FFXIV: Shadowbringers Trust System FIRST LOOK

[@midence]

I hear you mentioning social anxiety and stuff every time you mention trusts, and that is indeed a factor, but let me be the one to tell you that some people want to use them for sheer immersion into story (having the main chars with you makes more story sense) and immersion in environments (exploring and taking views in, rather than powering through).

[@TheHeartThatRunsCold]

So basically to play casually, which is perfectly fine.

[@TLODivineDragon]

Social anxiety on an MMORPG. Lol. Find another genre.

[@JJMomoida]

@@TLODivineDragon Lol what a piece of shit.

[@OhNoTheFace]

@@TLODivineDragon Because nerds don't have a lot of people with social anxiety. Get over yourself

[@TLODivineDragon]

@@OhNoTheFace pussy

[@RYNOking5ify]

What I like most about Trust System is that you can watch cutscenes without fear of other players attacking the boss while watching

[@damenlapalm5609]

I've maind DPS in MMOs for over 15 years, with the exception of War/MNK in Guild Wars 1. I really look forward to this system to learn healing and tanking in FFXIV on console without the nervousness of messing up for other people. Awesome.

[@ex0stasis72]

Agreed. I don't even like MMOs much, but if I did, I'd tank, but people online are always so toxic that I just stick with singleplayer games. I just might start playing FFXIV when this comes out.

[@DarthSanguine]

Unfortunately you'll still have to get to level 70 on those jobs to use it, and it's much easier to learn as you level, rather than use jump potions. As long as you start the dungeon by telling the party you're new to the role, they'll be fine with you taking things slowly.

[@AdamBlade17]

How can you ever learn and improve if you never mess up? Don't be so anxious to make a few mistakes, it's just a game... As long as you're willing to accept criticism, the vast majority of players will be glad to help.

[@fernandoblengio]

Really good idea.

[@mathiasrryba]

@@ex0stasis72 haven't seen people be toxic in FF even if you screw up unless you do we very horrible mistakes or do them constantly.

[@sender1996]

well most dps know the feeling of waiting for alot of time for que on week 1 so this is a good way for them to continue the story without jumping around like idiots for half an hour

[@OldmanVosh]

I usually just dance.

[@AdamBlade17]

And now that everyone can just play with npcs, the dps queues for those who want to play with actual human beings will become infinite.

[@mathiasrryba]

@@AdamBlade17 or not. Pretty sure healers and tanks will still choose to go with players and mostly DPS will go with NPCs. That'd mean average queue for DPS would get shorter. Tanks and healers will have instant queues like always

[@nejiharuno]

@@AdamBlade17 Well I can see that you have no idea that dps players far outweigh tanks and healers, causing their long wait times. This system shortens the time for the dps queue as some will use the trust system to fulfill their immersion or use it to practice as much they want without dragging other players down due to experimentation.

[@konacapone8770]

As someone with extreme anxiety, I can relate to playing with the trusts in Shadowbringers. It's a nice change of pace for me that i don't have to worry about disappointing other people in the group.

[@myriannel3109]

DonatedToast i agree with you! Part of why I stopped playing is because of my extreme anxiety. I love playing tank and I rarely played it with strangers. Even if I love MMORPG... now I might consider playing again. :))

[@1980Shadowwolf]

It will help me as well im autistic and learning disabled i often prefer going in with my friends. but the trust system will help me if they are not on or i want to farm items. My friends are often more patient with me and my disability then random groups. I also dont do well with raids given again it takes me a while to learn them. However trust missions in parties will help me so i wont need to be scared if i screw up being insulted.

[@DeathsAvarice]

This trust system is probably how I'll get myself comfortable with tanking again, cause I actually really bad anxiety when tanking.

[@1980Shadowwolf]

Morrigan I feel that way regardless my job i lack self esteem given im learning disabled. The trust system for me will feel really safe. Given i can just focus on just having fun. Every time there is a mean person in my party i worry i messed up idk how many parties was with a squad. There was a mean tank or healer yelling at me while im doing my best to keep dpsing. It takes a friend of mine i do everything with to tell me even he can tell im dpsing best i can. Example a tank in squad wanted me to use flare on the boss instead of my fire 3 and 4 4 combo. I tried to explain to the tank flare is only ok for aoes but it really doesnt do much damage. He kicked me from the party after i told him that and my buddy left soon after.

[@caeruleusaurum1550]

Same here.

[@MrJosh6889]

As a returning player, there's definitely a learning curve to get back up to speed with healing also. Trusts seem like a good way to learn a dungeon, without having the group criticize you for wanting to learning the dungeon, while they continue just zerging it and not learning the dungeon.

[@ButterNuss.]

Most of the time Tanks get blamed for everything. The DPS positioned wrong and died to the AOE Tankbuster? -"Taaaank!" The Scolar Healer rather uses the DMG Fairy instead of the Healer and lets you die? -"Taaaank dont pull so much" Just normal stuff.

[@DavidWoodMusic]

Bruh just pull wall to wall and blame the healer when anything goes wrong

[@StudioYami]

I actually enjoy the idea of the Trust system, story wise. 1, if I fall behind everyone else, I don't need to wait through the hellsh dps queue, but in story terms, 2, going on this adventure with everyone, I typically feel disconnected when not fighting alongside the other scions and stuff. It upset me to go on a journey with everyone but not fight with them, so from a roleplay aspect, this excites me.

[@AdonanS]

Likewise, mate. Time to kick ass and chew bubblegum with the Scions, and I have more than enough bubblegum.

[@reika542]

You mean I don't have to wait 50 mins in que for a dungeon?? YES!

[@viisovari4544]

I think he said “Main scenario” dungeons.

[@AdonanS]

50 minutes? What server are you playing on?

[@Winged_Snek]

@@AdonanS Your server doesnt determine your queue times, your data center does. And DPS queues are that bad, and have been worse. Much worse.

[@AdonanS]

@@Winged_Snek My bad, I thought data center and server were one in the same. At any rate, that sounds horrible. Outside of the content nobody really does anymore (Binding Coil for instance), I've never had a queue longer than 30 min, 18 min on average.

[@Winged_Snek]

@@AdonanS It's been an ongoing issue since the beta and since launch. And every expansion makes it worse, especially if they add another DPS.

[@Enclave.]

Awwww, Alphinaud became a big boy and got himself a job crystal finally.

[@hollowgriefband]

Glamour silvetr egi

[@CallMeNoa]

I wish he was summoner though since SMN get his grandpa now.

[@TheCanadianGamingPenguin]

@Trei You can glamour the fairies (and egi) to look like carbuncle. ;)

[@xXsuperbananaXx]

This seems like a great tool for practicing dungeons/mechanics. Even if it’s just the leveling dungeons I can see this as a tool to help people overcome tank/healing anxiety.

[@kujiko88]

Could also be used to practice tanking/healing with the job changes without risking upsetting other people.

[@nogz01]

I mean... WHY NOT?? Want to run as group? YOU CAN. Want to run solo? NOW YOU CAN. Everyone wins, period.

[@Jacodaify]

Vinicius Nogueira more people that use trust system the more queue times suffer, the more queue times suffer the more people just decide to use trust npcs instead. What a cycle

[@Nalehw]

@@Jacodaify You're right, that definitely is a cycle that can happen! I think that happened to PvP: it had pretty short queues at the start of Stormblood, so people ran it to level. But then they gave it a small xp nerf to discourage AFKing, and suddenly a lot of people abandoned it... which means it became useless for levelling because the queues were slow... which means nobody runs it for levelling... which means the queues STAY slow. But I don't think Trusts are the same situation. Dungeons are mostly populated by roulettes. You can't do a roulette with Trusts. And - thankfully - they seem to be pretty slow, so even farmers probably won't use them much. So the queues should honestly be fine. The main people who Trusts appeal to are: 1) the people who shouldn't be doing dungeons ANYWAY, e.g. people practicing their class, people with social anxiety, or people who know they might get interrupted by their kids; 2) DPSes trying to skip long queues. Which... will actually improve the DPS queue for everyone else because it won't be so over-filled. I guess we'll see how it pans out, but for now, it seems to me like a win-win.

[@sanserof7]

The game loses because the more single player shit is added the worse the community becomes

[@dracomundo1498]

Im honestly probably gonna use this to learn to tak the new stuff. Computers have the infinite patience I need

[@Vaegir808]

Definitely considering DPS wait times are abysmal.

[@SlackersForHire]

I think I'll be using Trusts to practice my skills on roles I don't know as well, sounds great!

[@Shyverin]

John Reasoner as good as it sounds on paper, if you’re learning anything past the very basics, I would go in a duty finder. Your party will point out stuff you’re doing blatantly wrong and help you improve much faster.

[@bobfromberlin]

@@Shyverin Or they act like some of the people I met: Say nothing for 10 Minutes, everything seems to work fine, then someone (usually the Tank) has a total meltdown on someone he thinks did something wrong (not doing a full rotation, not using a perfect string of cooldowns on a mob etc.) and stop playing until this person is kicked from the party or leaves because he/she is probably crying. The longer/more often these bullying people seem to play the same dungeon over and over again, the less room for error they seem to offer other people as well. So, if you like for example try out some new role in a bully free environment, the better the trust system is. The best way to see how some mechanics work for example is by experiencing them yourself, with trusts you can do that without "wasting other peoples time" or (to quote some dude I played with) "be a liability to everyone".

[@ItsElectrode]

@@bobfromberlin 😢

[@EvolutionIX219]

@@bobfromberlin I have never ran into anyone like that in my five years of playing this game.

[@maybeitsyou1317]

@@bobfromberlin Yeah you run that risk when you play multiplayer games. Especially mmos. Thing is...do we really think transforming them into single player games with optional co-op is the right solution? I mean thats the path WOW went on and now the game can be solod, has lost all sense of even being a multiplayer game.

[@AdonanS]

I like the roleplay aspect of it. Completing a dungeon with the characters we've known since ARR sounds fun.

[@XenoDeki]

I can already see the Raubahn Ultimate incoming on day 1 for sure.

[@7thdayfallout]

why did he have to say that and ruin my positive mood hot tip for squeenix, disable the piss out of this system + potd & hoh for the first two weeks so raubahn extreme never happens again (remember nobody called him ultimate since that difficulty didn't exist yet)

[@sorawild33]

@@7thdayfallout But then people will get mad that they won't be able to grind GNB and DNC to 70 before starting the new content. I want to start the new content as a GNB and I don't want to have to do a weeks worth of grinding to get there. Just let me run PotD and HoH mindlessly for a day to reach 70.

[@7thdayfallout]

Tough shit. I got SAM to 60 in a day without jamming the fuck out of the instance servers with POTD. Thing is because the servers were in such horrible condition there was just a massive cloud of people doing FATEs, levelling took no time. I can't even imagine how the hell it would take you a week to grind to 70 from 60...

[@DeathnBloodx]

7thdayfallout they start out at fucking 50 not 60....

[@DarthSanguine]

@@7thdayfallout Because not everyone has all day to play. Some people have actual jobs, and can only play for a couple of hours a day.

[@KnightRaymund]

Thancred and the twins sound like my standard party.

[@Umbruhh]

I would too except I'm a Dark Knight main and cant bring Thancred 😭

[@AdonanS]

Same here, though I'll probably switch Than for Raubhan if he's a tank (I'm a member of the Flames). I've spent enough time with the twins in the main story that I feel a connection to them.

[@AlveinFencer]

If I'm playing Damager, then I'll do the same. For Healer, I'll probably go Thancred, Minfilia and Y'Shtola. Tank'd be Shtola and the twins.

[@phoenixred240]

Yshtola for the win for me.

[@rayyanchile8728]

Graha tia and the twins*

[@JoSan3]

"for anyone who has any sort of social anxiety...." nice, exactly what i want

[@Dragnarok28]

My 1st question for you would be, why are you playing an MMORPG in the 1st place? It supposed to be a social experience...

[@JoSan3]

@@Dragnarok28 i play it for the story....well, i have no issue with interacting with people. It all started after i got "betrayed" by my FC higher ups and its elitist prick of a leader

[@Ragnarok182]

Being an RPer (or trying to on FF14) I Have no problem with interacting with others when I can. Only problems I got are 1: Failing the team I'm with ( even though I am able to keep spirits high if we fail a few times.) 2: having to deal with toxic players that criticise or just bring people down just because. (I have the tendacy to lose my cool when it come to toxic players, I got kicked from a dungeon once for going after the toxic one but I got invited back soon after when they found out it was the other person being toxic not me and the party apologised to me for kicking me first then we had fun after and rocked the dungeon )

[@Muimina]

@@Dragnarok28 Stop asking that dumb question, people ask it so often. I want to play a game that's played the same way but doesn't HAVE to be online. If there was a World of Warcraft singleplayer game that was played the exact same way but without people I would play it. That doesn't truly exist so I'll just make the best out of it and force myself to play with players. I don't like people at all, social anxiety hits hard too. Sure, I can interact with people, but do I trust them? God no. I love bots more than players. I get through everything just fine with players, but I really don't actually enjoy doing it. I'm gonna keep playing FFXIV with or without players, I don't care what you say or where the logic is missing, you're not gonna change my mind, I have never once in my life out of every online game I played actually had fun playing with players, it's the gameplay that's fun, not the people.

[@ReiSilver]

Party banter!!!

[@Roseles89]

That means the npcs talk more then your average pug group haha.

[@aliciafraser1835]

@Made4542 Personally prefer it that way. What's the point in talking with people during a duty? Most people are jerks anyhow.

[@gamester512]

@Made4542 I'm always friendly enough to at least say "Hi" when I first pop into an instance, and I'll always mention if I'm new to a given run. I remember one time someone jokingly responded as though they were offended at being greeted. Gave me a chuckle.

[@FurlowT]

They need to fix our company squads to be this smart and maybe be able take them into story stuff higher levels.

[@lens_hunter]

I would do this just to feel like I was doing content with these characters. Wouldnt care how long it took.

[@jdmog]

i think thats the point. That as the story progress you actually want to play alone side this people and they are giving that to us now. Nice!

[@HiroesX81]

I may need to do every msq dungeon with trust npcs the first time

[@eevieamalee2056]

Thank you Mr. Happy! I am so excited for this as I always wanted something like this for days when I am just not feeling up to it or I just want a single player experience. I also think this kind of system will help some of my old school ff friends with getting into FFXIV more.

[@NJelBoi]

Omg this is going to do wonders for my social anxiety. Once I have practiced a dungeon enough I am good.

[@sebbe44441]

>The overall DPS of trusts is certainly lower than that of other players You must not pug very often ;)

[@gucky4717]

Yeah... i had 2 players with much better gear... both together still doing less damage then me.....or Tanks not able to hold aggro of 3 mobs...

[@SKEITH0REBIRTH]

@@gucky4717 lmfao that's hilarious. How is that even possible

[@ToastyCoyote]

Will probably use trusts for the very first run of each msq dungeon or for maybe getting extra armor pieces if they look cool or farming GC seals

[@NaliaDanger]

It hurts to see Minfilia as a Rogue and not a Ninja. Did she forget to equip her job crystal?

[@ParaFalse]

2k18 it's been 5 years and she still can't do shit right

[@ramiengrey1177]

She's too young - hasn't had a chance to train yet.

[@RyuSaarva]

those are 2 different classes, the player is a weird hybrid class.

[@ViccVegaa023]

I think lore reason are at play here. Minfilia probably learned Rogue from Thancred, her long time protector. She's had no opportunity to learn Ninja from Yugiri and she's probably never even met the Ninja job teacher (forgot his name).

[@miyatenmeiritsu1810]

@@ViccVegaa023 The Ninja job teacher is Oboro. There's also Karasu, but he's too much of a trickster to teach Minfilia.

[@chriscall]

Really hope to see this implemented into old tunnel dungeon content as well.

[@smartazjb0y]

Can we use trusts to get XP and level alt jobs? Would be a nice change of pace since Squadron dungeons aren’t updated for the latest expansion

[@duckbit9657]

Wondering this aswel. Hopefully we can cause dps que times are horrifying sometimes.

[@boneylockz3967]

I'm sure Squadron will be updated, they have plenty of ranks to still add, like Captain and such, so I think when ShB comes out, more will be add to our dear friends, the Squadron

[@boneylockz3967]

We will just have to wait and see if SE didn't forget about Grand Companies then! 😃

[@Shiirow]

@@boneylockz3967 Captain has already been added.

[@boneylockz3967]

You know what I mean, the higher tiers, Commander or what ever, I don't pay attention to the titles, I just rank up with them. Lol

[@evans178]

I feel that This will allow people to train tanking and healing for a bit to get confy and also allow dps to do MSQ dungeons without waiting a lot ( although that prob wont be the case near the release)

[@NaohMkS]

Alisae, Minfilia and Yshtola would need to up their GCD game tho. In the video lolinfilia barely performed any weapon skills

[@teemopanda02]

It will be useful for DNC, cause let's face it, lots of people are gonna queue as it.

[@ladwarcoffee]

Probably not, I doubt they are gonna put the dev team to add trust pre shadow bringers dungeon and until there's a jump pot into shadow bringers they are gonna have to learn with real people, for a little bit at least.

[@evans178]

@@ladwarcoffee I never said anything about pre shadow ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@ladwarcoffee]

@@evans178 so what, you can't train a healer or tank with the trust till shadow bringers was the point. People looking to use trust would have to train without it first if it's true.

[@genkurouno2849]

They better give us Estinien or else we riot

[@andresorozco8420]

Should we have the torches ready? I think YES.

[@orbitaldragon]

Might break immersion.. but I am actually hopeful for characters from other final fantasy titles like Squall, Yuffie, and Amarant.

[@leshyaedawnfire]

Oh, I am SO looking forward to this one!

[@CrimsonDX]

I like this. I will likely solo all dungeons first time so I can enjoy the story and also soI am not sitting there waiting on queue, and then I will use duty finder for subsequent runs and such. Would be cool if they brought it down to lower level dungeons in the future.

[@AnglBunny]

Omg! I hope they add Hien as an option!

[@KantaCrowe]

Trusts seems like a nice way to level alts at the dead of night. Can't wait!

[@M21cat]

I'm just glad I can do story quest content without sitting in a queue for 15+ minutes.

[@PrimalBacon]

Are there any indications on whether you can play with other players and fill out the party with the trust system? I normally play with one other friend and we're curious as to whether we can could make use of this to get through the story dungeons.

[@sadmanEXE]

others video said no

[@Fishingishard]

This is my question because I play with my wife mostly

[@orbitaldragon]

@@datboi04 If thats true than that sucks. I also was hoping to do a 2/2 split. I hope this feature gets feedback and allows such features as well as being spread to other dungeons and content outside of just MSQ. I would be down to play the whole damn game with just my best friend and no one else lol.

[@Sylentmana]

I hope they extend the trusts to all story dungeons at the very least. From vanilla to Shadowbringers. That would make me very happy.

[@karahibiki7476]

Being able to learn an MSQ dungeon without getting chewed out for not watching a video by the party is a welcome addition. Immersion baby!

[@Ragnarok182]

Let's hope this opens the way to hardcore dungeons for all dungeon that can only be done with a player party, And save story dungeons for NPCs and hell, maybe add some story for each character when they are in the dungeon, that would be badass!

[@ureshiiiiii]

Have they / will they ever implement the trust system into earlier story dungeons? I love the idea of this, but it’s such a pity it’s confined only to SHB.

[@Mark19i1]

It’s better than waiting 1hr just to complete, a dungeon, so I’m all for this.

[@Rhyzal_]

Question! Have they mentioned if you can do this with other partymates? Like 2 friends going in with 2 npcs? (My apologies if it was in the video and I just missed it)

[@0cyrhoe]

"Social Anxiety" could be my character name. This looks even better than I'd hoped, and I hope they one day extend it to cover prior dungeons, Sastasha onward. Thanks for sharing.

[@zarinfreed8489]

I love it cause it makes you feel more immersed in the story with them but, I love playing with others and hey I speak up and if no ones answers just get through it all best you can

[@hkoizumi3134]

I am happy that they added this. I may use this to fully immerse myself into the story. I've been playing FF14 since 1.0 beta and I never took the time to enjoy the story because I was rushing to get to end game. But this time, I am gonna take my time and actually watch the story unfold.

[@CombativeMedic]

I'm not sure if I missed you mention this, but if you run the trust system do you miss out on dungeon loot and exp? Because I could see this being really helpful in gear hunting.

[@aliciafraser1835]

You get all of your xp and gear if you run dungeons with squadron npcs, so I highly doubt they're going to lock that stuff away with trusts.

[@CombativeMedic]

@@aliciafraser1835 ngl I forget Squadron exists so I had no idea. Thank you!

[@thomaspirolt174]

really like this system *-* hope they add the other chars too, like Yugiri, Hien etc. And would be great if they add this system too our squad too

[@porina_pew]

Goodbye DPS queues! (where supported)

[@lmildrum]

lydiardwildlife That was my exact thought. No longer have to run Heaven on High a bajillion times to bypass that 20 min - 45 min queue time for all the dps classes. I'll definitelt be using this feature for dps leveling

[@MrLittlehicks]

Well should be more tanks with the new tank class. But having npcs fighting might make the dungeon run longer than expected and might not even save you the dps queues. It’s not gonna be worth it if real players run in let’s say average 20 mins and npcs is 35. Might as well wait for real players.

[@porina_pew]

@@MrLittlehicks I don't know if it is tank or healer shortages that more limit DPS queues, but even if there will be more tanks, there aren't necessarily any more healers. Typical DPS queue for me is 20 minutes and I doubt trusts will be that much longer than player parties, in a similar way I do use squadrons to level. If enough DPS do trusts, remaining DPS might have shorter queues for player parties so win either way.

[@MrLittlehicks]

@@porina_pew I think its more what people are comfortable with. More players want to dps more than heal or tank. I was terrified myself when i started tanking but now I que as tank most of the time. I started as dps and moved to healer. Once those were all leveled i was like oh boy tanking. But it wasn't as bad as i expected and now feel comfortable to go in blind, which i know alot of people hate but i like experiencing and learning from a fight than just watching a youtube video. I've hosted learning parties and groups have done on 1st even though i joked "we're all gonna die".

[@RatchildUK]

@@MrLittlehicks 30 min trust dungeon run with insta queue vs 15 minute party dungeon with 45 min queue......hmmm I wonder which is faster.

[@Squintina]

Looks good, I was going to do dungeons with my friends but now that I see how good these look and that they're immersive, I'll be doing my first runs with them for that story aspect.

[@Windupchronic]

Sounds like something that would be good if you want to practice mechanics and/or new skills without the worry of player abuse, or farm for specific gear without competing for loot. Glad to see they can actually dodge AOEs; that's a nice change from squads. I imagine I'll do all of the new dungeons with the Trust system on the first time, just so I can learn the mechanics by watching the NPC's behavior. Would be like getting a clear while watching a walkthrough.

[@smward87]

To be fair the Squadron members don't need to dodge AoE lol. They take insanely reduced amounts of damage from them, like negligible amounts.

[@BaoZakeruga]

why is that dungeon itself so beautiful

[@seralucii]

Looks great for learning how to play better with jobs aside from your main. I always worry about slowing down random groups without my guild to assist me as I have a hard time remembering all the boss mechanics aside from the dungeons I have run over and over again (looking at you, Chimera). The dialogue between the characters give me a FF15 vibe of brotherhood, definitely looking forward to it.

[@TGameDev]

Alisaie popping LB the moment it's up? Atta girl.

[@cardcaptorsnaruto]

Really looking forward to this feature, I love hearing characters talk and interact I'm so glad thats in there!

[@RockR277]

I think it'd be nice if trusts were expanded to other leveling dungeons for dps queues. That way if you notice you've got a 20+ min queue you can just choose to use trusts instead. Maybe they don't want to spend dev time making sure trusts know all the mechanics for all those dungeons, but I think it'd be nice.

[@NightArcHero]

I do have one question: Is the trust system purely solo only or are we allow to bring one other player in with the trusts? asking for a friend

[@aliciafraser1835]

Sounds like it's solo only

[@shrappnel21]

I hope they extend this to earlier dungeons. I hated when my very first dungeon runs as a WoW refugee were just speed blitzes by vets.

[@probablybears]

As a tank, i always ask if the party wants a full clear (kill all monsters, check all rooms for the chests, etc) or a speed clear. Unless i'm playing with my fc/friends. Then it's default speed clear.

[@sorawild33]

They won't most likely since the Squadron system exists for 2.x dungeons. The Trust system would be redundant for those.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

@@sorawild33 The squadron system only exists for a handful of 2.X and 3.X dungeons, and I wouldn't say it's substitute for actually running dungeons in the same way trusts are supposed to be. Like, I think you'd already had to have done them. I could be wrong. I don't think you can do a first run of a dungeon with a squadron though, that's a duty you gotta enter from the GC headquarters

[@NaohMkS]

I’m so looking forward towards the next rauhban ex trial. It was the most engaging part out of all StB

[@aliciafraser1835]

I mean, to be fair, if you can't get into a dungeon because everyone's doing trusts for that dungeon, you can just do trusts for it too. From the sounds of it, it's just going to be a problem (If its a problem at all) for story dungeons.

[@Shynruu]

This is what I am looking forward to the most from the expansion, sounds awesome.

[@Scoreman7769]

I don't know if I missed it but will you be doing a video on leveling the trusts? For example how many runs of a dungeon it takes to get to the next dungeon

[@phoenixred240]

I just want to give my appreciation to Yoshi P and the rest of his team for introducing the Trust system. I am really super thankful. I hope i can write him a letter about it in the future.

[@tlatia6072]

If they meant it about adding more people to the system, I really hope to see Estinien and Fordola in it at some point. .... and maybe Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh would be fun.

[@Shiirow]

Greg, Hildy and Nashu in a dungeon together.

[@aliciafraser1835]

@@Shiirow I doubt we'll get any of those characters (I'd love it) but heavily doubt it, because they're side characters. It's looking like trusts are going to be main story characters, and outside of 1.0 hildi's never been in a main story quest.

[@Ichigor87]

Excited for this addition 😀

[@RedOps5]

Guild Wars, big hats off for adding this.

[@gypsyc7510]

FFXI has had this trust system , i love it.

[@PST07]

Hi, Mr. Happy, does the trust system will come together with the new expansion? or will it come first? I plan to go back to play if this system allowed me to find party from NPC. (and I hope their A.I. know how to dodge)

[@alternatelevi2099]

This will make it much faster to go through shadowbringers now that I've gotten through stormblood waiting upwards of 30mins for story duties.

[@orbitaldragon]

Do you have any information as if you will be able to use the Trust system with a 2 man team? My best friend and I are both DPS and always have issues with the queue system. Would be awesome if the Tank and Healer could just be swapped with NPC allies instead.

[@josephwilliamson3228]

orbitaldragon solo only for trust like the squadron system

[@kozonalias3339]

Finally, now I can play the game without being straight-up hated or told to end my life for everything I do or don't do or have no control over.

[@ntz752]

Just the dungeons everything else is with other players.

[@Draelon01]

Stop, bit dramatic? Been playing this game for years and never came across that. Sure some people CAN be jerks but some people really just need try and not let it ruin their experience and to not be so sensitive. This type of sensitivity just leads to being anti social....

[@kozonalias3339]

@@Draelon01 I get what your saying, and I will admit that there are good people in this community. Hell, some of my best friends come from here. I'm just saying I've ran into these extremely vengeful people far too often with little time in between. I'm not trying to come off as dramatic, and I do apologize if that's what it seems like. But it is an occurance I have gotten quite annoyed with. Though still, trying to end on a positive note, still an amazing community. Wouldn't trade it for the world.

[@Draelon01]

@@kozonalias3339 Its cool, I might have been a little strong. It's just that this type of talk has been around, and I have witnessed people going total " I hate people" and have become anti social and it just really gets me :( But yea there are some real trashy people online, I just see a lot of exaggeration on the forums (not just ffxiv) and it really turns people from socializing, I guess it just gets to me heh heh.

[@kozonalias3339]

@@Draelon01 Ah, I see where you're coming from. Yeah, I think the total "Shun people out entirely" is a completely egregious idea. It is still an MMO after all, and as such having social interaction with other people is still a core factor that needs to be upheld. I see this trusts system as more of an preventive outlet, like if someone had a sour day and just needed a break from playing with people so they don't snap off at someone, or someone snaps off at them. That way they still get to play without the risk of making a scene.

[@Swordhunter0817]

Do mechanics always target the player like with squadrons?

[@kyotanaka920]

Yes, it does. And for some instances, it fucking SUCKS. Whatever that 53 place is, the second boss ALWAYS target you regardless of color. If he pelts you with a blue, your healer wont even bother healing you because you're in the "safe" zone and you fucking die to the next red he throws, unless you heal yourself somehow. I cannot vouch for Shadowbringer but when this happens in ARR and Heavensward, you'll know what's up and it's an awful experience. It's not the only place either where this is awful

[@RamzaJinnRuu]

@@kyotanaka920 I have done that mission on all roles and jobs play the mechanics like you suppose to when you get red target walk to your a squadron to cut the damage. If you running any options of classes 2 out of the 3 squadron will be standing near each other. Damn dungeon is pretty easy and straight forward. The only dungeon I hate so far is lv50 one with the goblin boss at end when you suppose to move the bombs from the center most classes can't deal with it at all I was only able to beat it as a mnk, war, pld, nin, and whm.

[@kyotanaka920]

@@RamzaJinnRuu I did play the mechanics I was suppose to. Doesn't change the fact that it was fucking horrid to go through. In that level 53 dungeon, Tank, you take damage anyway and you can live through nukes, while healers you just... heal yourself. Other roles where they dont have a heal? Pray you got a few max potions from Deep Dungeons or you're SOL, because your healer will not prioritize in healing you if you get hit with the blue slime, and you WILL die if you can't DPS check all the other reds in time. And then theres the green slime... fuck that slime. That's the only difficult part in that dungeon and it's because the boss singles YOU out instead of anybody else, all the time. The last boss literally does the same thing, but the huge difference is that its avoidable so you aren't SOL. The goblin one is actually one of the easier one for me. At least when you die its from player error, not faulty mechanics singling out players as opposed to AIs. You just need to survive it yourself and you're gold, fuck your team they take like 90% reduced damage from AoEs anyway. Though this shows a huge problem in Squadrons: playing the mechanics the INTENDED way might fuck you over. Also, for future reference, best way to do Vault is to have your team on disengage, get aggro and wait till they are in range, and spam Engage and Disengage: this forces the tank to use multiple AoE enmity attacks in a row. Best results from a Paladin, where it's easier to hit everyone in a circle than a cone. Be careful with this though, disengage will make the healer be idle for like 3 to 4 seconds for god knows why. Vault is actually one of the easier ones to do with Squadron, again most problems you'll faced is from player errors. Tank and Heal AI might be awful but you can still "cheese" encounters even after Archer nerf. The real problems are the mechanics where boss can ignore tanks, which MIGHT be fine if you can dodge it. So something like the level 44 dungeon last boss plays out normally since his mechanics is easily dodgable... while 53 second boss will fucking suck if you cant DPS the red and green slimes in time, and your team will be too dumb to help unless you make them Disengage and Engage them, which makes the heal and DPS unresponsive for a bit. God help you if you dont have a self heal outside of second wind.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

@@kyotanaka920 He was asking about the trusts, not the squadrons that currently exist. You have not played with the trusts, so you did not (and cannot) answer his question.

[@franseara439]

@@kyotanaka920 just go stand with the other members to reduce the damage.

[@XPlayer52c]

Feel like alph should be able to switch between the two, just double tap the icon. Would be fun seeing a twin dps synergy or something to that nature... Think they'll have a hidden synergy stat throughout the system? Like having thancred and minfilia: thancred gains a subtle haste + def bonus with her in the group. Or urianger with Ali: Ali will most likely dps faster - reckless abandon type while urianger throws out enmity control and mp cards towards her. Idk something to this effect would be cool

[@Shadethewolfy]

What MP cards? Astro doesn't work like that anymore, sadly >

[@XPlayer52c]

@@Shadethewolfy sorry, I kinda watched this first so I didn't know about the change till after... But hey never know, maybe they'll still keep the old mechanics like they did with AAR fights; I forget who still had an ability that got removed and it made me sad...

[@Shadethewolfy]

@@XPlayer52c Possibly, and it's okay :D I'm hoping they leave Urianger's cards alone at least for mechanics purposes. I don't know why they changed the way the cards worked.

[@CelestianGC]

Is there anything like this in previous expansions or just this one? I'm considering coming back and being able to go through all the dungeons like this would be a great way to learn these fights.

[@scholar2984]

Thank you for the information on Trusts. Seems like the application of such has more uses than I thought what with being able to practice roles or dungeons without feeling like you need to be a master of it your first time through. Hopefully it trickles down into past dungeons and maybe even moves into MSQ trials for this reason (as well as for the immersion), while also remaining obvious that playing with others is the most efficient choice once in due to pulling more mobs and players potentially doing more damage. Actually wouldn't mind if you could summon three trusts to help clear FATES since the main reason I don't do them after the first couple weeks is that they take too long compared to other options to get experience and rewards. Might also encourage teaming up with someone who also has three, to make a full party. Some of my best experiences in starting over in FFXI to experience every all over again when Rhapsodies was released was unlocking all of the Trusts that I worked alongside during the stories and just having them there with me to fight in my adventures thereafter in the world.

[@VisceralNyx]

It probably not a favored opinion but i hope they make them available for all dungeons. This would really help with the dps wait times and would only be favored when wanting to play solo, just get a dungeon done for MSQ progress, etc. Since the AI isnt top tier and cant pull "wall to wall" as you say, people will still favor live teams for dungeon grinding.

[@hermitgamer]

Sounds great to be able to skip the usual 30-40 minute+ que. I also hope we can use Trusts for Fates eventually, those I rarely can do since I’m almost always doing them solo.

[@jasonwatt621]

Honestly, I'm disappointed it's confined to Shadowbringers dungeons. I was looking forward to learning Gunbreaker at my own pace, with the Trust party allowing me to run the dungeons I'm more uncomfortable with tanking. I'm a new tank, and I admit I have some anxieties at times.

[@gypsyc7510]

I love the trust system in XI, so hopefully this will be as awesome.

[@DipshitKyle]

Well since they started Trust in ffXI some years back, id expected them to behave at a base level like them. And it was good. Though they didn't have any battle mechanics to worry about. But by limiting their actions and focusing them on a style, it made them really good. I could get exp chains up to 6 on incredibly tough mobs from a party of 3 Trust when it started, and that was with down time between fights.

[@azjazo]

did anyone asked the devs or someone if there are plans to upgrade squadrons to be able to use them as trust later? would be nice to have more variety via npcs or squadrons (that are more npcs tho and have already half the work done)

[@barryward2128]

Is the trust thing only for dungeons or have they said we can pal around with them in the open world and I missed the memo

[@Rageypeep]

How did loot work with them? Does all the same loot drop or is it more limited? Can I use the trusts to farm all the loot for myself or has that been nerfed?

[@smallfuzzypeach]

What was the Raubahn Ultimate fiasco? (I was still levelling so I was out of the loop)

[@NightArcHero]

When Stormblood launched a lot of players were stuck on this one instance quest that came from Raubahn and it was right at the beginning of the expansion. It was mostly cause be DDoS attacks at the time and a small amount of player bottlenecking

[@ROZUN]

if they opened this up to all dungeons in the game I'd come back after being away for years

[@nobiggeridiot]

I totally like to solo social games ! Then again, a lot of the pugs leave a lot to be desired, either in ability or social ability, or even rudimentary courtesy. But that makes the cool groups where everyone kicks ass, exchanges saluations and banter, so much sweeter. I get it, but its a sad state of affairs that necessitates something like this. Thanks for the vid !

[@Jake-cp4wb]

Exactly. Maybe it won't be a huge deal right now but a couple tweaks down the road and all of a sudden no more group dungeons. It's really a bummer imo. I'd play dragon age if trusts were what I wanted. But it appears I'm the minority with this opinion so maybe ffxiv just isn't the game for me anymore.

[@Shredder75X]

I was using my Squadron to level alts as it can be a fast way to do so. I found the A.I. adequate so if the Trust system has improvements over the squadron system I think it should be fine. I prefer to play with people though but I see the appeal of playing with story npcs.

[@Mikey20555]

This is fantastic. Hopefully they will go back and implement in some of the older content as well. It might be cool to maybe have some different people for different dungeons. Like Satasha and what-not you could have that newbie group that falls apart. I'd set the available trust options on a per dungeon basis based on who was available at that point in the story and not just use the scions everywhere.

[@SawyerFriend]

I've wanted something like this for so damn long.

[@ButterNuss.]

This is SO good and it was needed. If you reached a Story Trial and/or Dungeon at Nighttime as DPS you had Queue Times up to 50 Minutes. Sometimes you dont even find a Group at all. I waited 2,5 Hours for the Nidhogg trial... But i wonder if the AI breaks at certain points. A.e teh first Boss in the Aurum Vale. Will they take the DebuffCleanse after 3 Stacks or do they just tank it and die?

[@seluhir8820]

As far as you saw, did it look like the trust system could be used as a duo or trio to fill slots or did it seem to be just solo?

[@josephwilliamson3228]

Shadowed Blade just solo

[@seluhir8820]

That's a real pity... If it worked in small parties, it'd be a great system for people who want to play in a small group... and a great way to get my wife to be more interested in playing.

[@Abionx]

yeah i personally like it, it makes it feel somewhat more close to a traditional FF game going through the story mode with your actual party members in a since, great for immersion and role playing aspects, even if just for a dungeon to dungeon basis, big PLUS there lol, but i do hope its better to role with other players for say loot and exp or something since it would make interacting with others less likely and have the same problem wow has atm which killed it. for example, you dont get gear from trust or like mrhappy said, it takes alot longer so its inefficient exp, were you could just grind mobs in the world for better exp per hour for lvling your alt characters or something. but then again might be a nice way to lvl alts also now that are dps to avoid long ques

[@edengrey670]

I feel like it would make much more sense to have this at the early game not the late game. Early game is when you're still learning the roles and with this you could feel more comfortable to explore, learn, and take your time. Far less useful for veteran players

[@XeroStrife5]

Forgive me if this has been answered somewhere before. Can multiple people enter a dungeon using this system? I currently only really have one active friend and if the queues are too long it would be cool if we could go in together with two of the npc. I know we could enter solo instances, but it's kinda lame to do that instead of playing together. I try to play tank/healer since they're always a dps, but I do want to use dps sooner rather than later.

[@josephwilliamson3228]

XeroStrife5 solo only for the trust system

[@GuardianofAges2023]

I love this system. Should've done this from the start with ARR. A lot of people have anxiety and I, for one, would rather much do dungeons with NPCs and not have to wait for queue than to wait for a queue, and deal with toxic bullshit from the peanut gallery.

[@ureshiiiiii]

I can relate so much to your comment.

[@gdoggo2024]

The Trust system in XI is great. It's in depth, you earn your trusts, both number and characters, and you can use them mostly anywhere if I remember correctly. I understand that the XI system came in as population continued to wane, but I truly hope trusts in XIV get expanded much more widely than just using them in the current exp pack's MSQ. Implementing it in this state almost assures a bottleneck at every MSQ, at least at ShB launch -- it's the only place you can try out the new feature! Give me open-world trusts, and so long as FATEs have the same sort of bonuses as they do in SB, I'll be grinding FATEs to recap jobs. Heck, I'd finally get that FATE achievement. It's actually a great and efficient way to level if you have even a single companion to do it with, and it will help to avoid the dreaded 'Raubahn Ultimate', because you won't be confined to such a narrow bit of content to enjoy the feature. Expanding the Trust feature is definitely the way to go in my eyes.

[@XPlayer52c]

My first post was before watching the whole vid, sry about that; the only question I currently have is can we do a mix of pc and npc in this dungeon? (Got a guy that claims to be insecure with tanking even though he tanked all right pre-HW)

[@tohewanka]

I do have a question. In squadrons if you (the player) dies you go back to the beginning. Is this the same for the trust system or no?

[@smudgedragon]

My biggest, burning question with the trust is do you need to do it solo? Or can you use it to fill out an undersized party? I have a questing partner that I love playing with, and there's a lot of time we'd love to do a dungeon run synced with just the two of us so we had a chance of looking around and seeing things that dumping into a duty finder party (which runs balls to the walls) simply won't allow. We have found that running an undersized party, unsynced and over level/gear is no fun as it's just simply not challenging enough. (If you don't have the potential of wiping, it's not worth doing.) But if we could use the trust system to fill in our missing with less drama inducing party members, for some runs, I think that it would really improve our game-play experience. Especially for first clears. I'm hopeful. But am braced for the answer being 'no' too.

[@robzambito930]

I’ve been playing 11 again for the 1st time since 14 came out and it is so much more fun

[@dmcdante1991]

This is going to effectively kill dungeon queues, RIP.

[@rayanalmaimani4392]

it's already dead, the minimum queue time for dps is 20 min on peak hours, I wouldn't mind waiting for daily roulettes because you have other things to do. but when it comes to msq's you just have to wait and do nothing sometimes up to an hour.

[@042Decoy]

Are people going to get the same xp running a dungeon in a trust vs running it normally? I would assume if it's not the same some people might run it but not as many.

[@jamaldowner]

R.I.P. Squadron system. At least I never bothered to learn their names.

[@aliciafraser1835]

How is it RIP to the squadron system? They're still usefull for everthing from 20 - 70.... you can't do trusts in dungeons below 70. Not to mention, doing squadrons is the only way to get captain rank.

[@nauscakes1868]

Are these instance only, or can you take one out in the real world like Star Wars: The Old Republic companions?

[@Shiirow]

instance only.