XCOM: Long War [Mod] - Why Play?

[@CatAtomic99]

Literally the best mod I've ever played.

[@Canaris3]

Long War is one of the reasons that PC will always be superior to consoles. Its like completely another game, that can kick your ass even if you were a vanilla Xcom veteran

[@irou95]

True! played enemy unknown through like 5 times and had to restart long war like 10 times before i started getting good.

[@jacktaylor4191]

The better way to say that is that vanilla was too easy and exploitable. Long War teaches you how to play it right and give it respect the way the original wasn't designed to demand. If you play Long War like you would the original whether vanilla or Enemy Within it's probably going to kick your ass on any difficulty after a few months at max. This means less exploits of researchers/scientists, lack of spam for troop training, resource management on the field and in the grand-scheme, the far greater need for captives, research planning, grand-scheme planning, troop builds(skill abuse and relearning quite a few), troop management on the field, explosive/gear usage, shiv usage, satellite deployment styles, why you need to kill EXALT quickly, why you need to win the air-war, playing every goddamn mission, playing terror missions RIGHT, base-defense, learning how to take on 6 times your size early and efficiently, alien research, alien leaders, and higher spawns for all.ALSO how to stay sane on not only the final missions, chrysalids (holy fuck you will cry at best in some cases if you are a perfectionist), and trying to take out some missions that are so far stacked against you you will once again... cry... and the very common regeneration mechanic. Well I didn't name it all but this should convince you of at least one thing. It's a lot of things to learn/relearn.

[@irou95]

Jack Taylor though in long war snipers are still op. i always use 3 snipers and people with high defence and just pwn the enemies

[@Occone10413]

irou95 They are op in real life also. Working as intended :)

[@watayukikimihyra7132]

irou95 Well, they did say "if you find yourself in a fair fight, you failed at planning"....Working as intended (I guess ?)

[@p0tat0handgun45]

It seems that the mistake a lot of people are making when doing LPs of Long War is mistaking the AP grenade for a completely new item, and it really isn't, it is just a namechange from the spike grenade in the base game.

[@ShaunCarn]

+P0TAT0HANDGUN Needle Granade?

[@p0tat0handgun45]

Alexandre Carneiro Yeah, sorry I got the name wrong, I never use it in the base game.

[@skynet159632]

+P0TAT0HANDGUN THERE IS A NEEDLE GRENADE?!

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@skynet159632 Autopsy a Chryssalid and you can make them.

[@CravenTHC85]

I got this game in the recent humble bundle, and I never even considered that there was a modding community for it. I'm quite glad that I found this video. I can't wait to play this mod.

[@Klerik131]

Just so you know, pilots only get xp if you rename them

[@EnterElysium]

Woops, yes! Awesome feature.

[@Rayalot72]

Klerik AU that's dumb, is it still the case? I seem to be gettinh leuts and capts without it.

[@TheZedman5000]

I was playing through my campaign that's I believe is around October at this point. I damaged a Raider-class UFO to the point that it landed. Being a Medium UFO, I thought that it must be easier than the March Harvester, June Harvester and August Terror Ship I plowed through (after they landed) without anyone dying (one sniper got knocked unconscious but Jon Daham, my Medic, stabilized her. We'd not even entered the Terror Ship yet.). Anyway, the UFO was very close to the Skyranger. I advanced along with my 7 L/CPLs and 1 SGT as the UFO loomed on the horizon. I heard the sound of Mutons, a faint Cyberdisk and the expected Outsider sound, as well as one I'd never heard before. As my Scout inched ever closer to the UFO, grabbing 7 meld from a canister, 5 of the scariest aliens I'd ever seen burst out, backed up by familiar, much squishier, Mutons. My rocketeer immediately readied his rocket, firing it directly into crowd, killing nothing but damaging the pack well enough I felt confident in my abilities to shoot them up, but the 5 new creatures caused my Rocketeer to panic as they ran forwards, nearly trampling my scout in the process. Naturally, she hauled back for the nearest cover but was gunned down by Mutons. Nearly dead, she crawled behind a fallen tree as the rest of the squad began gunning down Mutons. The Scout ended up bleeding out after a lucky Muton shot hit her in cover and our Rocketeer avoided the same fate by one turn. The Sniper took pretty much every kill as she was the only one to be at full health (Red Fog made it nearly impossible to survive this mission). After the Berserkers had fallen a Cyberdisc emerged and wrecked all our cover with a grenade but fell to our last rocket and some gunner fire. The Outsiders joined the party (only two, thank RNJesus) and got critted by a flanking gunner and our Sniper. Hardest mission I've ever done in XCOM, Berserkers really are dangerous. Turns out I agroed the 4 pods of enemies at once, as they were all packed inside (outsiders, Mutons and berserkers x2, and Cyberdisc and 2 Drones. Might've also been a Seeker pod in there that got killed by the rocket.)

[@MisterBones2910]

Eternal pain.

[@sleep3417]

+CDog2910 i got 6 outsider aliens in a room :c it was my first long war, 10 hp, regen 3 hp each turn. and i got absolutely rekt, killed piles of squids, thin men and mutons before that.

[@peterwilianto30]

+Burnt Taco lol, once a ufo landed on my first month near my continent, and I pay a visit to check just to find almost 10 of thin men, 10 outsider, and 10 seeker waiting for me in the chamber while all my troops were just specialist yet.... THE HORROR......

[@Mugdorna]

+TheZedman5000 Scary. I did have 4 pods active on a LW mission last week. Luckily for me they were quite hesitant to rush me... 5 Thin Men, I moved to engage and activated 2XSectoid, 1 Mechtoid and Sectoid Cmdr pod, also a 5x drone pod. Next Alien term a 4x Muton Pod patrols into the melee....and last 2 Thin man seems to activate the 4 floaters in the UFO, I was very very lucky and managed to not lose a trooper....the 'only' 2 outsiders were a bit of an anti-climax. First mission to see Mechtoid, Beserker and Sectoid Cmdr....like an early Xmas surprise!!!! NOW it gets very hard

[@TukozAki]

So the « five scariest aliens I've ever seen » were two Bersekers, correct? Nice report BTW :)

[@coolhunter3]

Big reason i don't want to play this mod is the 6 to 12 person squad. I really don't like taking 5 minutes per turn. Plus i like that with a smaller squad you get more invested in every member.

[@bradleyhanson96]

the base game has you become more invested in your soldiers status and attachment to them, but long war needs you to leave that emotional attachment behind and manage an army. you are a commander after all...

[@coolhunter3]

Doesn't change the fact it takes way too long per turn for my liking.

[@lladerat]

Wow, this is like a complete new game. Thats why pc gaming rules.

[@SuperMrBentley]

***** Yeah. I regret buying both x-coms for ps3!!!!!

[@nickkatsaros6828]

+SuperMrBentley nah dude... dont regret it for buying X-COM for PS3. Regret for buying PS3 instead of PC

[@SuperMrBentley]

Nick Katsaros hahahaha very true xD

[@Will-px4qy]

It's really awesome to see how many ideas from this mod were taken and put into xcom 2, such things as armor and a few of the special items like special grenades. I like to think the developers saw good ideas and were humble enough to recognize them and pu them in the sequel

[@vahnn0]

I just wanna throw it out there that if you're only using one squad in base XCOM (as he suggests is the norm in his video) then you're doing it wrong!

[@Malakren]

vahnn0 the thing is that on regular game, the one squad is possible. specially if you want certain achievements medals.

[@Malakren]

vahnn0 the thing is that on regular game, the one squad is possible. specially if you want certain achievements medals.

[@dnw009]

vahnn0 Meh I think he's talking about your one A team and then not mentioning some smaller groups that are kinda slacking behind the top team that take on the easy and small missions.

[@ryanalving3785]

@@dnw009 Maybe, but I did the whole one squad type game, if you lose your A-team and you never leveled up a B-team you are pretty much toast. My most recent play (original version) I had to level up several teams while my A-team were out of action with injuries. It goes well, because when I lose guys it's less of a tactical hit.

[@namelessking2]

I can't believe that the developers didn't just add this into the game. Really makes the game look more complete and more in-depth.

[@MisterBones2910]

It's a lot harder and more complex. You wouldn't want any !FUN! in your triple-A game, would you?

[@Malakren]

Long war, Chrysalids.... /shivers man the first time I saw them they killed most of my unit in seconds. (1 turn)

[@dnw009]

***** They tend to bundle up so there's a good reason for taking your rocketeer on a map with chryssalids. :P One nice big rocket to take a big chunk out of all chryssalids health if not kill them entirely.

[@Malakren]

dnw009 yes. but we are talking about the first time you see them... you dont expect them to be what they are. with XP even a granadier can take them... or a grp of soldiers without moving

[@dnw009]

Davito Malak Unless your allready ingaged in a fight with another pod.

[@Malakren]

dnw009 L2R... but we get it you too pro thanks.

[@GusanGaming]

+Davito Malak Sorry for being late to the party but you don't mention Assault with close combat specialist can easily deal with them just nade them to make sure each shot is a kill

[@NiceGuyVsAsshole]

Now I see why we lost the war... thanks guys

[@observationsfromthebunker9639]

Yes, play Long War on Legendary Ironman and understand what happened to bring XCOM 2 into existence.

[@RunicRhino22]

Legendary ironman while heavily intoxicated

[@TheSpearkan]

Acid actually only causes the soldier to lose health when they perform an action that isn't hunkering down; this is particularly devistating against soldiers that can get free moves or rely on moving twice. Also, the devs have posted a hotfix on the Nexus forums regarding the "no armour health" where you need to download and replace a file, you don't need to uninstall the mod, simply copy-paste the file

[@EnterElysium]

Ah ha! Thanks for clarifying the acid, after a bit more playing came to conclusion that that must be it. Any idea what exactly determines meld yields, oh fountain of LW knowledge?

[@Gen0Granger09]

EnterElysium All units give a number of meld, with robotic units giving a bit more. These numbers are then rounded down to give you your meld count. Meld canister yields are dependent on the Alien's resources. Alien resources are restocked when the transport ship lands.

[@TheSpearkan]

Gen0Granger09 I believe the Meld given is one Meld per five aliens, but the yield also differs per alien. It's 0.3 Meld per Floater, 0.5 for Heavy Floaters and 2 per Mechtoid. Meld amounts per Meld container also increase per month to the point where it is possiblt to obtain 15 Meld per container (though I play with the Not-so-Long-War second wave installed)

[@pendraco2000]

mrs0019 the amount of meld you get off missions is more about how well the aliens are doing. if you're facerolling them repeatedly, you're gonna get a lot less meld per mission.

[@KittenyKat]

some of that tactical strategy was painful to watch. Like advancing two members of your squad so far ahead of the rest and isolating them. Or dashing almost the whole team. x_x

[@mrskwid1]

i really like that your making more types of videos then just let's plays. thanks.

[@anthonyfranken1306]

Big fan of XCOM. In relation to long war, I've seen what you have to do to install this mod, what a nightmare, you'd thought you didn't need a degree in computer sciences to utilize this mod? Press a button and it should do everything for you!

[@QwertyCaesar]

I played so much of XCOM and I was so interested until I saw them panicking like crazy. Soldiers panicking is the one solitary thing I absolutely hate. The concept isn't even bad, but the execution needs tweaking. When a Berserker Muton comes out of the crashed spacecraft, its fair for my pointman to panic. I don't think my pointman should exercise that panic by turning around and shooting at my sniper. I think I'll give it a shot, but I won't be surprised if I find myself save-scumming because my people keep shooting each other even without being mind-controlled.

[@NeoDemocedes]

In long war they don't shoot when they panic, they hunker down.

[@QwertyCaesar]

NeoDemocedes Yeah, I've been playing Long War for a few days and noticed that. Good change. Whole mod is pretty fantastic, though I admit I made a few changes that just were too jarring, like 10 sectoid corpses needed to do a sectoid autopsy.

[@NeoDemocedes]

Yeah it's brutal, but in a good way. 100% better than vanilla.

[@fdel456]

+IllCaesar I wonder wh all soldiers are fucking pussies. Someone dies at their side and they wanna their warm beds and hot milk with honey... WTF? If soldier were so weaklings maybe they would be no war at all.

[@lunarservant6781]

Ah I remeber playing xcom enemy unknown. My support died and my other support said "look, the outsider alien we needed to capture! KILL IT!" I've never been so pissed

[@chrispygingerpie]

I have played the orignal XCOM gameand it was amazingly hard, i am nearly finishing the base game of Enemy Unknown and was recognmended this for Enemy Within! I think I will try this out, looks a lot better and I hated having to pick out of three countries... great video!

[@agentindiana3415]

ChrispyGingerPie You like?

[@kasonr.3624]

This mod changed so much of my playstyle. I never used to use scopes, but now they're my most needed resource. I never used to use pheonix or laser cannons. Now, however, I'm taking down abductors just to fund my next few purchases. I used to meticulously complete every mission that went my way, but now I wait and bide my time, hoping against hope that I don't have to fend off a terror crew. Seriously, this mod will change (and end) the lives of your troops.

[@RandomJeanc]

I just reviewed this game in honor of the sequel coming in November.I linked to this video in my description to tell people about your excellent in-depth look into this mod. I hope you don't mind :)

[@derrickbonsell]

SHIVS from the start make a lot more sense, it's not like we couldn't build one with the technology we have now anyway.

[@SCPHYsicsGeek]

If you're planning on continuing with the Long War mod, I feel the need to give you a few strategic pointers. For your roster had a lot of wounded soldiers in them and you're playing a low difficulty, which shouldn't happen in these early months 1) designate 1 soldier as your "point man" (typically someone with high mobility). this soldier should be the furthest moving soldier, if you make contact, use everyone else to react how you want them/ if you don't make contact. have everyone else follow in the EXACT footsteps of the point man, but keep them behind. this way you ensure that you make contact on your first move which is the only way you want to make contact in this game. (Note: it's ok to end a turn with soldiers out of cover before you make contact, because there are no aliens to kill you :D) 2) Stealth is you friend when it comes to outsiders, outsiders are not to bad in this game on small / medium UFO's if you make contact correctly, the way to do this is using stealth and approaching the cockpit (where the Outsider typically is) using concealment (meaning staying out of line of sight). you can do this by either a door breach or if the door has been opened use the UFO wall to stay hidden until you're up close and personal. And to Clarify, when you were trying to use the AP grenades and your range was really crap, that's because your guys were still under the acid status... acid reduces grenade throwing range and soldiers effectiveness overall... in this case I actually say hunkering down is better to do because Acid where's off faster by doing this. It's better in my opinion to keep soldiers alive and safe than taking a really poor percentage shot at the cost of health. You can find out whether or not your guys are acid'd by pressing the "F1" key when you have them selected

[@TheGamegurusChannel]

Be warned EE, Apparently some bogus Turkish company has claimed copyright to the opening scene in enemy within. So if you do a let's play of this (and I hope you do) make sure you cut out the opening scene.

[@EnterElysium]

Thanks for the heads up. I probably wouldn't play the cutscenes anyway just because with Long War I think there is a little underlying assumption that the viewers are at least somewhat familiar with XCOM. Plus, cutscenes... meh.

[@Rellana1]

I wish luck to the idiot turkish company as EA and Firaxis Games I'd imagine won't tolerate that for one second..

[@TheGamegurusChannel]

Rellana1 They have tolerated it, for a while now, my vid is still being contested! EA does not really care as it does not directly effect them.

[@YoRHa_1D]

Gameguru . Rellana1 EA isn't the publisher, 2K games is. 2K is the only publisher Firaxis uses, and 2K is a part of Take-Two studios.

[@Tamizushi]

Gameguru It does affect them. KZbin let's plays are great advertisement for game companies.

[@venkatchait007]

if you play long war and go back to classic it feels like playing easymode.

[@miguelfurlandeavila63]

But the biggest question is: If you can heal 4 HP instantly with a medikit, why would it take 3 days too heal 2 HP in the base?

[@charterhold1469]

because the medkit is just a temporary patch up. hard to fight 2 missions in a row with a searing, gaping plasma shot in the chest!

[@miguelfurlandeavila63]

Charter Hold True. :/

[@Yes-wp3ry]

+Charter Hold unless you're some super badass meld modified Augment soldier

[@scottski02]

I actually loved the SHIVs in Enemy Within. The hover SHIVs were so versatile and above all, actually expendable. Mechs, on the other hand, I just felt their accuracy was far too poor to justify the insane cost in meld and money.

[@roborowan9356]

I'd love to play EUIV with you and some subs some time Elysium if you can make it because its such a great game!

[@Dunkerque351]

Drones have an automatic 2 armor, Cyberdiscs get an automatic 3 armor.

[@mikhaildreygon6383]

so post patch 13 we gets let's play? With these changes I'm actually excited to see a X-com let's play. I loved the original remake but the randomness and terror melted out quickly. This terror appears immortal and unflinching.

[@EnterElysium]

Speaking as someone who recently encountered a downed UFO with 5+ cyberdiscs, 3+ outsiders and at least 20+ 'others'... terror sheer terror. Only two guys escaped that massacre...

[@gsajer1135]

We are now on ver 14.x This mod REALLY did improve what was already a great game. I was a little hesitant at first, but the changes were nothing but gratifying. I've managed to win XCOM EW on Classic Ironman, so I'm not being torn to shreds ...yet. The research and logistic formula changes are what have me concerned, because I don't quite know what to expect with these long intervals. The tactical combat really seems more protracted and challenging. Ignore proper use of cover at your peril. This is no run & gun environment. In my judgement this mod is very worthwhile for those that already enjoy the game.

[@brogot420]

"You can't win, if you're dead." -Enter Elysium 2014

[@lunarservant6781]

I need this ;w; I honestly hate the panic mechanic in the game. It makes me feel as if the game will be long over before it gets started when the council members leave (like why would you leave the last line of defense against ALIENS). So basically I've been getting bent out of shape thinking of how to rack up the satilites and uplinks to keep a controlled area

[@eagleclaws1781]

Well the Original XCOM explains it better why countries are leaving, its not because of the countries Panic, but more of the Aliens sending envoy ships with ethereals to infiltrate and run Diplomacy in those countries to sign pacts with them, and thats what Long war in General aims for: Integrating the good Design aspects of Ufo Defense in the Reboot

[@TheCreeperInc]

on the skyranger topic: in Xenonauts you can have as many dropships you want!

[@Demigodish4o3]

Less lip-smacking would make this watchable for someone with mesophonia. Good video eitherway.

[@Twitch380]

+Demigodish4o3 less bitching would make your comment acceptable, nice try eitherway.

[@swan4315]

I preferred the sectoids as the annoying distractions they were

[@soleceon]

It might have been said but with the class colors, can we still change them? I know you said it was automatic but I'd personally prefer to organize my squads by color for each mission type for this, since it's going to sort of be more team based now and you know the layout of what you're going in to.

[@EnterElysium]

Sorry, should have mentioned; yes you can override the colour designation. :)

[@RAFMnBgaming]

wouldn't mind this as a series.

[@thepelletmonkey]

i think that your aircraft only level up if you click rename, i have yet to even gain the ability to research meld and squad-sight no longer lets your overwatch trigger at squad-sight range

[@pendraco2000]

meh, that was a bit overpowered anyways. not like you can't still manually blow holes in Alien skulls during your own turn anyways.

[@carl16059]

Does the mod change the fact that the outsider disappears from the game after you catch one alive

[@pendraco2000]

***** they don't. you need Outsider shards for Skeleton keys to get into the alien bases. quite handy if you lost a bunch of countries and want to nail multiple bases in succession (just took back Africa with South Africa followed by Nigeria! :D ..now for the Western Hemisphere... )

[@kmodo93]

Other than the fact my laptop can't run the game I only find 2 things really wrong with the mod the first is the sectoid mind link thing being removed is a bad idea and the second is the acid triggers the addition of movement triggers isn't a bad idea but having it trigger on almost every action is (firing the weapon mostly) a very bad idea.

[@EnterElysium]

I actually like the acid a lot more then poison, its a lot fairer whereas poison was an unavoidable, instant-hit, AoE, armour ignoring, free damage. Acid is effectively a lock-down ability making you resort to hunker down. I do not like that it triggers on panic though as this can cause you to move, take a damage, and then panic taking another damage. Possibly a game engine limitation though.

[@kmodo93]

True but I would prefer to fight back (if possible) than hide just more my style maybe a major aim penalty basically reducing it to around a 1% chance almost every time (effectively doing the same thing in a less obvious way) but that's just me.

[@pendraco2000]

the mind-link kill actually still happens from time to time, it's just not a sure thing. I'd assume the same is true if you had two Xcom guys doing it as well.

[@MisterBones2910]

Leif Eriksen pendraco2000 When a mind link is severed by killing the supporting unit it still does damage to the supportee. It's just not an instakill because mid-late game it's OP seeing as how you can have four flankbeasts run up and shit on them.

[@stardaggerrihannsu2363]

Because you are a tough Woman, Man or Non-Binary who accepts difficult assignments!

[@NESOAries]

In base game in advanced options their was a thing that would let you randomize their stats

[@nihlus9589]

The change made to the abductions seems stupid to me. The old abductions were great because you had to prioritise one country over two others and you also had to look for your own interest as in which mission do you want to take based on the difficulty and based on whether or not you needed the resource reward.

[@agentindiana3415]

Nihlus Yes but with how panic is in this one it made more sense.

[@matteodelgallo1983]

Now you have to give us a let's play!

[@SpartanWolf222]

I know this is an old video, but based on some of the points mentioned here about "same base stats, improvement, etc." was that implemented into the Second Wave features for the base game? Or was that something already in before this mod?

[@MrMagpie36]

+Brian Colfxire The mod has multiple difficulties. I don't really know what you are trying to ask in your other question. The mod has a lot of new second wave options that were not in the base game, is that it?

[@jorgejimenez380]

hola me podrían ayudar con el problema del juego xcom enemy whitin, por que cuando me atacan la base y tengo que defenderla el juego se congela y se pone negra la pantalla y no puedo continuar.... gracias

[@dejanjurisic2016]

pls do a lp of this game

[@StormWatchdog]

Hey Dejan Jurisic he streams it every now and then on Twitch.Tv if you want to watch him here's his twitch channel: www.twitch.tv/enterelysium Enjoy

[@emilemchew]

***** you da real mvp

[@StormWatchdog]

Emil Chew :D

[@DarkFire515]

Tried this mod for a while and ended up hating it. Love all the new gear, increased randomisation was good for variety but overall the mod just made the game pointlessly hard. Meh... Good video though, thanks for posting it.

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

If I install this mod, will I be able to switch back and forth between LW campaigns and vanilla ones, or do I have to commit my XCOM installation completely to Long War, where I'd have to uninstall and reinstall to play vanilla XCOM again?

[@electric_boogaloo496]

+WeeWeeJumbo Switching back requires reinstall.

[@brennanspell4330]

I am having the problem of not being able to download the mod because my account isn't being validated. I cant email the owners or admins because my account want validate. What can i do?

[@MatewGamer2]

This totally looks familiar ... Extremely familiar, I wonder if you got inspired by someone called VanguardOfValor

[@Capablanca42069]

I've just discovered you....... I think I'm in love

[@cookymilky3590]

I like the star trek joke

[@EskiltheWanderer]

Good shit man. Good shit.

[@okerbel]

I mean, im all up for the nice changes in this game, but some of these changes just destroy the thing i love in this game. firstly, simplicity.

[@agentindiana3415]

Alexandr Belov Ah. See we didn't like the simplicity.

[@batman_2004]

Agreed. I have installed the mod and the first mission is so damn tough. I uninstalled the mod.

[@gossamera4665]

I was foolish enough to install beta 10. It screwed me over on the first exalt mission, keeps crashing. And despite posting on their stupid forum, nobody answers my question. So I thought I'd ask here instead. Should I update or is there some way to fix 10? I don't really feel like starting all over again, I'm assuming if I update I won't be able to use my old saves? Has anyone finished a game on beta 11 or upwards? If I do update I want a stable version that I can play to the end.

[@rlkio12345678910]

what did you mean with 12 soilders in one squad ? never seen that one the main forum for LW mod i have seen max 8 nothing else

[@EnterElysium]

Used to be 8 max. looks like the raised the cap according to the FAQ on the downloads page. :D

[@rlkio12345678910]

hmm i just got the lates version cant read anything about a squad size on 12. even gone though the entier changelog

[@EnterElysium]

Hmm, I read it somewhere. Played more of it and I am getting the feeling that it might still be 8. I will have to double check that one.

[@Nekavandre]

You start the game with 6 guys max, you can get up to 8 max once you have enough ranked operatives and they can go on most normal missions with squad upgrades from the officer training school, you get 4 guys max during covert extractions for exalt missions, you can have 8 guys during covert ops defend missions against exalt, you get 6 guys max during any base attack defense missions plus XCOM base personal, you can get 12 guys if you purchase the super skyranger upgrade but can only use all 12 when you A. Assault Alien Bases or B.you assault the Temple Ship. Apparently though later on as the beta updates they might make it up to 8 guys start out, 10 guys with officer school upgrades, 6 during covert ops extractions, 12 during covert ops defend missions and XCOM base attacks but this hasnt been confirmed though but I hope its true. What I really want is shorter fatigue and wounds time still long but shorter and to be able to have 12 guys on all missions if you want to.

[@Kosenator]

Just curious: Are you Barry Cripky of Big Bang Theory?

[@cgerman5]

alternatively: xenonauts

[@fillosof66689]

Xenonauts is the way to get a good and somewhat expanded version of the original X-COM with semi-modern graphics and UI, while Long War tries to build a closer spiritual successor up on EW. IMHO if you love X-COM, you should get both.

[@jizzfudgsickle3619]

fillosof66689 +1 for Both!

[@MisterBones2910]

But Xenonauts is broken.

[@Thaeos]

***** No it's not

[@MisterBones2910]

Thaeos You remember when you could shoot rockets through walls on a regular basis in Enemy Unknown? The enemies can do basically that with astonishing regularity depending on where you move in Xenonauts.

[@TheCh33ks]

Wow, Lambert was out for 31 days, Johnson for 33. I can only imagine what happened to these guys.

[@TheGamegurusChannel]

At that point I would mech them, get them back in 3 days.

[@zombievideos247]

Gameguru . WE CAN REBUILD THEM.

[@TheGamegurusChannel]

***** WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY.

[@zombievideos247]

Gameguru . i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1317933312/hB54F0BE0/ i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6302088960/h9FBCE218/ img.pandawhale.com/post-28971-we-have-technology-gif-Patrick-lQbv.gif fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/313/4/2/were_not_cavemen_spongebob__we_have_technology__by_zehero-d4fnhnv.gif

[@Venomine95]

Gonna try this after I finish my newest playthrough... Might be really hard considering as I HATE losing soldiers. Feels like someone flushed my pet goldfish :(

[@dnw009]

Venomine95 You could get away with not losing men on normal difficulty and maybe even some second wave options, or simply save scumming. But you should get it for all the great features it adds to the game not the difficulty.

[@GriffinProductions]

Will this mod work with Steam's version?

[@fdel456]

+Griffin Productions yes

[@ryanalving3785]

Just realized all the rookies are redshirts. Lol

[@qwertyuiop627]

Someone wasn't very careful with their soliders.

[@disgaeachic]

8:12 Uh oh. I'm seeing quite a few red shirts here. I've got a bad feeling about this mission.

[@moustacheguy26]

HELP PLEASE! nexus keeps on demanding money when i try to download it. is this supposed to happen and if not, how can i fix it?

[@ThePenally1]

First off I'd like to know if (and how) to get this on Steam, and whether it would upset Valve or Firaxis, etcetera, etcetera. From what I'm aware, the game doesn't have Workshop support and I've never tried this before. Secondly, I'd like to know if this is available for use on Apple, and before people say get a PC and stuff, have you ever heard of the term "Opinion"? I've always loved the XCOM series and I'm always having fun with my army of grunts who I mercilessly throw to their doo- I mean who I lovingly coddle and always set on Overwatch. So if anyone could help me with my queries, many thanks to them!

[@Dubldrop]

Alexander Scarbrough You can pick up Long War here: nexusmods.com/xcom/mods/88/? The current version is Beta 15d2, although you can pick up b15e at the bottom which is still in testing. There is no issue as far as upsetting anyone, Beaglerush plays with the Long War mod on Firaxis' twitch channel every Tuesday. Yes, you can play this on a Mac.

[@ThePenally1]

Dubldrop Thanks I was worrying for a moment that no one had queried about this and I'd have to put actual effort in myself to find out something. Thanks!

[@Dubldrop]

No problem, best of luck with the campaign!!

[@dnw009]

Alexander Scarbrough If the lead designer of the game says that Xcom Enemy Within is basicly a 20 hour tutorial for long war you know it's a must have. :P

[@seanwheeler3116]

I wonder if you can add this to the PS4 game when it comes out.

[@anonimo2932]

i don't feel fun or challeged play it, i feel more like frustrating and hesitant when i play it. Don't get me wrong, i love challeging games like Darkest Dungeon, but that is the point: there is a line from hard to frustrating and long war is too far. One of the first problem is xcom itself: to gain special move you should level up your character, that's said if you loose a man that's mean you should retrain a rookie. (thing that lw2 made a lot easier) In xcom is annoyng, in long war can made you loose cause you need quite all special move that you can get. Then also too much and too strong enemies, that make you play very slowly and carefull possible exploiting the game to not loose nobody, or else. Then off course air combat and terror mission. In long war saving civs in a terror mission is more important than vanilla any civs killed means one panic point to that country. And with all i sayed before even the long play is compromise. To prevent this you offcourse need air supremacy, but we are playing a mod of xcom, and that air supremacy minigame is made a lot harder with less interactive so is just unfair.

[@kiritotejo8238]

I already download the mods but its work in my XCOM can you explain about the instal the mod's sir

[@Jayden_Balmain]

Do let's let's play

[@GengarJ]

my dad actually rage quit after playing that mod

[@Arronode]

Wow your best soldier has the same name as my best friend xD

[@DM_Dad]

Does Long War fix any of the horrible problems with the game's mechanics, such as seeing through walls? I want to try it after I finish the playthrough I'm on. Hearing you say you lost an entire squad makes me want to see if I can deal with that but usually I restart. I have a pretty deep roster this time though. I mostly play non-iron man and save at the start of the mission so I have to redo the whole thing if I want to restart. I don't want to save scum every turn. I only beat Ironman once on Classic.

[@RSATT01]

You might like LW, because the fatigue system forces you to have more than just one squad, so losing a mission won't fuck you over too much. Just remember that you can retreat, you won't get that big a punishment for avoiding missions.

[@fillosof66689]

Mind Web not only that, but the amount a soldier will have to spent on recuperating grows heavily with every gene-mod and/or PSI ability s/he has, so your end game super-soldiers should be used pretty sparely.

[@dnw009]

Mind Web I think your kinda lying there though. You lose your A team squad early game it's gonna be quite hard to replace them if not impossible, especially if your on high/decent difficulty.

[@Forensicman102]

Some nice touches in this mod, but way too difficult - even on the "normal" difficulty level. I'll try playing it again once the modding team provide a sane version that's playable by people who don't have to resort to cheating via save games.

[@ShinyPotato77]

Forensicman102 Give it a try now you can change many things via a texteditor in the game files. But still dont expect to rush every missions and win the game with a single squad.

[@LordOfGilneas]

hey, question does this mod require enemy within only or both games? Just curious, cus if it doesn't I wanna get enemy within only. Btw, Have you done a Lp of this?

[@EnterElysium]

LordOfGilneas It used to not require it but all the newer versions are now EW only. Recommend picking it up, it's on sale fairly often. And I have two series's of it for your delight!

[@LordOfGilneas]

YES! I had planned on getting EW only seeing as it's stand-alone. FANTASTIC! :D I figure do a playthrough of the vanilla campaign, then do long war. Or a quarter, depends. Thanks for answering!

[@BoydofZINJ]

LordOfGilneas XCOM and the expansion is on sale! and @LordOfGilneas XCOM2 is coming out for the PC and will offer better MOD support!!!

[@LordOfGilneas]

Suhweet.

[@justiciar1883]

LordOfGilneas Your avatar is appropriate for describing the life expectancy of your troops in this mod.

[@MegaRugster]

Can only download the mod from a paid subs membership site? fo..

[@thecamoduo]

We want half life two why play! ITS THE F***ING BEST GAME EVER

[@fangk12345]

its really not

[@thecamoduo]

Umm... that was when I was playing HL2 to beat the game, its still kinda fun though.

[@fangk12345]

ill agree its fun just not the most fun. then again fun is subjective so to each his own :P

[@samir3323]

Expect heavy casualties & over whelming numbers of enemies that shoot better than your troops.Troops not in covewr are goners lol!

[@samir3323]

Tom Do I dont know? I had windows 10 issues,had to reinstall it was a nightmare!

[@TheLevko1]

+Tom Do you can't. It says specifically so on the mod page. And I think you should buy games legitimately when you enjoy them, this will motivate the developers to make more.

[@PSPTSHT]

You're right, it is a gamechanger... A gamechanger to the worst. Awfull mod. The Fatigue is horrible horrible idea.

[@fdel456]

+PSPTSHT there s a lot of worst thing than that...actually its a good idea but as many things badly implemented

[@bradleyhanson96]

people said that the base game was too easy and repetitive. so this mod has changed the difficulty very much and added variety to each play through.

[@agentindiana3415]

What is bad! Fatigue can be turned down but it makes you rotate soldiers more. What is bad!

[@konradkostrzewa9436]

when i played xcom my main charector wss so bad ass that i only send him the the missions btw it was a cloak armour sniper with the laser sniper and other little enhanctments from 1st mission all the way to the end one when he died becouse of a cutscene ... anyway he was the best suggest you try it

[@RolfCJ]

I dont agree with Fatigue..Soldiers train to be able to stay out in the field for daysd on end.. More so with special ops.. Sleep every other day, minimal eating, proper breathing, and hydration etc.. They wouldnt need a week+ r&r because of some minor incursion. Now, a few days out in the field, sure.. But these missions are obviously quick in/out missions, as should be.. Short of some "Blackhoawk Down" scenario, i cant see the need for fatigue.

[@fillosof66689]

RolfCJ true that. However the current Fatigue system is a result of a compromise between realism, devs' vision of good gameplay and restrictions of X-COM's engine.

[@TheRedAzuki]

fillosof66689 It should rather be like fatigue +1 until you get to 5 before the wound happens.

[@fillosof66689]

TheRedAzuki but then it won't be as restrictive, and the devs are adamant about putting a strain on players' roster.

[@TheRedAzuki]

fillosof66689 if you make a decision to force more difficult gameplay even when you play perfectly (they take zero damage ) you just get unnecessary punished cause they can't challenge you properly

[@ShinyPotato77]

RolfCJ "a quick in/out" Dude get to october and most missions wont be an in and out.

[@BadgersDen]

Could someone explain what the difference is between the EU version and EW version?

[@zxxDarkLightxxz]

+Badgers Den EW has more new stuff like genetic enhancements for your soldiers and mech robots to fight for you

[@miguelfurlandeavila63]

new aliens, researchs, resources, equipment and more

[@dafrandle]

i take it adding custom models is impossible in this game

[@artemisfowl7191]

Xenonaughts lets you use tanks and such

[@remliqa]

Didn't we get the same thing in all XCOM games(the tactical squad based ones)?

[@ARWINGx1]

Is it possible to play this mod if the player have the base game, but not the Enemy Within expansion?

[@EnterElysium]

ARWINGx1 Onbly if you can find an old version of the mod before they included EW requirement.

[@Ultrox007]

+ARWINGx1 If for some reason you STILL don't have EW go check out the current Humble Bundle.

[@wu1ming9shi]

+TrueWOPR don't forget to turn off crossfire or you n't be able to see the cover shields in battles

[@udesiibaarur6635]

Who made the mod? I like the new options but kind of lame on other things.

[@jseynave3992]

Long war is nothing but annoying alien spam and annoying campaign tweaks which turn X-com into mostly waiting and endlessly trainign rookies.

[@agentindiana3415]

Xd it isn't though. You must suck.

[@batman_2004]

Agreed.

[@charlx8979]

coloured based on class sounds racist somehow even though we are only talking about uniforms in a war game XD but of course you made each class a different colour, didnt everyone do that?

[@TheBluePhoenix79]

What is that black hole thing

[@The1stDukeDroklar]

Only way to play xcom.

[@rekunta]

I found the vanilla game very hard. Should I try this mod? I hear it's a bit more forgiving.

[@actionbastard5010]

+Kale P so far from what i hear the mod is far more challenging, I still think I'll give it a go after I beat vanilla.

[@rekunta]

+Action Bastard Best I stay away then. :) Thanks for the reply.

[@billydiesel8520]

+Kale P It empowers you as much as it empowers the aliens, IMO.

[@SpartanWolf222]

Also, is there only ONE difficulty for this mod?

[@Wildeye13]

4. Normal, Classic, Brutal, Impossible. It's possible to tweak the difficulty through second wave options and ini tweaking. And the there are sub-mods that lower the difficulty. Long War is only as hard as you wish it to be.

[@Celcord]

The mod doesn't really make the game hard, in a sense. Rather, it just increases the bullshit dice rolling. Rookies are even worse shooters, and aliens are even better. grr grr artificial difficulty. grr grr :v

[@agentindiana3415]

Celcord No it does not. It makes it harder. It makes you think more.

[@architech007]

Jesus, you are such inept tactician :D

[@theperpetual8348]

This was just a demo of the mod. He wasn't concentrating. You should watch some of his vids. They're brilliant.

[@cawcawplaysmc6517]

Play space engineers it's rly fun try it out

[@jerrycan1756]

today was a sad day for slendermen everywhere...

[@gremlin7599]

Wish smoke grenades were more important

[@KageRyuu6]

The fatigue/wound system sounds stupid. Pass.

[@junkman12345ful]

Sounds stupid in what aspect?

[@MaximHunter28]

It sounds too realistic

[@irou95]

that is kinda stupid like who the fuck needs 5 days of rest. but it's necessar to create the need of many soldiers but if they were realistic they would need psychological trauma aid and shit :D like everytime one sees his friend die he needs a psychotherapist. and if they are traumatized too much they can kill themselves in the base.

[@slydevil4759]

3 days to "rest" might seem a little stupid, but the system itself is pretty good.In the vanilla you pretty much only had one really badass squad, they get to max level pretty fast. Here you need to have at least 40-50 soldiers and even if i can take my A team on a mission i usually only take 1-2 then some medium soldiers and some rookies so they can get a level.

[@dnw009]

Sly Devil realism vs game difficulty. It basicly forces you to work more on all your units rather than focussing on your one A team. Which overall makes it alot more interesting. KageRyuuUji to pass up long war just for the fatigue is stupid, it adds to much other stuff to simply push it aside for a silly reason like that. Unless you can't handle the difficulty ofcourse... Don't take offense at that assumption just speculating on your reasoning.