WYNNS LOCKSMITHS - ABLOY PROTEC 2: The Ultimate Locking Solution

[@trinityproj3ct]

Great looking trailer. When’s the movie coming out?

[@chesshooligan1282]

Six minutes of marketing waffle was enough for me. You would have to pay me a lot of money to go through an hour of it.

[@TheNdoki]

I like how they use terms like "nearly" and "unlikely" like even they know nothing is completely pick-proof.

[@shujin7024]

+Ndoki Hasaki because nothing is and if you say it is, it sound likes a challenge

[@TheNdoki]

shu jin Exactly, although I've seen a lot claim to be, usually with a link to a video of someone doing just that.

[@User-nu6km]

they've got to cover their asses

[@Henrix1998]

With enough time, any lock key can be recreated

[@pexster1988]

Maybe funniest part of Abloy is that it is one of the best locks in the world but where it's used everywhere? Well ofcourse in Finland which is one of the safest countries in the world. :D We love our Ab Lukko Oy and even our post boxes have Abloys. :D

[@felixmak4727]

One heck of a presentation, very phenomenal 💥😃👍💥

[@ShaMana999]

It very well may be one of the hardest locks to pick but in the end, it can be picked.

[@tomgn8412]

I want LPL´s input on this...

[@arsipaani]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmfMfqB5iMaseLM

[@pablovi77]

He actually can’t pick it, yet.

[@blyatimusmaximus6936]

He can’t do it but there is actually a video of a guy picking it kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6SqamOLfLeHptk

[@fakecubed]

He probably could pick it fairly easily, if he had the right tool. Same with any lock. I only know of a few people who have ever manufactured a suitable tool to do it. LPL has said he's not that great at manufacturing tools, although he has made some in the past. Soon as somebody is willing to put detailed plans online or sell the tool, I'm sure he'll do it.

[@sandwichmaker1289]

I remember my school locker back in the day had an abloy lock

[@TheGeezzer]

No doubt the Abloy Protec2 key can be duplicated, anything can be, nothing is infallible, but what a headache in doing it. Some fine macro-engineering is called for on more than 2 axis. This is going to be a time consuming and costly exercise...and then its got to work perfectly like an original if it is out even by 0.1mm then it will fail. We are talking about real pros to do the job and to do it right. I have an Abloy Protec2 and believe me I'm not in the least concerned about exploits as they are exceedingly rare!

[@joelolcek4078]

What cylinder brand would you recommend using on a front home of a flat?

[@samiam9059]

Pretty ingenious clearly looking outside the bun.

[@AJMansfield1]

That ball bearing would provide absolutely no protection against key duplication - just have a hole there and manipulate the ball thing with a pick. All it does is make legitimate keys more expensive.

[@b3at2]

I want to see somebody cut an unauthorized abloy key hahah i doubt it will work.

[@NoctisMotus]

Key duplication has been achieved already. Actually, it is possible to modify a blank and add the ball bearing element. Even so, these are great locks and worth every dollar.

[@PanicGiraffe]

"HIGHLIGHTER"

[@TheFacelessTwo]

Some mobile operators (in Europe at least) love to lock their containers, equipment rooms and cabinets with Abloys. I'd tell you how many of them I had to change because they failed, but I don't have enough numbers on my keyboard. The electronic ones would sometimes fail 1 minute after installing. At that point you could have 50 different keys, wiggle them until eternity's end, reprogram into oblivion, and would end up having to drill through the MF cylinder anyway. And you better have plenty of top quality drill bits and half a day of time, because they're made out of the hardest matter known to man. So yeah, super secure. So much in fact, that it'll keep even the legimiate owner of the lock out.

[@Kanakotka]

Considering virtually every finnish home has abloy locks, and the entire nation doesn't have the issue you claim, you are either full of it, or at fault.

[@elavke5441]

So no bumping? How about the lock picking guns?

[@pineconey]

Not the standard kind. A rotary lock is too different from a pin tumbler lock.

[@fakecubed]

Bumping is for spring-based pin locks. There'e no springs in a disc lock, and nothing to bump.

[@jwrm22]

For my curiosity where comes the "1.97 billion key combinations" come from? For I understand this type of key has 10 positions with 6 possible cuts. 6^10 equals 60.466.176 or 60,4 million.

[@joonastalvinen]

Well what I found with math is that 7^11 would fit it. And with some googling I found this from one of their PDF "There are Protec systems which contain nine discs or eleven discs."

[@tarehjernetarehjerne4082]

Hi, you can see on the key it will have a small "name" engraved on it, not the side that says pat. the most common is 7Z, which is the one picked on YT. Essentially the disc controller has a small profile on it which fits with the profile in the middle of the key. You then have 9 discs that correspond to the key with 6 positions times the amout of key profiles possible. Only abloy is allowed to make the key codes which means none will ever be the same, if they ever run out they just make a new type of key and disc controller profile, even though they will never sell enough of them to have that ever happen.

[@stefanf922]

You could possibly get a 9 or 8 position lock as well,

[@irkiIIer]

he attacc he protec

[@stevef.m.2188]

Thanks

[@pas7680]

alas the these are unpick able, but a swift hit with a hammer and a bolt destroys them every time.

[@presistancelydeccer7338]

+pas7680 HowToBasic know how to break them.

[@Easy8_]

You might be interested in knowing that now, 3 years later, this lock was picked.

[@josemiguelmaciascamarena5684]

De hecho con un desarmador plano lo logras creo que es más cara su imagen , su combinación y su apertura con Una herramienta profesional que con un simple desmadrador

[@VicariousReality7]

Why are these so god damn hard to find

[@PointyTailofSatan]

+VicariousReality7 They used one to lock the warehouse, and misplaced the key.

[@VicariousReality7]

+PointyTailofSatan ...heheh

[@hermanni563]

VicariousReality7 these are literally everywhere in finland, mght be cause this is a finnish company

[@insane_troll]

That's part of the security. If you can't find it you can't pick it.

[@kaylerick]

Nice Spiderman like music!

[@stevencox75]

but i just watched a video you can knock the guts out of these locks with a bolt and hammer no picking needed because its all held in with a thin piece of copper

[@0xbaadf00d]

+stevencox75 Link please

[@downstream0114]

+stevencox75 Except that design was over a decade old.

[@Itapirkanmaa2]

+stevencox75 It says on that clip that only some 1985-7 vintage Abloy locks can be broken that way.

[@gavinbryant9699]

+Itapirkanmaa2 I've popped 5 in the last year they are easy with the bolt and hammer

[@0xbaadf00d]

I asked a locksmith about this. He said that these locks are primarily used for lockers and that the ones installed on doors cannot be opened this way. He gave a good explanation as to why.

[@Chris153758]

Sooooo....., just drill it then?

[@Lissica1]

+Cryptopolis You can buy a milling cutter which is designed to open those in about 1 minute^^ and its pickable too!

[@b3at2]

abloy protec2 is not pickable. yes a drill can destroy anylock.. given enough time.

[@Sombody123]

I hope you brought a bucket of drill parts, because it's going to wear out a whole lot of them against the anti-drill bits. With a portable drill, you'll just run out of batteries and it might take an hour or two to get through just the rotating plate protection. Your mind would be begging "PLEASE, just break the damn DOOR instead!!"

[@64akon]

no they are made of hardened steel with ball bearings inside the keyways so it's undrillable

[@64akon]

+JRLM you don't know what you talking about Abloy is unpickable since 1907 and

[@garysnape266]

the lock my be hard to break but the door it all so on the can be weak. the is always a weak point in every thing in the world.

[@Tavor57]

maube I'm missing something here, but wouldn't you just be able to bypass everything but the innermost disc and the balls at the entrance? Which would make it ridicolously easy to pick with standard equipment.

[@tonydraht]

+Tavor57 They just showed one disk "in action" but all of them have to be in right order. I found that confusing too.

[@abelmorales5473]

Pero en español, en Bogotá no se habla, si no español

[@vorkev1]

I think you can pick it with a modified disc pick you just have to file the end of the pick thin enuff to trun each disc wile adding enuff pressure to turn couse the side bar to act as a feeler

[@calebbatts2780]

You can't randomly lockpick an Abloy lock, but you can Exploit it's cheap copper retaining ring as Bosnian Bill clearly showed in one of his videos

[@b3at2]

that doesnt work on current abloy protec2 locks. especially when installed in a door with no clearance with a cam screwed in.

[@noahlee4168]

LPL would like to speak to the manager

[@TheAzynder]

As much respect I have for the mans skill, I haven't even seen him open an exec or sento yet, let alone the Protec2. I have seen 2 videos of it being picked, both have some issues, not saying they did not, but the videos have flaws.

[@pablovi77]

He said this is one of the locks he can’t pick, yet.

[@fakecubed]

@@TheAzynder There's a third video out that I've seen that doesn't have the issues you're referring to. He shows the tool and technique. Very credible. I'm inclined to believe that the other two who did it are credible simply by their reputations, although it is very annoying that they would not show off their tools. Security through obscurity is pretty dumb and we should all be benefiting from the knowledge and experience the community develops as a whole, and force lockmakers to do better through embarrassment. Everyone relying on locks to keep bad guys out needs a wake-up call too; penetration testers routinely show that locks are usually not the weakest link in security, and that unearned confidence in locks is only hurting people. Computer security does not suffer from this kind of shortsightedness. Exploits are exposed and everyone is forced to do better. The incompetent companies don't stick around so long. Anyway, LPL has never been a master toolmaker. He is capable of some basic stuff, and no one should doubt his skills at using tools if he has tools, but he just doesn't have the necessary tool to pick these locks. Hopefully soon.

[@Smelmadingdong]

emil henriksson, well im tommy henriksson...

[@adelarsen9776]

+Tommy Henriksson Are you related to the great man ? And where do you live ?

[@Smelmadingdong]

+Ade Larsen finland

[@adelarsen9776]

Tommy Henriksson Are you related to Emil the founder of Abloy ?

[@Smelmadingdong]

i dont know, maybe?

[@astraalimatkustaja923]

propably not, Henriksson is one of the most common surnames in Finland

[@acehobojoe]

I like the xmen music

[@Bulldog2824]

Music was ripped from spider-man

[@gavinbryant9699]

bolt and lump hammer got me past this lock in 5 seconds

[@z84c00]

nice ;-) kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5mXZ3lprMpkY68

[@Friend_of_the_One-Eyed_Ladies]

Not much actual information.

[@idkidk4334]

Too bad it's expensive tho lol

[@Noksus]

idk idk and now you know why master locks are cheap

[@cintulator2]

In fact a master locksmith could pick any lock in four hours.

[@ImperatorClass]

cintu lator Pretty sure noone has ever managed to pick a protec2 yet

[@iain3713]

Dedrik Moser Matt Smith or Huxleypig has

[@TheAzynder]

@@iain3713 Too bad he is a better picker than a video maker, I could make a fake video that would look identical. Which lead to a lot of drama on the channel, lot of which he could have avoided with so little. I think the pick has hit the market and costs a fair bit and still can't pick my locks, this is not to downplay the achievement in anyway.

[@GtfoTyvm]

i just watch a terrible security infomercial.... about locking offices.... please fire who ever made this, your target audience wouldn't care they would probably use w/e came with the doors when they bought/leased the building...

[@adelarsen9776]

Just a pity Assa Abloy is a money hungry bunch of accountants.

[@PythonDev1566]

No picking needed, just use a hammer and a bolt: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqXGaX-AnqeohcU

[@Friend_of_the_One-Eyed_Ladies]

Didn't learn a thing. Thumbs down.

[@jeseniahernandez8795]

Idiot the abloy protec2 is the best lock

[@TheRWS96]

forever lock is beter

[@kevincrossland1898]

+TheRWS96 better to be bumped or what?

[@TheRWS96]

no i mean there is "totally" no possibility to enter a lock pick into the lock so in my opinion it seems better

[@kevincrossland1898]

+TheRWS96 yeah, but picking isnt the only way to bypass a lock

[@TheRWS96]

um we are just talking about the lock itself right? i am not really that versed in locks so i don’t really know what kind of techniques there are but it seems to me that the forever lock is VERY strong. just a question you did look up "Forever lock" right so you know what i am talking about?

[@johnlapage599]

+TheRWS96 The forever lock is really susceptible to impressioning attacks. It's actually a pretty shoddy lock, inside a very secure housing. They could easily redesign it to have a better mechanism at the centre, but really it's also got some functionality costs to it. It's a nice toy and all, and it probably will deter most criminals.

[@jeseniahernandez8795]

medeco is better it unpuckable

[@iain3713]

It really isn’t unpickable, there are way more people who can pick medecos compared to the 10 or so people who can pick a protec 2

[@fakecubed]

LOL, no. Medeco is routinely picked at this point. Protec2 will be routinely picked soon as well, certainly before their patent expires, and there are other exploits besides picking that are often easier.