Why Pros BASS Sound SO GOOD? Here is the secret..

[@Alice-Efe]

🌟Hey, if you're struggling with low-end, I might have something that could help! Atlas - Low End Tools: www.mercurialtones.com/atlas-low-end-tools

[@BlueshellGamer]

You are such a good producer and have so much music knowledge.

[@Alice-Efe]

Aww thank you! ❤🙏

[@Redemption808]

@@Alice-Efe Hey Alice, I bought Atlas and the sound quality is absolutely stunning! Next time I'd be willing to pay a lot more money if you do something like this but with presets for Pigments, Serum or whatever synth is used by many of us because for me the main challenge is to understand how you build those layers. Love your work :)

[@Alice-Efe]

@@Redemption808 Thank you! I will probably do something like that in the close future. Main problem with this one was I used a lot of external gear (not that it matter so much but I was thinking it could be nice for the people qho bought it). So it wasnt possible to include project files. But next time, I will probably just use pigments to make them all with Ableton FX so you have also project files.

[@Redemption808]

@@Alice-Efe love to read this, much appreciated 🙂

[@ViktorNova]

For anyone trying to do this in Vital, it's a little different - you have to leave phase randomization at zero and assign the RAND key modulator to the phase of both OSCs, at 100%. (not Rand1 or Rand2, it's the RAND in the lower right corner). Everything else is the same, except there's no shortcut to remove the fundamental so you have to do it by hand (2nd partial from the far left on the top row of the wavetable editor, drag it to zero) Apparently Vital doesn't synchronize phase randomization between OSCs like Serum does, so you get inconsistent phase coherence on each note (aka phasey/weak/inconsistent bass) unless you do it this way - but this method produces the exact same results. This video was a total game changer for me, thank you so much Alice!🤩

[@EPHEM11]

hi thanks so much for this, i don't have serum. just to confirm, do you set phase to 0 and then assign phase of both oscillators to RAND at 100% modulation? or do you leave it at 180 phase and then make the modulation bipolar? or does it not matter... my guess is it doesn't matter, as the reason you're doing this is just to make sure both oscillators are at the same phase at all times so we don't get phase cancellation whilst maintaining the panned bass? thank you:))

[@Rzn8B58]

So to remove the fundamental you're removing the tallest column in the wavetable editor and just leaving the harmonics?

[@ViktorNova]

@@EPHEM11To get this effect, just leave one oscillator's phase at 0 and then tweak the other oscillator's phase until you find a sweet spot where the 2 oscillators sum together in a way you are happy with for the song. As long as RAND is modulating the phase of both oscillators by the same amount, the phase coherency will stay the same from note to note and you'll get a consistent sound. If you leave them both at zero, they will always be the same and won't make a stereo sound, so it's necessary to change the phase of one of the oscillators

[@ViktorNova]

@@Rzn8B58 The fundamental isn't necessarily always going to be the tallest column in the wavetable editor, but it will always be the 2nd column from the far-left, in the upper harmonic editor (the column on the far left is volume - I'm not sure why they designed it this way) - just remove that/turn it down to zero and you'll be left with all the harmonics but no fundamental. Personally I like to use a 2nd instance of Vital to have a sine wave sub on a dedicated track

[@EPHEM11]

thank you, that's sort of what i ended up doing :))

[@mxrdexe]

Bass is reason i give up every day

[@joshtrent7945]

Honestly. You think this will be the easiest part of the project going in 😅

[@ast4127]

Go for feeling, leave mixing for later. Dont get stuck on anything too long. Leave the track alone for a while or do sound design, search for samples, keep moving.

[@novaray3405]

Oh damn I feel you 😢

[@antoniobertolini9358]

Kick too

[@adilmalik4648]

😂

[@DjVonDiego]

OMG FINALLY SOMEONE NAILED IT!!! I AM SO THANKFUL... YOU NAILED IT HERE! THANKS FOR SPREADING THE KNOWLEDGE

[@r_fl3xsounds530]

alice i doing it for 26 years and creating basslines nobody knows how

[@Alice-Efe]

Haha aren't we all just bunch of people turning knobs and hoping for the best 😊✌

[@maxs489]

Great, as usual, thanks! Dumb question about the first one - we start off splitting out the bass to stereo, then spend a bunch of later steps trying to bring it back more mono. Why not just leave it more mono in the first place?

[@-KingOfKhaos]

I’m guessing so that you are able to have more of the highs out in the stereo field for separation while leaving the core bass fundamental straight up the middle and not out of phase? That’s what I took from her vid… which seems to make perfect sense… and yet I know I will mess it up again and again anyway 😅

[@nineninetyninemusic]

Outstanding tip Just wanna know if there is a way of performing the first one in pigments as there is no pan knob on the oscillators Thanks a ton for your videos

[@-KingOfKhaos]

Yeah I’m stuck in Pigments myself as that is my primary sound design tool (I’m a weirdo that never purchased Serum and went with Pigments / Vital / Zebra instead lol)… if you have found a good answer for a Pigments solution, please let us know 👍🏻

[@EntropyExhaustion]

One more idea: The phase shift is basically a tiny delay between left and right. You can get something similar if you add a band splitter after the synth and add a Haas fx in the upper band(s) only

[@wreignone]

Its so good to see you are still doing these tutorials. I cannot think of anyone else who has such great pro tips 😊

[@Alice-Efe]

Thank you! I just like making them 😊

[@WorksopGimp]

She is very educated producer and teacher, this sort of stuff is golddust for young producers just starting out

[@NSW-ye3xw]

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[@alexwild1435]

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[@MrRightR3MiX3z]

Thanks for the tip on how to make a solid, clean bassline with punch and not mush. simple and a way easier technique than i've heard from others.

[@qtrax100]

Been making music for 30 years, ran a pro studio for 10 of those and never seen this before. Best music production tips on YT .

[@bugrabaran2808]

Hey Alice, I first learned how to complete the bass sound design by removing the fundamental from your previous video, but even then unison didn't always give the sound I wanted. This is a game changer :) Nice tips

[@NGUETO]

wow I used to see your videos a long time ago, you've changed so much omg!!! I'm so happy for you, keep it up queen ❤❤

[@Alice-Efe]

Welcome back and thank you! 😊 things are bit changed here ✌️

[@evollie9035]

I love how you explain why a change is made, instead of just doing it without any context. Your tutorials are always great and I always learn. Thank you ❤

[@SpacerLive]

let me say something you need to know: Your bass has a better image for mixing than Marks. That's it. You nailed it. That's why it is fundamental to study the basics of synth sound design! Perfect trick.

[@Alice-Efe]

Wow, thanks!

[@howardhutchinson1631]

Nice vid! For sure, being "old school", i don't care refining at this level, since i get the right vibe of a track. I'm reading tips for Bass & Drums for 30 years or so, but most impressing was a guy who only pushed mono tracks on a 16 channel Mackie and some cheap FX. He just added room on a Microverb, did a "chorus" by copying samples in a Ensoniq sampler and distorted by simply pushing the gains. At the end he had all the controls at his fingertips and rocked the store so badly, i changed my style forever. I was 21 back then, now i'm 52. So, what's up KZbin?😎

[@theoutsider6191]

Really nice explanation of how to separate out the bass sound on serum and removing the fundamentals 🙂 Helped me out with cleaning up a baseline i was working up on a track i'm playing around with at the moment, tvm!!

[@adasevic2]

Awesome video as always! Keep up the great work, you are a blessing to this community!

[@Alice-Efe]

Thank you! I will do my best to keep posting. 😊

[@mindspace696]

​@@Alice-Efe​please don't stop. I just discovered your channel and was very impressed with this video. You packed a huge amount of very useful information into a short space of time, and I'm looking forward to learning lots more stuff from you. I have been somewhat stuck in a rock format for many years, but I'm finally allowing myself to go back to using electronic sounds as I did in the 1990s. I have a lot to catch up on, so if the rest of your videos are of this calibre I'm going to be looking at them for some time to come. One thing that confused me with this one, though, was the rolling bassline in the first example. The MIDI data showed alternating eighth-note octaves, but the rhythm of the sound didn't seem to match that. Was that the result of a dotted delay or something along those lines?

[@julianmaccor5019]

This is the best way to teach! Great explanation, good examples and how to remake them. Keep it onnnn

[@cerebralkaos2385]

Thanks Alice, you do the best tutorials! Keep up the great work.

[@invisiblejay7573]

Another excellent video. Absolutely one of the best synth bass theorists on all of you tube, Alice. I salute you.

[@bpooboi]

For me. When it comes to recording albums. But only in rock/hard rock. To me, how the low end is captured in all instruments is how i grade an album

[@Frankie_G_]

Thanks. Your tutorials are so helpful

[@jonathandufour6153]

OMG! You changed the way I use Serum forever thank you so much!! I always wondered how to get a bass wide but without the phasing issues... it was not the trick I expected from this video but it's the one I really needed!

[@MickyStardust]

I have done this today exactly what you are doing and its been a game changer for me thanks so much for this ❤

[@unknownchannel6797]

Amazing, been wondering how to do this for many years, thank you

[@schuss303]

I am watching videos for an long time, almost 20 years..and i am telling you, your tips are amazing❤

[@elguaripolo686]

5:09 subbed for couple years. WORTH IT.

[@Bass_Nomad.]

i mostly use the bottom notes of the chord progression, and side chaining to prevent it destroying the kick.

[@BunnyBunniee]

you just saved me so much freakin time! i was literally trying to figure out how to not make my bass so scattered. You always coming through when i need it

[@Alice-Efe]

haha happy to help!

[@darrenmackay2536]

So many goods tips. Thankyou!

[@abreuskie]

Great tips and video, thank you! Where can I find that serum skin?!

[@Alice-Efe]

It is on Mercurial Tones 😊

[@abreuskie]

@@Alice-Efe thank you!!!

[@iwalkeverdeyazul5265]

Gracias Alice! Excelente data! Saludos desde Argentina

[@Maracuda]

awesome tutorial ! but i was wondering why did you not also turn down the random phase ?

[@Fani777]

good question

[@jornl9177]

Same question here 👀

[@Alice-Efe]

Random makes the sound more dynamic. Given that we want the "top" layer to be autentic and stereo. As we removed the fundemental from top layer and sub is already mono, there is really no need to make the top layer more static and robotic by taking away random.

[@jornl9177]

​@@Alice-Efemakes sence - the random phase here is only for both upper layers and doesnt effect the fundamental - true!

[@Maracuda]

ah i see thank you so much ! @@Alice-Efe

[@Genital.Wartzenegger]

Shout out to the golden age of KZbin instructions. Pro tutorials with a legit release ready sound

[@itsmistera]

I often overlook the science of harmonics involved in music, great this information would give me many solutions

[@EntropyExhaustion]

Awesome as all your content. But I have seen the remove fundamental tipp elsewhere. It can be used to keep focus on heavy unisono patches ... interestingly enough even Surge XT (free synth) has a WT of a saw with removed fundamental on board ... anyway, I enjoy your content. Sometimes these advertisement phrases "secret pro tipp" or "only here" that are used all over the internet make me go mehhh. Btw: I started to use the combo of ISOL8 (five band splitter) and PsyScope (free, beat synced oscilloscope), which I plug in to the bass band of ISOL8 to visually control kick and subbass level... it's free an thus can replace SubNinja...

[@Alice-Efe]

Can it be this one: studio.kzbin.infoXsMn5Jo0wJY 😊 The unique thing in the video was not about removing fundementals but manual phase shifting 2 oscillators and panning them again manually and not using unison. I think that didnt come through well in the video, I should probably have made it more clear.

[@EntropyExhaustion]

​@@Alice-Efeprobably you're right. If it's for the phase shift then I might have missed the warning that you might end up canceling out when monoing if the delta is 180 degree in total. Anyways - I'm just adding "random" things that come to my mind ... your content is great!

[@-KingOfKhaos]

Well dang… this finally explains bass the right way! Thank you for this!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@charvel111]

I appreciate this, thank you!! Liked and subscribed!

[@ambientuniverse5344]

Nice inspiration to improve my trance-producing skills. I like the way you do your youtube-channel. Rock on! 😎

[@sulimanhassan9556]

since you remove the fundamental from the wavetable, why not adding more unison voices into a one OSC with constant phase closed Randomization. and that would do super great. specially if you add some hyper and some multiband compressor from the Serum FX. but I get the Idea of showing off here on KZbin, everyone keeps saying magic and super-secret tricks. while actually there's no such thing

[@re_linked]

This is a big one! Will def rewatch this, so many helpful gems, thank you!

[@Alice-Efe]

Second time is the charm 😊

[@Gino_567]

Great tips... but just some advice, refrain from saying things like "i'm the first" to do something in the future. 😅 I've watched a LOT of masterclasses and tutorials over the years by those pros themselves, and none of them create bass lines like this (that I've seen) They're all very simple, but just very well executed. Generally if it's overly complicated, it's probably not the way to do it. But there's always room for new ways! And will be trying some of these methods out for sure!

[@wavecamtu]

I appreciate this tip! Thank You so much!

[@alexandermirth3231]

Great freaking video! Thank you so much. This solved the phasing issue I was having during mastering 🎉

[@zyodmusic]

Great tip with the stereo bassline! Is there a reason why you leave the phase randomization on both osc on? :)

[@stenlyspa1325]

Another great vid! And thanks for all of your sharings - all of them are helping a lot!! You're doing so great - let the flow be with you!!!

[@Gujbffuugghhv12]

Very very cool thanks allot!!!

[@katze1195]

Sometimes i only look this video to feel at home and loved. You are so calm and this video changed , like you said, my Produktion life a lot ❤

[@ikoukou]

Great tutorial!

[@maxs489]

I'm always really impressed by the listening skills of great musicians like Alice, and their ability to break sounds down like this.

[@jean-baptiste9230]

This great thanks…i don’t really wrap my mind around fundamentals yet but i get that you remove harmonic therefore creating more of unified pitch, meaning the same root note on different octave, is this right?

[@russellnashsynth]

Thanks a lot for the tips. Also, this video helped me come up with a cool idea for a bassline, thanks!

[@timraeyen]

Do you also have tutorials with only ableton stock plugins?

[@marcwilko6550]

Good tutorial very detailed and well explained...nice one!

[@ko_3x335]

Hi Alice, i'm following your Channel long time. You've always very interesting and helpful content. You are getting more pro every time. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Love your channel ❤

[@Dimi-l7e]

Most club and festival PA systems nowadays are all stereo. Long gone are the days when it was mono mono mono haha. Smartphones... everything is stereo nowadays. Although it's still good to put a high pass filter on your sides below 90/100 hz. It would just sound weird if your bass is popping out from the sides any lower than that unless that's your idea of course.

[@AlexWBKK]

Really cool, learned a lot. ^^ Thank you. There are a few songs, that i also find really interesting in how they got produced. Its beyond other sounds and it really makes we wonder how they could achieve that. One is Aurora (DJ IBON Remix) and the other is Mikkel Rev - Amneo. The second one is actually more interesting, because basically all of the instruments are so subtle but still give out everything that is required to make it a "sound" ^^. I find it unbelievable how everything adds up together. For me this is art. And the first one i find so interesting because it has crazy reverb effects. It sounds like there is an insane reverb over every single instrument, still the song never sounds too messy. And for whatever reason all those reverb effects dont come into each others way. Bass has reverb, kicks have reverb, hihats have reverb, BG noise has reverb. And everytime big amounts too. Its a mistery how those songs got produced. Maybe someone else picks up on my curiousity and talks about how those songs are made. Maybe just a few of the instruments. THat would be really cool ^^ PS: both songs shoud be listened to with headphones, theres an endless amount of subtle stuff in.

[@JuanManuel12345]

Hi Alice! Im confused on the chain for the MRAK pro bass, is it set to mono? I'm not getting the same mono result on the imager! Thanks!

[@GuyXVIII]

As always, killer content. The precision sculpting of the synths is just amazing. I really loved when you called Ring Modulaion "trial and error" cause it's very relatable :D By the way, would be very interesting to see a video on RM in particular.

[@papuyonic]

awesome video!

[@PaulEubanks]

My problem is fitting in a solid bass line around a kick drum that isn't just bouncing on the 1 & 3 like a basketball, but has some syncopation.

[@jasondaly5351]

The difference in the bass is amazing well done thank you

[@ernestoblancof.7583]

Huge thanks, this is amazing

[@lauramihaela6272]

thank you very much, really helpful ❤

[@50hz_artist]

Thank You! Will try it right now!

[@Alice-Efe]

Good luck!

[@zerotoninemusic5957]

Simply perfect technique, works amazing! Thank you so much Alice!

[@xfa1kon]

I am new in music production. This is very usefull for me. Thank you

[@croco.nation]

This video is gold! Also, your video editing is great. The hard work you put into it shows.

[@cursedsound]

Is there a reason you kept the random phase on ? I always turn it off on my bass because to me it usually seems cleaner

[@Alice-Efe]

Random makes the sound more dynamic. Given that we want the "top" layer to be autentic and stereo. As we removed the fundemental from top layer and sub is already mono, there is really no need to make the top layer more static and robotic by taking away random.

[@cursedsound]

@@Alice-Efe That sounds like a good point, thank you 👍 I will give random another chance then 😂

[@tawkinhedz]

Yep shes right gonna use that

[@DJFrankFrenzy]

Thank you! Excellent tip! I will experiment this.. 🫶

[@victorarrudadj]

Amazing content!

[@sachins6196]

Alice, could you look at Eric Prydz basslines and Leads? Can't seem to decipher lot of stuff he does

[@hirudo881]

You look absolutely stunning in that thumbnail! If i wouldnt know... Also, great video yet again!

[@SnazzyBoxx]

Damn I needed this 😩 thanks 🙏🔥

[@lil_munati]

yo! great video, thank you for the phasing info! mu biggest question now is: why does her serum look so much cooler than mine?!

[@kidnunmusic]

Sick one! Thanks fam

[@mageprometheus]

Your 'how to' videos always leave me with a smile. So good.

[@Der.Geraet]

Did you youse Ableton ?

[@kaliph810]

@Elice-Efe Thanks for the great video. Could you maybe show, how to achieve this with Massive X?

[@CookieMCMLXXXI]

Great tips! ❤

[@djdarksade]

That was nice, thanks!

[@klinikat5313]

what do you mean with all together now ? the last work was on the pro midi track on serum with the shown settings......what other tracks else does one need to create the final result, there were 3 tracks at the end.....thanks for any explanation and thank you for this trick, appreciated it really !

[@fp1183]

Alice :) !! are the basses of number2 ( Disco) in the Atlas pack ? thanks

[@Alice-Efe]

Yes! 😊

[@fp1183]

i saw, number 9 , very nice !!@@Alice-Efe

[@alvesdeejay]

Great video thank you Alice

[@HumanMotives]

Great video, learned some more how to improve 🙏

[@R1PPA-C]

I struggle with basslines a lot, it's easy to make one, hard to write one into a track which already has substance.

[@NikolaTomic]

I have to say your stuff sounds really good. I believe most stuff can be done with just eq, reverb and compressor… Different ways to achieve the same :)

[@Alice-Efe]

Thank you!

Its easyer if you just use bx_shredspread in any sound with stereo problems if will fix it and still sound great. No need to mess around with synthesis

[@jeffreygarceau-plamondon2200]

Do we have the same result if we take the ozone imager and force it to be more in the center while keeping a little width?

[@getJackt]

I love your energy!

[@jmisissoko]

hello can u tell me where can i find this serum vst please ?

[@Alice-Efe]

here you go: xferrecords.com/products/serum/

[@byronsonic6538]

I really like your videos and appreciate your hard work, the contents of your videos are great! One thing which i don't understand is that the videos always consist of so many fast and hectic cuts / text changing and a lot of effects. It feels like it is in timewarp. This makes me hard to concentrate on the content.

[@agosto.mp3]

Awesome video, thanks once again 🙌

[@pbosq]

I really like your videos (subscribed long ago 😇) and you have so much great knowledge that everyone can benefit from. I just wish that this focus on being "pro" would stop across all youtube music production videos. It make it seem like music is some kind of game or competition to get to the top. But of course it is so much more than that.

[@elguaripolo686]

This is actual study and years of dedication spilled for free in a high quality KZbin video. Insane❤

[@konflikthippie2177]

Hey There. where did I find the Freeclip as you use in the processing for the Rhythm machine bass?

[@theomichaud3843]

Huge one ! Merci !

[@AngeloBacaloni]

Love your passion, it's contagious. I don't produce but now I need to remix something to do that fu**ing Amazing bassline. What do you use? I'm beginner on producing but would like to use only workstation made for Linux. For ethic decision. Can you suggest something?