Yamaha Genos VS Korg PA5X sounds and styles comparison

[@ToXball]

After this video I can now say that Korg sounds great and unbeatable! Thanks for this comparison

[@bensmit1606]

I suppose it boils down to personal preference. Each product/model has its own unique features. The art I recon lies in the ability of the musician to bring these features to life. During the past 45 years I owned Korg, Roland and Yamaha keyboards. Never been disappointed with any and enjoyed exploring them to the full. Both of these 2 above are welcome in my home.

[@ВіталійФоркун-ш3о]

Согласен, каждый из этих синтезаторов специфичен

[@Kinnor.Home.Studios]

First one of this kind on KZbin, kudos to you.

[@france4me117]

Considering that the Yamaha Genos was released back on the 2nd of October 2017, it still has an absolutely brilliant quality of sounds and styles like no other in my opinion. No other brand has such beautiful and so authentic rhythms as Revo Drums found of the Genos. So really in all fearness, it's like comparing technology which is like 5 years and 10 months old if the maths do well ... I do like Korg and in a matter of fact, I owned 4 Korg keyboards which I enjoyed however with this new Korg Pa5x, I seem to find after trying it out in Melbourne, Australia that the styles seem to greatly be lacking inner harmony and also as if you're playing drum and bass with a settle hint of orchestarion in between! I will be waiting for the new Yamaha flagship that will eventually replace the current Yamaha Genos Ver. 2.1 no matter when that will be ...

[@ariesmyanmar9278]

I recently got Genos. I also have Tyros 4 and PA4X. I prefer the voice and sound color of yamaha than Korg. But Korg has better flow and easy to use. But Yamaha improved a lot with touch screen and more depth in functionality.

[@_jackoneill_]

The PA5x is not bad, but it has by no means caught up with the older and better Genos. Some sounds are quite good on the Korg, given that it is a PA home series of arrangers; however, overall seen and heard, Genos is still the most desirable arranger/workstation precisely because of its perfection, innovation and genius from about 5 years ago.

[@jordanking7711]

For people that are going to say 'oh but the Korg Pa5x doesn't bring anything new to the table', it's obvious that Korg took inspiration from not only the Yamaha Genos keyboards in terms of the LED strip on the front panel as well as the UI elements, but also the Roland Fantom series with it's pads (which are called Matrix pads on the Pa5x) and sounds from not only the Nautilus but their previous flagship the Kronos and SV-2 I believe (but feel free to quote me). Yes it may not be anything 'new', but to me, who cares. Not sure about the Pa4x because I've never owned one, but it's MILES better than the Pa3x which I DO still have and am seriously thinking about upgrading to the Pa5x.

[@pawlikp100]

There is over 50 essential differences between pa4x and pa5x. Many people how can't see the difference between pa4x and pa5x just don't know its own instrument. Coping good solution is nothing bad.

[@dharmendrajuvvala6763]

They both sound so great... But to a middle class musician just touching it is a dream and what is beyond dream is buying it.

[@kedbeats7063]

Just work hard and you’ll see that buying one of them will be just a choice! 😊

[@dharmendrajuvvala6763]

@@kedbeats7063 thank you so much sir.... Truly I started saving some money for buying the same but suddenly my father got hospitalized I had no option than to spend the money I saved and when the problem got a little better then again I started saving but this time I had to spend for my mother. Almost Every turn in life is mysterious we hope to escape some, and others have to be faced. We Indians say we have more values than any other country men but in reality we expect others to practice the so-called valued system. The reason that I say this is we in India are justly paid for labour. Thank you again for the nice words..... Thank you....

[@lordbachus]

As a Genos owner (and previously a pa4x owner) i think the pa5x shows his strength even more in the style department, not only better arrangements, but also a much better overal sound. The pa5x also picked up in the acoustic department and the new DNC sounds are finally on par with the sa2 sounds in Genos. Where it comes to functionality, the pa4x wins all over… better keybed, much better panel, tiltable screen, keyboardsets, dual styles.. they also finally adapted the file system Yamaha uses…. The only thing Genos has going is its performance memories, they are so flexible..korg should add this to the pa5x, by adding up to 16 performance memmories for each songbook entry, and using the matrix or the buttons under the small screen to controll them

[@frankr7239]

Yeh pa4x sounds better than pa5x

[@richievpiano]

Well stated. Powerfully stated.

[@shihengyifans]

What is performance memory ?

[@bertpierey3655]

For me clearly the genos

[@marcoheinze9733]

I have both ,i like both ,korg has dark sound yamaha bright sound ,korg styles are compact ,yamaha styles more variable ,love both ❤❤

[@samsuefergo12]

I'd be happy with either of them.....They both come up pretty really well really.

[@tomi29999]

Mogę Ci sprzedać genos za 20000zl😁

[@Jb-Raja]

Just having bought my first ever musical instrument in the form of a Yamaha PSS-f30 at the ripe old age of 54 I guess I'd have to live to at least 75 before I would qualify for any of these things. I loved the demo. Sigh.

[@lavamax2630]

اعجبني تعليقك واتمنى لك العمر المديد يا صديقي - انا من العراق وعمري 50 عام - أخيرا حققت امنيتي واشتريت ياماها psr a5000 وهو نسخة مطورة عن ياماها Sx 900 - تحياتي لك🌹

[@Binhkorg93]

rgergreg

[@tomi29999]

Ja mam 42lata i wkoncu od roku dorobiłem się Yamahy genos ale nie mam kiedy grać. Bo muszę pracować daleko od domu " żeby żyć" I takie to życie żeby całe życie pracować na marzenia i nie mieć czasu ich konsumować.

[@ottomanbeatsofficial]

is there a track out feature in these keyboards? For example i want to use oriental sets, but want to trakc out the drum loop 4 bars, replace the kick and keep percussion and use it in a different project. Or do i have to manually record every sound seperatly as wav instead?

[@shihengyifans]

Korg has option to change anything , but not in yamaha.

[@ottomanbeatsofficial]

@@shihengyifans i have been told what im trying to isnt possible ;(. Id have to record each sounds pattern as wav then synch everything up later.

[@samuelarailoajunior696]

You can do that on the KORG There’s a video on KZbin about it

[@samuelarailoajunior696]

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[@gowimusic]

Every keyboard/synth will have strengths and weaknesses. Both sound Excellent! So the conclusion is purchase both, be happy, and ignore the credit card bill… lol!

[@dennisoyston]

Ignoring the credit card bill is a great idea :) Let someone else worry about that.

[@Daring2Win]

Or, pay your bills and live in the roomy combined boxes.

[@richievpiano]

@@dennisoyston made my day with a laugh. I now own both and don't GAF. Get the best for yourself always or spend a life getting boards that are not ever fully satisfactory.

[@mysticjoe295]

@@richievpiano Absolutely! This. I tried the SX 900 and the Casio CTX 5000 and then the Genos and even though it’s quite expensive, I’m considering upgrading from the Genos to the Genos 2 because I like it so much. I’m nearing retirement and the cost is not that prohibitive for me. As I keep putting things like this off as I get older, I keep asking myself what am I waiting for.

[@guillermo7224]

I would but I need to put my family’s needs first. One day God willing I’ll get one.

[@peterbaker7963]

Used Yamaha for years DX's Sy's, CX, EX's, but listening I have to say it's the Pa5X that comes out on top for me. Hats off to Korg

[@rbob1973]

I had owned Yamaha keyboards from the 80's... I even moved to Kenwood... But with Korg, the sound is Raw... its not softened or dampened like the Yamaha.... Which is a shame for such performance keyboards, though through the 80's the DX7s was a synth to reckon with... but then the Korg M1 was a game changer.... For me, for a more softer, dampened experience, Yamaha will deliver... Though for Korg, the sounds are richer, my dynamic and raw to their natural self.

[@richievpiano]

Do you mean you have moved to the most expensive Italian Ketrons? I love to audition these in the USA [not in stores].

[@davidjohn9006]

As a listener, though fascinated by the technology of sound/instrument used in such, I really felt that the sound quality overall, from the Yamaha Genos, was more clearer, richer and closer to that of the instruments in the real world…. But hey that just me and my 2cents worth … really amazing … and enjoyable ….

[@downpatmusic]

Korg sounds good. Add a volume pedal to your solo split and it will add a lot more realism. A lot of the time, if you play like the instrument you are trying to emulate it will sound much more real just because you are copying the type of dynamics of the instrument itself. The power of an expression/volume pedal is enormous.

[@billrodgers5532]

What a great Idea! Perhaps one day Manufactures will incorperate a feature whereby How Hard you hit the key the Character of the voice would change. They could call this Velocity switching and maybe vibrato or pitch bend could be effected by adding pressure to the key also. They could call that Aftertouch.

[@Echochamber79]

@@billrodgers5532 hahaha... have to admire your sarcasm!

[@ChromaticPlayer_Paul]

Completely agree, much more feeling in the music!

[@25musicmaker]

The transition from one sound to another when playing is much smoother on the Korg. This is a huge dealbreaker on the Yamaha. Genos is clearly an older generation workstation. It has nothing to do with preference; it's all about quality of sound and styles and what is expected of a modern keyboard. Standards have gone up since Genos has been launched...

[@terenteregele6751]

Genos sounds better, the samples are more real, at Korg they are a bit metallic and without essence.

[@terenteregele6751]

@@Echochamber79 Hi! Everyone with their opinion and ear ... I can't contradict you, but I can't approve of you either. I also had Yamaha and Korg, different models ... I stayed at Yamaha in the end, I also kept a Korg Pa700.

[@TheJohndenhaag]

Try started an intro with a major or minor chords on GENOS , is very awful 😖 KORG & KETRON played always appropriate as it should be. I can tell you, cuz I've played on both keyboards, you didn't 🤣 just tried snd hear again on GENOS with minor key, 🙏

[@terenteregele6751]

@@TheJohndenhaag The Korg stylings are embarrassing, they don't compare to the Yamaha ones. Make a simple comparison, find me a good waltz rhythm in Korg.....

[@maciejmusic]

Its not true. Korg better, much natura. Yamaha empty, not natural voices.

[@terenteregele6751]

@@maciejmusic It also matters what kind of musical ear you have, everyone has their own perception.... Apart from the rhythms and tones from the factory, Korg doesn't really have anything, they weren't able to make a package of regionalized rhythms. Check out Yamaha's packages of regionalized rhythms and tones, there are enough for all areas of the world, to hear how it sounds.

[@lgvdbroek]

Thank you for this comparison. After the introduction of the Korg, I doubted whether I would trade in my Genos for the PA5X. I am now convinced that I will keep my Genos. In terms of sound and handling.

[@gowithgoldstraw]

With the advent of the Genos 2, I am in the market for either a used original Genos or at a push I could stretch to a PA5X. I suspect there's no way I will be able to justify the cost of a new Genos 2. Based on other demos, I had been inclining to the Korg. Anyway, I sat down and listened (before reading any of the comments btw) and marked the winners (IMO) of each bit of the demo. To my surprise, the Yamaha won hands down, with the Korg only getting the nod for its cello, piano and pipe organ. It was a little difficult to decide in some categories, as we didn't get like-for-like voices (such as on the strings comparison) and the playing wasn't very idiomatic for the instrument being replicated in many cases. But throughout the experience, it became clear to me is that while some of Korg's basic samples are indeed superior to the Genos, the thing which pushes the Yamaha back to the front time and again is the way the notes connect to each other. Closing your eyes, you are still aware of individual keys being pressed in the melodies, whereas the Genos articulations sound closer to the instrument being replicated. So, mind made up - I will grab a used Genos 1 soon (and save a grand or so into the bargain).

[@shihengyifans]

Have you bought any of them ? I am also tryong to decide pa5x or Genos 1. Good luck !

[@gowithgoldstraw]

@@shihengyifans as predicted I bought a used Genos 1 and am very happy with my purchase.

[@ramim.5856]

I really like some sounds of the Genos but still $6k at the moment and PA5X is also superb and less expensive and has new technology so PA5X I think!

[@richievpiano]

Price may not be as relevant when comparing these boards. I have both and any gigs coming up the Genos is going on stage if I have to choose immediatedly! Some others may decide the Korg! How to know with certainty is to audition both extensiveley. What a bill that is. $10 grand ....tax like $600 ....so buy USED?

[@JoseVGavila]

A good player will sound wonderful with any of these. I have a Genos, but I am just an amateur player, so for sure the tool is not the problem 😅😅😅

[@TheHanso1961]

Im also a amateur player but the thing what counts is the joy u have in playing ur keyboard and for sure the Genos is a complete instrument

[@TheHanso1961]

Im also a amateur player but the thing what counts is the joy u have in playing ur keyboard and for sure the Genos is a complete instrument

[@mrchris8846]

You are so very correct. So many people come onto these comments and ramble about things when their playing skills really create a near impossibility to adequately evaluate the instrument they are playing. Almost every pro player will tell you the same exact thing. In this day and age, you will go with who sponsors you. If you don't have a sponsor, any of these keyboards will work because their skill set makes them shine and appear better to listening ears.

[@MaxPower-zp7wy]

err no they won't. The instrument sampling is way way way better on the Genos. You can't play your way to a more realistic sound. I have good ears for accurate instrument sounds. Korg is way newer than the Yamaha so they had loads of time to make a decent tool. Wait till the new Genos arrives. Yamaha are the leaders in sound and creation. Go figure.

[@X22GJP]

err yes they will. The instrument sampling is close enough that nobody in a typical audience will know the difference. You can play yourself to a more realistic sound. I have good ears for everything. Korg may be newer than Yamaha, but that doesn’t mean they can’t, and haven’t, made a good tool. By all means wait for the new Genos to arrive, won’t be long. Yamaha are not the leaders in sound, but they do lead the way in recreating “some” sounds. Go figure. There I was thinking that fanboys were largely the domain of console gamers…oh dear.

[@novatoi]

I owned a pa4x and then decided to exchange for Genos after 3 years even I prefer the pa4x semi weight keys , the Genos keys are a bit lighter .Now after listen to many Pa5x Demo including your demo , I think in general Korg pa4x and pa5x sound output are the same , it sound like we have to lower the bass and raise the treble a bit with the equalizer section ( that's why it sound a bit synthetic as many mentioned ) . On the other hand , Genos sound clearer and spacial . Personally the only thing I miss my Korg is Genos does NOT have 4 separate Fill In or a programable buttons for Fill In 1 to 4 , sometimes I played with Variation 4 but I wanted to use fill in #1 repeatedly , I have to press Var 1 and quickly press Var 4 again so the rhythm still stay at Var 4 !!!..... this is tiresome :). Secondly , with Genos I can NOT create Combo sound and store in separate library and call up QUICKLY at anytime later . The only thing I can do is store in 10 registration memory and store in registration in memory bank . If I play on stage as one-man band , by the time I found a particular combo sound ( registration ) to do a solo part , the singer would have finished his/her song and ready for the next , LOL ..... Anyway , good Demo , sir ! 👍👍👍

[@drqasim1974]

Agree

[@alierfani7637]

Hi, it's a fun video, basically, this type of comparison between two devices that have the ability to process sound is completely wrong, and the creation of sound in these types of professional devices depends on the ability and skill of the user or musician, but in the case of Yamaha in the categories Like Genus or SX, there is a rule that sells the device with raw effects to the user so that the user can create the sound in his own style and preference, but by default, Korg makes changes to the sound as much as possible, that's why in the competition market, because Korg installs the processed sounds on the device, most of the musicians tend to use Korg, while Yamaha is a sound pack manufacturer, by selling and installing the pack on the Yamaha instrument, it creates a transformation that is absolutely amazing.🌹

[@alexscott5990]

I just can't wait for the genos 2, been saving my pennies since purchasing the sx900.

[@lordbachus]

Expect it in 2025, maybe late 2024, but not a day earlier

[@casperbrandt7137]

@@lordbachus Why You dont Think it could happen in 2023?

[@alexscott5990]

Well the mini genos is more than enough to put me on till then, just wish they'd fix the keybed issue on the sx900

[@lordbachus]

@@casperbrandt7137 no, on the high end.. 2023 should be the year of a new montage.. Genos came about 2 years after the first Montage… Peter Baartmans explained to us during a Demo how the time between upgraded models would at least double..

[@mrchris8846]

@@lordbachus A yamaha rep I know has 2025 is probably the earliest you would see a Genos 2. He also said 2026 may be more realistic but 2025 has a decent change to happen. You should really save those pennies because I was also informed they plan to push the price up possibly to 7-8k.

[@ElektronicCricket]

I’m someone who makes my own backing tracks … my own sound, interpretation, … a system like that is interesting if you want to work fast. But originality … that’s something else and you must learn al these functions and use the instruments in a right way. So, I think for a good result … a musical taste , the sound and how to handle the styles are important. My first impression, the Genos 2 sounding very natural, more details, beautiful intro … endings, but when the intro is done and you have to play along … here you must use the right instruments otherwise it becomes “cheesy “ 😊 … thanks for sharing

[@andrem.musiek]

Nice playing, i'm going to give my vote to the PA5X this time round.

[@pedropiccinin3227]

Na primeira musica com o Genos já dá pra ver a GRANDE diferença de qualidade de som em relação ao PA-5x

[@MrQuirinus]

Olá, desculpe, sou um leigo no assunto mas, seria tão grande assim? Eu percebi que tanto o yamaha quanto o korg reproduzem com muita perfeição a ponto de que até as falhas que dão charme e vida a uma música executada por instrumentos reais serem percebidas. Incrível! Mas, poderia me indicar um teclado que não fosse muito caro, algo no máximo 5 mil pra começar os estudos? Obrigado pela ajuda.

[@ManuelHernandez-bg8bl]

I've been waiting for the new Yamaha Genos and am really impressed with the Korg Pa5x 88. It be 10 lbs lighter than my Yamaha Tyros 5 and give me 88 keys! I've owned the early PSR's and a few Tyros's and have had absolutely no problems with any Yamaha product or support. I don't know much abou Korgs Customer service and the quality. Very Tempting.

[@instrumentalepopullore]

Korg has always been more portable with great quality...quality did the yamaha as well...but for some reason I always use Korg. However there some stuff that Yamaha doese better and some Korg does better.... It is always persons choice... I think they tie always just up to person how it likes

[@dennisoyston]

At last, someone opens the demo with a beautiful sound. It is NOT a piano! Most demonstrations play the first half as a piano and then meander into disco beats. Loved the sound of both. Not sure if I would replace my T4, don't like the touch screen. I have the SX700 and to me the touch screen is a pain. Still, when one comes available to try I may have a go.

[@Echochamber79]

That's because the piano, for most, is the most critical sound. I base my discussion on how good the piano is first, then the other sounds.

[@JosephCsikos]

You're too old! You should play upright piano only!

[@_c_y_p_3]

@@JosephCsikos had I lived through disco I would still be having a meltdown too, had Punk not saved us all.

[@_c_y_p_3]

On a serious note I hear you on the touch screens, there is a place for them but I think on higher end workstations everything should be tactile and a touch screen should be a secondary route to access thing. That said, on a device like an ipad, korg gadget absolutely out does almost any other workflow I have ever used, and pair it with the nanokeystudio bluetooth midi controller and a backpack , I would have that over most other gear. Certainly if I had to create a piece of music with any precision. And this applies to any genre, not just “disco”.

[@keanuman1]

For Yamaha users and fans, I think Korg PA5x wins because there is a digital piano model (88 keys) with aftertouch (first 88 key piano arranger with aftertouch and ribbon controller), 16 Matrix Launchpad (similar to Casio MZ-X500 which is the first arranger keyboard that has a 16 launchpads). And, of course, deep editing for sound parameters, loads of Insert and Master FX slot, professional mastering EQ (you can use shelving and peaking for Lows and Highs. Also, LPF and HPF at Master EQ are added to PA5x as well. Sadly, Genos doesn't have advanced EQ features). Not only that, lots of effect plugins (VCM plugin and real distortion only few in Genos). 4 Insert effect for guitar and support guitar input (Genos have no Guitar Input). The coolest features in PA5x are enabled to cross-fade between 2 different styles and song/audio as well. For sound and style, so far, so good is 50:50 and the drums for PA5x are the same as Revo Drums on Genos, which has a round-robin sample (when you hit the same key, the sound is a bit different for more natural-sounding drums). Korg PA5x acoustic drums sounds more realistic and punchy than the older series thanks to the new round-robin samples (the old PA drum sounds a bit awful).

[@jordanking7711]

Don't forget also that Korg carried over their SST (Smooth Sound Transition) technology from their Kronos workstations to the Pa5x, which allows you to go from sound to sound, without having the previous cut off abruptly, and that a lot of the sounds from the Kronos and Nautilus workstations are in the Pa5x as well.

[@keanuman1]

@@jordanking7711 Yeah sorry, I forgot about that. PA5x is also the first arranger keyboard that supports smooth transition that you mentioned earlier.

[@JamesMiller-bq5ce]

I’m still about all this

[@australier263]

Very good test! Both are beautiful KB's but I would prefer the Korg, the rythm section, sounds and drums are much better, more life! The organ and guitar sounds are marvelous. Sax and Strings more real! Korg features much more for the users!

[@bakerman3039]

There are certain sounds which are more realitic on the korg pa5x. But what does it count, when they don't fit nicely into an arrangement? The Genos has a sound character where all sounds complement each other. And that's what you need if you want an arranger keyboard. You do not play sounds solo. You play them together.

[@mrchris8846]

True and other video have shown the Pa5x is very, very good in this area. What I found interesting is how many people fail on the blind listening experiments.

[@Talia.777]

True and Genos styles are extremely realistic than Korg pa5x even being 7 years older....

[@fabu.8882]

HI Bakerman3039, very interesting. I'm hesitate between a PA5X and a Genos. I had a Genos live demo and I had exactly the same impression: all sounds together fit really good together, in particular when changing the variation with OTS. I'm happy to read your feedback.

[@bakerman3039]

@@fabu.8882 Go with the Genos, or wait till the next generation Genos will launch. The Pa5x sounds in whole like the Pa4x. If you fall in love with the Korg sounds I would look for the Nautilus which has much more modern sounds, the same pianos as Pa5x and a new 4 pattern drum sequencer which can emulate an arranger.

[@fabu.8882]

@@bakerman3039 thanks for the advice. 👍👍 I can probably not wait until the next genos.😄

[@ALMAR-Music-Ltd.]

it's very difficult to compare when different EQ's that are built into these keyboards can be totally adjusted using external VST three effects in a DAW or just get the best instruments from Audio Modelin and use the arrangers keyboard for the recording or performance

[@nikooplayer]

I think Korg wins most of keyboard-friendly sounds like pianos and organs, etc., but for articulated sounds like trumpet, sax, guitar... Yamaha is still a leader and Korg could not able to do it the way Yamaha is doing. Articulated instruments of Yamaha sounds much better.

[@ms6000]

Actually Korgpa5x is far more superior in every aspect then Yamaha even in sounds quality I’ve tried both you can’t compare pa5x is different world trust

[@nikooplayer]

@@ms6000 Definitely we see differences in sound quality. They are obviously using larger and better samples. They are more production ready than before. We should wait for new iteration of Yamaha Genos, then we can compare.

[@a.brantschen6912]

Sorry, but the Yamaha organ sounds are so much better. The Korg organ sounds are without power, warmness, they are thin and weakly. The Korg Organ sounds are really unsatisfactory ..

[@nikooplayer]

@@a.brantschen6912 Yes, Yamaha sounds have more teeth and are bright

[@ms6000]

@@a.brantschen6912 if your a professional keyboard player you can’t choose a keyboard over an organ sound cuz you can have it sampled besides the features and the arranger engine in korg surpasses Yamaha actually there’s no comparison Korg is user friendly and has all the option for a live application un like Yamaha is not user friendly and especially I am middle eastern Korg dominated the market in Middle East.

[@karaoke6861]

Genos is compressed and pre-mastered, love it

[@shad0wfax]

Given that the Genos is now 5 years old, it's amazing that it can still stand against the latest Korg's flagship model. Even certain sounds and accompaniments are better on the Yamaha IMO. They really did a great job work with the Genos, and it made the competition struggle just to try to be on a par. The PA5X seems really good, but I don't plan to get rid of my Genos, at least in the short term. BTW, in the panflute sound demo it would have been much better to use the new sound of the 2.0 update, instead of the "stock" panflute sound which is there at least since the PSR-9000, even before the Tyros.

[@mrdali67]

Think Korg have made a big move here. They are getting close on the Genos. Their articulations have become much better than befor and a few of the voices are slightly better sounding. Really A nice board. Too bad it only got 61 keys. The orchestral sounds still can use some refinement. Just shows how leading Yamaha have been ever since they introduced the SA Sounds in the Tyros line, and hands down, even some years have gone, the Genos is still the best arranger board available, and propably also the most expensive apart from Wersi. But I am sure I can find some functions in the Korg if I had it that is better. It just surprices me that Korg have worked much more with enhancing the PA line instead of its top dog, the Kronos r.i.p. and gone with a striipped down version in th Nautilus without aftertouch on any of the models. Korg does some strange things. Is there reAlly a better marked for a premium arranger board than a Premium Workstation ? Why not combine the 2 ? The Genos is a fantastic keyboard, but it also cost a tad more than even the Kronos 2 88. If they don't think there is a market for a big workstation, I can't see why there should be many people that have the money for a Genos.

[@chrissanchez1438]

What's funny is that so many people said the same thing about the PA4x when the Genos came out.

[@mrchris8846]

@@chrissanchez1438 Indeed, a very fair point.

[@sedion]

I was thinking about the same thing for the pan flute voice

[@moetyros]

I haven't seen either one in person to be honest, but after listening to many many demos it feels like both are very disappointing at this price point. They both probably have some nice technical features and nice bells and whistles, but sound wise, they are still very comparable to their respective predecessors. The Genos sounds very close to the Tyros and even some of the most recent high end PSRs. The PA5X equally sounds like older PA series arrangers. at 5-6K USD, it feels like a ripoff in both cases. It feels like a PSR SX900 or a PA1000 can probably achieve 80% of these flagships at half the price.

[@simonralpmet7901]

Hoping to see a vst enabled Yamaha,Korg why nor reentry of Roland! Full 15 continuous control pluggable foot pedals that transfer online sliders to foot (not just midi pedal bass). 20 programmable foot buttons [manual bass, fingered* modes switch, separate dedicated sequences up/down, articulation switches]. Yamaha have some but not all save to registration and need to swap (only 2). I wanted to open keyboard and rewire 2 knobs to 10k foot pedals (will lose guarantee..). A programmable modulation&bend pedal: pressing pedal auto generate sin, cos triangular, damping oscillation, etc with a switch onboard or attached on one finger to change waveform. No expert keyboard player can be seen on KZbin capable of programming styles & executing an [approx] exact song as played on the records from start to finish with same original arrangement. We see (very) advanced piano players with almost no mastery to push the instrument to its limits / advanced technical capabilities of the keyboard. (yes those can do lots of things...)

[@moetyros]

@@Echochamber79 Or maybe I have been listening to keyboard demos for years and hear nothing special compared to product demos from 2012?

[@uzdefrederic1055]

I agree...I have a roland fa06 and I can achieve the same result for a quarter the price. But it requires more work

[@Ahmad-Mounir44]

You're defo right. My SX900 is doing just fine

[@nerciosantos-s6i]

Concordo plenamente com seu comentário, antigamente a diferença entre um top e um de entrada era gritante. Hoje não tem muita diferença.

[@jobmandem9559]

Yamaha has the accompaniment sounds well arranged and eq'd to the sounds. It sound more full and balanced.

[@basspig]

Is it my perception or does the Yamaha not do Leslie speaker spin up and slow down it just seems to switch the effect on and off abruptly?

[@rick_hotbox]

7:39 so relaxing.. great playing 😊👍

[@Initial_Gain]

I have neither the Korg nor the Genos. I was thinking of getting a Genos but now that I've heard the Korg I think generally it's more advanced with regards to better sounds and styles except a few. I now would want a Korg Pa5X 76 or 88 😊

[@DJIncendration]

I don't know when Genos 2 will be, but I hope Yamaha makes one after this.

[@lovepreetsinghgill517]

Korg tones are realistic and sweet.

[@OneroomBeatz]

Can you assign chords to the pads like with the Korg M3?

[@achamilton]

HI, you can not assign chords of this current firmware but who knows whats round the corner with software updates. You can assign loop and single hit pads so for example you can assign the matrix pads to trigger samples or riffs.

[@CipriPopescu]

Yea nice…arrangers, but I’m still dreaming of a Native Instruments Arranger…

[@yuliyanparpulev3589]

I think very soon will see NI keyboard now Akai mpc 61 come on stage.

[@CipriPopescu]

@@yuliyanparpulev3589 maybe 🙌🏼! I’m talking about an arranger that’s worthy of 2022 tech, rethinking the whole concept. Possibly adding expansions and plug-ins, and a factory library made entirely from NI products. That would be a real game changer, a truly amazing sound. These korg arrangers are the sound of the past, no offense to the owners, but they still sound dull and…fake

[@yuliyanparpulev3589]

@@CipriPopescu Hi, I have the same problem, so I always use external sound modules for my korg pa4. I like the functionality of the korg but the sounds are weak. If you want a sound effect on the arranger, you have to work a lot and invest in sound modules, and that's extra money. Now I'm thinking of buying an MPC live2 and integrating it midi to work using the arranger some sounds from Akai because they are better.

[@CipriPopescu]

@@yuliyanparpulev3589 I understand you very well! It feels like nobody thought of a studio-grade arranger, even if it’s totally doable today. I think the AKAI is a great value for money, but fitting more in a band with drummer and such, it’s not as practical yet as a korg arr. It’s inconvenient to install laptops and modules and controllers, just to achieve a quality sound, which you already paid for, to be honest. $5000 should get you a LIVE STUDIO 😩

[@yuliyanparpulev3589]

@@CipriPopescu Now with new update Akai have midi learn functionality, so I we try to mapping korg pa4 with Akai and we see. Maybe it's good maybe not, if work i will let you know. Regards

[@ahmadjaafar7172]

Can I have a clarinet sound?

[@agusjuhana8417]

yanaha genos is really good, his voice is clear and powerful, I think YAMAHA GENOS is the best bro 👍👍👍👍

[@EM2916]

The Yamaha sounds nice and smooth

[@wersitime]

the volume is louder on the yamaha than the korg -adjust volume levels on Korg higher

[@expositiontvjm]

Which DAW did you used to record the sounds and styles, Logic, Cubase, ?? They both great keyboards. As a pianist I prefer 88 keys, pity the Genos at such high price tag does not come with the 88 keys version.

[@ahmedalbaidan5208]

Unfair comparison, a keyboard of 2022 certainly wins over a 2017 one.

[@AnatolBagrin]

GENOS (2017), pa5x (2022). Korg still not reading styles from usb and user memory (1gb)…and much more to compare. Still not disappointed with GENOS 😊.

[@TMCHL]

And 15k sample wave limit so even if it was 100gb there is no point until Korg remove that wave limit...

[@AnatolBagrin]

@@TMCHL Tyros 4 has also 10k wave limits, so Korg didn’t remove it, 2022. Disappointed ☹️

[@zdravkozdravka4313]

What nonsense are you writing! Korg reads styles from a usb without any problem. In addition, it crushes the Genos on stage. The Yamaha sounds flat and lacks selectivity. When playing with your right hand or when you start to sing, the style is lost.. You can't hear it clearly.. Korg is different. There is dynamics, selectivity. Powerful on stage!

[@AnatolBagrin]

@@zdravkozdravka4313 style from usb? How? Explain it

[@davidtyros2248]

Každý nástroj má svoje mínusy a plusy a zdá se mi že korg nestíhá dohnat genos :) Už se těším jeké novinky přinese nástupce Genosu

[@vladimirivanov6353]

Fantastic synths and both is amazing❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@Thursdaym2]

Just like the way you interpret the music, some good jazz influence there.

[@LittleRichard1988]

The Genos has better quality drums and lead guitar sounds and Genos also has 76 keys. The Korg PA5X has more dynamics in it's piano sound and some of the acoustic guitars sound a bit more realistic but most other sounds tend to have the same level of realism regardless of the brand. I was surprised some of the Korg PA5X's saxophones sound similar to the Tyros 4 or Tyros 5 saxophones but on Genos the saxophones have been improved.

[@congolesecitizen339]

The comparaison between PA5X and Genos 2 will be more fair 😁

[@harryflowers7555]

I should have said: with the massive folders split them into 10 or more smaller folders for the usb so that your k/b can quickly access everything.

[@michaelgreen2283]

I'd love to be able to afford the set-up Justin is showing, but I can't so I'll stick with my trusty Genos, although the Korg looks and sounds fabulous.

[@genosman9014]

the Genos has a far Better sound all Round

[@genosman9014]

@@Echochamber79 To Right

[@MarekCina00]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqSbg4ydZ6iWqdU

[@jesua301]

To me Genos sound is more expressive, more full, more round, and more artistic. Korg pa5x is excellent also, but I don't hear powerful rhythm and sounds are more plastic, not natural. I think that new Genos (mybye they will change the name of unit) will blew away korg pa5x. I will wait for next Genos, and switch from tyros to it.

[@63msvincenzo]

Questa comparizione andrebbe fatta con l'uscita della nuova Genos, con tutto ciò trovo la Genos ancora eccezzionale. Poi dai Styles ascoltati della nuova pa5x molti sono copiati da Genos . Comunque la Korg pa5x ,è un gran bel arranger .... Tra Genos e pa5x è questione di gusti. Personali.

[@Soryt]

The Genos Stil wins in sound realism and it has the Ensemble function that no Other arranger keyboard has , what I mis in the presentation is the TC Helicon vovalizer like in all other Korg top keyboards ? The Pa 5 is a great upgrade for the PA4 , but I wait for the Genos 2 to replace my Genos . I hope Yamaha looks to the PA5 for hardware and case .

[@bramblebop1904]

Well done! Great demo.

[@carlosmc7304]

Me not being a specialist find KORG sounds more “synthetic” and YAMAHA sounds more “natural” though I’m sure this are not adecuate terms to describe them.

[@pablosotomayorcampoverde4104]

Para mí, yamaha genos es mejor en calidad de sonido.. Empezando por las baterías, son más reales y tienen más peso al momento de ejecutar un acompañamiento y los sonidos ni se diga. Korg tiene lo suyo en edición q es su punto fuerte .. Pero prefiero el genos. Es cuestión de gustos, pero en sampleo de instrumentos de fábrica mejor es yamaha..son mas reales los sonidos.

[@adelinomarques2909]

Rapaz a korg sempre ganhou na frente do yamaha nessa questão de bateria por ser mais natural o som

[@operegrino023]

@@adelinomarques2909 já explorou as baterias do genos?

[@adelinomarques2909]

@@operegrino023 nao amigão. Ele parece muito com psr quando ouvir o som do geno pensei que era o psr

[@gabrielirlanda]

Genos swallows the PA, then spit it and swallows the PA again, there is no rival for Genos. Brutally and honestly said by a Korg guy.

[@lintojoevarghese104]

The opposite in the case of indian and arabic music 😂

[@40EastTrill]

Depending on what you use it for

[@dddddddd9870]

here sound of built-in speakers???

[@frankr7239]

I'm a proud owner of a genos

[@genosman9014]

Same Here you Cant get anything better than Genos

[@pawlikp100]

@@genosman9014 You can but not everyone can afford it.

[@ramim.5856]

but it's yet so expensive!

[@frankr7239]

@@ramim.5856 Its worth it once you buy it you don't have to buy another keyboard again

[@shihengyifans]

I hope you created your own styles. Can you get new sounds , like leads for solos ?

[@mariskairan]

Sanks for muzic!!! Very cooll! Отлично представил 2 отличных аппарата! Будь здоров!!!

[@cashmotorm.f7795]

Korg, sonidos reales, sin duda. Yamaha suena como lejano, muy filtrados, sintéticos. En cambio korg es limpio y claro sin retoques, para bien o mal; parece salir del mismo instrumento. Transmite la esencia natural del instrumento elegido.

[@gigliodellavalle850]

Hai fatto una analisi perfetta! Orecchio fino eh!

[@Viplance]

Sounds like the end of 90s years. Both.

[@berardocecchinivazquez7484]

I know it has nothing to do with the video, but could you tell me what stand you use to put those two bulky and heavy keyboards, thanks and congratulations for your video.

[@babismousikos]

which of both do you think sounds better dear A&C Hamilton Musical Instruments ?!

[@tomlavelle8340]

They both are awesome, but the tilt screen may give K an advantage?

[@TMCHL]

Audio styles from usb drive? Still have 15k wave limit? Thanks

[@nudzio_o]

I heard about 30k of samples limit

[@jhonh.3918]

I think the comparative is not equally because genus have 5 years old in the market but the new version from Yamaha genus gona be better

Difficile de comparer des univers sonores différents, chaque marque ne peut pas être comparée, Yamaha,Korg/Roland/Ketron ,ont tous un grain différent , certains préféront une marque à une autre,et ce sera toujours comme cela je pense. Une très bonne continuation musicale et vive la musique 🎹.

[@mica412]

For me I would say the Genos has a nicer sound although ultimately I'm just green with envy at anyone who has the ability to create such wonderful music😀

[@richievpiano]

Just received the Korg PA5X [76 keys-semi-weighted...(not fond of its keybed feel)]. Impressive looking board. Well built physically. Yet I have NOT enjoyed even one single AC Piano voice. A big issue for me. They sound thin, brittle, hollow and contrived to my ears. Can't believe Korg has not an absolute and beautiful AC piano patch. I have the Kawai ES100 with nice pianos and buttery beautiful touch keybed and the Yamaha Genos 76 synth keybed [smooth and easy fast UI...pianos are smooth and acceptable for an electric board]; Korg Hammond patches are passable and strong but less so on the Genos. The Korg Hammond patches have nicer Leslie Rotary simulation than the Genos. There is a lot more on the Korg to investigate that my be more important than Piano/Organ for many owners. I'll need more time. My impressions from these Korg KZbin videos are that the sounds are falsely impressive but misleading when I actually audtioned them myself with my own good headphones. Your own Korg experineces may be totally varied than my own.

[@daveslastchance]

oh no.., sorry to hear this. I have a PA-1000 Korg and have disappointed with the acoustic piano sounds from the start. I was hoping the PA5X piano sounds would be much improved.

[@CercleBruggeFan]

Genos is still the best.

[@johnlocke2026]

Comparing the brand new Pa5X with the 5 years old Genos is not that fair, so let's wait for Yamaha's next top model.

[@nafrirad395]

I've enjoyed both. In my opinion acoustic sounds are win win with Genos and Synth sounds are win win with Pa5x. In my professional opinion if you are a studio player not a performer, don't buy Genos or Pa5x, You should buy "Band In A Box 2024" it is far far better than both. You can thank me later.

[@jymoulart7385]

The price difference of these two instruments is enormous. However, Yamaha sounds significantly better than the Korg. The voices are similar, but in comparison of clarity and sharpness, for the same choice of sounds, Yamaha would be in wave while Korg would reproduce the same sound but very compressed in MP3 128 kbs. Finally, for the extension of styles, Yamaha wins hands down for the choice, the quality and quantity available, the exchange with other owners of the brand and especially for the ease of use has nothing comparable by compared to Korg which is super secure and apart from paying a fortune to obtain a few sounds or styles and install them in the PaX is a real gas factory. Creating styles from midifiles is a hassle, plus the result is rubbish after spending hours trying to create one! On the other hand, the Genos is sold way too expensive. Let's wait for the arrival on November 15 of the "new..." Génos, will there be a clear improvement and also... at what price? !

[@roncelano7861]

The Korg is brighter while the Yamaha is more mellow on all the sounds to my ears.

[@henthust9784]

Would like to hear Korg PA5X vs Yamaha Montage 8

[@napiano-cz]

both stands are great, of course I prefer the KORG

[@antunkatona]

To my ears, the Yamaha still sounds more authentic. I am a bit surprised myself.

[@r.k.2487]

I'm going to wait for Genos 2 with hopefully 88 keys!

[@fredac86]

what is the song at 6:54 ???

[@achamilton]

HI, that is a play on Bruce Hornsbys - The Way It Is. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZ21gp2wodmUg7M

[@オールマイト-y1f]

Right, I dunno if this is jsut me. But when comparing the piano the korg is obviously far better. And individual instruments the Korgs brightness appears to make it sound far better. And I think Yamaha really dropped the ball with the keys on the Genos and not having a full 88 key version is ick. And on paper the Pa5X should just sound better in all regards. But see as soon as you start playing pieces on it. The genos just comes to life. It sounds so real and authentic. Its amazing. Where as the korg its blatantly a keyboard. If I closed my eyes and listened to full sets on both. I could tell you the korg was a workstation. The Genos I can't. It's so natural and organic. It makes it such a hard choice. If only the genos had the korgs key options it would have been perfect. But I think the Genos still wins for me. The korgs jsut sounds blatantly like a keyboard when all is said and done. The genos sounds like a real band playing. And the dynamic differences in the sounds is unreal. The Genos jsut smashes it. So I guess it comes down to intended use. But I think I'd be quite happy jsut plugging the Genos into my electric piano and using it more like a standalone work station. Maybe cut the keyboard off lol. The korg although I think technically wins out and its ui and couple of extras win. When it coms to that organic sound, it jsut has to be the genos for me. I'll take all the mechanical shortfalls for that any time of the day.

[@richievpiano]

Play them both yourself. . . then . . . see how you feel and you'll have valid merit. You have written well but actual experience with both is more important and a winner I do suggest? Watching a movie as to being in a movie for instance.

[@オールマイト-y1f]

@@richievpiano Yeah granted, a lot cant be lost in a recording. I've tried the genos out now. But haven't been able to find anywhere with a demo Korg yet near me. Want to give it a whirl. The guitar guitar said they would have one in again next month so hopefully get to give them both a try.

[@aubernfernandes2389]

Korg❣️

[@Cybercygni]

Both are extremely good, but I would probably buy the Yamaha if I had to choose.

[@tantalrembo7366]

The pianos are very action-packed and the sound is great

[@lordzson2700]

I'm a korg man, and Yamaha wins for me here!

[@hienvu1714]

I have owned the Tyros 5 for about 6 years and the PA5X for about a year. I like both but, to me, the organ is far superior on the Korg. The organ sounds didn't improve much, if at all,on the Genos 2. The screen, to me, is far superior on the Korg as well. If you do lots of one-man-band gigs, like many Asian people do, the Yamaha might be a better choice because that's the one most used and you can easily exchange styles or use someone else's keyboard at a gig.

[@rickmccoy777]

Drop the Bruce Hornsby demo.

[@genesgenos6708]

I definitely choose Yamaha

[@js-sound]

You're a joker! Watch all the videos in this series and just know that Korg does better than Yamaha. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJW5gYFppshopLM

[@serhii-ratz]

It is important to understand nothing new actually created over years in arranging stations since 199x. May be later some AI bring some improvements but is simply 199x model with a better UI

[@richievpiano]

They sound much much better. Is not that the selling point? It is a big deal. The essential purpose of both modeling and sampling synthesis for brilliant sound qualities. True...the Arranger concept [its purpose] is the same. . .backing tracks for a full band experience.