The Importance of Cloud and Tifa's Relationship

[@mardigrauglitter4697]

Tifa is like the wife who tells her husband slipping into dementia that he doesn't even have to worry about the things he forgets because she's got him. She's got Cloud no matter what.

[@lolgurl141]

Omgggg so true 🥺💗

[@airisheart]

I think Claudia was referring to this when she told Cloud that he should find a girl to help him stay out of trouble, someone who knew how to control him if he tried to do something stupid, Tifa is the perfect type for Cloud according to his mother's words too.

[@SortofFriendlySM]

@@airisheartyea she was definitely talking about Tifa, because in Advent children she calls Cloud out for running away and being scared of failure.

[@resetbutton7982]

I felt this because my father has Alzheimer’s and my mother won’t correct him on his memory. She allows him to remember what he can and if he gets something wrong she just helps him instead of correcting him. It’s really how you’re supposed to handle people with memory loss. The worst thing to do is to confront them about it. The mind is fragile

[@ardee_chan]

​@@resetbutton7982I agree with you. Confronting them make them more confuse.

[@Andrewweiland4509]

Cloud and Tifa deserve a happy ending together in part 3 after Cloud’s mind gets restored and after they defeat Sephiroth.

[@nickmurkel2469]

I agree, but they'll need to solidify it by subsequently fixing Advent Children. I know the way they did things was because of censorship, but if you're adopting kids and not even sleeping in the same bed, you're more like a brother sister thing than a couple.

[@kylewilson2819]

@@nickmurkel2469 Which would especially problematic since the canonical Gold Saucer scene has them KISS!

[@nickmurkel2469]

@@kylewilson2819 I agree, if square enix are going to commit to making AC Canon, then they are obligating themselves to fix it. No more separate beds are adopting kids, they need their own kids and to share a bed.

[@kylewilson2819]

@@nickmurkel2469 Yep. The one big regret over AC was the censoring of Cloud and Tifa's relationship.

[@nickmurkel2469]

@@kylewilson2819 it's by far the most obvious and biggest problem, but hardly the only one.

[@ryanredd4552]

In the way I read the Gongaga scene, Tifa was telling Cloud that she never needed him to join SOLDIER because he was already a hero, which is so freaking sweet.

[@Step43099]

No matter what he may have thought about himself; to her he is a hero down to his very core

[@nickmurkel2469]

She didn't say that, but she almost certainly will in the LifeStream chapter of the next game.

[@Mukation]

@@nickmurkel2469 No that is exactly what she means, she calls him a hero for trying to save her when she was 8. She didn't remember it (in OG she did, but in the remake they retconned it so she doesn't remember) but after experiencing it in the Lifestream she realised that he had stayed and tried to save her, when everyone else ran. All of her supposed "best" friends abandoned her but not Cloud. He even bore the blame when the kids pinned it on him, he didn't even bother trying to defend himself he just took the blame, because otherwise the blame would have landed on Tifa, for putting herself in a position that got both her and Cloud hurt.

[@nickmurkel2469]

@@Mukation I mean fair enough. It will likely be revisited in part 3, as part of the whole pudding Cloud's mind back together thing. Either way we pretty much agree.

[@S_Blitz]

@@ChoompaLoompa1985-uw8lw lol sounds like a clerith 😂

[@ipeachyoumyluv]

Their dynamic is so obvious and I think the devs made an excellent job showing it through body language and eye contact, esp Cloud's gaze at Tifa.

[@christopherarauz3880]

The way the game treats Cloud and Tifa’s relationship made me think: Ok yeah this is the canon.

[@solgaleooflight8703]

You could say the same for cloud x aerith actually

[@Malsypoo]

@@solgaleooflight8703 don't take the bait anyone :)

[@Temperance_XVII]

@@solgaleooflight8703aerith is dead so no

[@AgntFL]

@@solgaleooflight8703you really can’t, because cloud NEVER shows any romantic interest in Aerith despite her constantly hanging all over him and calling anytime they’re alone a date

[@Mukation]

@@solgaleooflight8703 Honestly no. Not after Rebirth. I've always held two as equals, since the devs have deliberatly kept Clouds true feelings for either of them quite grey (yes he loves them, but is he _in_ love with them is what's been grey). I've replayed Rebirth several times now. If you skip all optional sidequests and ignore all optional dialouges, in the base, main line story Aerith gets alot of character growth, but "Clerith" doesn't. They never show the two growing beyond the initial bond they devoloped in Remake from Clouds perspective. The two have virtually no scenes together that soley deals with them and _their_ "situationship". The only one is in the church at the end, a scene that is dependant on a HA/LA system and were Cloud does not engage in the conversation of "them" with her at all in neither of the versions. Aeriths scenes deals with her accepting that she is as a Cetra, her fate of having a stolen childhood by Shinra and her dealing with the grief and loss of Zack. Her trial in the temple is dealing with her moms death. That's it. Tifa and Cloud on the other hand gets imensely many non-optional main quest scenes about _their_ feelings sprinkled throughout the entire story from start to finish. Scenes which are not at all under the HA/LA system. * In Kalm, Sephiroth makes Cloud pick a fight with her which upsets her. In junon, as Cloud is on his way to her to apologise, she is seen also on her way to look for _him_ to do the same. And as the make up, _Cloud_ is the one who shows initiative to commit to their relationship by telling her that they will find time to talk, "figure things out, just the *two* of us". * In Gongaga, the moment Cloud thinks he's killed Tifa he screams her name in pain and reverts back to his comatose state Zack dragged him around in and only snaps out of it when Barret tells him she's still alive. In the lifestream Tifa gets to see her past with Cloud and we get to see how important Cloud is to *her*. And when she wakes up in bed, they have a heartfelt conversation about **_them_** and Cloud opens up to her and only *her* about his mental issues and the scene ends with the *both* of them leaning in for a kiss that Yuffie and Cait Sith interupted. And all throughout the Temple of the ancients sequence, the only one who takes notice and shows concern for Clouds personality shift and well being is Tifa. She is the only one noticing that there he is acting weird. Like, i'm sorry but while Aerith is the Heroine of the game Rebirth, she isn't the Heroine of Cloud Strife, that honor goes to Tifa. The devs have doubled down on Tifa and Clouds commitment to eachother and it shows in the main story and the setup for a "Clerith" canon has been killed. And with all the facts above ask yourself...... Why is Zack part of this trilogy? Aeriths lost love, the guy she's spent 5 years waiting for, still wearing pink (like he asked her to), still wearing the ribbon he gave her, the guy who's sole purpose and desire is to reunite with her? A task he has already failed once in Crisis Core..... Is he back just to fail again? Ignore ships and personal opinions and just ask yourself, thematically, how does the story in Rebirth play out? What does the story in Rebirth set up? I've always been a "neither is canon" guy before Rebirth, but the devs are setting the stage for the resolution of the love triangle and it's going to be the the kids from Nibelheim and Aerith will reunite with her lost love.

[@Queen3210]

It's also rather telling that Sephiroth is trying to sever this particular bond.

[@liammcnicholas918]

Sephiroth is the biggest Cloti hater (but he secretly ships them shhhh)

[@lockh4rt97]

@@liammcnicholas918bro is literally the best wingman 😂

[@mohammadalhusaini810]

@@liammcnicholas918and bro is unintentionally bringing them closer to each other💀

[@Mauldrom]

He tries to kill Aerith as well

[@Queen3210]

@Mauldrom did he whisper to Cloud that Aerith was a liar, trying to manipulate him into not trusting her/killing her throughout the entire game? Or did he just try to make him kill her once before he (jenovaroth) did it himself? Because while trying to get him to kill Aerith is one thing, the effort he put into trying to put distance between Cloud and the one person who has been consistently keeping him from losing his mind (re: Tifa) is different.

[@GordonCid]

Hey just came back here to say I’m sorry that the salty part of the FFVII fandom is going after you. You don’t deserve that behavior over your own video. Hope you keep pumping out the great content and don’t let those people get to you.

[@GordonCid]

Cloud’s love for Tifa was why FFVII happens. It’s not even bias, it’s a fact. He tried to join SOLDIER to be someone special to Tifa. And if he didn’t hear Tifa’s voice at the train station, he would’ve never regained consciousness. Tifa is the most important character to Cloud.

[@wmen48]

There isn't such a thing as THE most important - Tifareth the sephiroth from kabbalah is the symbol here. It's inspiration was elaborated many times on yt. Sephiroth and Hojo take away his humanity, Zack gives him a goal, Tifa anchors his being, Aerith unlocks his humanity, the rest of the group give him a family. From the concept it was always a group thing and a story of life and death. There's a reason that at the end of og Cloud only thinks of Aerith and the promised land.

[@TonyKanameKuran]

@@wmen48 The problem is that they're comrades.

[@wmen48]

@@TonyKanameKuran at the end all are the same energy, creation of something new

[@TonyKanameKuran]

@@wmen48 Sure sure...

[@wmen48]

@@TonyKanameKuran aahh you're one of those. Than sorry that Aerith cockblocked Tifa because she has game and for such a short time gave him a better romance.

[@liammcnicholas918]

I can’t wait to see what they’ll do for the “Under the Highwind” scene. I would love the idea of Cloud and Tifa saying “I love you” TOGETHER (symbolizing how far they’ve come and the importance of their relationship).

[@liammcnicholas918]

The song reminds me of With or Without You by U2, which coincidentally reminds me of Cloud and Tifa.

[@skymaiden16]

Kingdom Hearts 2 even said Sephiroth is Cloud's darkness and Tifa is his light

[@BlazeFiresoul]

BASED. BASED KINGDOM HEARTS COMMENT!

[@Silverfish-qv8ig]

Isn't Cloud looking for Aerith in that game?

[@HeySayIcha]

@@Silverfish-qv8igHe’s looking for Sephiroth. It’s in the game. Cloud says it loud and clear. Moreover, Cloud talks to Aerith before going to find what he is looking for. So, how does Cloud look for Aerith when he knows very well where she is? I encourage you to play the game or watch the clip on youtube. Not just listen to Clerith’s lies and headcanons.

[@Silverfish-qv8ig]

@@HeySayIcha It was a question, not a statement. Stop being such a hormonal CloTi!

[@imilkynote]

Here to also show the support, since the actual nasty side of the fandom has finally found this gem. This video has been one of my long time favorites because no one has gathered Cloud and Tifa’s relationship better than you and hell the edition and passion in your video shows how much you love the franchise and your talent ❤

[@z.z.1638]

This is a great analysis! I can't wait to see Tifa taking the center stage in pt3 !

[@AcappellaGamer]

Tifa being grabbed by cloud as the stairs collapse on the tower before the plate falls - is the best shot in the entire series so far. It’s absolute magic

[@PinkSakuraBunnie]

It's an amazing moment. When I saw that in one of the Remake trailers, it got me so hyped to see these two again and I was not disappointed in Remake or Rebirth. 🙃

[@AcappellaGamer]

Watch it in extra slow motion - it’s just everything . The lighting , their faces , the close up on the hands as they approach one another - it’s just pure fire. And also foreshadowing for so many other moments they save one another this same way - especially the very end of the OG game . I get chills!

[@anacampos1841]

this is the best video analysis on cloti i’ve ever seen, thank u for this!!!! so excited for more cloti moments in part 3

[@dr.edwardrichtofen365]

The crazy thing for me is that, in comparison to the OG, Rebirth (and Remake to an extent) really shouldn’t have had soooo many Cloud/Tifa moments. But I’m sooo glad they do. In the OG, it’s not until Mideel that you start seeing those moments with the 2. I’m excited to see how they expand their relationship even further. The way I see it, they are presenting their relationship as one that is “naturally” progressing: In Remake, they share a hug together. But Cloud hugs a little too tight, briefly forgetting his absurd strength (which I found adorable because this suggested he’s never hugged anyone, and was so focused on comforting Tifa he forgot all about his strength). In Rebirth, not only do they hug. They also hold hands, have intimate moments/conversations, and K.I.S.S. So far part 3, how do they take that to the next level? Simple. Tifa keeps her promise of helping him. Only for her to discover, Cloud never abandoned her, and was there in her moment of need at Nibelheim. And when Cloud finally becomes his true self… their relationship will skyrocket to the next level. See you guys in 2027 for Under The Highwind scene 😎

[@TonyKanameKuran]

We'll be there to FINALLY see these tender and sexy moments!

[@lockh4rt97]

Until we meet again my people!!!

[@thehoneybunempress1664]

It's gonna be a long 3 years via anticipation 😢

[@TonyKanameKuran]

@@thehoneybunempress1664 I understand that feeling, dude. Three years is gonna be be indeed worth it once we all enter the lifestream and restore that dream.

[@alyss4192]

SEE YALL ON PART 3 CLOTI ❤

[@Andrewweiland4509]

The developers are working extra hard on the story and working even harder on Cloud and Tifa’s relationship and interactions with each other for part 3.

[@resetbutton7982]

No more ambiguous storytelling. Make it understandable

[@Andrewweiland4509]

Cloud and Tifa’s relationship is going to be extremely important in part 3 and I believe they will have way more interactions with each other than in Remake and Rebirth combined.

[@Otis-Spunks]

I would like them to expand the experience they both receive from the lifestream. Sure, we'll obviously need for cloud's mind to be pieced back together and all that, but what I would like to see is them expand on the effects of two people, inextricably linked by powerful memory, being physically submerged in the lifestream. When I played OG FF7 the twist was interesting, but the relationship progression following the event read like cliffs notes. Instead I would like to see it hammered home just how much that experience in the lifestream taught Tifa about Cloud, and vice versa. They are swimming in the most powerful entity on the planet which is itself made out of memory. Imply heavily, or even show us, that they come to know each other in a very visceral and otherworldly way. Make the inevitable scene of Tifa's tearful realization really hit hard. Instead of just set pieces that briefly summarize true events, let Tifa feel the full extend of the memories, give her the full context of why Cloud suppressed them in the first place. Could you imagine how it would feel to relive all the messed up stuff Cloud went through? Actually feel it in its entirety? Then have the revelation as to why he made the decisions he did? It would be an insane emotional roller coaster for her. Now imagine what would happen to Cloud's self esteem knowing exactly how Tifa saw Cloud, and what he meant to her throughout her life. These were two people who constantly got in the way of their own happiness and the lifestream is an opportunity to break that barrier down and let them see each other unburdened in renewed light. Square have already greatly increased the natural affection they have for one another in both parts. What I propose I think has the potential to create an extremely emotional scene for the two when they finally embrace one another without hesitancy.

[@mikev8746]

@@Otis-Spunks I fully agree with that the OG made this feel like cliffnotes afterward. It's kind of jarring that you get this eye opening scene and your reactions afterward hardly cover something so impactfull. But honestly I felt like the characterization in OG was always cliff notes. People read to much inbetween the lines. Now in Remake/Rebirth its so much more intense. So checking on that scene again after seeing these characters in a new light is weird. But I guess that's because we've become accustomed to their new selves? Anyway I do wonder how far SE will take this. In the end it's not High School Musical VII I get that. But at the same time you kind of can't imagine any other way for them to do it post lifestream. In the end FF7 is a character story. And this is the core of that story. Devs even agreed to that. The Gongaga scene already kind of made a silent promise on how the lifestream scene will go I think. But afterward until the final confrontation? You'd wonder how they will handle that. I mean it would be kind of lame for them to have this experience and revelations. Only for them to then get distracted by world ending stuff until the end. Then you get one scene under the Highwind and that's it. It would go against all the constant set up scene to scene, chapter to chapter they've put in Remake/Rebirth. But if they will cover them having some meaningful dialogue and an intimate moment or two, or if she will basically hang on his arm for the remainder of the game. That's yet to be seen.

[@Aux0_o]

And I feel like specially if you get Tina for the date, ngl when they kissed I smiled like a little boy again.

[@Otis-Spunks]

@@Aux0_o iirc it has been communicated via the Material Ultimania that the Gold Saucer dates are fan service and not purposefully linked to the story. (However, I would disagree when it comes to Aerith's dialog on the skywheel. It provides a lot of meaningful context.) But even with that said you still notice a significant hesitancy even in that moment between Cloud and Tifa. Triumphant as it was, it significantly lacks commitment both within the moment and when considering the context of Cloud's state of mind. The fake out, hug to kiss, I think represents this perfectly, as well as the childish awkwardness when exiting the gondola. Its a great scene, but it clearly represents their inexperience. In flower terms: it was a bud, not a bloom.

[@talmanes4589]

@@Otis-SpunksDepends on what you mean by canon I suppose. I think there isn't a canon date as in this one is chosen as the canon playthrough selection, because as you pointed out, they made it so it didn't impact the larger story. OTOH, they have also said that all the dates are canon in the sense that the high affection version represents how Cloud really feels about each character, regardless of which one actually happens in a given playthrough and they recommend you experience them all to see how Cloud stands with each person. It shows Cloud only has romantic feelings for Tifa. The writers didn't just accidentally have him only make a move for one girl. He loves the others but it's different kinds of love. I think that's the important thing the dates communicate taken as a whole. I would agree that it was only the beginning, Under the Highwind should be the full bloom. Can't blow it all this early. I agree with your other comment too, about how the lifestream is really one of the most intimate and personal things you could imagine for both Cloud and Tifa and needs to be shown as such.

[@MrFiremagnet]

I guess the real Final Fantasy was a partner who accepts you and supports you through your lowest lows.

[@myathtin9521]

I m gonna tell this to my girlfriend when I propose to her

[@cronoesify]

I'm so tired of this meme bros

[@LowestForm0fwit]

I don't particularly like the shipping wars, or the CloTi/Clerith labels, but Cloud and Tifa's relationship in Remake/Rebirth has been so enjoyable to play through. They are just dialing it up to 11. Every little detail, including Cloud's shift in tone when he speaks to Tifa, is such a treat.

[@justingabriel1765]

I literally only knew there was a whole war about ships until I was looking at stuff for the end of this game, and bro for the limited time I’ve seen it in already over it, grown adults can’t accept that the story is more complex then they thought and that cloud likes 2 girls it’s so wild lol 😂 it is really cute I love how they are leaning into their relationship taking center stage for part 3, cause he’s gonna need her

[@demifolk8940]

its not even shipping wars at some point its just realizing what the story is doing if you say it as unbiased as you can. cloud does care for tifa, i would say he even loves her dearly. but aerith is important too as she pulls cloud out of his shell in the early parts of the game. its like aerith helps him be a better person and being good for tifa motivates him to want that more. basically they both push cloud to be better in different ways. also cloud and tifa are basically canon. but people dont ship because of how canon something is. i think its okay to like cloud x aerith as long as youre not toxic (probably asking too much of shippers tho)

[@justingabriel1765]

@@demifolk8940 100%, People don’t understand that without Aerith being as forward with cloud as she was, Tifa never would gain her own confidence, in this game and in the original Tifa actually spends most of it making cloud worse, because she allows him to miss remember things because she is afraid of losing him. But when aerith dies that effects her too, that was one of her best friends, and instead of lying to cloud she then goes and becomes his pillar when he needs her, to make up for all of the things she did to him. People can’t understand that for some reason like they both are PIVOTAL in clouds development, and not only that they are extremely important to eachother. Yet all people want to do is midigate the others impact to make their ship more valid or something it’s so dumb. Like as someone who played remake first and then the original, and then went back through to play remake and rebirth. It is so obvious that the games push this Aerith cloud Romance, because it leads to one of the most heartbreaking scenes in video game history, when she’s effing murdered before his very eyes. Like that is traumatic, and to try and say he didn’t love her actively ruins that moment and makes it not as hurtful, it’s supposed to be one of three most traumatizing moments in clouds life.

[@dianavecchio]

@@justingabriel1765 okay I'm with you with other things but acting like tifa made cloud worst in anyway when she is the reason he isnt already wearing a black robe is just extremely off putting. This idea that tifa is suppose to correct cloud on how he remembers things when she is confused if she's the one that is wrong is just not it. She spends most of the time questioning what is real because of the head injury she sustained and is worried that she is misremembering things because of it. Even if she knew completely and 100% that cloud wasn't there that day (which he was) her and aerith collectively decide to withhold info from cloud for his own good. They see how the mention of zack screws with him and are worried his mental state can't take it. Trying to frame Tifa this way is negating her value and impact. You yourself are making her into something she is not and she's not a manipulator or a liar. Aerith has her place and value in cloud's life of course as she holds this place and value in all the crews lives, but the impact and role that tifa holds in clouds life is meant to have a bigger impact. Even the va for cloud has said this. It's not meant to be disrespectful or put down aerith and what she means to cloud but to uplift tifa and cloud's relationship and what they mean to each other. Aerith's role as a cetra is to save the planet and Tifa's role is to save cloud.

[@Mauldrom]

@@justingabriel1765 He loves Aerith and Tifa. It's also rather telling that he denied that he and Tfia were in a relationship, but never denied that he and Aerith were in a relationship.

[@tinatinkvirkvelia1317]

Cloud and Tifa's relationship is the only relationship (along with Zack and Aerith) that is NECESSARY to be a romance for the game's plot! Everything else can be a friendship and will even be BETTER as a friendship, but Cloud and Tifa need to be romantic because of their story and plot, that's why they're canon. This was an amazing video and incredible breakdown of their dynamic and their importance, and especially of how well Rebirth highlighted them in a VERY special and unique way, unlike any other relationship, exactly why all reviews talked about them and them alone in this light.

[@Silverfish-qv8ig]

That makes zero sense. You can actually play FF7 OG with no romancing of Tifa. Again, there is no canon, there is no one important couple.

[@tinatinkvirkvelia1317]

@@Silverfish-qv8ig I will just say one thing: play Disc 2.

[@Kvast]

@@Silverfish-qv8ig It makes complete sense? Cloud ends up with Tifa in the end, even if the player doesn't romance her. I mean, the plot is the plot. FFVII is not a dating sim. The whole affection point system is just for fun.

[@jenniferchough]

@@Silverfish-qv8igyou’re not getting the point. In order for the story to make sense, Cloud’s feelings for Tifa have to be romantic-that’s the whole jumping off point to his journey (wanting to be noticed by her, to be her hero, to be her special existence; this has already been established in the game and by the novels). Cloud’s relationship with Aer doesn’t have to be romantic at all and it still wouldn’t change the story. He is affected by guilt over not preventing her death. You’re talking about player choice for the gondola ride. Player choice stops there, even in OG. There are no branching paths. In the Lifestream event, Cloud’s feelings come to light that even Tifa didn’t know and they confirm their mutual feelings. They are end game. You can’t choose to spend your last night with Aer in spirit or go visit the FC or the church. Cloud spends it with Tifa. The compilation hammers it home. They now live together and raise a family. There is absolutely a canon couple.

[@tinatinkvirkvelia1317]

@@jenniferchough Exactly what I meant, thank you!

[@LindsayTotty]

Great video. The development of Cloud and Tifa's relationship is one of the best alterations Rebirth made to the story. Moving some of the revelations from Part 3's Lifestream sequence to Part 2 was a great idea - I think it will make the story more digestible overall. I also appreciate the fact that you point to why Sephiroth can't just kill Tifa. If Sephiroth just kills Tifa, he would essentially martyr her - Cloud would mourn but eventually rise up and seek revenge. But if Sephiroth can first discredit Cloud and Tifa in each other's eyes, he can sever their bond and weaken Cloud on a deeper level, making him more vulnerable to Sephiroth's influence.

[@ericbright1742]

Exactly. It's not just sadism or gambling, it's _tactical._ Sephiroth's goal is to break Cloud's will, so he can subsume him. Tifa is the one reinforcing his will and sanity. Killing Tifa would galvanize Cloud's will until Sephiroth is dead. That won't accomplish the goal. The only way Sephiroth can break the bond between Cloud and Tifa without hardening Cloud is if _Cloud severs it himself._

[@talmanes4589]

He tried to force Cloud to kill her, which would be total victory for him. Cloud would not recover mentally from that. In all likelihood would not live long past realizing what he had done.

[@LindsayTotty]

@@talmanes4589 Right. Sephiroth probably has to be careful not to make Cloud too much of a danger to himself, though, because as he said at the end of Remake, "I will not end, nor will I have you end."

[@carlytweedle9943]

Ah let the cleriths shout into the void. It won't change anything, they will see. They're only making themselves miserable instead of enjoying their ship. Don't let them ruin your fun with the story.

[@omgitsfelixia]

They’re literal delulus lol

[@RekkaAlexiel]

Hey, Xander! What's up!? This is like my 18 billionth time watching this vid and I love every bit of it!! Thank you for your hard work! What's this word that I've heard that you're working on something new along this topic...??? I'm super excited! This vid has gotten me through a ton-- I broke my leg just a couple days after this was released, so it really helped. I'm better now but still not great, so every little bit helps! Thank you!

[@xanderscut]

Get well soon!!! Wishing you the best, and thank YOU!

[@b0r3dumb]

Wow I'm surprised I haven't seen this vid till now. This was a really wonderful analysis on their relationship and the importance of Tifa. Honestly, from what I heard from OG players, I wasn't expecting so much Tifa focus or Cloti content in Rebirth but we were fed so well. Also love the funny animations and puns you did and your cosplay 🤣

[@xanderscut]

So glad you liked it! Thanks for the lovely comment, have a great day! ❤️‍🔥

[@b0r3dumb]

@@xanderscut you’re welcome! Keep doing what you’re doing cause you’re doing great 👍🏻

[@brycetheoddball]

I think in the ultimania it is said that the Gold Saucer dates happen outside of the story (because they’re supposed to happen at the same time) but they took careful consideration to illustrate how Cloud would react to each person in the party, meaning each one is Cloud’s true feelings towards each person.

[@Mukation]

Yup, the devs say that all dates are non-canon and only illustrates Clouds relationship with the gang at that point of the game. Barret = And older (mid 30s) friend, whom he has come to look up to for "life advice", which is what Barret gives him. Red = Two guys around the same age just chilling and bonding, Cloud even gets to touch his paws indicating that Red really sees him as a friend. Yuffie = Little sister vibing and just having fun, he even allows himself to be silly with her (mentally speaking he's the same age as her). He finds her hillarious and simple to be around because she isn't complicated. Cait sith, Cid and Vincent = just 4 guys who don't know eachother chilling. Mostly thrown in as a jab at you for not doing a single side quest :P And for the main ladies, Aerith= She gets to lean on his shoulder, he doesn't mind her being physical with him, and he will consider initiating holding her hand. Maybe he feels that there is something there, but he doesn't seem to be fully aware that she actually likes him until the church scene in their dream date, because he looks absolutly dumbfounded when he realies what she's actually trying to tell him. Tifa = He will want to hug her and consider initiating a kiss. Because he has loved her since he was a kid and he never stopped loving her. So regardless of "ship", Cloud has now been definitatley confirmed to _want_ to kiss Tifa at that point of the game. Because he loves her. :)

[@KeyzooAzul]

This was a very sweet video. Just two awkward nerds who get lost and find their way together, I've loved them for a while now and you did a great job explaining why.

[@xanderscut]

I’m glad I could! Thank you for the kind words! ❤️‍🔥

[@jaybee4288]

How is she an awkward nerd? She was a bully as a child and now she’s a gym girl who thinks she’s better than Johnny etc. Tifa is a classic 304.

[@EvelynL.1112]

@@jaybee4288 "Bully"? No she wasn't. She may have never invited Cloud into her group, but she never picked on him or harassed him or physically abused him.

[@nesty8797]

@@jaybee4288 I don't think Tifa was a bully. She didn't hang out with Cloud as with the others, but that doesn't mean she bullyied him. In fact, they were always watching each other from afar

[@liammcnicholas918]

@@jaybee4288 If you don’t like Tifa then maybe don’t watch a video about her

[@felixdeplanques3614]

Can't wait for part 3 of this remake to see where their wholesome dynamic will lead them !

[@LingeringFlower]

Came for the Cloti content, stayed for the amazing song 😭

[@liammcnicholas918]

I know right? It’s just like when the teacher rolled in the TV to put on Bill Nye the Science Guy.

[@BleistiftSchwert]

The Gongaga scene is much more intimate when you look at Tifa. She’s not wearing her gloves so when she touches Cloud it’s without any barrier on her side.

[@sassytheeunicorn]

Man, do you understand the assignment! And your humor and creativity make this video all the more worth watching. Very refreshing to see in a fandom where I constantly feel gaslit about this story (mainly Cloud and Tifa’s relationship) Thank you for sharing! 💕🙏💕

[@xanderscut]

Such a pleasant surprise to see you in the comments! I cannot tell you how many times I’ve watched Slow Burn lol. Thank you for the thoughtful comment, glad you got something out of my video ❤️‍🔥

[@sassytheeunicorn]

@@xanderscut Ah, thank you 💕🙈💕 Slow Burn 2 is up now. Looking forward to making part three in a few years 😊 Hope to see more content from you, too!

[@ashmein6021]

I just want to note I love how you seemlessly insert your self inside the cutscenes. they are brilliant.

[@Heerox328]

This is objectively the best and most thorough breakdown of the main plot of OG FFVII and the Remake project. No other content creator gets it like you! Tifa is literally the key to Cloud's identity and his purpose in life. Part III will without a doubt be the best game in the trilogy as it's where most of the story happens and Cloud and Tifa will be center stage at unraveling the mystery. I can't wait to play it. Thank you so much for this amazing video!

[@michaelbrent1536]

I like Tifa and Cloud as well as Link and Zelda(Breath of the wild ),Sora and Kairi,Pit and Palutena,Arieth and Zack and Shulk and Fiora!

[@iLoveLucy420]

Naruto and Hinata, Luffy and Hancock, Natsu and Lucy and of course Cloud and Tifa.. so far only 1 of these ships have sailed.

[@liammcnicholas918]

“Pit and Palutena” Hold up

[@yujin-1907]

I'm actually surprise Square has been giving Tifa this much focus in the Remake series. In the OG, she only got this much focus After Aerith died but now she has so much focus especially on Rebirth. They're really building up Cloud and Tifa's relationship. What's more in part 3?

[@jamelgallagher6602]

Well they did say that they want to things to be less ambiguous and they really wanted to flesh out the characters. Given that statement it’s really no wonder tifa has so many scenes. In the og people were so divided about who meant more to cloud and before part 3 a lot of people thought it was aerith, it wasn’t until the ls scene where we discovered that cloud and tifa has had crushes on one another since they were kids and his whole reason to become a soldier is because of her. This really threw the story for a loop so suddenly and made people wonder why she tifa didn’t seem more important to cloud throughout part 1 and 2. In these remakes they emphasize from the beginning how much these two mean to one another and rebirth really sets up their dynamic really well and focuses on those two more than anyone else further signifying who the game is really revolving around.

[@doctorpringles12]

⁠@@jamelgallagher6602yep, as I discussed, OG romance development really needed some work, and it’s no wonder why there was such a divide years later as I put it more on the devs’ ability to actually implement their intentions. That’s why I’m thankful for the remakes, they make the romance arc much more visible to see compared to the OG with a lot of stuff put on the remake to expand on Cloud and Tifa to ensure that they made their romance development work.

[@talmanes4589]

@@jamelgallagher6602 I find even in the OG game you pick up on a lot of little clues to their relationship on a replay. It's definitely not obvious though, and mostly takes a backseat storywise. For me it wasn't the lifestream when I realized it though, it was when she left the group because she refused to leave Cloud when you find him in Mideel. It felt like the game very clearly telling me with the actual game mechanics that these two characters are tied together and you either have both or neither. I enjoy what the remakes have done, for a lot of the characters including them.

[@nkkimariee]

Exactly! She deserves her own little “game” and her story shown because in the original, it was just like she was there as his childhood friend who faught alongside Cloud and helped him out when he needed it. Also, if SE really wanted to break the FF industry and sapphics, developing Cloti as the biggest canon ship beside Tidus and Yuna is the way to go.

[@jamelgallagher6602]

@@talmanes4589 yea it was a little more obvious that tifa felt something for cloud but we don’t see clouds feeling until the ls scene.

[@angel_in-black]

Love this! Cloti is everything to me! I never thought in a million years we’d see them ever share a kiss. I swear I squealed like a school girl when I saw that for the first time! That gives me hope that we’ll see some more romantic moments between them that we never thought we’d see! Tifa is everything I love in a girl! She’s caring, she’s supportive, she’s not too nice, she’s badass, she’s been through a lot and doesn’t hide her vulnerable side. And I relate to Cloud a lot! No I was never kidnapped and experimented on or see my best friend die, but I do know what it feels like to be an outcast and not feel good enough for someone, and when you think you’ve found what you’ve been looking for to help you, even they say you’re not good enough. It’s my dream to find someone like Tifa. Someone who will help me accept myself and make me feel good enough.

[@gamingwithdoublea]

Thank you so much for this video. Biased, I am a Cloti, but their relationship is truly part of the core of not just Rebirth but FFVII as a whole. I don’t have the words to even explain how much I love these two independently and together. Excellent work!!

[@xanderscut]

Thanks a ton, glad it meant so much to you! Hope you have a nice day!

[@Snugboy]

Man no one makes character analysis videos like you man. Every time they’re so smartly delivered and so astute in their observations. And your editing just gets smoother and more finessed every time man it’s incredible. Every frame has a gag or a clever visual!! You’re just so goated man so proud of how far you’ve come. Thank you for being the worlds #1 Tifa stan. And thank you for wearing the tifa outfit lmaoooo

[@xanderscut]

Thank YOU for being such a consistent and motivating supporter Snug. Excited to cook together soon 🔥

[@doctorpringles12]

I like how for once how you detail why the CloTi romance works in making the story of the Remake saga a much more compelling narrative, instead of digging yourself deep into into the endless hole of the shipping/canon debate stuff that doesn’t really need to be discussed. I hope you can also one day make an analysis on why Remake saga so far actually does a better job in presenting the romance development far more than the OG, where I’ve felt under the opinion that a lotta issues arose in how romance was exactly presented in OG. Limits of the writing, and the angle of interpretation, is why I feel there’s been this level of contention amongst the fandom over Cloud’s supposed lover where I feel could’ve been avoided if the developers presented the romance development much better than what we’re left with in the OG. There’s no doubt in my mind the CloTi scenes in the latter half were special, and it being pretty canonical engdame as far as I’m aware of it, but I really do feel romance development in the OG wasn’t always one of its stronger aspects because of the limits the devs were faced with in both tech and writing at the time. Especially when it got people into debates of ships and angles on the canon even with the expanded material released later down the line. That’s why I felt that the changes in the Remakes made for FF7 in expanding Cloud and Tifa’s development were necessary in bumping up the romance to make what the creators want to achieve much more digestable, even when we’re still left with all this discussion of differences in shipping and perceiving how things are, as the story we’re left with now does the job for us through visual language and presentation of body language to build up the romance development in a way the OG could not hope to achieve. But in the end, we still have to thank the OG for what it is and still being a memorable experience, and at least giving the devs a framework on where and how they can improve upon it, and what we’re given now in the Remakes wouldn’t exist without the devs carefully crafting on it while still understanding OG

[@xanderscut]

I’m happy to hear you resonated with the direction of the video! Always keen to cover more remake narrative in the future, thanks for the comment!

[@mikev8746]

I agree, I never care about these romantic angles in games and movies because they just feel like bait for the people that gravitate towards that. Granted these characters are so well written and I might have a personal weak spot to this specific set up do to personal attributes and reasons. But even then I just check out with other stories that have this sort of tone. But here first and foremost it feeds into the plot. FF7 is a character story to a huge degree the more I ponder it. It's absolutely crucial for the story to have this element dialed to eleven. It's also just compelling set up secondary to that. Where most romantic tales fall in the same old boring tropes. I think all of this combined makes it meaningful to the game. But the story without this would be weaker for it. FF7 has such a strong connection to the party members. And beyond that there's the connection between these two.

[@jessicapittman8598]

This was so amazing! Thank you so much for this. It’s funny because if you pick and pull parts of the story out of context it can seem like Cloud is romancing both women, but when you look at the overarching story, themes, and character arcs it’s obvious that Cloud and Tifa have a special bond. While Cloud listened to some of Aerith’s vulnerable thoughts, he never felt close enough to talk to her about the fact that he’s going insane. Also, one thing most shippers seem to leave out is that he is incredibly thirsty for Tifa. It’s so obvious even Yuffie teases him for it XD. Another interesting dynamic I noticed is that in battle cut scenes they are often shown fighting together in the same shot like they are partners. In the Rude, Reno, and Elena fight in the beginning of Rebirth there is a fight with Cloud, Tifa, and Aerith. There is a shot of Cloud and Tifa fighting back to back while Aerith is behind them. Anyway, thanks again for the awesome insight!

[@alyss4192]

In the Remake too it's so obvious he yearns for her. Remember the cut scene when they went back to the inn after fighting mini monsters? He definitely expected "something" when they went back together to her room. He mumbled nervously when Tifa's face got close but then booom Tifa asked about what happend 5 years ago instead of "something" 😂 he was suprised😂. And when she said they gotto go bact to the bar he asked "arent you tired?" 😂😂😂😂

[@williamwhite6502]

Not to completely rain on your parade, but quoting you here, " In the Rude, Reno, and Elena fight in the beginning of Rebirth there is a fight with Cloud, Tifa, and Aerith. There is a shot of Cloud and Tifa fighting back to back while Aerith is behind them." Both Tifa and Cloud are more Melee style fighters, with Aerith a caster, do you want your caster on the front lines, or your melee fighters? That isn't a great example of them being "a couple" rather than fighters who have fought dozens of battles together and fight well together.

[@talmanes4589]

Solid analysis. I always try to tell people it's not about ships or your preferences, it's just about understanding the story and understanding how storytelling works.

[@thehoneybunempress1664]

Yes. I think that's what really upsets me about this "debate". Whenever you simply talk about the story and lore in good faith (bc you're an actual fan), there's always a few people who accuse you of being a "shipper." "Oh you're just saying that because you're a shipper!" No, we're talking about a story that was presented to us by the writers. I don't care about someone's shipping preferences, but talking about and acknowledging what's Canon is a different issue. That cloud and Tifa just so happen to be a large part of it is just how it is 🤷‍♀️.

[@nickisthemost]

Just came here to show my support 😂 Can't wait for part 3

[@TheSpiderPan]

I've noted that Aerith seems to be trying to get them together, while at the same time jealous to have not had a childhood friendship like they have.

[@kjh4496]

Pretty much. She tells him not to take Tifa for granted knowing that they are meant for each other.

[@Mukation]

Exactly, while she is obviously interested in Cloud herself too, she is simultanously him and Tifas biggest shipper, like she definatly claimed him and Cloud were on a date in Kalm, just because she knew Tifa would react to it (Aerith is like "girl, if you don't make your intentions clear to this dumb boy, i or someone else will eventually snatch him"). And during their "date" in Kalm, what does she do...? Why did she want to get Cloud to be alone with her? She brings up the fact that Cloud hurt Tifa and that he shouldn't neglect her. Her intention with climbing the tower was definatly to get some alone time with him were she could give him shit for hurting Tifa (without even knowing what had happend between them, she could just tell something was off about Tifa). And what does Cloud do once they reach Junon? He apologises to Tifa and the two start to bond again. And you can't tell me the smile she gave Tifa in Gongaga after she almost kissed Cloud, before Yuffie crashed the party, wasn't because she realised the two were so close to confirming their feelings for eachother and was happy for them :P Like Aerith definatly falls for Cloud too, but she clearly acts like Tifa has more "right" to Cloud than she does.

[@katerinakucerova2937]

@@MukationI kinda look at Aerith interest in Cloud more like someone, who is suffering from terminal desease and knows is living on borrowed time to actually trying to cram up as much memories and life experience as they can, before they go. Also, have you noticed that most of the dates they go on are paralel to the dates she had with Zack in Crisis core? Aerith is basically reliving her relationship with Zack through Cloud. And Remake makes it quite obvious, she is not over Zack at all. And if Zack was there, she would not look at Cloud twice. Even Marlene tells Zack that Aerith grew to like Cloud, because he was not there 😁 Aerith definitely wants Cloud and Tifa to be happy and supports them. She just borrows him sometimes to make those happy memories without thinking anything is wrong with that. I dont blame her 😜 It also serves as push to Tifa to be more proactive with Cloud.

[@Mukation]

@@katerinakucerova2937 Yeah, thar's not a bad comparison, really. She only has one other man to compare dating with, though and both the market, the church and the playground was "hers" before she met Zack aswell. I really like Zack, but i think people read to much into her choice of dating spots with Cloud.

[@MetaGrave]

For Aerith, let's not forget how sheltered she was forced to be with her life being constantly under Shinra's eye. I think Tsung understood this and tried to ease the blow. But it didn't help Aerith's loneliness. Even as an avid CloTi shipper, I don't deny the POTENTIAL feelings between Cloud and Aerith, but I think Aerith's story isn't a love story like Tifa's is towards Cloud, which is far more explicit and clear. Aerith's story is the orphaned girl, held back from the world, cheated out of the life she could have lived, finding a new family with the party, and Zack, and their various roles. And Tifa's happy ending is to be loved by Cloud. Aerith's happy ending is to be loved by the world. Cloud's happy ending is to love himself. All are valid. All are beautiful. It's not selfishness. It's needs. These three have their needs and desires in their lives. Would Aerith have LIKED romance with Cloud? Maybe. Her line about "the difference between liking someone and /liking/ someone" leaves it a bit ambiguous, but, I feel like, even if she lived, if she saw Cloud and Tifa end up together, she'd be their biggest cheerleader and absolutely dot over their children. Not to say Tifa wouldn't be happy if she saw Cloud and Aerith together, but given their stories, there'd have definitely been that tinge of regret in her soul after, and that'd be heartbreaking (to me, at least). And I'm sorry, but Barret and Vincent are hardly valid substitutes for Cloud to Tifa or Aerith. Vincent won't let go of Lucrecia and would rather live his life fighting in her memory. Barret, likewise, I don't think would settle down and move past his wife. I do love the way Barret interracts with both (those sunglasses on Aerith, tho!), and I'm expecting just as much from Vincent in part 3, but romance? Probably not. Sooo... just my take. This whole love triangle is fascinating, honestly. While I remain steadfast in my feelings towards Cloud and Tifa, Aerith's involvement does lead to fascinating questions. And I'm glad this trio isn't being like Betty & Veronica, with the two girls being catty towards one another while the guy happily just bounces between the two. All three get along (twinges of jealousy, thankfully, not really ruining things). Which is a good thing... because we know the fandom has supplied enough vitriol around this topic. -_-; Ugh, sorry all. Didn't mean to go on a rant there.

[@tinatinkvirkvelia1317]

I heard that the usual nasty notoriously harassing suspects have found and targeted this excellent video and came back here to reaffirm my support and say that it's probably the most informative and accurate video you'll find on this subject!

[@xanderscut]

Thank you!!!

[@jt5660]

Bunch of insecure CloudxAerith folks showing their illiterate asses

[@MaxMonado]

Oh my god, you didn't only cosplay Cloud for this one 😂

[@synntrifluxe7086]

One of the best cosplays no 🧢 😂

[@liammcnicholas918]

@@synntrifluxe7086Angry Joe did it better tbh

[@AriesHeart]

I needed this. Like a breathe of fresh air. Subscribed, thank you for showing others what started the journey and the significance which tends to be underlooked. The song at the end was the cherry on top revealing that you get it. Tifa is the way. Can't wait for reunion.

[@xanderscut]

Thanks for your time and kind words! Glad I could make something that resonated with you!

[@SasuraChan]

When I played the OG as a teenager the internet wasn't as present as it is now, so there were no theories or opinions of others to look up. Or at least I didn't do that. But I always thought the "romance" between Cloud and Aerith seems forced and for me it felt pretty one sided with Aerith being the extroverted one. So when I learned that most people saw a romantic connection in Cloud and Aerith I was shocketh :D Cause I didn't have that feeling at all in my playtrough. And of course when the TifaCloud Lifestream scene was happening there was no doubt about Tifa and Cloud being the canon couple. It always felt like Aerith was more of a "decoy romance", with everything making sense as soon as Zack comes to the picture and when we learn the real reason of Cloud trying to join SOLDIER. Which was always Tifa of course. And I don't wanna downplay Aerith here. She plays a huuuuge role of course. She saves the effing planet! But the one saving Cloud is Tifa.

[@brianollivier]

I had the same response and playing through the remake trilogy now just codified that feeling. I never get the sense that Cloud enjoys being around Aerith, as she's the one constantly grabbing him and pulling him aside. Cloud GOES to Tifa, and is way more like himself. Even at the end, when Cloud gets the White Materia from Aerith, it still seems like he's just humoring her. Yes he clearly cares about her don't get me wrong, it just feels so forced, like you said, as some sort of decoy relationship only to make what happens after more impactful.

[@KevX1127]

Love how you encapsulate the nuances of their love story so well! Thank you!

[@xanderscut]

You’re welcome! And thank you for the lovely comment!

[@Montra78]

Tifa & Cloud ftw! The Highwind scene is gonna be peak

[@xxH4rdC0R3xx]

I guess its the scene that will wreck the cleriths for sure 🤣

[@TonyKanameKuran]

@@xxH4rdC0R3xx Wren is one of the Clefairy snowflakes using sock accounts.

[@gregor0ni927]

It’s going to be x-rated I hear 😂 ignore the fact that this was announced on April 1st

[@divinearia1601]

It's an optional scene. Was optional in the OG too, where one's affection level for Tifa impacts the outcome. Why would it wreck Cleriths?

[@TonyKanameKuran]

@@divinearia1601 The Highwind scene between Cloud & Tifa is not optional in the final part of the trilogy. The Clefairies are already coping since Sephiroth killed Aerith in Rebirth.

[@tobytheshih-tzu6329]

Yes Cloud and Tifa, Zack and Aerith ❤

[@Silverfish-qv8ig]

I mean, you understand that Zack and Aerith has been somewhat debunked right? By Marlene, by the Aerith date, by 'On the way to a smile' by Zack himself (taking it like a champ)... I understand CloTi perspective, but please inform me of why Zerith is anything more than a youthful crush?

[@medigoomnis]

Lmfao your editing is amazing dude. I...wholly agree with you here. I somehow found myself almost crying for Tifa at the end...lost her home, family, friends, everything she owned, everything she knew, then in Remake her new best friend Jessie and her bar and livelihood, then in Rebirth she sees cloud being nuts and wonders if he's fake, then in spite of all he does, she stays with him anyway, cloud is all over the place but she remains firm and keeps him from going off the rails until Sephiroth is finally able to hold her back...and then she loses her new bestie Aerith and then sees cloud go nutser-er than before, the lifestream having shown her what's wrong with him and seeing him walk the route anyway and obviously no longer acquainted with reality. The devs weren't lying when they said we'd feel closer to these characters than any other...yup. They removed most of the aerith romance present in the original game, she and Cloud seemed quite incompatible in this and I was glad for that, knowing about Zack this time thru (those two are cute too). Aerith confused me at the end talking about "liking" cloud and "knowing where she stands" ...in Japanese, Cloud responds using 仲間, meaning a member of a group of friends, tribe, or family. This makes more sense to me, if aerith was acknowledging no kissy kissy. Hope she finds Zack someday...

[@liammcnicholas918]

Tifa is going to *SNAP* in part 3.

[@liammcnicholas918]

@Rusalo4ka-ue1mt Peridot from Steven Universe

[@houstonscott4362]

⁠THIS! They didn’t have to expand Tifa and Clouds story for instance but they did. New fresh scenes in the Remake with Cloud and Tifa being an example. Cloud and Tifa are going to eventually have their big moment. The Gongaga scene naturally reinforces that eventually, they’re are going to likely kiss and most importantly exchange feelings when his mind is cleared. It’s proper story telling IMO. And naturally the one that’s going to help him, save him and restore him is Tifa. I’m anticipating Part 3 being quite the damn story. Rebirth opened up with them at odds but they gradually open up with one another and Tifa proclaims she’s not going to let him and his Soldier degradation get the best of him. All while he doesn’t even fully feel like himself. Now, he has mentally snapped. 😮‍💨😮‍💨 Tifa has her own mental obstacles. Losing another important person and someone she relied on with what she had going on internally. Now, I can only imagine the mental hurdles she’s going through. They both have quite a bit ahead of them. It’s what’s going to make the highwind scene that much more heartfelt if they do it right. I don’t even care about the “sex scene”. I more so want to see if their feelings match and from the looks of it, it will.

[@NixxSantos]

Of course if you know the whole story from cloud and tifa's childhood to advent children you'll know it is really about them.

[@DutchDread]

It's insanity that after 27 years this debate is still going on. Not only is Cloti canon, but it's arguably more canon than the vast majority of FF relationships. Why? because unlike things like Garnet and Zidane, Tidus and Yuna, or even Squall and Rinoa, the story of FFVII depends on Cloud and Tifa being in love. With all those other relationships they just start when the game starts and nothing really depends on it. But FFVII can't even start without Cloud and Tifa. Without their relationship there is no Cloud, there is no backstory, there is no "why" behind everything that happens. The entire story falls apart, which becomes EXTREMELY clear when you look at advent children and ESPECIALLY all the extremely poor takes Cleriths have about it.

[@jaybee4288]

It’s not canon. Cloud not having a relationship is canon. Tifa was just a big pair of melons and no one talked about her as a character for 27 years, just about her pixels. This canon stuff is new to the remake.

[@nkkimariee]

^ u good clerith stan?

[@jt5660]

​@@jaybee4288 "WAAAAAAAHHH WAAAAAAAAHHHHH 😭😭😭" - You

[@doctorpringles12]

Here's the problem. Unlike those other romances you mentioned following 7's release, a lot of how stuff revolving around romance throughout the OG game felt like it wasn't the best presented aspect of the experience, where while the experience of the plot was memorable, it threw people into a lot of this interpretation discussion. Can you blame people for debating when there's so much that goes on that throws players on the loop of whether there is a canonical framing or if the real romance was *really* as player-choice as people thought it was like other games that happens to give romance choices. Clearly both limits in writing and technology, and the intents of the devs on the romance development within the main plot itself not always having the best implementation, really fueled the conflict of interests of an aspect the fans really cared about that the devs didn't predict to such a high extent. There's even the debate on the angle of how if there's a love triangle or that there's no romance at all, even with the inclusion of special scenes with Cloud, Tifa and Aerith like FC, LS, and the Highwind Scene, and I can see to some extent why. It's cuz the development from Cloud himself and whomever the game presents as his love interest, whether it'd be player choice and interpretation or the devs' intended romance choice for the plot like Tifa, the moments with Cloud and either girl to showcase romance development don't always have the best presented buildup like dialogue and moments within the main story that tailors to romance outside of those aforementioned special moments (and in certain cases of player choice of dialogue options and the GS date), and Cloud not showcasing much of his feelings towards either girls before the LS sequence. Let's not forget that somehow there even exists two versions of the Highwind Scene based on affection that gets people debating on thinking you can get Cloud to affirm his feelings for Tifa or not. That's why I get pretty pissy thinking about OG's romance, since seeing how much contention the fans have over this, I partly blame the devs for not making the experience of the OG's romance much better presented and resorted to using a lot of spin-off and extra material released later down the line to try to clarify things that only resulted to more debates, and am just glad that the Retrilogy really fixes the overall presentation and intent of making CloTi's romance an essential part of the narrative through improving its development through the main plot and showing Cloud's relationship with each party member through visual language.

[@EvelynL.1112]

@@jaybee4288 SHUT UP. THAT'S NOT TRUE. Tifa is more than just fanservice in the OG. She has dialogue and her own insecurities and doubts. She doesn't always go acting lewd or sexual or anything like that just because she has a huge bust size.

[@xxlyn505]

cleriths out there giving you the views you deserved, at least 😆

[@shreedin]

This is the greatest analysis of the greatest relationship in gaming history, you’re a king for this video. You managed put everything I felt playing through these games into words And THAT SONG I’m sobbing thank you

[@xanderscut]

Wow that’s some high praise! I’m thrilled you got so much out of the video, thanks for letting me know ❤️‍🔥

[@ShirouBrando]

Im sure all the comments are gona be super respectful right.... right

[@ShirouBrando]

This deserves way more views the editing is on point not to mention its very well thought out

[@xanderscut]

Thanks a million!

[@heartstations]

I love this analysis, and really commend you for the honest deep dive that is faithful to FF7 and its context! Sometimes it is so difficult to even breach the topic of Cloud & Tifa’s romance without being labeled a shipper or biased bc the LTD has put a dark mark on anything regarding pairings. People will claim to be neutral and still shy away from the topic of Cloud & Tifa’s romance & how it is a central part of both the plot and Cloud’s character arc. I genuinely think the only way to truly understand the game the devs are cooking in front of us is to discuss the build of their devotion to one another, and how it serves as a crux of the subplot of the game. Without it, we would be left with a very sad, failed end. I also loved your song, it actually reminded me of the Akira npc in the ReTrilogy who performs several songs (Midgar Blues & Golden Sparks) whose lyrics are easter eggs widely theorized to be reflecting Real Cloud’s feelings toward Tifa. I think understanding that Real Cloud is beneath the surface, harboring these intense unexpressed feelings for Tifa really makes you as a player yearn for the moment Real Cloud gains his autonomy back for himself. I can’t wait for when the third part releases & we can see what the creators will do with the most important sequence of the game : the Lifestream.

[@Bobapanda95]

Damn bruhhh! This is probably one of the best breakdown of Tifa/Cloud dynamic. Great job!! People always say Aerith death scene is the most iconic but in the OG for me it was always the lifestream part with Tifa helping Cloud become whole again. It was very emotional. Now in the 3rd game, we are all rooting for our boy to find himself and go shred Sephiroth apart….AC style lol 😅😅

[@xanderscut]

You know it! Thank you for the nice comment, hope you have a lovely day!

[@facelesshalo5174]

I like to imagine the reason Sephiroth doesn't sky stab Tifa is because she will dodge.

[@benandrew21]

Yeah, Tifa moves pretty goddamn quick!

[@alyss4192]

Ur right! Now i think about it too, Tifa's battle style is close range and her physical strength is strong and quick, yet Sephiroth is some type of this semi-ghost thing his agility is much below Tifa 😂

[@Roxst1905]

Also rebirth on the other hand does give us more clarity on Cloud & Aerith relationship dynamic. Aerith for sure developed feelings for cloud too the same with Cloud. Then the final church scene Aerith confesses that she likes cloud. But she's not sure what kind of "likes" she refers to, she may be hinting that she wants to hear Cloud's feeling/comment about that, but then Cloud didn't respond her statement and just being shy. That's when Aerith got the clue and realize that's where they stand for and she gets her closure about their relationship before she say goodbye to him for real. None can deny Cloud's affection to Aerith is there and he cares for her a lot too. But it's a great story telling that he doesn't see Aerith in "romantic" way.. or in a way cloud didn't realize that he actually develop feelings for Aerith and didn't realize that up until she actually died

[@HeySayIcha]

fyi, Cloud has optional dialogue in the church scene: EN / JP Yeah, Next time / Yeah, Of course I mean, why not / Because we're firends Regardless of what line we get, it doesn't effect the story coz both lines still convey similar intention. In JP, "we're friends" is a more straightforward answer, while the other is a little nicer. In EN, their relationship nature is shown by Aerith's "At least I know where we stand". Those words are said when you realized you don't share mutual romantic feelings.

[@Roxst1905]

@@HeySayIcha Ohhh the japanese even clearer XD The english one is better then to sympathize with Aerith's a bit

[@gatorssbm]

Japanese scene frames what was said a bit differently, Aerith pushes the idea of them 2 making more memories Cloud can respond that she sees her as a friend or just agrees yes lets make more memories. Its still vague but imo the body language and gestures alone show the interest is mutual just if Cloud isnt romancing her it might be platonic or just him not truly understanding what he wants because his mind is still broken. Besides in Remake part 1 when she warns him not to fall in love with her he asserts hes still coming for her, I really do think hes just not aware how much he truly cares with how trauma can make you doubt a lot of things even feelings of love. Even in the Tifa date he brings up Aerith probably still has feelings for Zack signaling hes probably focusing on Tifa now that he thinks Aerith might not like him in that way and even asked if she still cared in Gongaga only to throw shade at Zack not being there for her, these arent actions youd do if you only considered someone a friend with nothing to look beyond that.

[@HeySayIcha]

@@gatorssbmI respectfully disagree with you here. FF7 is not an otome game, so there's no different path if we romancing certain character or whatever. Player sure has freedom and get different narrative in their playthrough. Even so, the story doesn't change. Cloud's feelings doesn't change based on player choice. It's reflected in the gondola date. If you don't mind, here's my opinion: Cloud can show his affection to women, including Aerith, without being in love with them. Cloud cares about Aerith's well being. His response about Zack is how a friend showing concern. A bit personal here, but what Cloud does to Aerith in Gongaga and Tifa's date reminds me of my guy friend to me back then. He shows his concern coz he knew Aerith still has feelings for Zack and Zack's death news must be hard for her. For me, Cloud loves Aerith. But love doesn't always mean romantic. In Rebirth, we have Tifa and Aerith confessed to Cloud. With Tifa, he reassured her with a hug (and a kiss) when she's questioning their closeness. With Aerith, he deflected them. In GS he moved the topic to Zack/Tifa. He only did something after Aerith told him "just until the ride is over". With Aerith saying that, I think she actually already understands Cloud's heart. Cloud himself wanted to make her happy, hence he gave her an interlocked handhold. That's where he drew the line. Aerith appreciated that hence she thanked Cloud after they got off of the gondola. And Cloud said "he didn't do anything", coz he genuinely wanted to comfort her. Imo, the dream date is more about Aerith confirming her feelings for Cloud. And she's confused. However, Cloud didn't do anything to reassure her confusion about her feelings for him. His response to Aerith is very different with Tifa's. I think if he has a bit romantic feelings for her, I expect him to initiate something like he did to Tifa. Furthermore, If you pay attention on their sq dates in CdS, Cloud acts "cold" to her advances. However, in the dream date, She's happy to know that Cloud actually wants to make more memories with her and enjoys her company. If we have Cloud saying "because we're friends", Aerith looks a bit dejected. It's because Cloud acts "cold" like he did in CdS. However, whether we get "friend" or "of course", the rest of the scenes are still the same. Because both lines has the same essence. I saw someone said the optional line seems like one sentence split into two. Coz if we combine "mochiron" and "nakama dakarana", it becomes "Yeah, of course. Because we're friends" And I think it's a good interpretation. In short, Cloud and Aerith may have romantic moments, but for me, even until the end they don't have that romantic bond. Aerith even in Remake already said to him "Even if you think you have, it's not real". And I think Cloud and Aerith understand this. What I see in Cloud and Aerith is a beautiful deep friendship. Two people who are initially connected through one beloved person (Zack) but in a short time they developed a strong bond and become an important presence for each other. That's my opinion and sorry for the long ass reply 🙏

[@gatorssbm]

@@HeySayIcha I still think half of it being vague is due to him not recognizing his own feelings and feeling split between on who to chose and he doesnt even know who he truly even is yet, the way he regrets losing Aerith in AC I dont think is on the same level as someone like Zack. Both meant a lot to him but its clear who he prioritizes when he wants to be forgiven, you can still frame Zack as him blaming himself for not being able to act and yet only Zack comes to him not the other way around. As for Aerith being a bit confused its because she had future memories in part 1 and she knows her death will really affect him greatly if he does fall in love with her which I feel did happen but he didnt properly get to express it so he broke down crying losing someone really valuable to him, I feel Barrets date foreshadows of him telling Cloud if he likes someone tell them before its too late and Cait Siths fortune which warns him he will lose what he cherishes most. That and repeatedly throughout both parts theyre called a couple but they never directly disagree with anyone they just roll with it and of course Zack finding out Aerith has feelings for Cloud via Marlene in another world. Square really put them in an odd zone, not outright confirming they love each other but strongly implying they do, probably to keep both ships afloat until part 3 just lets Tifa take center stage. And just a bonus point but mental trauma even in real life can make it hard for someone to be authentic or in some cases vulnerable in any way hence him not exactly committing, even in on the way to a smile novel which is before AC Tifa asks Cloud if he loves her but he just stays silent probably due to a fear he might lose her too. But Id still never say Tifa is just a platonic friend despite his hesitance, I just find it silly folk write off its impossible where both dont have feelings for each other because of X when theres a good chunk of evidence its reciprocal.

[@youknodavibes9601]

man the editing and breakdown and humor on this is fucking top tier man. glad to see this one getting traction. the tifa fit on you looks good playboy

[@leila7254]

I can't believe that some players felt it was right to invite any other than Tifa on the sky wheel

[@somebodysnightmare]

This was phenomenal! Your analysis and breakdown of how Rebirth handled their relationship from a writing and storytelling perspective put into words what I have been trying to express since February 29th. The way that you connected all the dots from Remake->Rebirth and their relationship in OG and the foreshadowing of what is to come in Part 3 was simple and clear yet captured the drama of this story and these characters. And you made really great points about the Trilogy's storytelling overall - that it's deepening the messages and themes and impact of the original story we loved, not turning it into something unrecognizable for shock value. This was also really entertaining and engaging to watch - you have a fantastic screen presence, your editing is excellent, and your use of humor and delivery is fabulous! Ultimately, what I love most is that you really made it clear what FFVII is really about, the human condition and how we are all trying to find and accept ourselves among life, loss, love, and tragedy. Cloud and Tifa's relationship is one of the most powerful vehicles through which we experience those messages and themes in FFVII and it's why it resonates so deeply with so many people even nearly 30 years later. It isn't perfect, there are trials and tribulations and misunderstandings, but they truly care about each other for who they ACTUALLY are - and that love and bond helps them get through the tough times so they are stronger on the other side. They are one of the most compelling couples in fiction and your video nails how Rebirth in particular develops and shows it at this stage of the Remake Trilogy. Kudos!!

[@xanderscut]

Thank you so much for such a thoughtful comment! It's always a pleasure to hear how other fans connect to the series in similar ways, glad I could compile what a lot of us love about these games in a little package. Take care and have a good one!

[@Haku15Mitarashi]

... if I couldn't see your Subscription numbers, I would have thought you had a few million. It is criminal that you don't have more than 20k right now. ... you seem to have a deep understanding of proper story-telling and I feel like you hit the nail on the head with what Square might be up to with the Remake of this series. So many things you pointed out that somehow flew right over my head when I too had been looking for that next scene between these two. ... and the song was a nice little touch to sum up and drive home their feelings for each other. Through your lyrics and video editing, I understood when it was Cloud speaking and when it was Tifa speaking, and you ended it with their kiss. You are right to be very proud of your work here. ... I had a blast listening to it so here's my Sub. Thanks.

[@xanderscut]

Wow thanks a million for taking time out of your day to not just watch the video but leave such a lovely message! I’m glad I could make something you resonated with, hope you have a great rest of your day ❤️‍🔥

[@cherry_0870]

I’m so glad this dude he understands how the FF7 relationships works between Tifa and Cloud those two deserve each other and they’re the real canon couples in the FF7 series….. that’s why I shipped Tifa and cloud so hard because they meant to be together

[@hamzakorichi2614]

never saw someon explains this well , thx for the detailled explanation and im convinced FF7 wont exist without Tifa

[@garysena]

Cloti is canon.

[@Dove0faction]

They are pretty much each other’s anchor…Cloud has saved her from harm’s way, but has also treated her with care when she’s emotionally down as well, and tifa is always there for Cloud to lend her support, and of course literally liberates him from his psychological circumstance…They couldn’t have succeeded in their quest to saving the world without one another

[@talmanes4589]

Their whole quest doesn't even start without each other.

[@oreichid]

ive been waiting on an analysis like this for so long tysm for making it and it being so well done!!! and the editing to put urself in the environments was a nice touch lol edit: OMG THE SONG AT THE END WAS SO GOODSDFHJGSDF

[@xanderscut]

Thrilled to hear you got so much out of it, you’re too kind! ❤️‍🔥

[@camazing21]

Like I promised you back in that quiet old town~ ❤️ This entire video was such a delight! Thank you so so much for taking the time to make it. I can only imagine the hours and effort needed to result in this masterpiece. The editing, the narration, the cosplay, the songwriting, the singing-- everything was perfect ✨️ I found myself smiling and laughing while watching, and yes I did have a fantastic day thanks to you and your video. You're awesome man, I appreciate you 🙏🫶 See you in a few years for part 3!

[@xanderscut]

This is literally the best comment I could have ever received! Thank YOU for letting me know how much the video meant to you, genuinely makes my day! ❤️‍🔥

[@anabanana4526]

Your dedication and commitment to the cosplay as you narrated got a sub from me.

[@simaorocha1326]

I love the fact that everyone recognises maximiliand dood has a big ff7 fan or a crazy ff7 fan😂

[@YelenaSkunky]

I'm not even a Final Fantasy fan, and I'm still impressed by this video. Makes me want to know more about the games in question.

[@artsyafroqueen]

Love this video, love your cosplays. I feel like I CAN understand why people ship Clerith but I'm sorry, while they're sweet and yes Cloud does love Aerith, it's not in the same way he loves Tifa and no one can tell me different. The scenes in Gongaga solidified all of it for me. I've shipped them since I first saw Advent Children (which my introduction to FFVII 10+ years ago) but these games have really upped the ante on them. She has really helped bring him back from the brink every time. Even though it's an optional date, the fact that in my game they kissed, I screamed like the little girl I am lol. I can't wait to see what they do with them in the third game. Also, Cody Christian and Britt Baron have done phenomenally and I just... *cries* I can't wait for the third game.

[@xxlyn505]

Huh Cloud loves Aerith?

[@artsyafroqueen]

@@xxlyn505 yes, she’s his friend.

[@thomasmuscat6527]

I always did get the importance of Cloud's relationship with Tifa in the original game and even what is picked up in 'Advent Children,' but I admit I was always a bit torn between her and Aerith. After 'Remake' and a second 'Rebirth' playthrough, I'm squarely on Team Tifa now. As you pointed out, they really add a lot to her character and amplify how much she and Cloud mean to each other.

[@AppleJackSix]

Dude props, great song. I’m reminded what Yuffie said in the Ancient Temple about Cloud being unhinged: “Tifa just needs to crack the whip.” Then later in the temple Tifa stops cloud from killing one of the Turks. I’m losing count how many times she’s stopped Cloud from killing people. Yuffie is there for a couple of Cloud and Tifa’s important scenes. She’s listening at the door in Gongaga(“Kiss”) and is at the reactor in Nibelheim. If you do her Skywheel date you learn she knows Tifa had a crush on him before. I didn’t realize until watching this video that she’s sort of a voyeur into their relationship.

[@renegade637]

You know, I'll go to videos where the topic of how grey a certain part of the story is and, when I mention about how sections of the Ultimanias are Cloud x Tifa, I get attacked. It's videos like this that I appreciate because KZbinrs like Xander, TanaGreekNose, and HappyCatKZbin all understand why Cloud and Tifa are meant to be a couple.

[@nesty8797]

Am i crying? Yes, i am, the video was... just something else! Great job. I really love this couple, i mean... i loved them since i played original game back in the day... remake and rebirth have been giving them such a BEAUTIFUL relationship...! It's so beautiful, flawed, romantic and real... like peak romance writing here between Cloud and Tifa. Great job for your video! It was beautiful and fun at the same time!!! And the song, OH THE SONG! congrats for it! because i was like this 🥺😢😭when listening to the song

[@xanderscut]

That's so good to hear, thanks for the postive feedback! Genuinely makes my day to see others connecting with this video, your kindness does not go unappreciated! Take care and have a great rest of your day!

[@Manja1989]

Cloud and Tifa = Love

[@Loner0410]

I mean when you think about it, everything they have ever known and loved has been destroyed or killed in some way or another, and the only things they have left are each other. People can say what they want about his relationship being romantic or just a strong family like one, but nonetheless, they've truly lost everything. Their parents, their home, their friends, Tifa lost the bar and her home, Cloud lost himself and was tortured and experimented on. Through all of that, the only thing that they had through all of it was each other, so you could see why their relationship is the strongest one in the game. Also, love your Tifa cosplay

[@kuraudoi]

OHHHH XANDER I LOVE THIS SO SO MUCH

[@Jammineyeonline]

The ship war is separated by people who understand the plot and people that are stuck in the netative!

[@Miiis_98]

Thank you for this awesome video, loved your appreciation for the importance of their relationship. They're definitley the most developed and captivating couple. They made an cliché trope (the childhood friends to lovers) sooo much more intriguing. I always immediately feel the tension and hype, when they have a moment alone, especially because they have such a strong presence together. They really nailed the progress and realism of their development. There's this constant longing for each other, but a big wall, that stops them from getting closer. Yet slowly the wall is breaking and you can feel and see it with their body language aswell. From doubting each other and confusion in Kalm, where they're standing far away in the room (very distant), to later being vulnerable with each other, closer then ever (in Gongaga almost kissing) and calming each other with a simple hand gesture. The makers really care about Tifas and Clouds relationship, it's beautifully fleshed out, but it has it's ups and downs and where part 2 ended, with tifa not talking to cloud at all...that really makes me excited for their relationship in the third game.... (I just really hope they get their well deserved happy ending together)

[@xanderscut]

Totally agree! Thanks for the watch and so glad you enjoyed! ❤️‍🔥

[@walteranurantha5014]

It's no wonder why Cloud kissed Tifa who can save his sanity away from Sephiroth's influence^^ Also the music near the end of the video is the cherry on top of this topic👌

[@renoir2616]

2:01 considering how many times sephiroth tries to put cloud against tifa (even trying to kill her himself) in rebirth shows how accurate this is, cloud would be long gone without tifa

[@SociallDrinkerr]

I just started my FF journey with remake and rebirth recently and I immediately got behind Cloud and Tifa, great vid man!

[@SociallDrinkerr]

Also banger song at the end🔥

[@helene-chan7777]

Legit best video I have seen on the subject. It was smart, fun and sincere and so respectfully and well done that you manage to label your video "cloti is canon"and have line ZERO shipwar comments, which is a miracle. Your song really capture the essence of this relationship that will always be my number one in a video game. ❤

[@xanderscut]

I'm thrilled you enjoyed both the video and song! Thank you for your lovely comment, take care! ❤️

[@helene-chan7777]

@@xanderscut okay, forget what I Saïd, there IS many warship comments. There Always is. Why do I even pay attention to comments anymore....😒

[@SaberRexZealot]

The Tifa cosplay hahaha

[@roxas105ful]

I respect it. I question it, but I respect it

[@dr.edwardrichtofen365]

I respect it. You don’t see any men (if at all) attempt to cosplay her. It fits him well, I’d argue

[@beans_renzo]

Really enjoyed this video from the editing, the cosplay, & the song at the very end! I could tell how much effort went into this & the video got me excited for Part 3 of the game; which won’t be out for another 3 yrs 😂 you have definitely earned a sub!

[@xanderscut]

Thanks so much! Ditto on Part 3, I'll definitely be back to cover that!

[@liammcnicholas918]

Part 3 is gonna be the Return of the King of video games.

[@lunad.05-10]

I wish at the end of FF7 game whatever title it was SE will finally do the final chapter of this story, I really wish cloud and tifa get married and have a children on their own , so the war between cloti and clorith are finally over. ❤😊

[@A.D.I.D.A.S-916]

This is the first video I’ve ever seen of this channel & I wanted to say the second you came on screen in the full Tifa get up I had to sub lol

[@xfuie]

It's honestly not even a bias thing to know that these two are meant to be together, romantically and soulmates. Tifa's importance to Cloud's character is a pivotal moment and why we even have FF7 and Cloud as the main character ❤

[@happylove9502]

thanks for letting me use this song

[@lemon-lee7901]

I tried giving a watch of the ...." Response" someone gave and I stoped as soon as they said that tifa was gaslighting cloud. Anyway love to the video and I'm sorry the unfortunate side of the fandom has found your video. Love Cloti and love your analysis ❤

[@Xenafan2022]

Omg your cosplay in Mt. Nibel and on the bridge ☠️ like these serious moments and then it’s your little mini self in those scenes!! 😹 love it

[@BrianYix]

Square should sponsor your post.

[@deewdrops]

I love everything about this video. The first ffvii media I consumed was advent children, and then I played crisis core that built my foundation of cloti and zerith. I’ve always loved cloud and tifa interaction because they seem so *human* compared to most couples I’ve seen in the media, and even as a kid I found the subtlety of their relationship beautiful and found myself rooting for them. I love aerith as a character, but I just don’t find her and cloud as a couple interesting enough because for me it’s like the typical brooding guy and cheerful girl dynamic I’ve seen countless of times everywhere. It’s like, they made her so charming that ‘of course’ your main character would fall for her. Tifa’s story on the other hand, would seem small and dull in comparison. Yet she is one of the most grounded characters in the series, she might not be as mysterious and special, but her relationship with cloud makes the most sense because for me, a realistic relationship isn’t perfect. You don’t fall head first into it, you don’t change overnight for it, but you *do* work for it, struggle with it, and fight to protect it. All these qualities are present in cloud and tifa’s relationship. They simply endure and persevere ❤

[@elfiekjn]

CLOTI is my favorite couple in FF7. I love them so much. Thank you for making this video🥰

[@BardockSkywalker]

Is it bad that i wanna hear a duet version of that genuinely beautiful song you gave us in the end?

[@xanderscut]

Genuinely makes my day to hear you say that! I'll keep your lovely idea in mind!

[@BardockSkywalker]

@xanderscut I mean, the lyrics are basically Duet material... GREAT Duet material, at that Sidenote, I'm surprised you didn't mention their date at Gold Saucer in this video, considering... Well, ya’know...

[@xanderscut]

@@BardockSkywalker Thanks again! I definitely considered covering the GS date but figured the direction of the video was more about their overall plot relevence and none of the GS dates have any bearing on the plot. Still an amazing scene though that I'd love to cover in the future!

[@BardockSkywalker]

@@xanderscut Cool

[@liammcnicholas918]

Now I’m imagining them singing it together…🥺