The Black Metal Lore Iceberg

[@wyattxhim]

A few mistakes on my part (not all the mispronunciations) that by all means you have every right to criticize me for them but I’ll admit them here Dissection vocalist didn’t die with the satanic Bible it was instead a satanic grimoire (he hated the satanic Bible) Phya is actually the youngest one man black metal project (forgot to add that) Von is considered the first USBM band because NME is more rooted in thrash and Totem is often forgot about because Profanatica overshadows it Absurd’s members strangled a man to death over a love triangle affair. Sorry that I made this many mistakes as there’s really no excuse for it but hope this clears up some things.

[@cake_9510]

No worries dude, it's okay to make mistakes.

[@philopthetisvonbckling9766]

In an Interview Möbus (the leadsinger of Absurd) said "he just wanted to know how it feels to kill someone". (Just saying) And in my understanding white metal is the christian type of metal in power/thrash style and the kind you mentioned as white metal is Un-Black Metal. (No offence) Btw. Love your stuff

[@wyattxhim]

@@philopthetisvonbckling9766 I think its come to the point that "white metal" is basically any style thats pro-christian it seems.

[@legowars82500]

Escapade To Serenity was started when Mirai, the sole member, was also 13 years old. Some demos were written and recorded within that age, then the band name change happened from Rogue Titan to Escapade To Serenity. Not long after that, the debut album was released. Thought it would be interesting to know another young black metal artist who is also from Asia and may be Korean. The exact location is unknown since the band didn’t give any exact location besides „Asia“, but people speculate it to be from Korea, Japan, Philippines, or Belgium.

[@DAWGITCOUNTYFOREVER]

I cannot find that Phya album, what is it called

[@jacobgamer4245]

The fact that the first level contains a murder and a suicide as the first 2 things said is insane

[@TeusTrollkrans]

;)

[@antonkovalenko364]

Welcome to black metal.😂

[@petko-0969]

get used to it

[@gregoryjones7712]

i mean shits regular in rap lol and that's the mainstream

[@user-lr3yu9st3z]

Not every metal musician is a criminal. But almost every criminal is a metal musician.

[@wyattxhim]

ended up sharing this cause it gave me a good laugh.

[@roryphares6192]

I’m a rap artist

[@craig6381]

Black metal*

[@MiataManDan]

an old fella once said to me heavy metal is for people that want to kill people but don't want to go to jail

[@marcusblackwell2372]

What about Jeffery Dahmer?

[@agnethernstrup2210]

I have a random (perhaps irrelevant) one that I find kind of funny. One of the most iconic reality stars here in Denmark was named Sidney Lee (he passed a few weeks ago sadly), and he was once a contestant on a dating show. When they show clips of what he likes to do in his spare time, he's seen looking at records in a vinyl shop kinda thing. He hold op Burzums anthology album, and as soon as he hold it, once of the women who could've been his potential date clicks a button that shows that she's no longer interested in him lol. it's kinda becoming a meme in the (younger) danish black metal community

[@zejzild]

Hehe, det lyder skægt - det klip må jeg bare se! 😊

[@antonhansen9238]

Åååh rip Sidney 😭😭

[@niconii3012]

Det er legende humor

[@Jarl_egbert]

Varg gjorde intet forkert

[@agentk3388]

@@Jarl_egbert Fact

[@weswatsonsrecedinghairline5304]

I like how you’re slowing turning into a caveman/Neanderthal

[@Bandit7_]

How did bro just show the damn photo of the suicide on KZbin.

[@theoverseer3552]

Calm down pus*y

[@kalzirXYZ]

Trying to avoid seeing it first time seeing it was here

[@ethanmctavish9551]

​@@kalzirXYZrough

[@eumenideia1812]

Necrobutcher (Mayhem): "When I heard Venom in 1982, it was like Motörhead only 10 times rawer. They had the punk element but they also had a death metal edge and that was before death metal even existed. It was the whole package. They are my favorite band of all times and to me they're the only band that can really call themselves black metal."

[@jordanp5283]

A washed up old drummer isn't the voice of black metal

[@AGuyOnTheInternet-jm4rs]

@@jordanp5283necrobutcher is the bassist

[@NeroAngelo616]

@@jordanp5283 Necrobutcher with what hes lived with can be whatever the fuck he wants.

[@aidenbohannon5377]

@@jordanp5283 he plays bass

[@Frysken]

@@jordanp5283 you mean the bassist of one of the most prominent black metal bands of all time??

[@rothbardfreedom]

Another great documentary is "Black Metal's Unexplored Fringes - One Man Metal", where the guys from Leviathan, Striborg, and Xasthur are extensively interviewed.

[@shoresofpatmos]

Striborg guy is so cringe haha

[@lewisb85]

@@shoresofpatmos Scott conner hates that documentary as well because it focuses on the negative parts of his life, focusing on him being unemployed (which he was at the time- between jobs but they tried to make out as long term unemployed) etc

[@Mordekai1]

Thats Vice trash

[@CliveWarren69]

Seen that before man that leviathan guy is pretty cool but the other guys look like early world of warcraft players lmfao

[@zacharydixon9432]

Jeff Whitehead is a cool dude from what I've seen but man the dry and casual way he was able to point out "that was the room I attempted to end my life" was fucking harsh

[@ElectriCobra]

awesome vid, a few others I’d throw in: - Seeds of Iblis and the controversy around that whole “Iraqi” black metal circle - Vothana guy destroying unshipped demos because it got leaked to the internet - the “yellow goat” Bathory story - Dagon from Inquisition’s… controversies - Blake Judd from Nachtmystium scamming fans

[@wyattxhim]

oh wow wouldn't expect to see someone bring up Seeds of Iblis I actually did a video about them a few months back

[@blackcrust330]

I saw Blake run away from a traveling crustie in Chicago one summer lolol

[@mauzer1769]

Vothana lmao

[@TurboImperator]

@@wyattxhim Al Namrood?

[@Tempestuous_Might]

Wasn't Seeds of Iblis strictly a creation of the Krab Klaw? Funny how popular Vothana has become over the last couple of years. When I was listening to him half a decade ago, it was hard to find anybody who gave a shit.

[@babula1965]

whenever I hear someone say "Mayhem lore is so insane" I just laugh. Oh you sweet sweet spring chickens, you have no idea how batshit it really does get sometimes

[@Tikus_90]

The Mayhem events are now pretty much like a Goosebumps episode on Nickelodeon, where everybody has seen it. XD

[@HailWoden18]

We get down, down here. We know how to have a "good time"😂

[@babula1965]

@@HailWoden18 Honestly something that could have gone on here is Blake Judd and the nurmerous schemes he got up to trying to get heroine money

[@HailWoden18]

@@babula1965 Yo, my name Blake. Fuck outta here😂 though i get your reference, found it funny though😂

[@Tempestuous_Might]

Still a classic tale. Would make a good Greek Tragedy.

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodUnclePete]

From an old Metal head at nearly 50 years old. You have a strong grasp of this genre. I remember when Black Metal was in it's infancy stage. Great video on this great genre. Just subbed to your channel.

[@lvnhdmnn]

About Sarcófago's lyrics 16:58, the lines actually make grammatical sense in Portuguese when translated directly, gotta remember all the members at the time were like 16 years old angry kids that barely had any linguistics knowledge lol. Guess they didn't have much more than a couple dictionaries they got from their school or something, still they made a banger like I.N.R.I. and are to this day remembered as one of the big four 1st wave black metal bands, every Brazilian metalhead is proud about this shit Also, I knew you had to talk about B.S.o.D. on the lowest level lol, you should make a whole video on Grausamkeit and other projects from him, guy's insane and I love it

[@lauraaaaaaaaa209]

Os caras zoando sem ter uma backstory, Wagner baseadissimo!!

[@wyattxhim]

@@lauraaaaaaaaa209 I’m not making fun … it’s something that people almost embrace with open arms cause of the savagery of the broken English. Y’all need to chill sometimes

[@andyzuleta5344]

I hate their name but they’re influence can’t be denied ! Straight raw shit,also Brazil gave us Mystifer.

[@v.watson4179]

Orgulho nacional

[@lauraaaaaaaaa209]

@@wyattxhim I’m not mad lmao, just saying how some ppl were making fun of it, and how Wagner is a amazing person/intelligent af

[@TheTundraTerror]

Venom walked so that Bathory could run.

[@spencergrady5501]

And Michael Jackson moonwalked all over them...

[@TheTundraTerror]

​@@spencergrady5501 I get the feeling you're a watcher of a certain monochromatic KZbinr who wears aviators.

[@lewisb85]

And amebix put the full package together before quothorn. It was actually fenriz in discussion with the late U.K. metal journalist Malcolm Dome who mentioned about them being the third option.

[@spencergrady5501]

@@TheTundraTerror haha, I know who you mean - he's alight...

[@kodryxx4223]

​@@spencergrady5501what?

[@EveryFairyDies]

I wish you hadn't shown Dead's post-mortem photo. Given this is a lore iceberg, I'm sure you know the history of it all, and maybe you ran across the Helvete documentary where Per's little brother, Anders, said “those who continue to post the picture online have lost respect for what it really shows. They see the Dead icon and he’s dead. What I see is something completely different. I see my big brother and his tragic end. I see all his suffering in one picture.” But thank you for the video; I learned a few things I didn't know before, and I have no doubt I'll be falling down a few new Black Metal rabbit holes today, which seems a perfect way to spend Christmas Eve! Merry Metal Christmas to all!!

[@desanctisapostata]

He probably does not care

[@EveryFairyDies]

@@desanctisapostata His family does. As do his friends.

[@desanctisapostata]

@@EveryFairyDies Im talking about the creator of the video

[@EveryFairyDies]

@@desanctisapostata Oh, sorry. I misunderstood. Yeah, clearly he doesn't give a damn. Which is sad.

[@Isus24-s8e]

@@EveryFairyDies I remember Necrobutcher saying in an interview that after concerts ''fans'' would approach him, so he will sign up their shirts with Pelle's suicide photo on them. He was clearly so upset and pissed. I cannot imagine being so dumb and disrespectful, it's like they forget that it was a real person with obviously some major mental problems, ending life in such a tragic way. It must be terrible for Necro and Pelle's family to go through this crap all over again for so many years. They cannot wipe that messed up photo from their mind.

[@jonnydavies3909]

Such an underrated channel. Found out about so many dope bands through your videos. Thank you for what you do man

[@trs5127]

I actually think Dead's suicide is more hair raising than Euronymous's murder. The mental health struggles of his pretty young self and his suicide note and stuff. Very dark. Edit: ohh wait you addressed it. I thought you skipped it when you moved on to Venom and Bathary. Great video. I live in a country so far removed from metal culture, let alone Black Metal culture, complimenting the fact that I'm more into the modern, kind of atmospheric and Blackgaze stuff, that anything after tier one is extremely new to me.

[@vlpvlp5841]

You've gotten some mistakes regarding Gorgoroth case in Poland. The legal process was not on charges of animal cruelty, but on a controversial Polish law of 'Offending religious feelings'. The charges were not formulated against the band (it was decided that members of Gorgoroth did not know the law, so shouldn't be held guilty; or maybe the real reason was that the prosecutors didn't feel like going into international legal battle against some musicians from Norway), but against the concert organizer, Tomasz Dziubiński (passed away in 2010), owner of record label/concert agency Metal Mind Production. He was fined 10 000 PLN (about 3000$ at the time, 4 times the average monthly wage in Poland) + legal costs, there were also additional charges on lack of permission for organization of a concert with this size of an audience. The venue was the studio of Cracow local TV and the one who brought the case to the prosecutors was the director of this TV. The whole conservative public opinion in Poland was outraged with the concert and thanks to the outrage a lot of Polish teenagers (including 15 year old me) got to know about the band and black metal genre, as typical in that case the exact opposite of what conservatives were after, lol. Soon after I've gotten a few records from Gorgoroth. Also, based on the same law, Nergal from Behemoth is charged with "offense of religious feelings" for tearing apart the Bible during one of his concerts in Poland (legal battle has been going for quite some years between varoius courts instances).

[@wyattxhim]

Ah well I read in some reports that it was from what I said regarding the animal cruelty . Considering how convoluted information is with this stuff I don’t doubt that I’m wrong in some ways with that case.

[@error4159]

10:03 Be killed by cold weather has to be how all black metal musicians want to die

[@xgoatxcoffeex]

jef whitehead being on the front of a nintendo game is an honorable mention lmao, great vid man!! enjoying these icebergs

[@triledink]

If you buy a modern copy of Abruptum's Evil genius, the booklet contains writing from IT. He talks about alot of the early times of the band and rumours such as the self harm while recording (he doesn't say its fake or real) and one funny thing is that the first copies of the albums contained a personal letter with a razor blade asking you to commit ''Su1cide''

[@lildominator2953]

Wouldn't that be illegal to sell? You're selling something telling people to kill themselves and giving them a tool to do so.

[@triledink]

@@lildominator2953 Yes it would be illegal, but thats the thing with publishing in small companies such as euronymous own label (Deathlike silence), Blooddawn production and such is that they don't really care, and most of the early black metal recordings were self published meaning that the band themselves produced it and sold it.

[@RetrogamerTim]

Actually have evil genius in the collection. Yes it came with a razor blade. Limited to 666 copies. "Grimmmmmmm"

[@triledink]

@@RetrogamerTim Thats sick, and really rare.

[@RetrogamerTim]

@Black Metal Is Adorable bought it back in the day from a record store in Melbourne called "extreme aggression" . I guess it was our version of Helvete shop in Australia 🤣🤣🤣

[@xenos_n.]

Amebix is great. I love that dark crust punky feel with guitar strings that sound like there's zero tension on them.

[@dozer0382]

Love these icebergs. I've been trying to get into black metal for years, didn't happen until your first iceberg video. I was hoping for a second, not disappointed

[@McBryce0]

Not a huge fan of Black Metal as a genre, but a couple buddies of mine were into Black Metal stuff. I've always loved the art from the bands. Very cool design on the shirt you are wearing in video too.

[@daphne1065]

20:36 ''Which again I find absolutely sickening, but at the same time fucking gnarly.'' - every black metal fan ever.

[@Beeza2996]

Good iceberg video! 600/666 since you didn’t mention the best black metal music video ever made: Immortal’s “Call of the Wintermoon”. That video is simultaneously funny, ridiculous and epic, while the song itself has all the hallmarks of traditional 2nd-wave Black Metal 🤘

[@LordOfNihil]

lost opportunity.

[@redacted000]

damn didnt even give a warning about deads body just popping up on screen 💀

[@VastChoirs]

filosefem is like super peaceful introspective thoughtful music, not exactly the most aggressive stuff. Feels weird to be the sound track to pain olympics...

[@nicholaslichtenberger4802]

That’s why it’s funny

[@NeroAngelo616]

Definitely the one classic out of the bunch that gains more retrospective and growth as you try it out over a long period of time. For me my mind was finally blown apart from it 10 years after initial listen. This is likely because of unserstanding and liking everything that its foundation had inspired to be reunited with it's forebearer.

[@Tempestuous_Might]

@@NeroAngelo616 HLTO was the best in this regard

[@NeroAngelo616]

@@Tempestuous_Might with these two it's splitting hairs as both did so much for individual genres and their foundation as album songwriting went. More similariites with albums to that of Hvis but Filosofem's sound is perfection.

[@apollyon_616]

Correction, Jon wasn't holding the Satanic bible, he was holding Liber Azerate, a grimoire that was based on the cult he was a part of

[@deathmetalpokemon]

Love these videos man! Keep up the good work.

[@morbidcorpse5954]

Xasthur's lore is the most interesting. He literally secluded himself from people and made black metal from his home.

[@gadpivs]

Trve hikkikomori black metal

[@HrKCA]

wow that is very unique lmao

[@kalebtheloser616]

Dudes scream sounds disturbing straight from he's shattered soul

[@itsukizy]

damn apparently i’m really interesting

[@misanthropiclowlife]

So basically 70% of black metal projects with one guy.

[@ghostcat11]

one thing i have to say is that like half of all musicians die in either really sad or really strange ways it's not like "he died in his sleep from natural causes" or "he died from cancer" it's always "he froose to death on a mountain"

[@magusking9215]

I can't refrain from recommending to anyone who hasn't heard this album to check out Havukruunu - "Uinuos Syomein Sota" ( 2020 ) which came out in 2020. They're from Finland and, specifically captured in this album, they have a Black Metal sound but completed with choirs, epic Guitar solos, thunderous drumming throughout and eerie soundscapes here and there.

[@VastChoirs]

That blasphemy story is awesome haha. It so fits the theme of their hyperchaotic music too.

[@ansaryesmukhanov8271]

Egor Letov, leader of Grazhdanskaya Oborona, was once a co-leader of original russian nazbol party, alongside with Dugin and Limonov. Also there are some punk bands connected to nazbol, like Banda Chetyrekh

[@ConvincingPeople]

The history of the National Bolshevik Party is utterly bizarre but makes way more sense when you realise what it was a reaction to, namely the collapse of the USSR and the rise of the modern oligarchy. The NBP were this really chaotic alliance of extremely disparate groups united in their disdain for the sudden introduction of unregulated capitalism to Russia and vaguely nationalistic or hawkish leanings, but otherwise were completely at odds with one another, with the artsy edgelord leftists like Letov and Limunov (who themselves were very different men) eventually falling out quite spectacularly with the mystic Stalinazis like Dugin. Unfortunately for, well, everyone, Dugin's the one who's still alive and still very influential.

[@patrickbertlein4626]

@@ConvincingPeople This is something I want to know more about, especially as a Death in June fan.

[@NauseatingArsedestroyer]

@@ConvincingPeople quite interesting. anywhere else i could read about this? i've only read the article published in libcom "Red-Brown" alliances and how fascists and nazis tried to co-opt leftist aesthetics and ideology to draw in more members.

[@danielmenjivar793]

I always thought NSBM stood for Nasty Sexy Boyz Metal.

[@andretyroneii941]

I wish it would...

[@Thatoneretardwithaaccount]

No Sour Bananas Metal obviously

[@ryanleroux1037]

Quorthon always denied that venom was an influence, which is hilarious. He ended up doing the same thing with Manowar some years later.. tons of stolen riffs, lyric lines, promo pictures, etc.. and denied all of it lol

[@arcwiz]

Exactly Blood on Ice is my favorite manowar album not made by manowar

[@ryanleroux1037]

Agreed. Under appreciated album right there

[@adr.marius5636]

Inspiration is not exactly stealing, you know? Venom sound a lot like Motorhead in their turn, actually Venom sound a lot more like Motorhead than Bathory sounds like Venom. And manowar is a terrible band, if anything Quorthon made them an honour, if he was indeed inspried by that trash

[@paveantelic7876]

couldnt have he been inspired by hellhammer instead?

[@rothbardfreedom]

Quorthon actually said that the only metal band he knew before Bathory was Motorhead. No Black Sabbath, Venom, Maiden... BS statement, for sure.

[@moraatrain]

Hell yeah was waiting for Silencer. They left a lasting impression with the lore and their sound when me and my friend were looking for more and more black metal stuff as teenagers. Good stuff.

[@nno6646]

I swear everyone of our generation got into like Sterbend and Silencer (and the whole Silencer mythos) at the exact same time independent of each other.

[@doctorspiderface8020]

New sub genre idea, Centrist black metal

[@TheosophicalMusings]

I could see the Dark Brandon memers making a band in that category.

[@screechingmoths]

Idk how you’re able to show REAL gore (the Mayhem album cover) but this is still up so good job

[@masterfrank7607]

Youngest Black metal musician was 14/15? When I was 14, I thought most metal was just random/complicated noises that most people somehow enjoyed. Lol!!

[@eumenideia1812]

Magus (Necromantia): "At the time no one played like Venom. They are the ones who started everything. They took Motörhead’s sound and made it heavier and more black. But they are the ones that defined the genre. Cronos is a big influence for me. I had his poster in my room as a teen. When I finally met Cronos - even though they had some crazy requirements when they visited Athens for a gig - he was a very cool guy backstage. They didn’t ruin the image I have created for them.”

[@suzycreamcheese4084]

Necromantia is so good, I got their first two albums.

[@eumenideia1812]

Jon Nödtveidt (Dissection): "I don’t think the black metal bands of today have the same standard as the early bands. Where is the originality and innovation and feeling? All the bands today are looking exactly the same and are sounding exactly the same. When black metal was a new thing all the bands sounded different. Venom was the first. They had their own style. Then we had Bathory, but faster and with rawer vocals. Then we had Mercyful Fate who were very melodic and so on. Bands had their own identity which I miss today.”

[@Nekrist666]

Yeah, except that none of those bands are Black Metal lol.

[@loseraaa1259]

They are lol

[@Igor369]

The more music is created the higher likelihood of encountering different bands/songs that sound extremely similar, it is just mathematics.

[@zacharydixon9432]

Hm, I feel the opposite and can say the same of death metal too. I feel new envelopes are always being pushed, new styles being woven. From modern raw bm like Mork to lovely atmoblack like Falls of Rauros. It always takes a little digging.

[@HrKCA]

old guy whining

[@guitargod7843]

A lot of the things that go around about Nattramn aren't true, it's medically impossible to replace your hands with pig feet for instance. If you look close enough in the photo used in this video, underneath the tape you can see a slight outline of his hands holding the pig feet. To add to that, the thing you said about him trying to axe a 5 year old girl when in reality his brother was the one who attempted this. Nattramn was certainly a messed up person, he did harm himself during the recording of Death, Pierce Me to get a more agonized effect on his vocals, and he did a lot of self-mutilation, but some of these things are just made up.

[@skade245]

I find myself almost always agreeing with you which is cool, you seem very down to earth.. Or maybe I'm just biased regarding what "down to earth" means... Also Niklas Kvarforth started shining at 12 years old.

[@wyattxhim]

arguable yes Niklas started earlier than Phya by a year of age but Phya released music a year younger than Niklas still you are correct when it comes to youngest starting it

[@Tempestuous_Might]

He stills acts like he's 12 so I don't see why he shouldn't get it.

[@ConvincingPeople]

@@Tempestuous_Might …I wasn't going to say it, but I'm glad someone did.

[@gigachad2162]

dawn of the black hearts album cover being on yt is crazy

[@xerodelacroix5552]

The argument about Venom or Bathory is hilarious because the answer is actually Hellhammer.

[@5500somerandomdude]

I always saw it like this, Venom is the primordial ooze, Mercyful Fate is the fish, King Diamond is the first animal to walk on two legs, Bathory is the first monkeys, and Hellhammer is man.

[@barbarianblood2316]

Grausamkeit/B.S.o.D. Is the best. Great episode man🤘

[@lewisb85]

The late uk metal journalist Malcom dome as well as uk punk writer Ian Glasper and Fenriz have all associated Amebix with the 1st wave black metal sound, I can get it the influences of black sabbath, motorhead and hawkwind (like venom and bathory) but also its the dark post punk influence of killing joke and joy division which gives it the darkness associated with black metal, Also the occult lyrics (uk pagan/crowley influenced as opposed to satanic) all the elements are there.

[@g-man4744]

Amebix and Venom were in contact with each other, a story goes that Amebix sent demos to Venom and they replied that the music was so good that they would rip them off! Punk is crucial to black metal anyways, all 1st wave black metal can be retraced back to punk (Hellhammer>Discharge - Bathory>GBH - Sarcofago>Crude SS/Terveet Kadett, ...).

[@lewisb85]

@@g-man4744 Also check out the "no sanctuary" and "winter" eps that came out in 1983, they sound like crust punk meets black metal. Just as gnarly as anything venom was doing!

[@tomedwards6208]

Crazy to see joy division in the same paragraph as black metal.

[@lewisb85]

JD were an influence on early napalm death as well!

[@tomedwards6208]

@@lewisb85 yeah, it's crazy. I have always loved joy division, and the impact they have had on all types of music is incredible.

[@zer0delete]

Glad to see you finally bring up BSoD! He is my absolute favorite. I saw someone in the comments ask about if you listen to Wagner Odegard, if you don’t, you should hear him. Two mad geniuses.

[@kingink7964]

i hate how rabm has gotten the reputation of just being a bunch of blackened crust bands and thats it. like i get it, theres a bunch of bands that do that, and there are many bands that have members who are in some way involved in the punk community, but theres so much more than just crust bands. theres tons of atmospheric, raw, symphonic, folk, etc. bands that are rabm. and hell, this even goes for nsbm. nsbm (to my knowledge) is often more raw, but just like with rabm, thats not all it is. people have gotta stop attributing a specific sound to political categories. black metal is black metal, the politics dont necessarily mean its gonna sound like this or that

[@Tempestuous_Might]

Dem racist riffs be hitting the hardest tho

[@Grapesoda-is7ti]

Are you planning on doing a "Death Metal lore iceberg" and "Grindcore lore iceberg" next?

[@plazma7778]

i see you everywhere on extreme music related stuff lol

[@Grapesoda-is7ti]

@@plazma7778 So do I

[@t.k.mcneil1186]

Four things you got wrong: 1. Varg is the only man in Burzum not the ‘frontman.’ 2. Gorgoroth had sheep heads, not headless sheep in Poland. 3. They were prosecuted in the Poland because of that nations insane ‘blasphemy’ laws. 4. Mexico is in North America, which is why they are a signatory of the North American Free-Trade Agreement.

[@SuperNesmaster]

Sorry but technically, Mexico is considered Central America

[@AST-erisked]

Mexico is North america. Northern america is USA and Canada.

[@josmafer4133]

Surprised you didn't include abruptum's controversy regarding them mutilating themselves during the recordings, or them being called by euronymous the "truest" black metal band

[@fatmanpez]

Your take on Venom versus Bathory is one of the best I've heard and I can agree, but how do you compare Celtic Frost's Morbid Tales to the two debut albums? I think Quorthon's vocal styles stick out the most as black metal but Celtic Frost's guitars and drums are also pretty closely rooted to early black metal as well early on.

[@The0mnivore]

Celtic frost's Morbid Tales and To mega therion are huge influence on Darkthrone and Obituary alike. Arguably more influential than any other 1st wave band sonically

[@bottledsoup239]

sorry if someone else made a comment about this or you already knew / covered it in a video before, but i’m a huge fan of andreas bettinger’s work and never get the chance to really talk about it or him as a person. he was born in 1980, which would have meant he started making music at 14 ( don’t remember his first ever project, but i remember it releasing in 1994. ) and the first heroin makes happy record released in 1998 or 1999 meaning he was only 18 or 19 when he really started to develop an addiction to heroin. with his project grausamkeit, he did two split records with his wife blod besvimelse / sandra-melse bettinger. she died in 2013, but there’s never been an official statement on how or why she passed away although it’s heavily speculated it was an overdose. obviously i wasn’t there, but looking at photos of them together they seemed extremely happy and both looked very young. it’s hard to find interviews of them, at least for me. honestly his story and legacy as a musician just saddens me, apparently he’s no longer in prison though and still makes music but i’m pretty sure he still does heroin.

[@lakeside1168]

MY MAN WYATT ITS BEEN SO FUCKING LONG MAN Since I was last watching your videos I was delving with you while you were exploring many death metal, grindcore and stuff with death with it. When you got into black metal I was kinda lost because I didnt know how to listen to such relaxing yet murderous and henious music. Like Im already a mental fuckery on the daily, but Leviathan Tenth level of Suicide and Swarth by Portal just fucking consumed me and I found it very unhealthy to be consumed by such music. Also real quick Anaal Nathrakh is fucking great, its hard to put into words really. I cant get behind all of black metal but I still really liked Scar Tissue from Leviathan and Anaal Nathrakh, so you could say i pussed out but I simply have my tastes. Honestly this community and style drove me to be more empathic towards other music genres frequently. Not sure why but I kinda like everything in different flavors and tones cuz who isnt down for industrial blackened grindcore. After high school, where i had laughed at the emo kids with motionless in white shirts with my btbam anaal nathrakh shirts, I was in a factory listening to Bring me the Horizon, which i could feel and understand years later. But they are still like bad but good in a way, primarily bad lol. Tastes change idk Also yall should look up Trivium, all of their music is remarkable in my eyes kzbin.info/www/bejne/poquf6BqprJ9isU Also have some random badass Hardcore kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIClZHyPd8h9e6c Hope you are doing well in life and have the best day you can Wyatt :) no homo

[@eumenideia1812]

Frost (Satyricon/1349): "Black Metal as a genre was created by Venom and given a name when they released their second album "Black Metal" in 1982. Still I'd say the starting point was in 1981, with their first album "Welcome to Hell". Venom was the first band to deliberately and convincingly create dark atmospheres in metal, and they also did their metal harder, rawer and dirtier than any band before them. That pretty much defined the frames of Black Metal."

[@ashzciwobuz1277]

With the obtained enslavement and BM being formulaic I always point them to Ved Buens Ende - Written in Waters

[@putridabomination]

Was relistening to that album earlier today, great album definitely agree.

[@Tempestuous_Might]

Obtained Enslavement was anything but formulaic

[@johngavin1175]

Ved Buens Ende has reunited, I'm hoping they put out something soon.

[@zlodrim9284]

@@johngavin1175 They will, they just said they have to make sure it's worthy of the name before they do so.

[@johngavin1175]

@@zlodrim9284 sounds good to me. I know their countrymates Red Harvest have been reunited since 2015 or so, and have yet to release anything. Maybe they have a similar mindset?

[@patrickbertlein4626]

That Ungfell album's pretty sick! The whole Venom/Bathory debate is easy; would the term black metal exist without Venom? Obviously, no, that is exactly where the name comes from, no ones debating this. Would the sound of black metal exist without Venom? Yes. Would it exist without Bathory? Well of course no one band makes a genre, but was there a band more influential to the actual sound? Nope. Okay maybe not so simple but you get what I am saying. Giger was more than a fan, he was best friends with Tom who works in his museum and I think might even run it? The book you are referring to regarding Jon is not the Satanic Bible, honestly that group would have a laugh about all that. But yes his suicide was directly related to the MLO. He was also part of a gang called Wolven something or the other, that was mostly S. American thugs who ran off to Norway. The guy involved with the murder was a member as well. Speaking of cults, the Sol Evil dude is probably part of the Order of Nine Angels, at least he is using the symbol, who is generally agreed upon to be Nazis (saw you mentioned them later). NME came before Von. A number of members of Emperor and Enslaved were between the ages of 13 and 15, pretty sure there was another dude who was 12 when he got involved in all that. That's the funniest thing about the genre, it really was started by a bunch of kids. On the Bethlehem subject, check out Stahlmantel, one of Bartsch side projects with Nihilist from In Memorium. Also one of the original singers Marco Kehren went on to form Deionychus, whose latest ode to acts of murder... is easily the top of the list for underappreciated albums. One of the guys from Absurd runs World Terror Committee. The Horna/Peste Noire connection could be part of it (which we all know is ridiculously ironic considering who else was in the band), but Shatraug did have a straight NS project who I'm not going to name here. Interesting thoughts about Amebix, although GBH and Discharge are more of an influence. Got to go through some of your other videos and see if you mention Stallagh or Arckanum. One is the definition of insanity, the other is the strongest occult black metal there is.

[@lewisb85]

You know david myatt (founder of the ona) is British right? The Amebix argument comes from the late British metal journalist Malcom dome in discussion with fenriz, they commented on how because of their crust punk meets post punk sound Amebix had the "atmosphere" of black metal before any of the so called BM bands were doing it.

[@patrickbertlein4626]

@@lewisb85 You're half-right, no one really knows who started ONA, but I was confusing it for Temple of Set, my bad. I get the Amebix argument and well aware Fenriz is a huge crust punk fan. I've just seen GBH and Discharge name dropped more often than Amebix. I think the argument we can both agree on is that crust punk was a bigger influence on black metal than most want to realize.

[@questionsfrog1918]

I would go as far as saying that the Guy from Arckanum was kinda insane,too. Hanging out in the woods for 6 months, carving your own staff and doing magik rituals deep in said woods isn't exactly "mentally stable" but boy did he deliver on the "Trulen '94 Demo" That record is pure chaos,raw and grim

[@javi5810]

Darkthrones Transilvanian hunger is also a very good example of black metal having diversity and not all being the same

[@SlyHikari03]

The funny stories are my favorite part. Wish you could do a video on Stoner/doom Metal. Showing the tiers and showing how far the rabbit hole goes. I love the 3rd tier. Same for the alphabetical thing. And the batushka thing. This genre is crazy. Ps. I know about the pain olympics thing. First “living like a zombie” and now filosifem.

[@namebrandmason]

I feel I should point out that "Panzerfaust," the album Darkthrone released a year after "Transilvanian Hunger" had a sticker on it that said "Darkthrone is not a Nazi band." Both Fenriz and Nocturno Culto have spent the last twenty years saying (to paraphrase) "Yeah, we were nineteen, sorry about that." Also: Faust would like to make it clear he DIDN'T murder Magne Adreassen because Andreassen was gay, he murdered him because he was "fascinated by serial killers." Which is. . . better? I don't know. He's not a homophobe, though.

[@nno6646]

Yeah like Faust is a murderer but it was a crime of opportunity. He wasn't like "Oh a gay dude" it was "Oh, a dude (who happens to be at a gay cruising spot)". That's like saying Absurd is an "anti-15 year old boy" band or that Varg is guitaristphobic.

[@Bagofnowt]

@@nno6646 to be fair, Varg is everythingphobic so it wouldn't be too far out for him to be guitaristphobic

[@terencecunningham]

That's a relief I was so close to getting rid of my Darkthrone shirt

[@dame9187]

@@terencecunningham you can’t really find a black metal band without finding out that they killed people

[@mindphaser90]

​@@terencecunninghamcringe. you should g3t rid of it anyway.

[@dirtydan8039]

yoo wyatt there’s this up and coming band called Portrayal of Guilt, they’re a really weird mixture of black metal, hardcore with some really good atmosphere i think you should really check them out i think you’d enjoy them

[@geraintwd]

Taking part in the Pain Olympics sounds like a great way to earn a Darwin Award.

[@tsargoyle]

Great informative and fun video. One thing though; it would be a massive help (im sure not just for me) if you could annotate the band name as you read it out as some of them are impossible to understand and obviously super difficult to read.

[@legowars82500]

On the note of Pyha being a project started by the youngest black metal musician, there's also Escapade To Serenity (speculated to be from South Korea as well or Japan, since the band did not give any exact location besides "Asia"). Escapade To Serenity was started when Mirai, the sole member, was 13 years old, wrote and recorded some songs/demos within that period, then released the debut album at 17 years old. Thought it would be interesting to know another young black metal artist who is also from Asia and may be Korean.

[@delvismallory6184]

Holy fuck, I listened a track from the Ungfell album in 2019 I believe, but forgot to save the entire album for later and couldn’t find the band for 3 years lol. Amazing vinyl collection thank you!

[@_Lux_Ex_Tenebris]

Money left on the table by not including the unintentionally ridiculous.. Abbath and the crabwalk, random wardrobe malfunctions live, Euronymous' half-shirts or cross eyed picture staring at his sword, Dead with the 'I heart Transylvania' gear.. Maybe that's another video..

[@Abasedbymygrief]

A few bonus ones 1. Czarci Swit - nothing particularly crazy about this band other than them being noticeably terrible 2. The Rhinocervs "label" - basically a label ran by these 2 people who would frequently collab or just release individual material under, without any album or artist name, really only being distinguished by number. Imo best release in the Rhinocervs catalog is RH-07 3. Al-Namrood - Black metal band from Saudi Arabia 4. Genuinely surprised Damaar didn't make it on, their story is pretty interesting stuff 5. The Inquisition vocalist.... all I'll say

[@sillylittlemonkey7130]

al namrood are one of the best bm bands out there

[@Abasedbymygrief]

@@sillylittlemonkey7130 I wouldn't go as far to say one of thr best but they are certainly great

[@WingMyWay]

czarcy swit is the trvest kvlt possible is all.

[@A_Bowl_Cut]

I liked Inquisition's music so much until I found out about the vocalist. I don't know if I wanna still listen to them anymore

[@matiasbenitez980]

In conclusion in regards to Blasphemy: they're just "Too Metal" for them North American dweebs.

[@patrickbertlein4626]

Don't think they are "too metal" at all, just not that interesting. Just sounds like you're trying too hard dude.

[@matiasbenitez980]

@@patrickbertlein4626 Too cool for school, I see

[@jackinbarmitchlanmcmartac45]

Niklas Kvarforth started Shining when he was 13, also one of the youngest BM musicians

[@hvitekristesdod]

Love Swartadaupuz, been discovering a ton of his material lately. Never knew he was almost strangled lol. And they still work together. Heartwarming! Someone should do a tier list or ranking for all of Swarta’s releases… that would be an insane deep dive

[@hvitekristesdod]

Surprised Kanwulf from Nargaroth didn’t come up on this list anywhere

[@goneonholidaybymistake84]

Great video. Would you consider doing a video on how the Lords of Chaos book is inaccurate/disputed? I feel like a lot of people shit on the book, but don’t back it up with any analysis. I have no doubt you’d do a really good job of it.

[@EvilXelaaa]

Underrated request. I agree that he would do a great job making that video

[@LunaBones]

If I remember correctly one of the issues with it was they printed the image of Dead's suicide within in the book. Despite requests from his family and Necrobutcher to remove it the image remains in publication.

[@datstick8284]

The thing is Absurd is the first NSBM Band but at that time they didnt carry any political message in the Band. Today they are full into it.

[@JohnSmith-dk3kn]

He’s not dead. He has he newest version of absurd as his own

[@datstick8284]

@@JohnSmith-dk3kn fck you are right, i got something mixed up.

[@datstick8284]

@@JohnSmith-dk3kn i just read into it and the first Show they after Hendrik got back again into the band. The first Show they did was in Kiew.

[@Afgrundsvisioner]

There are two bands using the name Absurd, one is Hendrik’s project the other is his brother Wolf, Unhold and Gelal/Pogrom. The later released a great EP last year called Grabgesang, you can clearly hear Gelal’s signature guitar works combined with black metal era Absurd. As for Hendrik’s band, I still didn’t get the chance to listen to the album he released a couple of weeks ago.

[@SammyxSweetheart.02]

Black metal lore iceberg by Wyattxhim (June 6, 2022) Crimes= 5:55 6:12 7:02 9:28. 17:11 Metal Archives= 15:20. 20:23 22:15 Silencer= 22:56 23:07 NSBM= 26:20. 26:46 Hendrik Mobus27:15. Norwegian Aryan BM27:30 27:48. 28:46 B.S.O.D.= 31:48 32:00. Order of the 9 Angles= 32:31. K.F.R= 35:50. Amebix= 36:55

[@chad30078]

Thank you for being my bedtime storyteller❤

[@MinecraftRick]

Sol Evil's album art including the Order of Nine Angles sigil just makes it even more hilarious

[@lunamortuus]

i purchased a few of maxime's artwork from him and ended up trading letters for a while, he signs the with a large "m" written in his own blood. he's a great guy and very intelligent, at least pertaining to black metal. also he's good friends with mey'nach of mutiilation!

[@ceciliaroa6877]

Hes really cool and a big inspiration for my art too, I had a few words with him on Facebook back in 2018 and he is super nice lol

[@M2TrD]

me eating my waffles video: no warrning of the dead suicide picture me: vomits every were

[@adamadeptus3686]

Obtained Enslavement's Witchcraft is my favourite black metal album of all time. I'm so glad you brought it up. 🤘

[@AgainstTheeWickedlyMusic]

This was very entertaining, I'm always impressed at the level of obscure information you can find about these genres. A lot of the things in the later tiers just made me laugh. There's only two things I was surprised not to hear, 1. The controversy around Wrest from Leviathan (sort of child's play compared to most of this list, though, yikes), and 2. Mikko Aspa, for just about everything in the book. That said, you've had a lot of coverage for Deathspell and Mikko, so I 100% understand not tackling that again

[@eumenideia1812]

Attila Csihar (Mayhem/Tormentor): "I discovered Venom and that was the first kick in my balls to go for extreme metal. I looked for more and more extreme [music] and then, of course, Venom’s "Black Metal" hit me in the face. That was the thing. I remember I went to the record store one day and asked - 'What´s the most extreme thing here, I have this hardcore music already'. And one guy was like 'Okay, give him the Venom record', and he put it on and within ten seconds I was spellbound. I loved it."

[@lewisb85]

You know Jeff Dunn plays trance music in scooter right?

[@AngermanskLaere]

My favourite B.S.o.D. fact is that his dog Arko was credited with guest vocals on the Corneus album Teufelschmand.

[@deinfreundmax]

Love the Ungfell album casually chilling in the background. This is gonna be good

[@blackcrust330]

What about lifelover, mikko aspa (and mgla by extension), and the lore behind bands like sadistik execution, endless dismal moan, and bizarro fash Vril? It's a gimmicky genre.

[@ConvincingPeople]

All of these are extremely good. Indian/Sri Lankan war metal and the shady side of the Australian scene also seem applicable here.

[@Svvithred]

EDM. Utter madness and essential for any self-respecting BM fanatic.

[@eumenideia1812]

Euronymous (Mayhem): "Venom was our first and major influence, later Bathory, Hellhammer, Sodom and Destruction. Venom and the other ancient ones have been fundamental influences on Mayhem, and also the direct reason for the band's existence. We like to think that if they hadn't started this up, we would have, but who knows? It doesn't really matter anyway, we hail ancient Venom as the creators.”

[@lewisb85]

One guy from one band, I don't buy the hype of euro to be honest, there were other bands completely independent of him doing stuff elsewhere in the world early sepultura, sarcofago for instance the Brazilians were heavily into the ukhc scene and amebix.

[@eumenideia1812]

@@lewisb85 Igor Cavalera (Sepultura): “After we got acquainted with Venom, we stopped listening to Iron Maiden and all that lighter stuff.”

[@eumenideia1812]

@@lewisb85 Wagner Lamounier (Sarcofago): "In the beginning we were influenced by that black metal wave. We were influenced by Venom."

[@lewisb85]

@@eumenideia1812 And in sure if they were asked about someone else they would quote other things, I don't take interviews seriously for that reason. I get it you're trying to prove a narrative but hey im open to discussion.

[@norwegianblackkvlt4384]

Hell yeah, its currently morning here, got my coffee and ready to take a deep dive to the bottom on the iceberg 😁

[@jedwalker4543]

I thought it was pretty well known that most black Metal musicians take inspiration from classical music. However I had never heard of the album you mentioned in tier 2. Thanks!

[@D1777YB0T]

Controversy I used to be controversial they made me join a band a metal band a black metal band and black metal makes controversy

[@gui4816]

The first ever black metal recording was sodom's demo witching metal from 1982. Listen to it for yourselfes

[@broski1387]

Always loving these Iceberg videos of yours man .

[@tardoautunno]

Thank you for feeding my black metal hyperfixation. Love this video

[@bandenwesen]

Thanks for that. Didn't know many of those. One thing is hilarious to me, though. B.S.o.D. of Grausamkeit? Seems to live like less than 20 miles away from me. Sweet.

[@michaelmacvittie6977]

Ah yes, Lucifer Valentine… Great video, I actually didn’t know the bit about HR Giger. People in this scene are more willing to talk edgy over cool, so Silencer gets mentioned first.

[@s_addamwalczak]

The sword and katana in the background greatly add to your credibility

[@jukeman9291]

I'd like to add that Amebix's LP No Sanctuary came out in '83, and it's even more raw than Arise!.

[@Moritz19081980]

I love "Dictius Te Necare" since I bought it in 96. Still listen to it. Actually surprised Bethlehem are known outside of Germany or at all these days. Regarding the lyrics: I am German and I can tell you that most of the lyrics LITERALLY make no sense at all. It's like the thoughts of a crazy person who lost touch to reality. That's part of the appeal. Two "fun facts" I heard back in the days (I am not sure if true though): 1. The title of the album is wrong. It should be "Dicitus Te Necare". 2. The vocalist of the album once stated that the lyrics are basically what came to him when he was on heroin.

[@blvndr]

Dictius Te Necare ist DAS BESTE ALBUM ALLER ZEITEN. Rainers Schreire sind wahnsinnig. Ihre Demos sind auch super gut

[@blvndr]

ich glaube auch „Dictius Te Necare” ist eine Erinnerung an die Opfer von Selbstmord? Soweit mich erinnern kann

[@G61204]

Do not show and spread the Dead suicide photo, please.

[@Ner0mancer]

It's great though

[@obviouslyurnotagolfer148]

Holy shit! I just have gotten into Black Metal, literally it's like my 3rd day listening to whatever I can find on KZbin. But, what got me into the music was a short documentary on the Burzum killing. So yes, I started out on my very first day of listening to black metal with the intro to that controversy!

[@pierrelev5248]

As a Frenchman I would never have believed that the genius of Fadades was known internationally lol