First Official Race & Art Submissions | Hermitcraft X 1183

[@xisumavoid]

Honey blocks under slabs slow the player down - we don't want that, this is a race :-)

[@ScottGood]

@@xisumavoid you could swap the colors of the armor stands in places where you're allowed to go one armor stand back versus having to start all over in a section or just add a rule that says you have to hit every armor stand.

[@x96gamefreak96x]

Why don't you use the models on the armor stands, for example one dot meaning you can start from there two meaning you can't or you have to jump from another aemor stand.

[@sandieweerasinghe5130]

Well there goes my idea

[@Xeroxias]

If both players are penalized equally for missing a jump, it's still a race! It's just the muddy off-pavement part of the track

[@Thumper8544]

if you just lower that bump by 1/2 would that disable it?

[@piemy]

“This is exactly why you need etho testing your games” true lol

[@dariaemagan5812]

Etho does that in every gamr 😂. When I hear him say "i need some clarifications on the rules" i know he discovered a shortcut once again

[@henriquetomas6659]

I have one suggestion to Mace Race. Players may practise a lot and do a few races when you are not there. To make sure the Maces don't get too low on durability and break, you could install a XP Station near the entrance (Joel sells xp stations (he can build one) in his new XP shop). This way players can continue to play without being afraid of the mace breaking or needing to go repair them

[@addamek09]

I think the problem can be solved by a simple rule: "You cannot skip any armorstands by running"

[@JBC352]

I was thinking just in the affected sections, he could put down some distinctly different colored blocks like black or yellow wool or quartz as the course ground (except the ones under the armor stands to keep the copper blocks) as where you can’t jump from, since the issue only affects the areas right before a 1 block drop in elevation.

[@thorgil8190]

You could put pointed dripstone or small amethyst buds on the ground right in front of the armour stand. This way players will hit the ground before they can hit the armour stand again. The amethyst buds also would emit some light, sadly only light level 1, so you might need some more glow lichen in other spots. (If you take bigger buds / cluster then they go up to light level 4)

[@xisumavoid]

Oh thats really clever!!!! Gg

[@7oda_alnakeeb]

U should hit it from the side in those parts so u can put string around the armor stand this will prevent players hit the armor stand except from the top

[@NicoSleepyLeen]

Hermits and their unstoppable love for not lighting places I don't know how you do it, it fills me with anxiety

[@potatoesforlife1234]

Etho casually breaking another game. I don't know how I'd feel putting so much time and effort and love into a game just for Etho's mindset to be "How can I take advantage of a mechanic and exploit it to the high heavens?". Must be very humbling.

[@ProjectKhopesh]

I love playtesters who can do that. It helps me make better designs.

[@timwoods2852]

Most game designers welcome players who think like that. That's part of the testing process and shows time and attention were put into finding contingencies. Not having testers like this is how we get buggy, exploitable messes like a lot of the modern Sonic games.

[@potatoesforlife1234]

@@timwoods2852 That makes sense, and I'd welcome that too, because they are very helpful. I guess my perspective comes from the writer in me. I'm working on a story, and it would really hurt if someone found a plot hole that I couldn't fix. Luckily, I haven't come across that problem, but that's neither here nor there. I guess my point is that though it is definitely helpful to have those kinds of players, it would still hurt.

[@timwoods2852]

@potatoesforlife1234 Both are relatable and can be frustrating for the creator, but in a good way. Editors are great in your example because one person finding a plot hole is better than releasing your work and everybody finding the flaw. For writing, it gives you an opportunity to come up with new lore or scenarios and expand your universe. "Victory comes from finding opportunities in problems." -Sun Tzu

[@Starhunter1975]

Etho and his curious mind. Breaking games since the 1980s. Thanks for the episode X.

[@Ulv_en]

hahah lol beaking games while he was 1 year old, nah, maby not XD

[@Starhunter1975]

Etho was trying to make games when he was 8. Which was in the 1980s.

[@ninjasuperman9538]

It seems like the mace is based on “time in air” and not “blocks fallen” it seems like Etho just holds out as long as possible before swinging

[@rhmb1019]

Please call the hermit art gallery The Hermitage

[@lorenzogeere1956]

YES!!!

[@Crahdol]

2 rule suggestions for the Etho Exploit: Either: "you may not RUN past any armor stand (though you may jump over them)" Or: "if you land on the course (not including checkpoints) you not move forward, only back, until you can launch of an armor stand"

[@Gojibeere99]

27:11 the horror of phone calls (loved the episode, so much typical moments to recognize for the hermits: etho breaking the game, rendog-theater-kid speeches and xisuma perfectly organizing everything but not liking the attention of having to give a speech

[@respectrealperson290]

😂 Etho, finding every advantage using glitches to win (Not). X, "That's so annoying!"

[@agentminerchuan007]

Imagine one of them shouting FUBAR as the creeper, skeletons and phantoms come X is feeling what tango felt last season

[@astral_08]

Hmm... 37:19 about those issue, how about change the floor block into flat area or put the armor stand on the wall block or fence block maybe? So they can't have momentum jump for the cheaty trick...

[@eyeofthebeholder_]

Yes. Remove the bump, have the armor stands in the middle floating, so there's no opportunity for a one block jump.

[@MazarRackham]

To fix the one block jump exploit, place honey blocks underneath a bottom copper slab, and players can only jump 1/2 up, similar to the powdered snow and carpet mechanic you showed earlier. Maybe you've got to raise or lower it by half a slab, but it can be completely hidden and maintain the color palette.

[@Astroplatypus]

Sprint jumping could still get them far enough to bypass this

[@OceanBagel]

For the one-block jumps, you could simply flatten out the ground so that there's nothing to jump off, or alternately if you want a more high-tech solution, you could make it so the ground retracts when it senses footsteps. This would need to be calibrated so that it doesn't detect spectators, but it would mean you get to keep the aesthetics while the players are doing it properly while preventing the cheese if the players are walking straight to the end. Also although it wasn't mentioned, an easy idea to prevent jumping off the sides would be to place glass blocks along the sides to a sufficient height to prevent players from getting up there.

[@freshbeanz1090]

I glad ren won. He has been practicing to complete the track in 1 go, without messing up.

[@dhi_holo]

I think the simple form of the solution to the Etho skip is simply a rule saying you can't jump off the track blocks to hit an armour stand further in the course. Going backwards is allowed (so the staircases are valid), but you either can jump off the platform blocks, or hit the armour stands while already airborne from other armour stands, to move forwards through the track, that's the limits The only potential issue is effectively reverse etho skip (where the raised stands are, jumping backwards to do it, rather than returning to the platform), but I'd say it's closer to the same energy as skipping a stair, and having to turn around twice probably would be slightly slower than just doing it properly in the first place

[@emmaporter8160]

You could put ‘caution three block fall’ signs in the tall sections

[@crappytoast2441]

❌ mob vote ✅ art vote Honestly a really cool project on the server

[@Dylan_Thomas1]

Yeah, and the building is gorgeous from seemingly infinite angles inside & out. Gravitated to your comment because this added to that was in my head rewatching the art gallery sections. So cool!

[@ee-sm8ey]

not you catching the glowing effect from the exploded creeper

[@haaldor]

I think the easiest and best fix for Etho Skip (™) would be to colour-code ledges you can jump of to hit armor stands. You don't have to colour-code whole sections or anything or redesign sections, it's just like in Assassin's Creed or other games, a bit of colour on edges of platforms that you can jump off of. Moreover, you could colour them differently, for example gold for unoxidized and iron for oxidized lane, or crimson and warped wood etc. This would help to also name the lines, because let's be fair - "unoxidized vs oxidized lane" is harder to say than "silver vs gold line" or "warped vs crimson lane" etc.

[@LegendAeternus]

Maybe put cut copper on the edge of each of the sections where you can jump off backwards. It would be simple and consistent with the design language at the start of all the sections.

[@PIGGYboi]

You could put a bridge connecting the two sides at the end and add a podium for the trophy like how fall guys has the crown at the end and first to touch it wins

[@fadran11]

For that one section in particular (the first one Etho explotied), I would take out the middle stair bits and just leave the armor stands floating in the air. To prevent players from jumping off the stairs leading back, you could also put a mini bubble elevator in lieu of stairs back up to the platform you start from.

[@veiledmasquerade]

new rendog video "Don't call Etho at 3am!!! SCARY. REAL... GONE WILD"

[@Imperial_Squid]

You could put some lava under copper grates to signal that the section is a "the floor is lava" section and has to be done all in one go ie without just walking across it

[@ryanodonnell3684]

Hey X, Since you are using the extreme stages for jump platforms and the middle stages for areas you shouldn't jump off, when there are tiers you can keep going from just use a trim of the extreme stage so they know they can jump down from that edge and keep going!

[@Dinopjok]

You go to a rocket shop and you words are "I was blown away" come on 😂😂😂 11:04

[@saelorasinanardiel8983]

have a row of fully clean/oxidised copper on the edge of where you're allowed to jump off. then add the rule that all jumps must begin on fully clean/oxidised copper.

[@derekhamilton7451]

I think that choosing some art submissions yourself and having a community vote (from a short-list obviously) for one or two is an excellent solution for those Hermits who want community involvement but also their own choice. Also, there should be a section for artworks involving all the hermits, which could be chosen by a vote amongst the Hermits and/or an audience vote.

[@MrBrazill]

You could put a stripe of carpet on the outside copper wall of the lane in sections where all the armour stand hits are "mandatory"

[@aurorknight]

To indicate the partitions of the course you can add a trim to the armor stands, redstone trim for a star from the begining area, and lapis trim for the quick comeback area

[@AwwsmGaurav]

X, bring back Mushroom/Mycelium island as the shopping district and gaming district next season, so that there's no problem of spawn proofing.

[@KRvira]

The way X says "schedule" will always stay near and dear to me lol

[@loekiepower152]

Timestamp please 😭😭🙏🙏

[@slugmage.]

@@loekiepower1520:43

[@Jimmyzation]

Makes me want to rip my ears off, but you do you

[@Jimmyzation]

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[@loekiepower152]

@@slugmage.tysm 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@Spacebar33]

Mace race existing makes me so impatient for the world download

[@GabrielRettig]

Omg!!! Etho watched happy Gilmore!! Idk why this surprised me but I’m so happy!!

[@moontravellerjul]

super cool side-by-side editing for the final race!!

[@jacobconley927]

You could use water logged copper stairs to create a blue line across indicating a no jump zone

[@Luigi12267]

Awesome episode! Absolutely loved seeing the races and love the new wall around it! Can’t wait to see more races! Keep up the amazing work! Have a fantastic day! See you next time!

[@respectrealperson290]

Hiya X! Yeah, the Mace raceway is super cool. Taking the new game mechanic items to make this eXciting game is genius!!! Thank you!

[@eloquentornot]

Great to see that wide shot of the Neighbourhood at the start! Lol the chaos of mobs in Mace Race!! Cool that the races and fanart submissions have started! Also... to give feedback on the presentation of the final race, I found the double first-person POVs of all that jumping quite disorienting and rather uncomfortable to watch, maybe that's just me, but I think a wide view of the whole race, closer to what you were doing with freecam earlier, would be better? Maybe with things like replay mod or something?

[@WillCrookston]

Maybe use all four kinds of copper, and the ones where it’s not fully oxidized or slightly oxidized means you have to start at the begging of that part (such as the parts Etho found out you could go to the end part)

[@Louiecog]

Love the way you had the split screen with Ren’s point of view. Lots of fun.

[@yin-fire3263]

There is a terracota with an arrow. You can put it in the floor so it's not visible unless you're on top of the little platforms after jumping or landing on them.

[@georgelopez2001]

love the video X! For a solution to mace race, maybe change the armor stand to two different types depicted by different colors. For example, red armor stands have to be hit consecutively after another armor stand while blue armor stands can be hit while jumping from a block.

[@elliotgandersen]

For the EthoExploit you could put yellow and black cation blocks on simply the edge. Good video.

[@paperoses]

If there's one thing I learned watching Etho over the years - he's good in finding workarounds lmao

[@Jland-q9k]

Could be a good opportunity to use glazed magenta terracotta. They fit the color scheme and you could have the arrows pointing backwards in the zones that require players to go back to the start of the section. You wouldn't need to rip out a ton of the existing blocks, just one row.

[@dino_drawings]

You could do a line of clear/fully oxidized copper as indicators at the edges where you can jump back? You already use them in between the segments.

[@l3varnu]

I think the best way is probably to raise the armor stands up a little so the timing for the 1 block jump is really tight

[@manahakume9870]

maybe lay color coded carpet on the walls for the sections? not only would it let people know what their allowed to do in that section but it would spawn proof the walls :3

[@ManicMiner6]

At the end of the race you should have the winner hit a bell with their hammer! Can't wait to see the tournaments for it^^

[@Steamscreativejournal]

you could use copper grates to signify that it's "open" to jumping back vs solid blocks(maybe chiseled) that it's close to jumping. Or something to this effect.

[@Jaffa-Gaming]

You could use the Chiseled Copper blocks on the floor to show 'No Jump Zones' as they look a little like an 'X'. That way you can keep with the copper

[@PsiVolt]

So much theorizing when the answers are on the wiki, "The mace does a smash attack when it is used after the player has fallen 1.5 blocks or more" The player jump is 1.25 blocks so in theory you could even just jump off a few layers of snow and get enough fall distance, it'll be tough to time though The official Minecraft wiki has had this info since before the full release of 1.21, they keep it incredibly up to date with snapshots as well. Surprised the snapshot man isn't up-to-date with this info!

[@emi_fluffy]

You could do checkpoint with the slightly weathered and weathered copper blocks respectively: if they fall they have to hit de armorstand just after that line to continue, so in the passages where they can go back, you could make a line right in front of the armourstands.

[@ladydragon3648]

Hello Xisuma. Thank you for letting us see all that going on with your New game you made. Wow that was crazzzzzy to see.

[@QUINT_09]

Maybe banners could be used to indicate which sections you need to go back to the beginning when you fail it, and another banner that indicates a section where it is okay to just go back one armor stand.

[@tntristan12]

@xisumavoid - so disappointed at you for missing the perfect opportunity for a very punny tagline. Mace Race: It's A-mace-ing!

[@jetty9678]

For the armour stands with the stairs, raise the ones on either side of the stairs so it’s not possible to jump from the stairs.

[@SnyperMK2000JclL]

Change the blocks used for the "ledges" for each jump section, a specific type of block at a ledge indicates you are allowed to jump off that ledge onto an armorstand.

[@HeartGamer26]

I just love the mace race and of course Xisuma would forget to take off his wings. And those pillagers just were jealous they couldn't participate.

A simple way to signify where you can jump from is to change the color of the floor (so not every block, just a small amount) in those sections or the color of the floor in the sections you're not allowed to jump in. You're already doing that with the raised platforms between the sections.

[@dxjxc91]

You could place some carpet to indicate edges you are allowed (or not allowed) to jump off.

[@swarfsbackshop9632]

i think the easiest way to denote that a section can't be skipped would be to just use the other lanes colour armstand. so the copper lanes unskipable armstand pillars are the oxide version and vise versa.

[@jeffreyblack666]

The simple way to indicate it is to use a type of block. I would suggest a mesh block. If they are on a mesh block, they can jump from it to use the mace. If they aren't they can't. Or a general rule of you can jump backwards, but not forwards, and indicate where you can jump forwards.

[@yawnberg]

To prevent jumping off of certain blocks, maybe make them bottom slabs on top of honey blocks where possible.

[@Ivan1_]

Solution: where it goes up and then down (which allows the shortcut), move the first 2 armour stands 2 blocks down so that it only goes up, or move just the middle one 2 blocks down so that you can only skip the first one. The shortcut will no longer be possible. This solution does have a drawback: if you fail, you don't have to return to the start of the section, because the same trick will be possible when going backwards - but this could actually be allowed, because you already lose lots of time by turning back, and also you probably have to hit the armour stand twice to turn back again.

[@gauwal]

the easy way to fix it is to say "you can only jump from the fully oxidized copper (or cleen copper depending on the lane) since the obstacle are on different materials. The just add a small strip of "jump allowed" blocks (oxidized or cleean depending) on the edges of the platforms you're allowed to jump backwards (hope this makes sense) Only like 50 block per lanes to change

[@nohbleegottani2766]

If you’re worried about any “weak entry points” in your lovely new wall just pop some carpets on top. 😂That was certainly some mob chaos! You’ll have to put a PSA telling Hermits to make sure they’ve slept 😂

[@ThornMu]

Ren's Carboloading before the race was hilarious!

[@StarNanny]

🤔 Maybe honey underneath the blocks you don’t want peeps to run and jump from? Etho and Impulse both used that in their games.

[@HeavyEvy666]

Woah perfect run from Ren. All that practice payed off

[@macieparmenter4544]

The new redstone torch texture reminds me strongly of lollipops and I would like to eat one to see how it would taste. My bet is cinnamon.

[@TNTspaz]

The minigames this season are so good man

[@thearichinson2241]

Xisuma giving Moss vibes from IT Crowd with the phone call threat jokes

[@AndreChaosweapon]

to the sections we are proibited the "Etho Cheese" you can use a checkboard pattern with oxidized copper and non-oxidized copper in both areas to make more easy, because you can just exchange the blocks and the pattern is achieved on both sides

[@flamethrowex]

to indicate which sections you're allowed to turn back just one armour stand on, maybe you could use colour coding along just the edges of the dropoffs? that would put a clear delineation of "zones" that the player passes through, and would help highlight the prominent feature of the backtrack zones (them having steep cliff dropoffs) to make them clearly visually distinct

[@lemuhnn]

Oh I cant wait to see the other hermits do the course

[@cartersims1309]

Could you use honey blocks underneath slabs to stop the etho short cut

[@xisumavoid]

What if they are not slabs?

[@teresagreen-e]

@@xisumavoid carpets? it would mess up the colours a little, but still be similar enough imo

[@scarletpastereau]

maybe you could lower the full blocks around the armor stands to be half slabs so the honey would still work?

[@scarletpastereau]

lowering by the half block might also just stop the 1 block just anyway since itd be half a block shorter of a jump

[@ScottGood]

Why not just add it to the rulebook that every armor stand must be hit? That would take away all of ethos shortcuts.

[@EvesterBee]

Could you use copper grates to indicate you can’t jump off them vs solid copper for you can? Logic/way to remember would be the grates are more ‘fragile’ but you’d still have to directly tell the hermits or let them read it That was fun to watch though!

[@ltskai]

37:20 I think it’s already there to be honest. The bits you don’t want them to jump off have stairs leading back to the starts, whereas the bits you are allowed to jump off and continue from do not (and are also more than one block high) So I would argue it’s already been done :) just need to make the rule into words now

[@TheWaffleLord6787]

You could lock/seal the armor stands to stop them from being destroyed by projectiles

[@VanAller]

Maybe carpet squares on the tops of armor stands that you can hit by backtracking.. or everyone loves the pink terracotta arrow 😂

[@Kiwimarauder]

Have a good break, X! This was fun

[@Cuestrupaster]

What Etho found for me it was something Xisuma was already aware of, and I was thinking about asking it, but I just figured out it wouldn't be a valid strategy otherwise the course would be different... but then Etho cames and do exactly what I was thinking...

[@xyznihall]

great video x! wow ren is amazing at mace race

[@MR13IGH]

Love that race! Saw Ren practice the other day and thought it would take something special to beat him. Were the one block jump part is maybe do a powdered snow drop around the armour stands so they have to go back to the start of the section???

[@MiklPis]

Copper Bulbs would do for a nice light source instead of the Lichen; pretty obvious but good choice, imo. :) And wouldn't it be better with cyan rockets? But I love Mace Race, it's such a good idea!

[@pirateben]

keep it as it is speed runners always find the bugs to go faster and if you still want to stop it just put honey or something that you cant jump from as easy with a carpet i feel this game is good now

[@cantbedeleted]

I have an idea for Mace Race. What about giving each hermit a trophy and the winner takes the other persons trophy? Then, when (or if) someone gets all of them, they get a prize, and each trophy is returned to its original owner? I just think it could help make it more fun.

[@andreszejner7434]

Just a slight color change in the areas where Etho found the run+jump exploit, maybe skulk veins, and a line in the instructions saying "you cannot jump from the veiny areas" will ,make it easy to see and no need to change much.

[@djbabymode]

A 38 minute video that has a lot of Cub, Ren and etho? Today is a good day

[@heroblender]

For mace race, maybe some copper bulbs worked into the design that are on/off signifying if you have to go back to the start of the section or not?

[@hank-d7e]

You could use honey blocks with coipper half slabs on top to not let people jump

[@nattherat44]

False was upgrading the neighbourhood portal, so she moved the eyes onto Cleo's tower

[@molly_the_spy]

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