Bomber evasive maneuver tactics to avoid FLAK - Deep Dive Review

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[@jameslents8747]

Love this content!! Good thing the Germans hadn't developed proximity fuses!!!

[@davidhoffman6980]

True. However, the proximity fuse only solves the altitude problem. If the bombers' course is unpredictable enough and the shells are aimed at the wrong area then the proximity fuse won't help.

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[@bfberna]

Another additon to a a great series "Flack". You have opened our eyes to something we have taken for granted. The machinations, analysis, strategy and tactics to mitigate risk was a might effort. It is not just flying there is science involved.

[@bf-696]

Would be very interesting to understand why the USAAF recommendations to avoid flak were 180 degrees out from the German perspective.

[@WBtimhawk]

I think at least part of the answer is in the video: allied crews faced a trade off between avoiding flaks and causing their formations to lose its order. When answering, germans probably just answered based on what annoyed them the most.

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[@sciteachgame]

Somewhere on YT there is a training film on how to adjust flight patterns in order to avoid German flak tracking. I remember small movements are not good enough you have to really change up the course to not fly through that flak cube.

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[@Preciouspink]

Happy to see continued videos on this amazing period. Central Pa. Here,with family serving on bombers used during that war. A lot of intellectual types think this type of information ignorant and sophomoric,but I love it. The what if stuff is pretty good too.

[@steveturner3999]

Thanks for this insight.

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Excellent!

[@billw1266]

Just watched on TCM “The Memphis Belle: A Story of a Flying Fortress”, “The Cold Blue”, and “The Cold Blue: The Making of A War Documentary”. Wonderful documentaries about the 8th Air Force’s B-17 missions over Germany. I hadn’t realized how many thousands of missions were flown, and the number of people who never made it back. Get some tissues ready. Powerful and moving.

[@feltwedge]

Great video - thanks for your video. BTW, one of my uncles manned a FLAK battery during the war.

[@UAuaUAuaUA]

This is again another great contribution of this channel. The USAAF learned by using best practice during the war, as did the Germans. What should be mentioned is how a shell that may missed the target can very well destroy another bomber. The bombers did not fly as one point on a map as illustrated, but in formations of aroud 30 aircraft each. Some were to the left or right or high and low. If we look at an attack with 700 bombers, the Flak gunners had ten to fifteen minutes to shot at them, and no surprise got better after a few minutes. Most of the manuals quoted are from late war or in the case of FLAK FACTS even the day after the war ended in Europe. It would be interesting to know how such manuals looked in 1941 or 1943 as well.

[@Milkmans_Son]

Considering the number of fragments produced by each flak round and the speed they are traveling, does anyone else find the "lethal radius" of 13 feet to be an oddly small number?

[@GuardianOz]

I think the lethal radius is for the bomber, not crew(?). Its the flack fragments to ability to destroy the air frame or engines. I think air resistance on a non-aerodynamic tumbling metal piece would be a factor of range too. The crew wore flack jackets too= I wonder what lethal range was for these?

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[@ChiefBridgeFuser]

Wow: 15 seconds to solve for gun position. We take for granted now that that math is about instantaneous.

[@WBtimhawk]

Great content as always. I have got 2 somewhat related topics that I hope will be addressed in the future : ) 1/ did the germans use or attempted to use mobile flak batteries and 2/ did they attempt to introduce auto-loading systems for their 88mm and + guns ?

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Thanks for the war history, excellent channel. BTW, @1:06 why did you substitute the word execute with implement? IMO, all this data came out after the war, but at least we were ready in Korea. (joking)

[@1977Yakko]

How much damage was caused to cities from the flak batteries responsible for defending them? I can't help but wonder if all that falling metal caused damage or casualties. Also, on particularly high loss missions, what was the damage to German structures and potential personnel loses on the ground from crashing aircraft (from both sides)?

[@Spudmuffinz]

In one of his other videos he mentions the Germans developed a flak shell that had finer shrapnel because of this very thing. It lost some of its effectiveness for the sake of not raining large fragments down on buildings or people.

[@1977Yakko]

​@Spudmuffinz interesting. Thanks!

[@MrApontjos]

Can you make a video detailing German efforts to create a proximity fuse? Also I've read across some parts of the internet (few details, and obviously no direct sources) saying that very late during the war it was found that using contact fuses ended up being more effective than timed fuses due to both being mathematically equally as improbable however not having the set a contact fuse allowed for a higher rate of fire, perhaps a detail looking into that, if true, would be fantastic

[@edwardscott3262]

This channel did cover contact fuzes in German AAA. I don't remember the exact video though.

[@s.a.charles271]

3:05 88 mm had a lethal proximity of 13 feet? That’s close! Lethal to the bomber, crew or both?

[@5isalivegaming72]

Picture a 13ft wide cone traveling upwards from the artillery

[@markstott6689]

What I would like to know is whether RAF or USAAF fighter bombers were ever used to attack German flak batteries? 😊❤😊

[@dfirth224]

Yes there were, but not fighter bombers. There was a video about that on this channel just a few days ago. B-24s dropping fragmentation bombs. Hugely successful. They knocked out the flak batteries two hours before the main bomber body arrived. These were volunteer missions with no shortage of volunteers. In the last 6-12 months of the war bombers were equipped with new radar jamming electronics that confused the flak radar. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXXMdHmDmKmcf9E

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@@dfirth224 Thanks. 😀

[@dukecraig2402]

@@dfirth224 There's at least one P47 pilot interviewed here on KZbin that talks about attacking flak batteries ahead of bombers. It's been at least several years since I've watched the interview so don't hold me on this point but it MIGHT have been Charlie Morhle who has several interviews on KZbin (also there's a chance I spelled his last name wrong, if in fact it was him anyway). After D-Day the 9th Air Force P47's were flying mission's from forward bases set up in France and were very much in range to strike some of the defenses of deep penetration targets that the 8th Air Force were hitting flying off of their bases in England, the bombers escorts weren't used for hitting the flak batteries but the 9th's elements were. Also it's been about 2 years since I read "Hell Hawks!: The Untold Story Of The American Fliers Who Savaged Hitler's Wehrmacht", it's about one of the 9th's P47 units, the 365th Fighter Group, and it may have an account of them striking flak batteries ahead of bombers, their threat when doing so wasn't the 88 and 105mm flak guns themselves but the 20mm to 50mm short and medium range defensive guns ringed around them for their defenses.

[@brealistic3542]

I was just thinking that if the allies used radio control glide bombs like we developed later that would have kept them from the flak. THE Germans had something like it.

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