Why Your Songs Don't Work in Clubs (Here's the secret...)

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00:00 8 Tips for making good club tracks
00:20 1. The exciters
02:21 Exciters can be percussions
02:42 2. The club reverb
04:45 Sub me maybe
05:01 3. Make people feel the groove
05:35 4. The weak buildups
06:50 The real world example
07:22 5. The clear hook issues
08:48 6. The no contrast problem
10:35 7. Breaking breaks
11:40 8. Consant breaks

[@Alice-Efe]

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[@MadNoisy]

💗💗

[@jeremydas723]

I couldn't believe it when I clicked on the link and saw Andrea Botez at the top of list: I had no idea she was a DJ / music-maker!

[@user-bg1bv2tl7h]

Very instructive as always. Thanks for sharing great content Alice.

[@adamshatwell]

Excellent video, you explained things so well. Was really super cool to see the effect of the transitions on the audience in the club setting

[@EzPeasZ]

Thank you so much for making and sharing these videos with us!! I watch a LOT of educational music production videos, and yours truly provide a unique insight -- very helpful and engaging! I had never heard of you prior to finding one of your videos a few weeks ago, very lucky stumble! -- and your music is absolutely fantastic! That much im sure you already knew, but i was late to the party so i figured id say that here now too 😅🥳

[@daevinci28]

This is killer thanks for the perspectives - the music AND video production are top notch!

[@cosmin_ofc]

thanks again for covering this topic again. this is such a stressful topic for me, because I don't have the experience of how the club sound systems react :)

[@kaiaaldridge]

WOW. First video of yours that Im watching and I'm blown away by your sound. You immediately gained a new subscriber Thank you for sharing!

[@erickvond6825]

This was actually more informative than I expected it to be. I've been producing for about 30 years now and while I knew a few of the subjects you covered from personal experience there were a few points like "the exciters" that I'd previously overlooked. I'd been doing something similar but not quite to the extent you described. This video helped solidify some of my thoughts so thank you very much for sharing this.

[@citizenoftheverse4653]

Great vid as always! Simple, effective, straight to the point!

[@Kh4rma]

Wow. You are amazing. Thanks for all your work and advice.

[@stayylleh]

great tips! never thought about the reverbthing in clubs. nice one!

[@gaithouri]

your stuff is a fresh air out of similar channels on this platform... well done.. i always learn a lot and i enjoy the overal presentation.. very cool... if i ever do a festival again, you are my top priority... thank you

[@AFNacapella]

"when and how to remix/re-arrange a track for your DJ set" could also be an interesting video

[@mashmarttv]

i just start mixing ..kzbin.info/www/bejne/npebfHmor7uYnpI

[@bitbotrecords]

Awesome video as always you a great teacher thank you 🎉

[@WBradleyRobbins]

Good info. Subscribed.. will dig through more of your videos later.

[@AnateqOfficial]

Can we give a big thumbs up for the track at 3.40... Mayan, that one hits you right in the face and stomach! Really great video, Alice!

[@martinzokov]

OMG the bass on that collab with Andrea sounds amazing!! I hope you release the whole song :)

[@jhm8614]

For people looking for “exciters” mostly they are called fills / drum fills if you want something from splice or another sample bank

[@MutleeIsTheAntiGod]

Free drum fills or "breaks" are all over the internet too!

[@darrinsiberia]

Risers... hesitaters... anticipaters..anticipates... fallers...

[@innerstice]

Great video Alice, thank you!

[@BarneyTrouble1]

Excellent video skills, this is very well produced!

[@thevoiceofamerica2389]

I have no idea how I got here and I have no clue what you are talking about, but you are drop-dead gorgeous! Subscribed!

[@francescomilloni]

The “club simulator” idea blew my mind!!

[@ASDPOWER]

Super useful composition tips hidden here too. the Live footage of how it works is brilliant!!!!!!

[@WhyDoPeopleNeed2BeSoRude]

Wishing you all a happy easter

[@Donk..]

Happy Easter ❤

[@Anvilshock]

Also, make sure to ram everything in the limiter. Dynamics are to be avoided at all costs. Everything needs to be equally maximally loud. This means any breaks or intermissions without rhythm backing, like a-capella parts or synth buildups, must be turned up to absolutely brain-meltingly, tweeter-coil-smokingly high levels. Corollary, the bassdrum needs to violently flatten everything else audibly with every beat so that said everything else needs to pump back up after every beat. Remember, if sidechain compression isn't yet conveying a sensation of having toilet plungers pumping on your ears, you are not using enough of it.

[@francobuzzetti9424]

i rarely make edm anymore but i watched you when i started (with edm) and i still watch cause you have great info regardless of genre!

[@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS]

REALLY good video!! using your own tracks to show winners and losers is AWESOME!!

[@stefanosvassiliou]

Hey Alice i really enjoy your content keep it up. I ve got back to producing a bit heavily after a really long life break and when i see a video like this one and i already applied most of these techniques before i checked the video i know im in the right track on learning in a better way. But usually i find a lot of gems in your videos and you help a lot. Thanks for everything

[@AlmerosMusicCode]

Great tips! One other is from deadmau5: keep your bassdrum lowends short or you will end up with resonating boooom boooom booooms in the clubs 😊

[@soulpath1]

unless you make techno then this is desirable on many tracks that have a rumble kick style vibe

[@bruhzooka]

boom is for the car when you are cruising down 6th street waking up all the chicken heads

[@marcellkovacs5452]

@@soulpath1 yeah, but when you listen to properly produced techno, you will feel waves of bass, not a static low-end, so the rule still applies.

[@cherish9288]

Wow great stuff yalcin....Can you also do the How to Prepare a good DJ set topic too.,,thank you

[@Astax]

Your videos feel like watching a magician revealing her secrets. That's so awesome, thanks for sharing your knowledge! Love your tracks on Spotify :)

[@nlhmusicofficial]

Great video. Super useful.

[@fazykolektyw]

Good as always! 😊

[@psyforixrecords]

good video thanks for the tips ;)

[@Honbaka]

You are wonderful.. because of your high level competence and experience in this field... much respect.. even I'm not a DJ or play in clubs.. it is very interesting and understandible knowledge that I don't want to miss ... I'm just a tech nerd who knows how to program a 303 or 909.. and how a modern sequencer works like cubase or cakewalk... keep up the high qualitry content and what you are doing... it is lovely.. I hope I can see you playing music in a club some day

[@ItsWesSmithYo]

oh but they dooo lol. great stuff, great vid, that bathroom test never dissapoints...thanks.

[@VioletRobots]

Very good video. Thank you.

[@aestheticsignificance]

great stuff thanks

[@KalaMedia]

Is the the track we hear at the 'club reverb' part released? It sounds so good! And thanks for the great tips!

[@Dareyouhow]

Great video, it seems like we are all making music with the same 10 vocal samples off splice though ☠️ even loopmaster has all the same vocals haha, I think we need to start giving some singers more business

[@Djintruder]

Hej Alice and everyone. I Said before that i am trying to make music and mixes but it is hard when the music ear is not top notch. So i made like this i take a ( gitarr stämnings hjälp ) i put it on one speaker and voilà it accuratly shows me the Tones so now i can make right Tones when building a mix or reloop. Hopfully this can help other beginners like me also. Best regards Michael. Ps thanks for your work Alice 👍🎶👏

[@JackaTrial]

You should make a club simulator plugin with acoustica or someone of this sort... great demonstration!

[@WhyDoPeopleNeed2BeSoRude]

Always check ur tracks in mono before release!

[@Anders01]

Yes, I was wondering about that. I like the sound of wide basses but they may sound like crap in a club haha. And also, too much low end deadmau5 said that it will sound like a horrible roar/rumble in big club speakers. Not good. At the same time a too weak low end will sound lame in headphones.

[@Bonn5656]

What do you mean in mono, on one side of the headsets on left only for example?

[@MiisaelRodrigueez]

​@@Bonn5656 Same signal from both channels, you can do it by putting a utility on your master and tap the mono button

[@blazymolds7495]

Just with one monitor is considered mono?

[@TayWoode]

@@Bonn5656the exact same sound coming from both speakers or headphones so everything sounds like it’s coming from the same place, it’s the opposite of stereo where you can hear where individual tracks are. Are you new to all this? Maybe you should start on some simpler videos until you’ve got the basics that everyone knows about

[@ElectroFlightExplorer]

Dear Biskuwi, I like your videos...but even much more your music. Could you do more personal videos about your creative process and how you've built some of your masterpieces? Cheers from Paris

[@jimlampshady]

Interesting topic, Alice, and for me, what's most interesting are the technical differences between mixing/mastering for a living room and a club. You did touch on that with some comments about reverb, but I would certainly like more content in that direction. So, how do you deal with EQ and compression when mixing for clubs, for example?

[@uv77mc85]

its helped me immensely. Now the 6 people who hear my track will know it would sound just as crap in a club

[@iamdjlotta]

Amazing vocal tips

[@Keroser1983]

THESE ARE AMAZING!!! Two questions if you will=> - Clubs differ around the world, even in the same town. How do you find the optimum mix that would work in all of them or at least all of them? - What would be difference between HOOK and the LEAD? They are boıth melodic elements so, how do you differentiate?

[@atoms.channel]

"Too long breaks is the vibe killer" - Bene Gesserit EDM

[@djestrela2]

This is not the case in Trance music.

[@atoms.channel]

@@djestrela2 I guess it's really a matter of taste/choice; I certainly don't care for long breaks; I can't even think of any genre music I care for a long break - quick pauses I kinda tolerate, but prefer a mostly or all continual flow - I'm usually fine without any breaks.

[@gbigbo_zjebeezjeboo]

Great tips ! When using the club simulator preset, do you listen in mono (preceding it with eg a Utility with mono on). Assuming that most club systems are mono ?

[@DaftRebel]

The "club simulator" got me! hahaha jokes aside, it's an amazing tool!

[@sivalaa]

One trick I found, adding on to the club simulating reverb, you can complete your whole song with the reverb on, only turning it off at the end or periodically to check the raw mix. It helps to pick out the sounds that don't really work in that dynamic and remove them before spending time on something that won't work for the club

[@gaborb6577]

Useful🎉🎹👍

[@alessandrog5261]

Bravissima!❤

[@cyberluke]

Super smart & Super music!

[@chrisfromaus9394]

Thanks!

[@michaelfearn83]

Have you got a link to your latest Ableton Template with the playground etc. Thank you

[@jaimeross7507]

Ali this is Genius!!!!!!!!❤❤❤❤❤

[@daniel_du_noy]

Wow! What is that track from The club reverb part? Sounds 💥💥💥

[@jeanlove8510]

i'd love to attend one of your sets. Im in the UK

[@samikalastaja]

3:08 sounds like a name for the edit: Trackname (Club Simulator Edit / Remix)

[@Evilepter]

in the groove example, at 5:00, the track that's more difficult to groove to, doesn't have side chaining on the kick.

[@JohannesNielsen]

So your adding a pre build much like I have done with a White noise riser

[@docteurgreene]

The tip about club reverb is interesting, but if we force ourselves to not put too much reverb in case the track is played in clubs, there is a risk the track sounds too "dry" when played on radio/CD ? I suppose the DJ's don't play a special version of commercial songs just mixed for clubs?

[@PvPResources]

i think it's all about balance

[@BrenCford]

Having a strong mono mix will get you 80% of where you want to be, all of the key elements need to be present.

[@marshallore6869]

What is the song you play in the reverb section?

[@Donk..]

Just wondering can you be successsful as a music producer if you don't DJ your own songs ??

[@user-gn1vx7ij3h]

It depends on a speaker system. If you have Function1, it cancels oit all the delays and reverbs

[@JimBoom92]

fake news

[@Yzera_]

Im a bit sick of the "silence before drop" i understand the mechanic, it's everywhere, too much. But the thing is that you can do this effect while mixing in live so it doesnt have to be in every track. I know that the build up is important and of course you need it, but there is multiple creative way to create tension so don't fall in the same trick everytime !

[@RaKanMusik]

that makes managing fx tails a pain

[@DAW.G]

I like it I don’t think it’s too bad

[@AFNacapella]

may I add: be conscious about your high end. some crash- or clap heavy parts can really hurt in the club if they got sausaged to the levels you need for your bass. this is a mastering issue, but can also be a DJ mess-up or bad resonant rooms. so not always 100% under your control, yet something to keep in mind.

[@n1c3s43]

yeah, left some clubs already cause their mixes REALLY hurt in the ears cause the highend was just wayyy too loud and crash-heavy

[@FreeDooMusic]

its not only a mastering issue. the mix might sound fine on its own but the limiter brings up the high end a bit so it becomes too much. i master my own tracks so i return to the mix and reduce the levels of things becoming too loud in the highs as a result of the compression from the mastering chain.

[@AFNacapella]

@@FreeDooMusic I think we mean roughly the same, you said it better. I haven't mastered not mixing mixing and mastering, yet. yeah, the earlier in the chain you catch the problem, the better.

[@kronosse]

Been awhile Alice, love the hair.

[@leonpena4174]

You're fn amazing

[@f1rstp3rsonngaming96]

How did you maje that Club Simulator that a great idea

[@Star_Radar]

Alice, please release this ID, I totally need it!

[@Alice-Efe]

thank you! Though which one? 😊

[@Star_Radar]

​@@Alice-EfeIt's all superb but I fell in love with this piece 2:16

[@Clic-ac]

Hey, where/when will be your Kate Bush Remix will be released? Thanks in advance!

[@EmanuelZanatta-yp9zy]

You're looking awesome blonde! Nice video!

[@askfor666]

wow great

[@AlMa-qb9sf]

Whats the site with the vocals where you chose Tina?

[@feso85]

what is the name of the track ? DL link ?

[@aaronhedgesmusic]

Maybe sometime you could use these sorts of examples on something a bit more house? I like your videos but that example tracks are almost always these melodic techno tracks. Thanks 🙏 ❤

[@DJModsChannel]

Thanks

[@Alice-Efe]

Thank you for the super ❤️

Hi Alice. Could I learn the name of the song at 07:05? Thank you for contents.

[@Alice-Efe]

It is an unreleased ID. It will come in June on Ritter Butzke Records. 😊

[@BresciGaetano]

Nice tips but very subjectives and related to a specific music genere. Anyway great contet

[@OverAndOverHT]

Also because soundsystems in clubs are in MONO when producers put too focus on STEREO

[@rcrxninja]

What track at 7:50, @Alice-Efe?

[@cucciolo182]

when r u coming to Bergen?

[@JohnHafner]

Can you link your Massano System remix?

[@BassRebellionMusic]

Very insightful! 💯

[@chipmonkjedi]

That second track is dope. Can I hear the whole track somewhere?

[@uv77mc85]

at the club?

[@bananoconleche]

Heyy! Audio a little bit off from the video (in ableton), constructive critic😁

[@JohannesNielsen]

So your layering the vocals

[@tru7hhimself]

please show this video to as many producers as possible in all different genres. if i'm partying and straying too much from darker underground sound i'm always bombarded with music that has way too many and too long breaks which totally kills the flow.

[@jacksolarmusicmastering]

07:47 song name?

[@BertKrus]

Im in love with your speaking voice 🥰🥰🥰

[@uv77mc85]

A club? I have never been near one. What do people do in them?

[@shadee965]

Does anybody know the track Id at 8:18? Thanks (:

[@Alice-Efe]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIjIoad6j7OnoM0

[@shadee965]

@@Alice-Efe Thank you (:

[@yussmusic_]

The best

[@foxtsa]

What's that ''you gotta love the bass'' song ?

[@Alice-Efe]

One of our unreleased IDs with Andrea 😊

[@ricknox469]

Tried to download the preset , it said broken and I couldn’t load it on ableton

[@Alice-Efe]

you mean the link is broken?

[@ricknox469]

@@Alice-Efe yeah it said that preset couldn’t load , the file is broken. Thats the message I got in ableton

[@Alice-Efe]

@@ricknox469 Try downloading again. and you are having the latest version of 11?

[@ricknox469]

@@Alice-Efe I tried downloading again, still the same issue and yes I have the latest version of 11

[@cloudbeats4301]

I have the same problem. I sais, it can only load audio effects, maby were installing it the wrong way?^^

[@niccko]

That's exactly the face I make when I listen to techno 0:46

[@renek.6434]

How do you know my tracks are not working in clubs?

[@RicDolore]

Best way is to play them in a club and mingle with the crowd for a minute or less. It looks like you are mingling while you’re playing. But you are really testing your tunes.