mix well, piston engine fights just evade The attacks And its a stalemate. Lower rank Jets vs piston enignr fighters would Be More interesting, P-51's vs Me-262's For example

[@mpetersen6]

My father spent 1943 through 1945 doing an extend vacation in Italy. I never said much but thing ge told me and brothers that one time they watched an artillery observer in a Piper Cub evade getting shot down by a Bf-109. The 109 pilot eventually gave up. Was the story BS? Maybe. Maybe not.

[@drtidrow]

Early IR seekers were nowhere near as good as modern ones - modern Sidewinders are a lot more sensitive.

[@drtidrow]

@@mpetersen6 I don't think it's BS at all - I recall stories out of Korea where the Norks flew some biplanes, doing light ground-attack and strafing, which were really hard for Allied fighters to shoot down due to them being so slow and maneuverable.

[@ovrwrldkiler]

@@drtidrow Theres a video on youtube of a f16 shooting down a bronco propeller attack plane somewhere in south america. The f16 didnt have any ordinance on from what I can tell, so hes trying to use guns. You can see the struggle of the f16 to actually get the bronco lined up for a shot and when he finally gets it, the f16 is going so slow its nearly stalling out.

[@Vonsairsoft]

I think having lower tier jets like Mig 15’s or 17’s vs super props would be pretty cool to see. Maybe 9.7-7.7 jets vs 6.0-5.0 props

[@megahunterkiller]

Your mom would be cool to see LOL

[@Zigmmaaaaarrssss]

Yak-23 and Yak-17's vs a Tomcat

[@cloaker7237]

Hell, that already happens naturally sometimes at the 6-7.0 BR bracket

[@megahunterkiller]

@@cloaker7237 your mom LOL

[@dontclickonmychannel9377]

Yep you’d have to have a few more props tho

[@JadedDark]

I think with more coordination, this would’ve been a cake walk for the F-14s

[@dusfug]

Well he said the WW2 fighters were all in a discord screaming in coordination. So if it were random teams and squads there wouldn’t be that mass level of coordination against the F14s

[@JadedDark]

@@dusfug I'm talking about coordination between the F14s. The WW2 fighters were clearly coordinated. Losing an F14 very early made coordinating against 1 even easier.

[@Gotobar]

@@JadedDark Probably not, really

[@shadow50011]

If the prop planes had flown lower and used more maneuverable planes + bombers with lots of upward facing guns there wouldn't be much the f-14s could do.

[@tangent.arc38618]

they could have just camped high altitude

[@davestir5743]

I would have thought that taking it to a lower elevation would give the WWII planes an edge, so that the F-14 couldn't dive at them from above without risking becoming a lawn dart.

[@shadow50011]

It would have. The props made a mistake flying that high.

[@domzplayz9732]

Damn this was a fun event to join, shame I couldn't do much since those F-14s were too fast lol

[@erickschlueter4139]

what plane were you

[@domzplayz9732]

@@erickschlueter4139 I was one of the P-47's, I was chasing Odd's wingman then eventually Odd himself

[@seasuper3402]

Agree it was super fun

[@itsalmostfun8567]

Damn you were there

[@seasuper3402]

@@itsalmostfun8567 i killed the first f-14 (im the tu-4)

[@Jonathan-bu7iv]

With infinite ammo the tomcats should've just gotten pheonixes, dropped all of them into the swarm from a safe distance and repeated/reloaded. It would've been a massacre

[@roaldosborne7721]

This was pretty cool, but are we going to talk about the 'WWII" plane the TU-4? Totally not cold war at all.

[@cheesesniper473]

Its a literal cut and paste b29. You're splitting hairs.

[@cadenbarnfather1434]

@@cheesesniper473 tbh its a rumor that some Tu-4s had the boeing logo on the rudder pedals copied by mistake

[@alphamaccao5224]

Considering the 'blueprint' was the B29, it's WWII in all but production date.

[@Firewordien]

@@alphamaccao5224 with 23mm auto canons

[@elite-op-asa]

Its first flight was in 1947 but only entered service in 1949, so yeah I have no idea what the hell is he doing there.

[@larryfontenot9018]

The WW2 aircraft didn't use an old air tactic that was used in real life for situations like that. They should have flown a defensive circle, also known as a wheel formation. That's when a group of aircraft all fly in a circle, evenly spaced along it. The idea is that when an opponent tries to pick out one plane from the formation, he puts himself in front of one or more of the others that are following it around. It would have prevented the F-14s from finding targets that were alone. That tactic dates back to the first world war, and has been used ever since because it never stopped working.

[@SomeSpeed]

Can you do a Squadron of Me262 Schwalbe vs a Wave of p51s, love this vs Videos keep up with the work :D

[@mrwaghner3051]

U p

[@wardogleader3200]

Squadron of Me-262 vs Squadron of P-51H, I killed a lot of Me-262 with P-51H, P-51H is actually faster than Me-262

[@thomaskositzki9424]

+1 Me 262 isn't much better than a late P-51.

[@professionalnoob5474]

One fighter could have went above,taking down any bomber that he finds, while the other could have went straight in the ww2 planes, so then the one above could have gone for a dive

[@MidnightSlayz]

Right, so that someone could’ve easily killed him in a head on

[@professionalnoob5474]

@@MidnightSlayz a small price to pay for a cool 5 minute action

[@Nativeat1YT]

If I were one of the F14s I would've just flew threw the thickest cloud of aircraft lol.

[@fiery_pit7279]

Definitely

[@steelhead750]

Death by a thousand cuts

[@Acepilot235]

So in other words you'd die in 30 seconds and it wouldn't be worth making a video out of? Not that it wouldn't be funny lmao 🤣

[@Nativeat1YT]

@@Acepilot235 would be fun tho, and there is a chance you would live bc most of the match we had no clue where the f14s were. just do boom and zoom there would be no way to catch them

[@Acepilot235]

@@Nativeat1YT ye ngl I can't watch all of the challenge videos because I admit I am a fair bit competitive and I'd just get pissed off watching people do things they really shouldn't be doing just for the sake of the video. All the modern jets would slaughter WW2 aircraft, just would take time depending on how many there are. Played correctly an F-14 would kill them all without even being seen.

[@johnathanburke4872]

if smigol was there it would have been over quick lol him and his swordfish

[@DanielSantos-df3tc]

For real

[@Orca19904]

Oh yeah, I've seen this before; "The Final Countdown". USS Nimitz gets sent back in time to just before Pearl Harbor and a pair of Tomcats play cat and mouse with two A6M Zeroes before utterly curbstomping them.

[@monke6915]

Bro keep up the great content I absolutely love it 😀 🙌

[@flameraker6824]

I actually once managed to take out that top tier swedish fighter with a g55s The main advantage is turning circle You can turn much faster in a prop than in a jet Also a yak 15 with cr 32 bis

[@spaceship-dd8fz]

i beated mig 21 with p39

[@flameraker6824]

@@spaceship-dd8fz yeah, thats what i mean

[@amhuman5138]

I can dogfight a Harrier with a CR.32, didn't win much, but once.

[@IceSki117]

That's an impressive variety of WW2 planes.

[@MDDeGrande1994]

What I'd love to see is all those modern jet fighters and interceptors (from 4th to 5th generation, multiple versions and operated by multiple countries, except for Germany, Italy and Japan) going at it against a huge formation of 100 WW2 German fighters, interceptors, flying wings and bombers.

[@ansonarnett7522]

“Odd showing the f14’s great Ability against planes, built by engineers, who didn’t know fully why their planes flew“

[@bushman-2155]

That was wicked,y'all. Gj to everyone on their teamwork. o7

[@salahdhen1958]

what a video mate 10/10 would loveee to see more out of ya

[@eddiemet12]

I don't know if the game factors this in but part of what helps a missile lock onto a plane is the heat generated by frictions as the plane flies through the air. Since the WW2 planes are slower it stands to reason they generate less heat and maybe that was part of why the missiles had a hard time locking on.

[@plasmaxl8626]

Not friction, as it doesn't generate nearly enough heat for a lock. Its just the type of engine that matters, meaning that yes, its harder to lock onto wwII planes bc they don't use jet engines which produce much more heat

[@sickomode7378]

This is what I was waiting for

[@a_rogue_t26_pershing]

5:14 that was me that got exploded. I was one of the only planes that could get up odd's altitude

[@dontclickonmychannel9377]

Sucks, cool to be in the vid tho

[@raymills4218]

Great Vid, Need to get up 1am in the morning to have a go very soon.

[@bitofapickle]

Amazing to see, do more of these! Also, how about ww2 tanks VS Cold War tanks? Oh wait... That already happens at normal BR, carry on!

[@emberfist8347]

And in real life too.

[@lojadorsmp]

This is perfect because I was thinking about taking one of these back to wwii in school today

[@yourmomsawhore.4867]

I had a lot of fun and TY for letting me participate.

[@thezestylime0989]

a bomber formation with fighter escort would be a fun thing to try to take on. 2 tomcats vs a hoard of b17s/lnadcasters/264s/tu4s with age appropriate fighter escort. in this battle the bombers scored both kills, as if everyones slow, might aswell be able to shoot in all directions. so the formation would be funny to watch. formation wins if they bomb the target or kill all enemies and the tomcats win by eliminating the enemy team?

[@masterbaiter0fthebait572]

Think they may have won if they missiled the bombers instead of the fighters.

[@GigB_]

6:36 just like the movies

[@eII_gato]

final countdown

[@ramblingman8992]

The one issue with using air-to-air missiles is that, depending on missile type, they either rely on tracking a heat source, or obtaining a radar lock. Heat seekers are programed to ignore heat sources below a certain temperature range in order to avoid them locking onto low heat source objects such as ground vehicles. Prop planes do not generate a heat signature high enough for a2a missiles to lock on to. Radar lock missiles are programed to ignore anything travelling below a certain speed, so as a prop plane can fly below this speed, those are also useless.

[@Tankdestroyer467]

One of the event I was looking for only to be in school. :( Looks fun though!

[@ChaseIsUnknown]

I'd love to see ME262's or a few ww2 german jet fighters go against a squadron of Spitfires or P51's. Also a recreation of Fury's tiger scene would be awesome

[@thomaskositzki9424]

1 Tiger against 4 Shermy 76's is a sure win for the Tiger everytime in War thunder. Angle hull, jive a bit and just one-shot everyone. The other way around for a single (or even two) 262's against Spits or Mustangs in WT. Speed difference is too small for the 262's to effectively attack without being shot down by hails of 50 cal. First guess I am 100% sure (I would take that challenge any day), second guess only 85%. Someone like DEFYN might pull such a stunt off, but not many others. :)

[@dontclickonmychannel9377]

YES THE TIGER SCENE WOUKD BE SICK

[@dontclickonmychannel9377]

I’d love to see the Battle of Britain, as a Briton myself it would be amazing to see a couple of spitfires/hurricanes going after against Ju 88/87s and bf 109s

[@Gotobar]

@@thomaskositzki9424 Nope. I’ve Hit the commanders hatch on the Tiger and turned the entire turret crew into paste many a time.

[@thomaskositzki9424]

@@Gotobar The "jive a bit"-part is exactly to prevent that. ^^ Those shots tend to get VERY tricky if the Tiger isn't stationary.

[@billycheese2159]

You would not imagine how giddy I got when I heard Oddbawz, doi.

[@Hb10712]

ur such a great content creater

[@noahsawesomevids422]

Amazing work

[@thomaskositzki9424]

Damn good job, Odd. As usual... ^^

[@StoneFuture]

Well done on 30 k subs!!!!!!!! I remember when you were only on 8k!!!!!!

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Thank you!

[@TherealBo4_God863]

When a lions surround by 40 hyenas he know he needs to retreat

[@tyleriehle869]

This looks like so much fun

[@crystalc3173]

Unfair for the F 14 tom cat!

[@nightshadesombra9141]

The easiest way for the WW2 planes to have won was for a Ta154, some series of fockewulf, or bf109K to gain altitude and then fly above in the clouds to coordinate dives on the F14's as in my experience prop planes can catch up with the F14's or any other top tier planes in a dive if the piolet is unaware of you.

[@cristianciobanu4733]

wouldnt work.

[@shadowbonbon3]

This is like a nature documentary, “ a pair of F-14 tomcats find a swarm of propeller planes ready to invade there territory, one of them fires a warning missile into the swarm but non take the warning and the fighting commences. The goal of the Jet powered planes is to pick off the outside members of the swarm while keeping speed and altitude, while the prop planes must stick in formation avoid missiles and use there superior maneuverability to avoid the spray of shots coming from the tomcats. As one of them targets a large bomber they quickly figure out that said bombers are more formidable than they appear. Quickly taking out the first F-14. I can keep going but I don’t have all day

[@_GODSFIGHTER]

I knew the f14s couldn't take them all down in such less amount of time. But still a good amount was shot down and a good video as always

[@schutzanzug4518]

We need more of these videos!

[@fightingfalconfan]

In this situation; it's best not to have missile's at all. Piston engine's don't generate near enough exhaust heat for the seeker to lock on to efficiently. Best tactic in this situation would be to strafe up and down. Escape going up because you have a better rate of climb. This person did a pretty good job

[@protogamer8641]

the moment i saw oddbawz's thing, pure joy

[@robertstevenson4910]

F 14 tomcat: noooo u can’t kill me ur 2 slow! 2 Bombers: haha machine gun go brrr

[@alvernqian487]

Love Thunder, love Oddz. Lovely video.

[@BlueOceanRP337]

The cinematics are amazing

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

You’ll have to let me know what you think of my latest vids:)

[@flakbusjones8192]

this was actually pretty fun, we should do more even tho all i did was be confused and ram a bv238 for fun

[@Riley095]

Those ww2 planes did slightly better than I expected

[@ThelVadam7777]

I would love to see an ME 262 vs like 1.0-3.0 props

[@jakmc77]

We did something like this but it was 3 spitfire IIbs vs 1 jet without AA missiles and we put up a pretty good fight

[@user-cd4bx6uq1y]

This is something not so interesting to watch but interesting to learn what the people were doing

[@apooyosucks]

The Final Countdown sequel looks great

[@averagesnailgodpraiser3840]

Oddbawz the absolute legend was in here 😳 I wish I didn’t have school so I could’ve made it

[@CurseOfZeSnail]

Special appearance by my man Odd. Noice!

[@alpacaofthemountain8760]

This honestly raises the question of how a modern nation would take on a drone swarm similar to this.... the answer, of course, is the Air-2 Genie, an air-to-air unguided nuclear rocket

[@amhuman5138]

Oh hey whats the fuckin' stereotypical ass rocket coming towards the swarm, they think a single missile could stop us? Famous last words

[@Tyrannosaurus_STFU_III]

Has someone done a "Final Countdown" battle yet? USS Nimitz vs the Japanese fleet that attacked Pearl...Great movie.

[@alexthedispleased905]

Dang, I wish I had the chance to show off my jet hunting skills in my little ol p39.

[@roxminegames_rl6541]

Hello that is me from event it was super fun to be in + dodge odd's missile by turning off my engines (I was Mata2011)

[@Chop86]

P-39N is the jet killer.. 37mm cannon is ridiculous. If I need SL I’ll run a 2.7 prop lineup in AB with A4E 9.0 and bank about 70-100k SL per map.

[@Gweeps21]

getting a warthunder ad while watching a warthunder vid while updating warthunder

[@Charliee_Woofy_Pz]

War thunder ception

[@zacklp3844]

It's the final countdown!

[@loginprinter508]

Hey muffin I hope you read this comment. I enjoy your war thunder videos, and I know you moved on from wot blitz. But I'm pretty sure I'm speaking for a lot of people when I say you should continue the movie series where you made a plot on wot somehow. Not sure if you forgot it or not but you left us on a huge cliff hanger for 1 year now. And you did a great job making it, so it also just doesn't settle right with me to just accept that it is dead. Thanks for reading this

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Yeah I unfortunately don’t have plans to come back to blitz

[@loginprinter508]

@@ThunderWithMuffin it's ok man much love but thanks for taking time to at least read my comment.

[@johnsmithfakename8422]

I just want to know what were the F-14A's load-outs. Were they using Radar guided missiles or heat sneaking missiles. With infinite ammo, I think they F-14A's should have stayed out of gun range and used a lot of radar guided missiles.

[@perlasandoval7883]

i am gonna guess it's using ir seekers based on the plane's difficulty at hitting the targets with missiles

[@matthewkurniawan4081]

The final countdown, but the tomcat also back in time in europe too

[@TurpGrain43]

It's the final countdown

[@fleetwaysonic9556]

A pack of sparrows, finding food, meets an apex predator, the eagle

[@TheIndignation]

Seems like the big bombers with heavy defensive armament were the real MVPs. The Tu-4 and BV 238 were the ones scoring those crucial hits.

[@donovanchau3483]

You guys should do a hypothetical WW2 scenario with a few German jets vs a squadron of aircraft from each Allied nation sort of like the Maus scenarios

[@khalifstigler7493]

4:36 Rooster: splash 3 splash 3

[@juluisreyes9094]

Those propeller fighters wont stand even against the warthog

[@fraggo13]

I randomly found this after I did a search for "F16 vs ww2 plane". I was pretty surprised at the outcome, I thought the F14 would win easily.

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Welcome to the channel:)

[@TheMlgFox]

4:33 I got singled out by Odd and almost dodged it, he shredded my tail fin, had to bail lmao.

[@STARKILLER0925]

YES

[@efethecaptain6]

It would be interesting to see modern jet against multiple levels of bomber formations One more, Mixed numbers of F8F-1B, Yak3 and Corsair against a modern jet. No; Zero, bombers, Do335, or twin engines...

[@Miles26545]

Speed and radar missiles are a hell of a drug

[@roxminegames_rl6541]

Muffin why did you not put how I dodged missile by turning off my engine it was legendary 😂

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Oh shoot I missed that

[@roxminegames_rl6541]

@@ThunderWithMuffin xd

[@nekofuhrer]

I had a lot of fun in this event

[@Lando_vv]

I one time killed a SU-22 while it was going like 600 MPH while in a DO-335, It’s not terribly hard to do if the enemy isn’t outmaneuver the hell out of you.

[@mrcoolkidgaming7089]

When engaging on the bv 238, i would have dived down and shot down the bv 238 from below to prevent getting shot, if i was odd 8:41

[@thegrimrealityofficial]

It only takes one. Good video though.

[@arctr00perecho]

Two worlds that came to mind with the video title: “Final Countdown”

[@blizzarderper1086]

yall should do a f-86 vs ww2 bombers

[@iTzskyline1]

Damn I want this jet but the grind tho..

[@Hive-Mind-BBX]

The long range XMAA missiles used by the F14 are notoriously bad at manoeuvring, this can be observed in real life and pretty much every game where they're even slightly accurately depicted. Sidewinders and similar multipurpose missiles that F14's can carry are generally much better in all regards but range and sheer damage capability.

[@limehuzki]

As an engineer, a prop aircraft from WW2 would be superior, for this conflict, all jet aircraft have a minimum firing distance, this makes it increasingly difficult to land a shot against slower aircraft especially with a "hard ceiling" say due to extreme weather which older fighters are designed to fly in reliabily , but this depends greatly on the type of fighter being used, a Corsair pilot would have a way tougher time than say a German shtuka pilot

[@RaptoroftheRiver]

Ivw done custom battles similar to this and there biggest mistake was using there guns against the bombers which can fire in all directions, best to use missiles against the bombers and guns against the fighters.

[@WolffeTheRapper]

Ironic that you release a video about planes today hehe

[@cmeGordy]

When it comes to jets vs ww2 planes. To win as a ww2 fighter you need to force the jet to keep in a turn fight the moment it climbs and dives you are very likely screwed also if they are allowed to extend the jet will likely win because it has a speed advantage.

[@The_derpy_Doggo]

0:13 i was the front bv238 with the red smoke :3

[@kanoxplayer1071]

Imagine WW1 german pilots looking at F14 missiles Lol

[@toofastnobrakes]

Would love to see this but with an F-15EX

[@itsalmostfun8567]

dammn dude OD was carrying the thing

[@Zach-sg5uu]

Now we know we could take out some more advanced aliens if we had enough planes in the air! It would take great sacrifice though! We’d have to build quite a lot of planes!! They would have to lunch the most advanced laser weapons though!!

[@allenliu8820]

Pretty sure the f82 never served in ww2 same with the tu4