Let's Drown Out... Duke Nukem Forever

OH BOLLOCKS we forgot to pick a word. It's alright, we did it off air: next week's word of the week is 'Tired'. Anyway, Gabriel prerecords us a video of that most improbable of shooter releases, recording the footage in teeny-tiny shitty-resolution-vision so blame him for that. Let's see if we can beat last week's misogyny record.

[@Based_Papa]

Yahtzee and Gabe are my favorite Gabe and Yahtzee on the internet.

[@MCHellshit]

You mean Yaht²?

[@Autumn_Actually]

MCHellshit Blasphemer! Why don't you go off and watch Yaht²'s videos, then!?

[@iller3]

***** that's back when he peaked. NeitherNor Forever, coming 2015...

[@Doktor_Jones]

You should had write hedgehog instead repeating the last joke

[@DanielAvelan]

Dude, you will never be able to repeat the funniest comment trend again. Stop being like sonic team.

[@BrightSpark]

Fun fact: The Holsom Twins are voiced by the voice actress of Ralph Wiggum from the Simpsons in the German version, and Duke has the voice actor of Bruce Willis. So if you played the game in German, you got greeted by two Ralph Wiggums sucking off Bruce Willis. How's that for a mental image?

[@alexandertrnkvistdehli6084]

well, ralph aint the smartest individual.so it might happen for all we know.

[@grindorblackout1986]

NO DO NOT WANT. BAD

[@BrightSpark]

Arizoko To mentally scar you with the image of Ralph Wiggum having sexual congress with Bruce Willis in the intro of Duke Nukem Forever.

[@CplYakob]

And now the Simpsons has a new, twisted edge of humour for me.

[@soundslave]

Why was Bruce Willis hired to voice just the German version?

[@RS250Squid]

Since LDO is sadly no longer a thing, maybe we can get Yaht² and Blabliel Shmorton to pick up where they left off! :-D.

[@lehelisbored]

Damnit, I liked this comment some years ago and I can't like it again, even though I felt like I was reading it again for the first time.

[@RS250Squid]

@@lehelisbored Good to know folks are still coming back and watching these 🙂

[@Zergosmuahaha]

I get what you you're saying, but in theory a fan recreation of a Let's drown out format can be good. The only obstacle is to find two people with a chemistry and bam, the format is no longer stagnant. Sure, it won't be Gabe and Yahtzee, but it wouldve been somewhat of a passing of torch if you know what i mean

[@theblackwidower]

@@RS250Squid It's good to come back to as background noise. Either this or listen to shit music.

[@RS250Squid]

@@theblackwidower I have a playlist of about 35 of the LDOs that I just use as background noise when I'm working 🙂

[@MagpieDynamics]

I went and looked up John the hedgehog out of morbid curiosity (and because that's my name) and instead I got a bunch of stuff about how the actor who plays John Watson in Sherlock looks like a hedgehog. Slipped through the cracks of one fandom only to land smack in the middle of another.

[@ColdPants89]

Flash forward to 2017, Shenmue 3 is announced.

[@SHDW-nf2ki]

Flash forward to 2019 and its playable

[@BladeV8]

@@SHDW-nf2ki Flash forward to 2020 and its released.

[@terribleduelist4433]

Also Flash forward to 2020 it's just kind of meh

[@JonathanLewispartypenguin]

Flash forward to 2021 and this joke has been cancelled due to coronavirus.

[@macledou]

I laughed so hard when Gabe muttered "This game should've ended in a suicide..."

[@inquisitorgrand]

You know, looking at this game 5 years later made me realize how fucking straight-faced this game is. It's not a self-aware anarchic roast of itself like, say, Saints Row 4 was, nor is it a satire of the modern military shooter like what Spec Ops did with its soul-crushing story and character development alongside standard MMS gameplay. So many games came out after this and did everything unintentionally better; all this game succeeded in doing was stagnate. You know what would've been a great development for this game? If at the final level, we see the aliens slaughtering humans left to right and people protesting against Duke Nukem for ostensibly doing fuck-all to stop the alien race and Duke's Ego bar slowly depletes as he realizes that his hedonistic lifestyle left him hollow and worthless. Then, when his ego bar almost depletes, his health bar fully regenerates, now labeled "Altruism" as he destroys the alien hivemind and saves humanity. Wouldn't change the shit gameplay, though.

[@mynameisseangeldart]

Wow. Could you work for 3d Realms sir?

[@yosefyonin6824]

spot on statement. right on. and to add even more insult. the ORIGINAL duke nukem 3d indeed was self-aware! duke was the only funny character in the whole game. everthing is is serious, grim and gritty. with only a few jokes and a break here and there. unlike this game which is so full of himself that it's oozing all over the place

[@hugobernardoferreirapintop8557]

That's the least Duke Nukem finale you could possibly imagine. If he saw people protesting after he fucked up a thousand tons of aliens he'd most likely slaughter the aliens next to them with explosives, inflating his already overly massive ego and probably giving you an infinite health bar for the boss. Hail to the king baby, because he has balls of steel. What this game needed was the childish, over the top jokes that these developers clearly were never able to do. This required a level of obnoxious that has not been in the market for decades.

[@Skippy19812]

An interesting concept, but a little on the nose. The difference between Duke 3D and Duke Forever is the tongue in cheek delivery. The world of Duke 3D is completely bonkers and Duke's larger than life character fits right in. It is, for all intents and purposes, a cartoon. Duke Nukem 3D satirized the macho man hero cliche by reveling in it to extremes. See also Snake Pliskin in Escape from New York. To suddenly switch the tone to match something like Spec Ops would probably come off as cheap emotional manipulation, but I could see a Saint's Row style roast working quite well.

[@yosefyonin6824]

nah, the difference between duke 3d and duke forever is that in the original. duke was the ONLY funny thing in this game. you fought legitimately scary monsters in a ruined world and apart from a few secrets the only funny thing is the protagonist himself. in duke forever the whole world is as dumb a literal joke like duke himself. so instead of duke seeimg humoursly out of place in a grim world, its the WHOLE GAME out of place of gaming as a whole

[@Gunman610]

The idea of Duke living in an ego hell reminds me of an episode of The Twilight Zone, where a gangster is shot by police and wakes up in the afterlife. He gets anything he wants, wins every game, gets every girl and realizes that since he never fails, there's no challenge and his existence is meaningless and miserable. That's when he's told that he's in Hell.

[@MysteriumArcanum]

Futurama parodied that in one of the "Scary Door" scenes, of course they also referenced the episode where the guy looked like Hitler

[@Shorty_Lickens]

oh yeah they spoofed that one in an episode of Futurama.

[@buamp8186]

That Shenmue 3 conversation aged well

[@heavilyaugmented5308]

Why do some people defend this game. DNF makes satire of modern military shooters yet all it is would be a modern military shooter with a protagonist who won't shut up.

[@spiderjerusalem100]

Probably because they're blinded by nostalgia for Duke Nukem 3D. It's like the people who keep defending Sonic despite the fact that his games have been getting shittier and shittier for over 10 years. This game makes fun of other games like Halo and Dead Space but it's inferior to those games in every single way. Maybe they were trying to be ironic?

[@LinX1515]

Spider's Gaming Arcadia I think the weirdest people are those who loved Duke3d, but are shocked or offendend by all the misogyny and the women getting raped to death in the alien ship/base in DNF, when the original Duke3d also had pod-women, strippers and the only thing which prevented it from going the way DNF went, was the lack of technology at the time....

[@DisgruntledNorwegian]

***** Didn't think Serious Sam BFE was a failure. I thought it was rather refreshing to have a good old enemy spamming old school FPS. Bunny Hopping ALIVE AND WELL!

[@IGIPNP]

LinX1515 I've not played Duke3d, but I imagine abstraction and lesser graphics matters a lot. Like, for instance, in something like Vice City I don't feel so bad for civilians and police dying because of their abstractions and exaggerations. In something like GTA IV, I tend to not like killing because it's much more realistic and can be disturbing (even just hitting a pedestrian by accident when not shooting anybody can feel kind of bothersome). I imagine that's the issue with DNF versus 3D. Even if the actual content is pretty similar, the much more realistic graphics increases how disturbing that scene is. It's also kind of baffling it was left in, as I think most people were pretty dumbfounded that they'd do something like that in a modern game. To use another example, tons of people love Mario as a plumber in a fantastical world, but I imagine if you tried to make it more realistic looking a lot of people would be put off by that. Abstraction definitely matters.

[@lilituthebetrayer2184]

+Serpico's Beard, i really don't think anyone who played Duke Nukem 3D, when it was fresh and liked it would give two fucks about defending Duke Nukem Forever. I know i won't, for one, and most of people i know won't. On the other hand, people like to deceive themselves, so maybe they are doing just that.

[@exiledPostman]

Duke Nukem Forever... I actually went to the midnight release of this and paid $60 for it. After playing it for an hour, I realized I was tricked.

[@99sonder]

It wasn't Duke Nukem forever, it was Duke Nukem for an hour.

[@OCMOOO]

Was it the greatest game in the world before the 60th minute?

[@BSMerlin064]

You mean to say you bought Duke Nukem The FanFiction?

[@r2dezki]

You didn't get tricked. You tricked yourself.

[@flyingspaghetti]

You paid for a game before getting information for it. And we have internet nowadays. It suits you well. Pirate, read about or demo it before buying. This isn't the 90s with shareware via email. JFC

[@onkkell]

I'd say that in Pitch Black, Riddick is a pretty human character with flaws and who makes mistakes. He gets captured by the bounty hunter several times in the movie and gets his ass handed to him by the monsters when he actually faces more than one of them, which is when they're actually dangerous. His ability to see in the dark is also one of his major weaknesses, making him close to helpless without his goggles when in light. And perhaps most importantly, he's not always the shining beacon of right and reason and isn't out to save anyone but himself. But after Pitch Black, they realized how popular the character was, so they exaggerated him and made him superhuman and something of a hero, instead of a criminal who doesn't mind hurting others for his own gain. He became much more like the type of character you speak of. I actually enjoy the second movie too, but in the later movies I agree on him being mostly a character that's supposed to cool by being the best at basically everything.

[@MrGoronxX]

Well said, and I could not agree more, also pitch black deserves more credit I think

[@CplYakob]

Funny thing is, Yahtzee says exactly the same stuff in his review of the Riddick games: flawed relatable anti-hero in Pitch Black, crazy chosen one in....whatever the second film was called.

[@Carnagath82]

He's an action movie character, since when do those need to have flaws? I loved Pitch Black, not so much Chronicles because it felt too polished for its own good, but the third movie, Riddick, was also really fun since he basically plays the role of the Predator from the Schwarzenegger movie, stalking people and picking them off one by one. I find it ironic that people watch tongue-in-cheek 90's action movie "tributes" that are oh-so-self aware and winking ironically at the viewer, fuck that. You liked 90's action movies, at least the good ones? That's what Riddick (2013) is, but it isn't afraid that it won't fill your hourly shitty sarcasm quota, it REVELS in the fact that it's a 90's action movie. You can't not respect that..

[@suwatsaksri7191]

They made the same thing with Rambo, First Blood portrayed him as a flawed human being forcefully turned into a killing machine to survive vietnam witnessing the gruesome death of his only friends while being manipulated by Trautman to see him as a father until he broke down at the end and Rambo 2 made him over the top

[@Farscryer0]

In Pitch Black, Riddick could get away with the holes in his character because he was essentially a "mercenary slasher" contracted to fight monsters. Its like getting Jason Voorhees to sit down and ask a price for his help to kill someone other than yourself, your very own pet monster (at least for a time). Once you try to start fleshing out his character though, like Chronicles of Riddick did, that when you find out how flat his character was all along. And there's nothing wrong with that, but a writer needs to remember that flat characters only work in the genre they were designed within; in Riddick's case, a survival horror story. And to keep this relevant to the video, Duke Nukem only works if you can make the world around him more interesting, funny, and lovable than Duke himself. Duke 3D did this by having interesting weapons and inventory tools, good environments to fight in, and adding discoverable and interactive "set dressings." You take all that away, or try get Duke "in" on the joke, and the whole thing falls flat.

[@RagingKarma2]

I like how they mention shenmue 3 and then E3 happened.

[@04whim]

"Never gonna happen" - Gabriel Morton, approximately twenty seconds too soon.

[@Megafreakx3]

+04whim So i take it that shenmue 3 with be the yang comapre to this game,than?

[@superbot3994]

Raging karma 'SEGA-San. What can you tell me about the Shenmudu'

[@BlackLegion12621]

Aaaannnnd it sucked.

[@haydenkirk8884]

This game is like the Chinese Democracy of video games. 15 years in the making and nobody liked it

[@VonOzbourne]

I get that this is an old comment, but just had to add that the other similarity is that within a year after each came out, one could be forgiven for forgetting that each had come out.

[@Zergosmuahaha]

I did. But the more time passes the more mediocre it seems to me. Still dont think its an awful game though

[@Sanelora1]

"Take less damage to avoid being killed" Gee, thanks game.

[@agent_skip]

+Sanelora1 "if you are getting shot at, avoid bullets"

[@Nyghtking]

Skip Wesdorp Sanelora1 - Bullet bad, bullet hurt!

[@randombencounter263]

Your discussion of how this game should have been makes me think of Bojack Horseman. Self-aware tragic comedy centered around a character trying to recapture his fleeting moments in the spotlight that he had back in the 90s.

[@AutisticHighHeeler]

The robot Yahtzee was describing was Cassius, from the second Semi Final in series 2. It got put on its back after the house robot Sir Killalot turned Cassius over in the pinball stage. It then flipped itself on its wheels, which had never been done before up to that point.

[@13MATTallica96]

Everytime I wind up coming back to this video for background noise it always makes me kinda sad. start thinking of the Duke Nukem Forever that could have been. Somewhere, in a parallel universe, someone is playing the Citizen Cain of first person shooters... or in the case of that odd universe where this game turn out well, "Citizen Duke."

[@JT-ho6rp]

It's sad, but hey DOOM is how you do a reboot.

[@drakeshade3521]

its more of a revitalizing sequel as its story hints majorly at it being a continuation of the series

[@alexmason2275]

Maybe it's the same universe where Yahtzee wrote the story to it.

[@GalanDun]

"Citizen Game"

[@ImortalZeus13]

"You know? I'd really like to see shenmue 3. My first thoughts were 'Never gonna happen!'" WHAT A TWIST.

[@MsTerkup]

So I ended up googling "Freya the hedgehog" to see what I got. First result was Freya the cat, a purple less "re-colour-y" character with green eyes and clad pretty androgynously. Now I absolutely adore cats, purple is my absolute favourite colour, I have green eyes and generally prefer pretty androgynous clothing. It's just so fitting to find that character there.

[@dandy269]

Hearing Yahtzee say "Chris-Chan" put the biggest smile on my face

[@chasey4634]

I beg your pardon? :D

[@benpasko]

I'm kind of shocked Yahtzee didn't play more Shadow Warrior reboot, given his infatuation with Painkiller and other fast-paced horde shooters. That game is amazing, and the characters are really surprisingly compelling.

[@dik4316]

And it's got just the right amount of racism, lest we forget.

[@mcdergan]

It really was a better FPS game than all the modern military shooters. Older FPS is just so much better than modern military shooters.

[@r2dezki]

Di, k there's actually very little actual racism, if at all. Lot of stereotypes tho.

[@cybern8ic]

"I'd say Big-E was the better of the two." "Do you mean..." "Biggie Smalls." "Was Biggie Smalls the same one as Notorious BIG?" "Ohhh maybe, I don't remember."

[@Mothman1992]

them talking about the British comedic hero reminded me of something I saw before with some British comedian talking about Animal House. specifically the scene where Belushi smashes the guys guitar. American comedians want to play Belushi in that scene, British comedians want to play the guitarist

[@CharcharoExplorer]

You should do a STALKER video. Preferably STALKER Call of Pripyat with MISERY mod on the Dark Road difficulty. It will be so much fun to see you guys... try to get through it :)

[@Doktor_Jones]

Is it boring? Is it related with the word tired?

[@CharcharoExplorer]

Nightdotexe It is by no means boring :) Tiring? Well, that is not easy to quantify. It sure as hell aint tiring me :).

[@Doktor_Jones]

Alexander Yordanov So... why should they do a video, if the requirements aren't fulfilled?

[@CharcharoExplorer]

Nightdotexe Because it is difficult (with the MISERY mod insanely so), it is complex and fair. Like Dark Souls (which Yahtzee enjoys). Boring and tiring is a very subjective thing. And most of the games they play here... arent such to me.

[@MrMadalien]

Nightdotexe Possibly. It's definitely on the same level of boredom as some of the games they've played.. STALKER isn't boring, but most games they play aren't, either.

[@bellboy64]

I applaud Yahtzee's impromptu rendition of "Grabbag" at the end there. I was impressed how accurate he was too (like he wasn't just looping the first part over and over he was vocalising the whole thing).

[@DILFDylF]

I don't know if they updated the billiards minigame since this was uploaded, but I recently started playing this (because I'm an idiot) and I spent fifteen minutes playing the damn thing and I could not avoid sinking the cue ball. It was maddening.

[@TheCorrodedMan]

Mr. Big Snake sounds like my first night playing actual pool

[@NuclearCherries]

Always, whenever anyone brings up "The Hedgehog" I thank my parents for giving me an uncommon name. Nothing comes up. I am an oddity. I am outside of the Sonic fanbase's reach. I am a free man.

[@voidmaster45]

Half-Life 3 is the new Duke Nukem Forever. No game should be in development for this long. Its really bad for the end product because you eventually forget or change a lot of what you were going for in terms of design and narrative in the first place, and you end up with an incoherent mess.

[@isodoublet]

If valve knows what's good for them they'll never make HL3. The meme is essentially free advertising for them, and nothing they come up will live up to fans' expectations at this point. Better to disappoint gamers by not releasing HL3 than to disappoint them by releasing anything less than the second coming of Jesus.

[@TheBellman]

You could have said the same thing about Half Life 2 (and people did). Don't be so sure.

[@iller3]

gogerychwyrndrobwll __Easier Solution:__ Release it F2P and give everyone who owned the first 2 eps a stupid hat. They can easily afford that just by cutting back on some of the prize money they're giving away on that fucking MOBA

[@isodoublet]

iller3 To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if even that weren't enough to mitigate the gigantic hype booger ball this game's been growing for the past 10 years.

[@iller3]

gogerychwyrndrobwll I was being more facetious than anything else really

[@Nexus42]

How about a Let's Drown Out... Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Outcast, or Jedi Academy. Awesome games and pretty nostalgic. ^^ Though it takes ages until you get a lightsaber in Jedi Outcast, but the blasters still pretty fun. Republic Commando is a great classic too. =)

[@sumguy0110]

Oh my God, somebody other than me remembers Republic Commando!

[@andrewtaulane9716]

sumguy0110 Dude, Republic Commando was my childhood! I was 12 and couldn't finish without cheats. The memories...

[@SumDumGai5]

***** Ten years is a long time in the video game world.

[@Cykoid]

The robot from robot wars Gabe and Yahtzee were thinking of was Chaos2

[@soundslave]

Weren't they talking about a silver robot? Chaos2 was mostly black. When someone says "silver wedge" I think of Razer, but that's not a flipper.

[@ASpaceOstrich]

Coulda sworn it was literally The Big Cheese. Which I always found kinda funny because the little bastard was fucking indestructible. And I remember one had a flamethrower or some shit.

[@Cykoid]

But I remember that Chaos2 was the one that was nigh on unbeatable, for ages it kept winning, I can remember it flipping one robot so high it splattered it when it hit the ground the only thing that stopped it was Sir. Killalot making it overpower it's flipper and tore it right off.

[@SirDendris]

Arizoko I think Cykoid is referring to the self-righting robot that wrecked multiple seasons in a row, which was definitely Chaos2. But yes, Cassius was the first srimech competitor robot.

[@soundslave]

Dendris Gabe and yahtz are talking about the first one.

[@grindorblackout1986]

The new DOOM game did a reboot so much better.

[@Jrez]

That's an understatement.

[@TheCorrodedMan]

You know what that means😏

[@LOLquendoTV]

Yeah, by being actually GOOD

[@ohsweatbret]

Well this isn’t a reboot, it’s a direct sequel

[@Rey-eq4vq]

Gabe and Yatzee predicted Shenmue 3.

[@cymtk]

Duke Nukem should only regenerate health (Ego) by being the stereotypical action hero i.e. running from cover guns blazing, punching dudes in the face, pulling off neat (unscripted) kills, and (Sigh) pre animated takedowns. Hiding in a corner is the LAST possible way Duke should be able to recover Ego. Sidenote, I should think ego would be maxed out at 60 or 75% while out of combat and slowly drain from 100 unless youre doing something "Cool" or action hero'ey

[@DemienC.]

Speaking about long... Fun fact: Warcraft III was in development for 4 years and result was amazing. So depends on who makes game.

[@iller3]

W3 was the last decent thing Blizzard ever made

[@TheDragonEevee]

iller3 I really don't want to be that guy but Hearthstone

[@iller3]

Theo Truter well as long as you're not saying WOW (not even Catas) then you'll never be "that guy" in my book. Hell, if Yahtzee gives Overwatch a positive review, I'll probably buy it (I bought the Orange Box for the same reason way back when)

[@TheDragonEevee]

iller3 oh yeah, in the Warcraft universe i agree W3 was the last good one blizzard made

[@Spudcosmiccc]

Well it helps that Blizzard is a pretty competent development team and they seem to have a big emphasis on quality.

[@grantd165]

These videos are here for me during this trying time.

[@ImortalZeus13]

47:25 I don't know why I find this so funny, but it looks like the woman is screaming in horror and about to collapse and the alien is leaning down, putting his hand on her head and asking if she's alright.

[@Komnen0s]

The more these guys talk about it, the more it makes sense to me. At the outset of DNF, Duke really should have been a washed-up loser who needs to redeem himself and become cool again through the events of the game's plot. It would make for better comedy, a more engaging story, and it would cheekily reflect how the DN series has fallen from the public eye since the early 2000's. I'd love to see Duke starting out as an obese, drunken wretch who's getting his house repossessed by the IRS, leaving him with just his old motorcycle, his trusty side-shooter, a bottle of cheap whiskey, and memories of the good old days. When the aliens invade, he'd throw himself into the fray in an attempt to turn his life around, gunning down armies of goons, blowing up big boss monsters, and stopping their plans to destroy the world. He'd become cool again by overcoming adversity. The ending should be him making his big comeback: he's flush with triumph after saving the earth again and people legitimately love him once more.

[@Ramrothc]

I have a game to suggest for "Lets Drown Out"! It's called E.Y.E. Divine Cybermancy, it's on sale on steam for 1 dollar! That would make for a good game to drown out.

[@wdcain1]

While I did enjoy DNF, Yahtzee's deconstructionist take on the character does sound like it would have made a much more interesting of a story. Take the piss out of the character and drag him though the mud before he triumphs at the end.

[@plasticbeetle6209]

Gabe mentioning Shenmue 3 gave me ptsd

[@besidethebishop]

"Do you really think we could make a video out of a text adventure?" "No! Didn't stop some people on the comments mentioning it though." Then you guys LPed a fucking book.

[@blindbeholder9713]

It was titled a *NOT* drown out.

[@besidethebishop]

They didn't say anything about drowning out. Just "make a video".

[@luckystriker842]

21:51 "Take less damage to avoid being killed." Apparently, Shirou Emiya is writing the tool tips on the loading screens.

[@zgillet]

I love how Gabe makes fun of people for playing through a game with cheats while writing the most juvenile, stupidest thing on the planet.

[@ebootplaysgames]

how are those even related

[@iller3]

_I love how_ reddit kids & other passive aggressive hipsters who don't know how to write engaging opening lines always seem to start with _"I love how..."_ or "I think it's funny that"...

[@Autumn_Actually]

iller3 Oh, I'm sorry- I meant to say 'The dickheadery is too strong for me.' My mistake.

[@screwthepresent9630]

Lemoncake Logan Blatantly dumb opinions are better than pseudo-intellectual 'I'm better than him, ha ha' commentary.

[@Autumn_Actually]

screwthepresent Still an asshat, either way. Or should I say ass-fedora? He seems the type, what with the 'reddit kids' and 'passive aggressive hipsters'.

[@BlueKunai]

That sensation people get from whispering and other sounds is called ASMR, Gabe. It's not an arousing feeling (not to me at least), more so a relaxing tingling sensation akin to like a brain massage for lack of a better description.

[@philold09]

I have one question: you guys have discussed that you like listening to podcasts (Yahtzee at least) to help pass the time, what are some you like and can recommend? And if Gabe doesn't listen to podcasts, what does he listen to intsead?

[@iller3]

apparently some YT guy by the name of sandman, which I did search. And I could totally understand how listening to that too long would give Gabe the impression that Sonic Fandom is the lesser of those 2 depression quests.... Actually it's probably other YT people who are tangential to that sandman guy... It helps to remember that Gabe is much more into social psychology and fitness than games...

[@r863sa]

"unlike the American system, you're not voting for a person you're voting for a party" someone tell 99% of Americans that, cause they seem to be under a different impression.

[@dizzydoom4230]

It's too much of the exposure that "no, really, it's the PERSON who'll make everything better!"

[@Chud_Bud_Supreme]

Two-party systems are only half as evil as one-party systems. Take that for what you will.

[@dorpth]

The whole filler intro is a bunch of environment set pieces that would have been innovative and charming in the Build engine, but are embarrassingly outdated in 2011. It's just so sad seeing them without any self awareness. There was a website with a feature called "Thing that took less time than Duke Nukem Forever". It included things like the moon landing and the Manhattan Project.

[@MasterGhidorah1117]

Duke Nukem a serious character?... Right and I'm the Prince of England.

[@Lavitz1126]

Whats a horrbile game you love? Whats a great game you hate?

[@TheSyliman]

A ''great game'' is subjective. A ''critically acclaimed game'' would be the words you're looking for.

[@Lavitz1126]

TheSyliman Nope, the words I used were the words I wanted to use.

[@TheSyliman]

Well you can't ask someone ''what's a great game that you hate?''. Because a great game is subjective. The person you're asking would not think it's a great game, but a bad game and you're not in the position to say what is a great game and what isn't.

[@Lavitz1126]

Of course I can, I just did and if you can't wrap your head around it then that's quite funny.

[@TheSyliman]

Lavitz oneonetwofive Of course i can wrap my head around you asking exactly that, but it seems more like you fail to understand what i'm trying to tell you. Stay in school kids.

[@ChickenWilickers]

I assume this is the right place for questions, so here: So what do you guys make of the whole discounted AAA pc games situation? On PC, AAA game prices tend to drop rapidly and this leads to an odd situation where they start competing with indie titles. Ignoring Steam Early Access and such, PC games used to be a great place for indie titles, and one of the key selling points for indie titles was the low price point. However, I would think any competent indie team is going to face incredibly difficulty releasing a title for $10-15, especially if their development team is beyond 5 people eating ramen. These days for $15 you can pick up huge AAA game packages that aren't even that old. E.g. Saints Row Ultimate Franchise Pack is $13.74 and contains SR2, 3, and 4 with all DLCs. That's pretty damn hard to compete with, especially if you're selling a game with a runtime of under 5hrs.

[@dennett316]

Indie games will always do well so long as they offer something you can't get in the AAA scene. Even the people who would buy Saints Row as you describe it would still pick up a good Indie game for the same price that offered less because quantity doesn't necessarily guarantee quality or value of experience. Sometimes you want to wreck shit in a wacky open world, sometimes you want to play a grim game about surviving in a war zone. There's room for both. $10-15 for something like This War of Mine still represents good value when compared to, say, a movie ticket, or a few drinks at a bar, or even the average spend in Starbucks. It's just that $13.74 for those Saints Row games is a mind-boggling deal.

[@ASpaceOstrich]

In general games are selling for less and less, it's getting far harder to make games for that reason, as an indie team doesn't have the marketing to make selling games for the fucking pittance they go for now sustainable.

[@iller3]

A better question lately has been: "why own an Xbone or Ps4 at all when they're just PC's too?". Most of the software for them is already digitally "bigbrothered" through connectivity or Origin the same way Steam is. And it seems every title coming out for them lately is piggy backing an increasing portion of its budget on microtransactions or DLC/"Passes". So literally the only difference between those "boxes" and a desktop PC now is that the Desktop has a much better potential of maintaining 60FPS, while using the xbone/Ps4 instead is often admitting that you need a built-in aimbot to compete in modern military shooters. The only "console" still left that acts like an actual console, is the Wii.

[@Psyramics]

iller3 For the exclusives and because GameFly is a thing.

[@iller3]

Psyramics Is that "used games"? I wasn't aware that was still a thing. I just assumed always-on DRM had wiped that out by tying the license to the original owner just like all other software does.

[@Vic2point0]

It's just not the same without Gabriel interrupting himself with a "Fuckin' Jesus!" or two.

[@thomedwards8186]

Haha, listening to this months after its release and Shenmue 3 has indeed been announced. Here's hoping it's better than Duke Nukem Forever

[@dalekmun2010]

I wanna see Yhatzee's script. Seriously, who wouldn't?

[@Tab1300]

It's weird seeing these in 2021 I miss the old days.

[@sirderpington7704]

You know... now I look at this. this is just Donald trump sim.

[@SadButter]

What do you mean? This game is about a man who keeps going on about how great he is and is known for driving back all dangerous alie- oh my god.

[@KillThad]

Hilarious and original

[@thehza2592]

I occasionally come back to this video just to hear Gabe say "Dark Nukem kills racism! NAH-NAH-NAH-NANANANAH!"

[@Nondescript_Brit]

Was almost the prelude to that glorious David Guetta I Have A Dream remix. "Shout out to his family!"

[@Mutant1988]

The very worst thing a game can be is boring (Read: Not engaging). And Duke Nukem Forever is really ****ing boring.

[@Autumn_Actually]

Sorry, but to be clear: did you mean "arseing", "fucking", or "cunting"? It's very important to know.

[@ThunterFP]

I personally found it fairly fun when i played it it does kinda get bit samey after while

[@moosemaimer]

I don't know, "broken" is probably the deal-breaker for me. I remember I had one of the later Turok games for the 'Cube, and they gave you this magic pistol that turned into a silenced sniper rifle, and in between two levels it disappeared out of my inventory. Lucky break that next stage was a stealth interlude, because now I had no stealth weapon, to use all the pistol bullets they left lying around! That turd went back to EB, and after a bit of complaining about it they took it back as defective and refunded my money.

[@sammycw2000]

Then is passes the criteria for this show.

[@Mutant1988]

The reason for the "clarification" is to make it clear that a game doesn't have to be dull (Devoid of action, formulaic, slow paced etc) to be boring. It just has to fail to keep the interest of the player. All kinds of exciting shit can happen but the player doesn't care. That's what I mean by boring. That's the greatest failure of a game - The failure to engage. It's a subjective thing what qualifies as boring and unengaging, obviously.

[@nsnick199]

I love the regional differences in the "Do your balls hang low" song. The version we had when I was growing up was the same except instead of the hanging from the ceiling part, it was "Can you throw them over your shoulder/Like a continental soldier". But even talking with other people in the same state, their version varied a bit. Yay linguistics!

[@NickPiers]

I've seen this game on sale for $4.99 used and it still doesn't feel cheap enough to warrant buying.

[@eviljesus84]

I love those loading screen tips: "Use ammo crates to replenish ammo", "Take less damage to avoid being killed". No sh!t game.

[@ChaoticPesme75]

I always chuckle when I see the acronym for Earth Defence Force (EDF) in a game cause in France it's the acronym for the national electricity & gaz company (Electricité de France) :p

[@NoTimeNoEffort]

You know, about the Shenmue 3 thing, I think it IS worth to make a long-awaited sequel, because sometimes they do live up to the hopes. I just finished Tesla Effet for example and it definitely lived up to my expectations of both seeing a new adventurous story with my favourite bumbler and solving the dangling plot threads left by the cliffhanger of Overseer. It was worth making and it was worth playing. I think Shenmue 3 would be the same, worth making just to see, at least, the end of the story.

[@Yeah73415]

Lol Kevin spacey

[@Featheon]

Yahtzee crying about rap at the end was funny.

[@TheNightsway]

Let's drown out Duke Nukem. Forever.

[@CuriousKey]

It's funny listening back to this, with the realisation that Shenmue 3 would actually become a thing. Enjoy being broken, Gabe.

[@strellebelle]

I would quite like to read Yathzee's script ideas for Duke Nukem Forever. Could you post it to your site Yathzee?

[@rocksteady2263]

He mentioned in an article he wrote not long after this that the hard drive with his script submission died many years ago.

[@Bluelunes]

The most unrealistic thing is that at the beginning there Duke makes something like a hundred yard field goal.

[@LordPlagus777]

Yey! Let's drown out, any other important shit I had to do tonight including work.

[@eliasliolis782]

Yahtzee, it's just a suggestion, but I was wondering what The Shadow of the Colossus would be like as a drown out video. Love the series by the way, hope to see more.

[@flaminshotgun]

I have to agree with Gabriel about the fans of Doctor Who. They are crazy. Same with some Homestuck fans. I can't just passively like Homestuck, I have to "adore" it, and I don't because there is alot that I don't like about the story and I've read better things.

[@THB192]

flaminshotgun It attracts all the PC/Tumblr creeps, for some reason. It's also just gotten worse with popularity. Having been introduced to the series a little ways before the new series began to catch in, I came in with Tom Baker, and can still remeber when The Doctor wasn't an overpowered badass/god/christ allegory, but rather a weird little man in a box who knew altogether too much for his own good. David Tennant actually did quite well in his run IMHO, which I considered an improvement over Eccelston. It has some episodes which I would rank among my all-time favorites ("Blink", "Silence in the Library", "Midnight", "The Family of Blood"). But then Stephen Moffat (who wrote many of the above, actually) took over and shat the bed royally with The Silence arc, which is soooo duuumb. Which is a shame, because The Silence are a really cool design, and would be great in another, less stupid, plot. Doubly so because Matt Smith is also quite a good doctor: he was just put in bad stories. But my all time favorites remain The Key To Time Saga, The City of Death, and The E-Space Trilogy. Because Tom Baker was awesome, Douglas Adams was amazing, and The E-Space Trilogy is really that good.

[@thesneakystrangler9002]

flaminshotgun this is why i love the prequel adventure fanbase so much. it's as big as it needs to be and nobody in the fanbase adores it. People just make some fan art here and there and that's about as crazy as it gets. It's a great story that deserves a read and the fanbase hasn't ruined it yet.

[@flaminshotgun]

Sounds cool.

[@vanceh3067]

Duke Nukem Forever... the development cycle spanning all of my college years, working at a game store, working for the gaming press, and then owning my own game store. Actually, two different game stores. Then months after it comes out, I'm visiting a distributor and he has it for $15. You usually pay $17 wholesale for a $20 game, so I felt that was a strong indicator of where that had gone. Then I learned that was actually the retail price. Lot of people took a bath on that one.

[@zabijakkurat1372]

Yahtzee and Gabe are my favorite homosexuals on the internet.

[@TheIyiytShow]

Coming back to this in 2023, it's kind of funny how Gabe talked about Shenmue 3 being (no longer) impossible, and sure enough it came out

[@461Dragonman]

Why did I even try that... [INSERT FIRST NAME] the Hedgehog. I hate everything...

[@hansknickerbocker9202]

I'm curious to try mine, but I know the result might be traumatizing.

[@461Dragonman]

Hans Knickerbocker I got a gay musician who gets nervous around "cute boys," plays a heavy-metal guitar, and says 'sorry' very frequently.

[@hansknickerbocker9202]

I'm guessing you had to read through some terrible stuff to find that out. I have to say that description gave me a chuckle though. I'll try to work up the bravery to look up mine and tell you what it says.

[@DanielAvelan]

Dude, I've found that out of the 54 members of my immediate family, only 3 people didn't had a hedgehog name: Clariana, Imaculada and Juca.

[@Rycluse]

On the subject of missed opportunities for jokes about game tropes, there's a part later on where Duke says "I hate valve puzzles" and proceeds to do a valve puzzle regardless.

[@AdamTheHedgehog]

What if YahtSquared is a sockpuppet of Yahtzee that NerdCubed owns?

[@Ultracity6060]

So... I did that "the hedgehog" thing. Gonna have to go get my name changed, now.

[@Shephchan]

"Another Strike for the chosen one!"

[@CplYakob]

"Hey....are you girls just letting me win at everything?" "Uh....erm....ahh.....ohh.....urh....RUN!"

[@THB192]

"it tries to do comedy without being self-aware." Ah. The 40k problem.

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

Old 40 k was ridiculous and self deprecating. Its the new 40 k thats gotten all brooding and serious.

[@Josh4president]

Here's a question: What is better in America than elsewhere? And if the response is some half-assed snarky joke Yahtzee and Gabe have to make out on mic.

[@DanielAvelan]

Well, going to New York is easier when you are american. I think.

[@wikieditspam]

DanielAvelan Why do people feel they need to talk about how much worse other people's countries are? Can't we Americans just be happy with being better than everyone else without talking about it?

[@DanielAvelan]

wikieditspam I don't know, why do you have the need to throw such a bad bait?

[@wikieditspam]

DanielAvelan It was supposed to be ironic.

[@isodoublet]

The plane tickets out. Seriously though Amazon is pretty awesome.

[@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3]

I wish for the co-op things like Unity, rather than it just being a shared alert system, one of you gets caught, you all get caught. I'd much prefer it be an individual alert. Your partner got caught, so they're on the look out for him, but you are still undetected, they don't know about you. I just hate the fact that games treat it like the AI thinks "I saw a single person, THERE MUST BE THREE OTHER PEOPLE NEARBY!"

[@hughjego4493]

I might be 7 years too late but I just wanna say hey, I crush the beer cans so they take up less space in the bin, okay? 😅

[@ethzero]

48:40 "I really like Kevin Spacey" - Gabe. Yikes, that did not age well.

[@ShroudedWolf51]

Well, good news, Gabe. Shenmue 3 is out. And, it's somehow even worse than Duke Nukem Forever, since it's not learned fucking anything. It's basically twenty year old code with a new coat of paint.

[@LazySmurf]

"The hail was coming in /sideways./" Welcome to daily life here in Canada, eh?

[@flairthedark6000]

"Ego hell" .... yeah sounds increadibly Unsatisfying and unfufilling. aptly put.

[@Skorthious]

For some reason, from the instant that the video starts, 'People are Strange' fits perfectly to when they press start. Actually almost makes it artistic...

[@2ndsnake899]

And now, there's Shenmue 3 announced.

[@acrefray]

Robot Wars: Yes the flipping robot won, even beat Sgt Bash a few times! It's name was Chaos 2, and was back in the time where hypno-disk was the champion (both were incredible robots).

[@TheLastThingWeNeed]

Considering how many PS Vitas I've seen, Sony are going to lose $500. Max.

[@portalfreak7628]

For Yahtzee and Gabe: if you could have one aspect of retro shooters put in a modern shooter, what would it be and why?

[@RoachDoggJR4200]

Welp, Shenmue 3 is happening now.

[@MasterCharlie104]

Daikatana: This game was supposed to be done in 7 months but we're now gonna take 3 years! Duke Nukem Forever: Hold my beer.

[@wompstopm123]

watching this in 2020, shenmue 3 came out and was just as good as shenmue2

[@ScalyTomate]

So Shenmue 2 was shit as well then, neat

[@wafflesthevilwarrior]

The fandoms conversation at the end made my day. Thank you guys.

[@Shtoops]

Oh god, Chris Chan. Does that guy even exist still?

[@dizzydoom4230]

We. Do not. Speak of him. I watched a 10+ part review of Sonichu and...oh lord.

[@Shtoops]

***** I remember when he edited his Encyclopedia Dramatica article.

[@dizzydoom4230]

Sir Shtoobs To say what? o_o That couldn't have been good.

[@Shtoops]

***** He deleted the entire article and basically wrote that he was really awesome. I think the whole incident is documented on ED.

[@iller3]

Dalton Stewart HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@Fortstorm]

I'm not sure why but the idea of giant hail going sideways is just the most hilarious thing ever. Oh Australia, you so crazeh.

[@kindaawkwardbro]

The sensation your talking about at around 38 mins is called asmr it is usually non sexual. It's stands for autonomous sensory meridian response

[@kindaawkwardbro]

Think whatever you want to think man, note that i said usually but its the internet so of course there is sexualised versions of it

[@Leo-pw3kf]

***** I have ASMR. It's not sexual dude. I know it's hard to swallow if you don't feel it, especially since the videos seem really fetishist at first glance, but it's not actually sexual.

[@kindaawkwardbro]

I know this make me sound like an asshole but it is hard to understand if you dont have it and of course it looks weird and creepy to an outsider.

[@MCHellshit]

It is not sexual. I used to get it when I got haircuts as a kid. Ive never masterbated to it and I have no desire to do so now. Its just a pleasing, soothing sensation.

[@isodoublet]

ASMR is a term that kinda caught on but I wish people forgot what the acronym stands for. It's not scientific, it's never been investigated by science, it just sounds scientific for no good reason. And the phenomenon itself isn't sexual but obviously can be. It is very... "intimate", though, for lack of a better word. It feels like getting personal attention from someone who cares about you.