Xbox Series S is Ruining Games - Inside Games

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[@HH-hd7nd]

12:30 Computer gaming has always been way bigger than console. There are so much more people who play on computers, and that is not even a new development. Even back in the 1980ties everyone was playing on computers - C64, Amiga, Atari ST. And then, beginning in the 90ties, people switched to PCs instead. PC gaming is and always has been way bigger than consoles.

[@jqwright28]

I feel like anyone who buys a Series S would understand they're paying for less, so they are getting less. And if I was a Series S user, I'd rather at least get to play a game like BG3 solo, than wait on a mp feature I wouldn't even use, personally.

[@jynxce]

Just think about Series X users (like myself) getting royally screwed over for actually having the capable machine for running the game, and being restricted from it. Thankfully, PS5 and PC gamers (like myself :) aren't being penalized for being core gamers just wanting to game w/o the self inflicted complexities MS has introduced into its ecosystem.

[@thefilmdirector1]

@@GavinAeilts BG3 isnt even graphically impressive lmao.

[@NGEvangeliman]

Nah you underestimate the average cod and sports game player.

[@jackthelad6386]

Nah they won't understand some people are idiots. Had a small argument with a colleague where he thought the s competes with a rtx 3080

[@Cole-ft4rr]

I have an S, and this is exactly what I expected. Although I also have a ps5, switch, and steam deck so this is not my only console. Maybe I’d feel different if it was, but tough!

[@justhere4thecomm3nt54]

Series S wasn’t the reason Gotham knights was shit, that dev should mind their business and try making a Batman game that actually has Batman in it

[@MrLeerolljankins]

Oh please it’s just lazy ass developer’s making excuses cuz they don’t want to do their fu€king jobs and actually optimize their games if metal gear solid v could run on an Xbox 360 and ps3 back in the day it can run on even the worst potato hardware which is what devs actually used to do before they got lazy like every other triple A developer out there

[@zeekay9941]

"Microsoft is forcing us to optimize our games when we wanna lean on the crutch of letting power just brute force through issues." - developers

[@Crazy_Gamer_OG]

You shouldn't need more than 8GB of RAM for 1080p gaming, & the series S gives them 8.5GB & I highly doubt they even use that much. The problem is devs being more vocal & whiney about it than they need to be.

[@ChefBoydrdee]

I agree They are getting paid right?

[@nathanfernandez69]

When Bruce said X then rolled it back and said twitter made me 🤣

[@lordderrick1787]

i love how people talk about owning their ps5 and top tier pc yet they dont think about people who cant afford top pc or the ps5 with their 70$ games that come out once a year. i am so happy i can afford a series s where i can buy games cheap or use ultimate to play games for one price. there are alot of people who dont have beefy pc and i am annoyed that alot of games require soo much specs to play their games. i understand that they look great and stuff but some games just arent optimized at all for people who cant affor high end specs.

[@l0c0latin06]

Thank u😂 only ppl talking don’t even own a S so idk y there talking😂

[@spacehornet]

For once a big company (Microsoft) is trying to be pro consumer by giving lower cost gaming options to their community and simplifying the experience across their platform. And yet they get dogpiled on because a few developers are upset they have to make their games work without sucking up your system memory like a hot dog eating contest. It's like if people complained about congestion in a city and the city planners said the real problem was all the poor people riding buses and not their garbage road network.

[@RyhanLDN]

​@@iRadinVersethe series S isn't for poor people, it's for lazy people. The vast majority of poor people like us grew up buying and selling/trading games. Series S is digital only so you can't sell or trade anything you buy. Yes the box is like 150 quid cheaper, but that easily pays for itself in games if you buy the X and just trade in games to fund new ones. Buying the S because it's cheaper is a short-sighted and idiotic decision.

[@eff_gee321]

​@@RyhanLDNU're a bit short soghted in here, bcz things changed, there's this thing called gamepass. And most ppl who got an S aren't gonna buy a game for 80$, they're gonna get a 6 mounth sub instead. Even hardcore gamers can live with buying 1-2 games a year (those rare ones not on the pass) and enjoy the rest from the pass.

[@ramy8700]

​​@@RyhanLDNwhat are you talking about lol? The S costs $220, while the X costs over $400. You're lucky if you get 50% back on used games. So that's 7-10 used games sold to make up the difference. Also think about the people who are casual gamers who may only play 1-2 games only with friends. They could care less about reselling games.

[@onofriopiccolino5166]

Pro consumer my ass. It’s only $100 less than a PS5 and has half the power and half the storage

[@johncapewell7520]

All anyone who got a series S had to do was be patient, save up a little longer and get aseries X. It was obvious problems were going to happen when having to cater for a game release on and inferior console. Series X owners should not be made to suffer when we forked over more money for our consoles.

[@sunnywagle8995]

I like how “Series S” is responsible for ruining games even though GTX 1650 is 2nd most used graphics card here in 2023 according to Steam. Meanwhile Switch still rocking with a hardware that is weaker than my phone.

[@peykaccount6837]

being the second most used gpu does not mean these users play the latest games, they probably just play cs go. so your comment is stupid

[@drummer7557]

The Series S shuts down during Alan Wake 2, Immortals Of Aveum, and even Robocop etc. The system can't even handle those games at lower resolutions without shutting itself down. Mainly from the size. So even though it's equivalent to the 1650, isn't good. Also the 3050 is actually the most popular card in PC's atm.

[@travisziegler5011]

I think Microsoft should try to get creative and figure out a way to use the storage slot to add an expansion card to boost the CPU/RAM/GPU (whichever is the real bottleneck) kind of like what Nintendo did on the N64. They can call it the Xbox S+ Xpansion card and have a second storage slot on it so you can still add the additional storage. But realistically, the Series S isn't lower specs than many PCs that seem to have no issues running games with Low settings. I 137% blame the developers for their issues.

[@AceUkiyo-YoutubeisBuggy]

Blaming devs make you a dumb ass when Microsoft executives forces developers to code for 4 systems instead of 3. Being a game developer is way harder than your job which mostly consists of asking "do you want fries with that". Microsoft deserves to lose games because of their insistence on feature parity.

[@xbotnpc420]

@@AceUkiyo-KZbinisBuggy simmer down francis

[@marioenriquez46]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@AceUkiyo-KZbinisBuggyyou def a boot licker if you think coding is harder than being a pilot or an engineer or any other labor intensive job. Wow sitting on a desk for 7 1/2 hours writing code in ac is hard. Lazy people think like that

[@TimDespairBear11]

I get the concept but you’re still expecting series S Owners to go out of their way to buy this power expansion. The entire point of the console was being affordable and I don’t see that being cheap.

[@licksludgee]

The N64 was a ram expansion, same as the sega Saturn. We're not so limited by RAM these days as we were mid 90s. There's no tangible way to physically upgrade soldered silicone without recalling all the devices and swapping to a more powerful board. It just wouldn't work.

[@robertojustus8567]

Whats ruining games are the big gaming companies getting lazier every year. They are used to releasing half baked games all the time and slowly patch it untill no one else complains about it. And its proven to be a succesfull strategy, all you need is a little bit of hype and you get a bunch of people paying overpriced games that are Full of issues. You pay double for being a beta tester 😂😂 Before they would let people test for free to fix issues, and aparently its a series S problem

[@BadgunmusicII]

Ever since I heard that Baldur’s Gate 3 wasn’t coming to Xbox because of Series S limitations, I knew this headline was coming. And as an Xbox fanboy, I have to agree. They need to sell a lesser version of games for the Series S because this is just too limiting and bad for Microsoft and Xbox’s brand. All this coming from someone so fanboy, I’ve had the same PFP of Sgt Johnson since I got it on Xbox Live Gold in the Halo 2 days.

[@tylerbeaumont]

Totally agree. If I had to choose between angering the lower paying Series S buyers or the high-paying Series X users, the S users would take the L. No doubt most of them would end up investing in a Series X anyways, and those who don’t aren’t gonna be high enough spenders to really made a difference business-wise. Not to mention a lot of Series S fans are likely to jump over to PS5 regardless what happens here. Microsoft should just cut their losses whilst they’re still in a somewhat decent position

[@kowaikokoro]

for me it was hearing about gta 5 needing 2 discs on xbox s, 1 to install the other to play when ps3 could do the same with 1 disc 😂and thats not even a last gen console

[@frank234561]

​@@tylerbeaumontThe Series S has vastly outsold the Series X. MS would be suicidal to ditch feature parity with Series X. Most of their user base is Series S. They dug in deep with this one.

[@BadgunmusicII]

@@frank234561 and the issue with all of this isn’t that we shouldn’t give the Series S Baldur’s Gate at all, it’s that Microsoft won’t allow for BG to be sold on either without split screen working on both. Without it the feature parity restrictions, BG could be on the X with Splitscreen and on the S without. Dont get me wrong, it would be kind of lame for someone with an S to miss out on splitscreen but it’s even lamer that we don’t get BG at all.

[@bishopsmith3796]

That's a xbox mandate. They wanted to do just that but xbox won't allow it

[@ritaora9532]

I always find it crazy how some developers complain but developers like EA,Activision,Microsoft ect don't complain

[@ritaora9532]

I almost forgot rockstar and netherrealm studios

[@TheBlakamon15]

The developers who adapt are the ones not complaining. From software has not once complained about series s.

[@deathtrooper2048]

​@@TheBlakamon15Fromsoftware can't make games run good on anything

[@Igor19485]

Because the ones you mentioned they do not care about quality of their games.

[@spinachtron]

Those are all publishers. I know this is an old comment but BG3 was a small title in terms of people working on it. Those massive publishers have the resources, money, and manpower to develop for multiple platforms simultaneously. It’s like how you see indies start out on pc then move to consoles one by one. If they’re lucky an indie gets picked up by someone like devolver digital who can help port their games with funding.

[@lunakurouwu3935]

I love the series s. Consoles where never supposed to cost that much.

[@Goukimane]

The NES was $200 in 1983 money which equates to over $600 now lmfao consoles have only gotten cheaper over time

[@l0c0latin06]

Yea u like it cuz your the only one here who actually has one bro everyone talking shit has a PS5 or a X😂😂😂

[@l0c0latin06]

These ppl are meat riders they see a video and just start riding

[@izbreez9615]

What's the point of having "the most powerful console in the world" if the power of it, is hindered by a less powerful console.

[@MegaManiee]

Let’s not forget that some games are poorly optimized and are releasing in unfinished states. Yes the series s is underpowered/ doesn’t have the horsepower but that may not be the only problem. I’m interested to see how star field plays on the series s

[@vikinghammer87]

The series S ruined this entire generation of gaming because every fucking developer has to gimp their game to ensure runs on 10-year-old hardware.

[@catbeans4685]

" There should only be 1 type of PC to make games for so it would be easier for devs and the players" Is this where we are heading? Gtfo.

[@ZeusTheIrritable]

I think that feature parity is a good goal, but I think there should be some mechanism for reducing or eliminating features on the S. Perhaps just a special permission request from a dev. Perhaps they can talk to Xbox engineers about the issue and let the engineers make recommendations to executives.

[@omg_RANCORS]

I feel like the different platforms would be like car companies telling you where to buy gas. If you buy a Ford you can only get gas from Shell. I think the time of the console wars is over. People would still pay to not have the headache a PC brings. It’s not a full computer, it’s a game console, you plug it in, put in the disk or download the game and play.

[@shugazi1]

series s is perfect as a side console for my ps5, had the series x for a year but I sold it

[@tom3852]

the fact they haven't released it as a mess on Xbox series s shows their integrity, if it was an ea title it would have been out already with a 3.0 scores due to poor performance and a shit storm of clips looking like roblox.

[@GeneFJacket]

Worth noting that the Series S (and X, and PS5) doesn't have dedicated VRAM, they have custom APUs with a RAM pool shared between the CPU and GPU, so that 8Gb on the Series S isn't even really 8gb (though the S actually has 10Gb, with 2Gb being allocated for the OS). On PC, the minimum spec for BG3 is 8Gb of system ram AND a minimum 4Gb of dedicated vram, so the Series S is 4Gb short, at least. It's not an apples to apples comparison, but it gives us a good idea of why Larian is having issues with the S.

[@dncewzrd]

We’re only 3 years into this console life cycle, and games are struggling to run on the hardware. Do we blame lazy devs or is the technology within the game development progressing rapidly? Games are looking good but not good enough to be struggling so much already, imo.

[@Yessiree3]

In your opinion… but what is it worth, you are not a developer, game optimization on such a variety of different consoles isn’t easy

[@dncewzrd]

@@Yessiree3 just an opinion, doesn’t need to be worth anything.

[@dncewzrd]

@@iRadinVerse I’m not saying that at all, I have a series s myself, so I understand. I’m just not understanding how we’re only 3 years into this console cycle and devs are already having issues.

[@dncewzrd]

@@Yessiree3 you’re not a developer either, so you or I have no idea how optimization works on these consoles.

[@BerticusBersht]

The main demo is about 90% of people who actually cant be assed with PC shit and just want to play games on their couch after working a real job. Thats actual majority of gamers.

[@alunstevenfennell1042]

Let’s be honest, Baulders Gate 3 is NOT graphically straining the Xbox S in any fashion, and is more than capable of playing more challenging titles, this is a split screening compatibility issue, more down to the coding of the S console video driver outputs, than hardware architecture. Xbox could easily go down the cloud gaming root with this game, but have decided correctly to go down the harder download to console route with this title. By the time Starfield and GTA 6 come out, Baulders Gate 3 will be well forgotten.

[@firyxx]

I honestly think the Xbox Series S is a good thing in the gaming industry to prevent game developers from becoming too lazy with optimizing their games. We're pretty much at the point where hardware shouldn't even be an issue anymore in order to produce good games.

[@exotic_677]

no its holding back next gen gaming

[@firyxx]

@@exotic_677 If next-gen gaming is all about graphics instead of making innovative gameplay, count me out.

[@exotic_677]

@@firyxx u make no sense that’s the whole point of next gen

[@firyxx]

@@exotic_677 You do realize that pretty much the majority of the PC Community are still running RTX 3060s and below right? Whats the point of making games when the majority of people cant even play them.

[@exotic_677]

@@firyxx bro we are talking about next gen consoles here why tf are you talking about Pc’s

[@StrengthScholar0]

If I'm going to be honest I don't think this is that big of a problem considering that starfield is running at 30 FPS on the main consoles. It's not like there's a ton of headroom on these consoles as it is.

[@reyblanco_]

ironically the series S sold incredibly well....

[@dammyoyesanya4656]

Still not selling better than the PS5

[@sanekibeko]

Shouldn't 16 GB be the standard now? 8 GB is a joke.

[@thefearmakerlive]

C'mon, we're talking about a 1/100 issue with the Series S & Baldur's Gate 3. Jedi Survivor ran better on Series S than PC, Diablo 4 runs great on Series S, in Split screen co-op, in fact Rod Ferguson took a picture of himself playing on Series S on the release date of the game. Hogwarts runs great on Series S, etc. Gotham Knights didn't run well on any platform on release, that's not a series S issue. People don't remember that the Divinity Original Sin 1 and 2 console ports came out a year after the PC versions. They had Split Screen co-op, 2 also had it so you could play online with 2 other friends while playing Solit Screen, just like Baldur's Gate 3. So Larian, who's an independent, mid size studio, who grew larger over the years of making BG3, have never had the resources for releasing on console the same time as PC. So them not having the resources to explicitly focus on making the Series S co-op work, which no one is arguing isn't more challenging, isn't some reason to abolish the Series S or forgo feature Parity with the Series X. It not coming day and date with the PlayStation version, was only a drawback to Larian fans (of which I'm one, but we were only a small portion of the console market,& i heve a ps5 & Series X) until Baldur's Gate 3 blew up on release, in terms of concurrent PC players, and amazing reviews in progress. If that hadn't happened, this wouldn't even be a major issue. It'd be like when Microsoft had a limited timed exclusive in The Medium, 5 people cared. As though i had it pre ordered on PS5, it didn't shoot up to #1 on the pre psn pre order charts until after the PC release, and fanfare the game received. 😮And if the Microsoft engineers, who are now working with Larian, figure the co-op out, it again becomes a non issue, and info Microsoft can just give to any developer having issues with the same problem. So yes, it sucks in this instance for Microsoft fans/users, but this isn't the norm, and shouldn't be treated as such. Nor is Yoshi Ps comments about the S specifically, and have been a thought of Devs for a long time. It's why big budget console exclusives are usually so much more polished than AAA cross platform games. Because you're making a game specific for one piece of hardware. It's why Everything from The Last of Us part 2, to Gears 5, besides the skill of the developers, take advantage of the hardware so much more, and look immaculate, and best in class, on release. All devs would rather work with 1 set of specs, so to reference the constraints of the Series S, with that statement, is just disingenuous.

[@emperorarasaka]

OUYA would have been great though with a SD Gen 2 re-release and a push for Android game development. Google should have jumped on this train instead of the whole Stadia thing.

[@albundy2609]

If Baldur's gate 3 can run on the Steam deck then it can run on the series S.

[@Buff_Cupcake]

Never drink your calories folks.

[@penfold-55]

Bad excuse. If tears of the kingdom can run on a console that is 2 console generations behind on the tech specs, this isn't a good excuse. I don't blame the developer, I blame the consoles development platform

[@Infinicat]

Hi, Series S owner here. For me, feature parity being the issue, I am willing to wait for my console’s version of the game to come out later or have feature parity patched in in a future update if it smooths out the process for others with the X. For me on a personal level, split screen is not a factor in game purchases as I only play games online or solo so I’ve no need for that feature. I realize I don’t represent everyone but if it makes things better to stagger releases and gives devs less headaches and bottlenecks then I’m all for waiting a while longer. I was already used to waiting on the One X for a long while before I was finally able to get the Series S. But to blame the Series S for all these issues is just plain stupid when you consider the sheer volume of variations of PC specs that exist.

[@ChefBoydrdee]

Agreed bro us Series S owners are being attack because we happy for our purchase…

[@Infinicat]

@@ChefBoydrdee I wonder who they would blame if the series S didn’t exist. They’d probably say it’s the 360’s fault 🤣🤣

[@ChefBoydrdee]

@@Infinicat lol they think it’s One S… it’s all fake outrage I had yet to play anything on Series S that I was at a competitive disadvantage or a next gen release they Ive been anticipating and got skip because it’s ToO wEaK

[@mistahbeardo]

I think "bottleneck" consoles are important because they keep games from getting ahead of the economy, let's face it the gpu economy is way too expensive for the common casual gamer. And the common dev workaround of games being artistic instead of realistic makes the games age better graphically and typically leads to longer lifetime sales. Additionally being on as many platforms and/or a wider range of PC hardware as possible can lead to a lot more copies sold (Minecraft and Battlebit anyone?). Overall it is a blessing and a curse and it all depends on which POV your glass is half full for.

[@Crazy_Gamer_OG]

bitcoin mining is what caused the GPU market to inflate like crazy, but yea I agree having a low spec system to help consumers is a god send

[@listofromantics]

Feature parity between the X & S also hampers Microsoft / Xbox's own 1st party developers and games, not just 3rd party games. From the jump, everything Microsoft first-party makes or develops has to be made with the limitations of the S in mind, NOT taking advantage of the power of the X or building with that in mind (while Sony has no such limitations on current gen hardware: you develop for the PS5 and that's it). Put another way, it's like going out to play with your friends as a kid, but your parents (Microsoft) say A) "you've got to take your slower, weaker brother along with you" (Series S), and B) "you have to include your slower, weaker brother in the games you play with your friends" (who are all faster, stronger, and more coordinated). Anyone who grew up with siblings will know exactly what i'm talking about.

[@7thsaga662]

Series S isn't ruining MY games. All of my emulation works perfectly.

[@terryhand4533]

Balders Gate, not important. Xbox and Bethesda made miracles work with Starfield. I'm a solo player. Don't have a crew, don't have gaming friends. Even the friends I have that game, I don't have as friends in my Microsoft account. . Don't care about PC's Balders gate, and Xbox's issues with the split screen. My Series S, through my personal mods, is more powerful, (despite being disc edition, because it's all going to digital anyway, and I don't need a scratched 'key' for my digital 'lock of a game) than Series X. That's what I love about it. I can build the exact console I want, with no restrictions, i care about. Series S is DAMN good! It saved me being a gamer.

[@zachdl1]

"Solidarity" is a funny way of saying "Monopoly". There is NO universe in which having only one company making consoles results in anything but more pain for players and developers alike. Very short sighted take

[@yetanotheraccount3361]

Series S killed my dog.

[@Jdp313]

I’m got one for 189 just wanted a halo machine in my living room.

[@ericdewitt2465]

I own both a PS5 and Series X. And honestly kinda wish that Xbox would just rip the bandaid off and get rid of feature parity. If developers are being held back from that, then MS needs to realize that in order to further grow their brand they should remove it. As having games or good games is king in the construct that is the console wars. One solution I would recommend is for MS to further invest in the cloud and use the cloud processing power to bring the S to a higher level of quality. They were trying to show how that works with Crackdown 3. So why not further utilize that tech?

[@SourBogBubble]

Xbox has 4k upscaling on old titles like the original RDR which is $30 for game of the year addition. No need for that 50 port thats coming out.

[@gsampson97]

I bought a ps5 last week because there was a big sale in the UK, still waiting on a decent xbox sale or bundle to buy

[@djones3021]

I got two ps5s and an series x and s all are collecting dust at the moment for the last 7 months no games being released are grabbing my attention on the Nintendo switch has been getting used regularly between totk and splatoon 3 and a little Mario kart sprinkled in

[@JuanitoMedz]

I wouldn't say is series s the one ruining gaming, I'd say is MS in general and xbox the ones who are ruining gaming! Since the very beggining of it!

[@AceArty23]

I love the series s, a lot of developers know how to optimize for it and some aren’t as savvy 🤷🏻‍♂️ I don’t want balders gate any way lol

[@jeveritt8398]

Diablo 4 is a ps4 and xbox one game so why would the series S be the limitation?

[@FellaGuy2]

Xbox could maybe bite the bullet and phase out the S in the next two years. Take the anger of the fans on the chin and hope good games speak for themselves.

[@redvoco02]

Yes devs are lacking skill but at the same time it's a weaker console I own one and I understand that. It's OK to launch without it

[@TylerKhan]

If the steam deck can play BG3 split screen through a translation layer. Then then the series S is more than capable of doing so as well. It considerably more powerful than the steam deck with better hardware even

[@mandisaw]

The fact that they were still coding the PC version close to launch (late review release), and that they said they haven't finished the PS5 version yet, tells me this is likely a red herring. They couldn't do simul-release, and wanted a public reason to delay XBox.

[@TylerKhan]

@@mandisaw exactly. They for sure weren’t about to drop on Xbox anyway during September due to Starfield. I think it’s an excuse to be able to not have to release so close to Starfield on Xbox. They don’t have to worry about it on PS5 since it won’t have Starfield. Their resources were spread very thin for BG3. Especially since they decided to develop for Macs too. Which is fine. Macs can game now and it’s nice to see really

[@mandisaw]

@@TylerKhan Mac development is also a "Blue Ocean" strategy, like with Starfield - fewer games on Mac, so less competition. Plus Steam Deck is Linux under the hood - adds a lot more potential users to the "should we develop for Mac/Linux?" calculation. People swan about Larian (or other devs) being "for the Gamers", and that's cool and all, but end of the day, it is always about business.

[@TylerKhan]

@@mandisaw i seriously couldn’t agree more

[@Seraphim190.]

I was literally thinking how these guys remind me of soy boys, then they started advertising for Soylean? 😅

[@waylanddavick9459]

We didn't get split screen for Halo Infinite either. Any guesses at why that might be? Anyone? Maybe Microsoft need to let certain features be exempt from parity. Splitscreen could easily be one of the features they don't require feature parity for. This is another failure for XBOX.

[@ZeroFamilon]

I agree. Besides who gives a rats ass about split screen in 2023? Online gaming just makes it unnecessary. Crazy to delay a game like BG3 for such a niche component that most won't even use. I know for a fact I wouldn't.

[@waylanddavick9459]

I would use splitscreen with my wife - sure. But. There isn't person who would buy Baldur's Gate 3 for which this feature would make them decide not to buy it. It would add value, but it isn't a critical feature in this kind of adult game the way it is for Lego Starwars which you would expect kids to play.@@ZeroFamilon Edit: All of that to say - we're on the same page.

[@spacehornet]

We always hear developers whine about how hard it is to make games that have slightly different hardware requirements. Sure, one platform might require more optimization, but that optimization would make the game better on all platforms if it had been included from the beginning. They've been doing this for decades on PC since every computer has different specs/hardware. It seems ludicrous that they could get this game working on Series X and not the very similar Series S. Cyberpunk 2077 had huge problems running on super powerful PCs. Was this because PCs are inherently inferior to consoles? Come on.

[@DigitalTiger74]

Release BG3 on the Xbox series X at launch and try to get it available for the series S ASAP. The 2 Xbox's are simular to having a weak gaming PC that can't run BG3 compared to a strong PC that can. If you don't or can't afford to buy top level gaming PC's or Consoles there is going to be some restrictions. No one should be surprised about that.

[@NATIK001]

Series S is both a great and a terrible idea. It allowed Microsoft to sell their new console to people who couldn't afford a full price new nextgen console, and it continues to allow them to sell to people with severely constrained budgets. However it launched outdated tbh. It just doesn't have enough RAM especially. With PC already showing us that 8 GB of dedicated VRAM is getting to be too little, and anyone wanting to play modern games on PC want 16 GB of system memory or more, putting PC's total memory count as a minimum at 24 GB for modern title. In this light the piddly 10 GB total memory of which only 8 GB is accessible to games and have to be shared between game data and graphics data is just woeful. Even when we consider that consoles are easier to optimize for than PC we still hit a point where there is just too much of a performance gap to optimize it away. The Series S choice will make Microsoft a ton of money and make a lot of the poorest gamers happy, but it will be a weight around the neck of developers and gamers outside that segment for this entire console generation. I think late this generation MS either have to give up the feature parity thing or devs will start to avoid the XBOX ecosystem all together because they simply cannot publish on it with those constraints.

[@HarryTurney]

The Series X has 10GB of RAM that is shared between the GPU (VRAM) and the System, split between 8GB that runs at 224GB/s and 2GB that is 56GB/s. So say Baldur's Gate 3 needs 8 GB of as a MINIMUM of PC, that is just the system ram. The GPU then needs another 4GB ov VRAM (970 or RX 480) making it 12 in total which the xbox series s doesn't have.

[@bigboyhova]

Lol all the experts

[@bobbysworldrox]

Everyone here saying to phase out the series S which is a dumb idea. It's easier and more practical to simply release an updated 16gb ram model with 1 terabyte and optional USB disc tray or something

[@Rockxz]

I think it would've been fine if they just got rid of features on the series s like either 30fps instead of 60 or make it so it can't do splitscreen in some games. Though it may hurt it in some ways if a parent buys It for their kid and they can't play newish games in splitscreen.

[@joxer]

Shared Ram on the console isn't the same as the dedicated PC memory and dedicated graphics memory.

[@niks660097]

Its 100% RAM issue, BG3 is much more heavy on CPU and ram than GPU, digitalfoundry had a very good analysis where in late game it would drop to less than 30fps in main baldur city with 20% GPU usage on 4090 and 13900k..

[@ShirokiMaki]

These days it feels like all Microsoft's real attention is just on Game Pass, while Xbox proper is relegated to second class citizenship in MSland, third class for Series S

[@ezmkmone53]

Boy im happy i got the series x

[@RobertCoxEsq]

Boy I'm happy I was able to snag a PS5 from a coworker

[@MrScotty5877304]

Microsoft really done this to themselves in respect of sales of the series X. Most gamers want physical media but when you buy up all the big devs then release those games day one on gamepass for a small monthly fee. Then to add to that you release a much cheaper console that those games will work on for a much cheaper price. Then ontop of that you say those games should play more or less the same across both consoles why woukd you buy an X? Gamers love games so if they can get one console cheap and put the money saved towards a PS5 meaning from then on in they are covered for all major games releasing then thats what gamers will do!

[@DontTrustThemSnakes]

9:50 exactly , preach sister , there is NO NEED for an Xbox

[@jasbob]

Haha wth thats like saying nintendo steam deck and oculus are ruining games

[@ocha-time]

They need to lower the price and then remove the insistence that both Series S and X have to have identical experiences, and then Series S will be just fine. As it is, it's already fine, it's just a bad price. Why would someone pay $350 for a black Series S when a digital PS5 costs another $50? That's stupid. That's a stupid ask. If a game can't run Series X games, just let it stream them instead.

[@michaelm3512]

I think the problem is Xbox Series S games costing the same as Series X right out the gate. I understand games are optimized for both systems but it doesn’t make much sense to spend $70 on a series S game and still be limited in its ability

[@salvation7362]

This is why Starfield will only run at 30fps on consoles and was delayed by a year. They are focusing on making games playable on the series S and then it gets released as is on the series X. There should have been a expiration date on when this "feature parity" promise would expire. There is no officially supported split screen in Halo Infinite as promised for this exact reason, people have found a workaround sure but Microsoft have remained silent on this fact because they dare not patch it out or face the wraith of their limited player base. Consoles have been holding back PC ports for a majority of games for years and now Xbox owners are getting a taste of what we've been going through. Welcome!

[@KaiLordZA]

As an Xbox player, I'm glad that BG3 isn't releasing on Xbox early next month because I'll be too busy playing Starfield - the game that most Xbox players are more hyped for anyway. I have no doubts that Starfield will run great on both Series X/S because Todd Howard even said that he mostly plays it on series S at home and it plays great. The people that will try to downplay the performance are the same people that have a clear bias against Xbox anyway so its par for the course

[@eddygonzalez7174]

Todd also said 16x the resolution.

[@KaiLordZA]

@@eddygonzalez7174 And? Sean Murray said alot of things that didn't come true in NMS and now look at that game

[@eddygonzalez7174]

@@KaiLordZA He got flaked for that. Also you are comparing a AAA company with and indie studio. Different standards.

[@KaiLordZA]

@@eddygonzalez7174 Sorry but regardless the same standard applies to indie and AAA developers. So far Starfield is turning out to be 100% legit

[@patrickmc8779]

I have a question. Does the pc version has this split screen capability?

[@mandisaw]

Better question: how many console RPG players use split-screen co-op?

[@japhetaguirre4880]

​@@mandisawMaybe they're rare like the unicorn. Haha

[@SheolAbaddonus666]

I'm not going too lose any sleep because I can't play Bladur's Gate 3. I'm not a D&D nerd. I'd rather play a game than read it or watch it.

[@Tammyisthebestmovieever]

Soylent ad...

[@speedotheguido1014]

I thought that from the day it was announced...what a hindrance for all third party developers

[@Whisky_4_1]

i don't blame the series S, it serves a purpose. i blame the policy. xbox should allow the series s to be the kid console for free-to-play and sports games, and market the series X as "the most powerful...." you get the idea

[@Joe0079SpaceWarrior]

Sometimes I just feel like mankind is getting stupider

[@NostromoDuex]

So what's the difference for Nintendo who are probably going to release a similarly powered console next year? Is it software? Loyalty?

[@jt2749]

You can only play mario 77 on Nintendo

[@jakethatdumbkid7516]

Nintendo will only release one version of their main home console and will have a major install base. The switch sold amazingly and there's only one. The Xbox series s has to have the same features as an Xbox series x while using the same disc, storefront, UI, and be baked into the same download off a server. If you wanna release an Xbox series x game then you must develop for two consoles rather than one which is more work for less money in the long run.

[@mandisaw]

Nintendo *does* have 2 consoles - "handheld" and "docked" mode on the Switch. And devs are required to meet feature parity between them, despite lower specs in handheld mode. But somehow the giant install base (3x PS5 & XBox S/X, combined) quiets the complaints.

[@mandisaw]

​@@jakethatdumbkid7516 Nah, Switch devs also have to figure for two spec-levels, and they just do it. I think the BG3 team couldn't work on both console versions at once, and they opted for PS5 for whatever reasons (larger market, no head-to-head competition at launch).

[@mandisaw]

@@Packin-Heat Handheld vs docked mode has a lot of knock-on effects, mainly stemming from power consumption needs. Same physical hardware doesn't matter, if it's a different target profile, it's functionally another "device" you've gotta optimize against.

[@SnowOrShine]

Game dev: This combined with Xbox's insane user management makes it a total pain in the balls to work on You can boot any game on Xbox without signing in, sign in part way through gameplay and THEN save your game This causes SO many headaches and is an insane, pointless feature that Xbox insists you support. Every other console requires you to sign in before launching a game

[@mandisaw]

Come off it, late-login was solved by web over 2 decades ago. It's just another task on the list

[@agent666ptc]

series s should have been an x without a disc drive. This is ridiculous. I'm a die.... really really hard Xbox fan, but that shit was dumb..... in retrospect.

[@CrossplatformGamerMasterRace]

It's not really the GPU it's more the lack of memory it has a 30% more powerful GPU than One X but 2GB RAM less and it's a big shame because otherwise it would of been the One X killer i.e would run games way better and have support for all enhanced titles. To make matters worse unlike previous consoles the Series consoles have segmented RAM pool for 2GB CPU/8GB GPU.

[@bigboyhova]

Just because some budget and time constraint devs are spewing nonsense does not make it true. All games are designed at pc minimum, which is lower than S even today. The S is capable I have both the s and ps5 and the s is perfect for gamepass, lower power consumption and the graphic differences are nothing, I can just buy a new gaming pc if that mattered.

[@Juhinvr]

Well you gotta realize the consoles are also bare bones minimizing power to the maximum just to run game and has no graphic settings. They actually do have to do complete optimization for the consoles it’s not like they just throw the settings on low and upload it.

[@jaxedoval1884]

Ff16 ps5 exclusive at 720p 60fps(only in battle) or forspoken with 45fps it sounds like developing for one console only sure is doing the trick

[@gzzuss]

Probably lost halo split screen too but I think that in the end of the day S is really positive for Xbox numbers

[@sir_ridley388]

Got to stay limber with those mental gymnastics Lawrence. if we're all old enough to remember the Ouya

[@xraidx25]

Tbh with all the gains Microsoft has made recently I feel they should allow S users a upgrade to X version for trade in of original value and you the customer pay the excess for the X, cause lets be real S users only got the S cause price of the X was to much, but with some years past the cost is down and quantity is there I believe you could drop 100 plus your S for the X. (random numbers, I am not looking at actual prices when typing this)

[@tinytimbo456]

Even the xbox one s was creating problems with development, and i don't blame the workers.. And i want one solid system but it's the same with car manufacturers.

[@Tyrant180]

This makes me sad...I really like my series s

[@waxveasle]

Me to. I have a gaming pc and a series s for some casual gaming and as a mediacenter. It is a great little machine for what it is.

[@goldlionx2380]

How many pc players play split screen on bg3?

[@zatorith.]

One thing that also probably holds back the series S in memory department is that (if i remember right) the graphics and system memory are shared, so the cpu and gpu have to fight over those 10 gigs

[@j_tylor_captylor3822]

it is an even odder situation with the RAM on Series S.. Uses the Xbone model of part of RAM is Slower for running the OS. Memory. 10GB GDDR6 128 bit-wide bus Memory Bandwidth. 8GB @ 224 GB/s, 2GB @ 56 GB/s

[@stateofhibernation]

I remember someone i knew trying to sell me on the ouya, claming it to be the next best thing and will take the gaming world by storm 😂

[@redvoco02]

Honestly theres no real reason to get an X though no good exclusives

[@MrScotty5877304]

Got a ps5 at launch and honestly with every big exclusive coming to gamepass I thought why bother with the series X and I can't be alone. Grabbed a series S aslong as I can play starfield and forza I'm happy with my purchase xbox literally has zero other games I'm hyped for

[@MrBeefTot187]

Devs are liars flat out! I have a 970 and a i54770 and I run bg3 at 60fps the series s is 100X better then my pc

[@michaelbrower3623]

I want baulders gate 3 😭 (only next gen console I have is series S)

[@ethanbendler7352]

I plan to play starfield on My xboxone s, streamed through ultimate. Cant wait

[@towerdragon4487]

I already have a PS5 I went a head a Purchased a Series S and i love it

[@robbiem6397]

man how is starfield gonna run on the S?

[@kindboat5396]

Good optimization - after all Cyberpunk 2077 has a pretty great 60 fps mode on series S kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIKtm4xnpqlrlcU .

[@DadeHudson93]

Isn't starfields minimum RAM 16GB on the PC? How the hell are they going to get it to run on a 10gb console

[@Crazy_Gamer_OG]

It's already running on the Series S, Todd Howard already confirmed it. If they can get Starfield to run there's no reason why any other game shouldn't work as well.

[@DadeHudson93]

@@Crazy_Gamer_OG that's good to hear man, I have one myself and I was getting kind of worried

[@dncewzrd]

If I remember correctly, the Series S is meant to be the successor to the Xbox One S, and the Series X, being the successor to the One X. A lot more confusing than how Sony did it.

[@rudelechture740]

Forreal. Why did Microsoft start with a "360" on this second console which already weird as fuck. Xbox 2,3,4 ect would have been just fine.

[@jipowrld]

Thank god i have a ps5 and series s