X4 Foundations: Argon fleet vs xenon

Hello everybody,
This time I take my argon fleet for a test in xenon core sector.
Flak extravaganza and no uber ships :D
Fleet composition:
1 Colossus + 40 torpedo Eclipse (2 bolt + 2 torpedo launchers), anti-capital bomber wing
1 Colossus + 40 bolt Eclipse, interceptor wing
10 Behemoths on defend
1 Aux ship + 20 torpedo Cerberus (anti-capital protection for the aux ship) + 20 flak Minotaur (anti S/M ships protection for the aux ship)

[@Raddosseuss]

Good to know im not the only one that camp gates hahah, I usually put 1 carrier full fighters and 5 or 8 destroyers (usually a mix) at 15 or 10km away of the gate, when a enemy fleet came out it looks awesome 😎

[@ragnos28]

This was more like an incursion in xenon space, but I do keep fleets in strategic locations, usualy choke points were my traders are likely to be atack by xenon. I find fleets a more flexible means to keep the xenon in check, that the permanent solution of defence stations. That way, if I want more xenon wreaking havoc in the factions sectors, I just pull my fleets away and release the flood gates, which is far easier that deconstructing/reconstructing a defence station. Plus, I check those fleets from time to time and, like you said, when an enemy fleet appear...presto, combat fun with the xenon w/o having to go stroling through their sectors...is like pizza delivery, xenon style 😄

[@rocky258258]

all hail flak turrets

[@adamofblastworks1517]

0:43 "Pee" Woah, that's a bold statement.

[@ragnos28]

😅

[@averymackey2966]

I have a limit on s and m ships as well as overall fleets depending on how many sectors I own. Each fleet must also have its own shipyard

[@mattmantrell5708]

Each fleet must have its own shipyard? Why?

[@65stang98]

i swear my ships hardly ever fight off their torpedoes for some reason. Is there something i need to turn on to make them use them more frequently?

[@ragnos28]

Don't know what to tell you, I just splap them and ship them. The torp launchers are secondary weapons, but I think that is default.

[@trlavalley9909]

I believe if you add a mass driver to their load out, so they have another long range weapon they are more likely to fire their Torpedo's with the mass driver. But if there is an Loadout using only Argon tech that works, I'm not aware of that, but as a returning player, there is a lot I need to catch up on, so I might just be ignorant.

[@HallyVee]

You really have to select entire battle groups? Isn't the point of battle groups to issue one order for X number of ships?

[@ragnos28]

If you mean to double click the group leader and thus select all, I often find myself misclicking, and I say screw it and select all with shift. If you mean to just give orders to group leaders, ships in X4 are notorious for not staying close to their group leaders, so I'm better off to just give orders to the entire wing, that way they will atack at the same time.

[@efxnews4776]

Unless you add some ships from mods, the Argon fleet sucks. Theres nothing worse than pay millions of bucks for buckets like colossus, then see them blow apart as soon you enter in combat, the only good vanilla ship is definitely the Asgard (actually, DLC ship), even tough you should be very careful to not be taken by surprise by xenon Also the vanilla game was very unbalanced, the lack of battle ships, the unbelievable shields and hull of the xenon compared with other ships... In my opinion, the xenon should be nerfed, they are way too OP, and sometimes i suspect that their AI is the only one that actually works properly. What should be done is making xenon more numerous with faster production rate, and also give them battle ships.

[@zeyugao4283]

all the non-carrier capital ships sucks including xenon and asgard, when a K swarmed by 40 mk1 pulse laser pulsars(with mk1 all other equipmet except mk2 sheild), it will die quickly and can take down at most 5-6 pulsar. when against 8 pulsar with torpedo it die before fire, when against 8 heavy swarm missile pulsar it can take down 2-3 of them but that is. I can take down 5-8 out of 40 mk2 plasma pulsar, or 2-3 blast mortar pulsar. it also instant die to 16 torpedo pulsar without being able to shoot or shooting down one or two heavy swarm missile pulsar. asgard is doing in between K and I. the only time capital ship is useful is to taking down xenon station, other than that for the same resources missile fighter>>cheap swarm fighter>>elite fighter>>xenon capital ship>= terran capital ship >> commonwealth capital ship= medium ships. the capital ship don't have any chance against fighter even if they are all equiped with pulse laser. that is if you are not using gladius

[@ragnos28]

@@zeyugao4283 Yeah...in X4 carriers are queens of the fleet battlefield, when provided with the fighters/bombers complement. They only suck when ppl try to use carriers like a destroyer...a feat that only a full plasma Raptor can pull of.

[@ragnos28]

I use the Argon fleet because it sucks :P I enjoy the challenge of taking out on xenons with non uber DLC ships :) While one shot xenon I with the Asgard can be fun, it got boring really fast... the same with anihilating xenon core sectors just with a Raptor and 100 Chimera complement...I don't want to play X4 at "Gaming Journalist Difficulty", all the time :D The xenon are OP and their AI actually works, because the AI in X4 favors the short range weapons and screw over the ships with long range weapons, so the xenon have the right idea, lot of short range dmg, while our destroyers and M ships, despite having long range weapons, can't help but to hug the xenon capitals. Imo, main batteries on destroyers were a mistake, because the AI is incapable to use that asset.

[@kvjbreaker7054]

Why would the devs intentionally make mostly bad ships for their game? Is it to challenge players, or is it to because they just make bad ships?

[@janetsminten8196]

​@@kvjbreaker7054 Most people have been spoiled by RTS games and don't know how to use proper fleet tactics or even what each ship does.