Yamaha Modx / Roland Fa / Korg Krome Sound Comparison

[@mikegeeguitarman8991]

What a truly amazing video. you deserve much credit fin sir as you obviously went to so much trouble. All 3 boards are excellent. I already have the krome but would be happy with any of them. They are all of such a high standard these days. Finally..congrats on being such an outstanding player..you would be such an assett to any band

[@canyoubelievethis220]

You are definitely SICK! You make it look as if there's no effort in playing the way you do. So hope you have more videos. Could listen to you play all day (and night) long. Thank you for taking the time to share. Much appreciated!

[@ecufile4095]

He is really a verry good player, great to hear. gr

[@scorpion9248]

Best comparison I’ve ever seen or heard! Great job!

[@rolandgerard6064]

Only one conclusion, you want to have them all.

[@lucalongoni4766]

I own all of them!😉

[@rolandgerard6064]

@@lucalongoni4766 hahaha great !!!!

[@rickygarcia7400]

Luca Longoni Awsome I have the modx6 fa6 I might get the me the krome next but I'm running out of space lol I have a lot of older synths from ensoniq esq1 to roland d50 DX7iifd gray matter korg x3 dw8000 trinity v3 korg tr61 karma Berhinger deep mind12 Dave Smith mofo caint get my self to sale any of thim I did also have a roland fantom x6 but sold that one to a buddy that wants to get in to synths.

[@dennisg6599]

Me three ! And I have the MOFX6

[@rickygarcia7400]

Dennis G still a nice synth

[@AbdiPianoChannel]

Yamaha modx is the king. I'm glad I own one. The DX7 FM synthesizer in the modx is the food of the soul.

[@caseytrombley4807]

That Roland FA demo is great, thanks for playing it.

[@erichickman2440]

I have a Korg Krome and I really love the realistic piano sounds and all of its capabilities. The only thing that sucks about it is the less durability on the road if you’re touring. You really need to invest in a better keyboard case because of the SD card. If that gets knocked out of place or if you need to get a brand new card you’re looking at 200 dollars just to fix the problem unless you do it yourself.

[@agst2006]

very nice comparison, would also be interesting to see the comparison of MODX's performance vs Roland and Korg's Combi. Thanks

[@patcaira2450]

Well, I had a Roland FA07, and now I have a Yamaha MODX since 3 month. No comparison : Yamaha sounds much better, and his touchscreen make it so easier to use !

[@wiggygfe]

which MODX did you get? 6, 7 or 8?

[@markjaylandes]

I had the FA06, and I tried it with my band and it just didn't make the cut. I sold it.

[@davidthornburg8116]

thanks man, thats all I need to hear !

[@arturomma8560]

@@markjaylandes do you recomend FA06 to make The Killers and Coldplay covers and play them in a band?

[@MEGASERG11]

Really loved your skills bro!

[@meinhodenjucktextrem7268]

This is the very best comparison ever. Thank you so much.

[@charudattagnihotri9899]

Well played!! Skills matters the most

[@reneliebregt6319]

Very good comparison !! Thank you for sharing your honest opinions about the different sounds 👍🎹😀 You play very good keyboard too😀

[@deydododontdedoh.5672]

I don't have any of these, I can't play but love synths. All sound great to me and would be happy with any of them but Yamaha edges it for me. The Roland sounds a bit muted/dull and Korg sounds the opposite a bit upfront/brassy but the yamaha sounds the more natural and neutral sounding of the bunch. Great playing, I really need to learn!

[@lars1588]

I've had my eyes set on the MODX for a while now, but I just wanted to expose myself to other keyboards similar to it to see if there was a better option for me. I think I'm still going to stick with the MODX. The FM synth engine is one of the big selling points for me.

[@damienlobb85]

Wow the piano on the Yamaha! The imaging and depth is phenomenal.

[@eloysuopunki7926]

Yamaha sounds most musical and inspiring.

[@patrickellis1981]

I have a tremendous amount of respect for all 3 boards. Nothing will top the Fa in my opinion. You cannot beat those expansion packs !!! And the sound building capabilities from scratch is just like having a vintage Jupiter board.

[@dougdixonhull]

I'm a massive Korg fan and Love the Roland's aswell owning both korgs synths and a Fantom so what I am going to say may come as a shock but in this demo I think the Yamaha wins, hands down. All are strong and capable but the MO has the edge. Great video

[@MEGASERG11]

Me 2

[@mattsynth]

All three sound great, nice playing.

[@lucalongoni4766]

Thank you! Many of this sounds are modified by me to fit better in live contests.

[@rashminparekh1364]

Than u so much for uploading this Video. I really appreciate your work.

[@javiceres]

Any time I see a comparison I wonder if they have bothered to fully edit the presets. By the way, some dont realize the FA has a full blown VA engine (along with the S+S etc) inside.

[@kevykev388]

Likely not! And I always wonder about the audio connections too. May be my playing or my personal tweaking but my FA sounded better than his lol. And I've owned an Electro 6D (sold it) and now Yamaha YC73. Thinking about getting another FA.

[@babar141]

Modx wins

[@atcfisherman]

All three are awesome. The FA is the bust buy for the money because of what you get. All three sound great in their own right.

[@STEN3326]

I am very satisfied with my Krome 88. No need to create additional needs

[@mrv1111]

I have the Krome 73 one. I'm satisfied with that workstation as well !!!

[@BRAPO]

@@mrv1111 Sold my 73, so regret Do have a Kronos 61 though, great sounds difficult to operate

[@arp3246]

Korg Krome 61 is good for recording a sound. Roland FA 06 is good for live performance. Where as Yamaha MODX is extraordinary thing. But where all keyboard have its own quality of sounds.

[@lolkpkemo6627]

The Roland Fa08 gives you knobs that lets you control the volume of your layers but the Roland Juno you can only use to sliders for layering but they both have the same sounds

[@arturomma8560]

does Juno have good quality sounds? what is your rate about it? i wanna buy Juno

[@redmusichouse]

Thanks for the comparison. They all sounds good in their own way but one thing that bugs me after all these years is why Korg still hasn't figured out how to do acoustic pianos. From Triton to now, all their APs sound so sterile and digital.

[@gcmproductions3499]

Have u heard or played the kronos?

[@redmusichouse]

Yes, since 2011@@gcmproductions3499

[@lesliejones6142]

@@redmusichouse Totally agree Korg just don't do good pianos I worked in a dealership where we had a lot of different makes so got to try them all and as awesome a synth the Kronos is (it can't be that bad I have one) I still go to my Nord for piano

[@jwalkproduction2375]

Go play the Kronos.

[@redmusichouse]

Been playing it since 2011@@jwalkproduction2375

[@dennisbrianalcaidemodina6189]

I like that he compares the contenders in the mid-range keyboard. However, it wasn’t fair for the Krome EX since its just the 61 key semi-weighted vs the others with 88 key hammer action, and the other 2 has sustain/damper pedals while there was none on the Korg Krome EX

[@lucalongoni4766]

It's not a commercial comparison, I've just played my own keyboards just givin' my 2 cents! 😉

[@dennisbrianalcaidemodina6189]

Yes I understand brother, thats the reason for your comparo. Just saying the Krome EX was the underdog here. Thanks

[@RonaldRademaker]

Modx sound is deep, tweak able, it's great. I, ve played and heared Roland fa, also great but Yamaha can also built sounds from scratch. So you Don, t need expansion packs

[@vatolegato]

The Roland FA also allows building sounds from scratch. But I think Yamaha has a better interface and has an FM engine.

[@ulisessdz426]

SONG 1:30?

[@lucalongoni4766]

Just the 2 of us👍

[@lolkpkemo6627]

Roland does a good job at Ep sounds and vintage organ sounds I would recommend Roland Juno DS or Fa 08

[@borispradel1037]

No, Roland DS organs are abysmal. It’s a great keyboard for electric pianos though. But not for vintage synths nor organs.

[@KeithDMitchell]

Excellent demo works here!!!,...Thanks for the Time, Talents, and Tenacious efforts to bring this to us, here on KZbin.com,....

[@JorgeFlores-pm8hs]

I do love Yamaha keyboard but the crispy sound of the keyboard korg it sounds amazing

[@hiagogomes9424]

6:50 what name of This music?

[@lucalongoni4766]

I will survive

[@hiagogomes9424]

@@lucalongoni4766 thanks

[@Amanet13]

I’m just waiting patiently to get MODX8,maybe on this coming NAMM Yamaha give us an update for MODX

[@DannyCodePlays]

Just in the first set of comparisons, you can hear the pad in the FA and Krome dropping notes. I'm no fan of Yamaha, but I have to say the MODX wins here.

[@ZosenShikishima]

Great comparison. Does anyone know the name of the first song? I want to know it.

[@lucalongoni4766]

I just played some simply chords... I don't know if there is a similar song! 😅

[@ZosenShikishima]

​@@lucalongoni4766 Oh, I see. I didn't know it was your ad-lib playing. I was listening to it, thinking it was a nice song. haha

[@ishankahelaruwan665]

Modx sounds are really beautiful. Can I get this library. I have the same keyboard😊

[@FarHanSolo]

Great comparison and playing of course. I've got the Roland FA-08, which I love except for million mile an hour synth work. So I have put the Yamaha MODX6, Korg Krome 61 and cheapest of all, Roland Juno DS-61 on my shortlist. I didn't like the synth action of the Korg Krome 61 but that may have been a busted up store demo version. I like the feel, sounds and price of the Juno DS-61 but am edging (saving up) towards the MODX6 or even MODX7, what do you say KZbin people....wait until 2019, is there really a Krome 2 on the way next year?

[@lucalongoni4766]

I don't know! I Think korg could present a new model!

[@naomiigashima9443]

Even though I'm a Roland user, but for this comparison I'd say the ModX wins here in most of categories except for organ sound that Korg is oviously the best for decades. Anyway, nice comparison and your playing performance is awesome.

[@pjjazzman]

They all different sounds I’m a korg guy I give it for the Rhodes sounds it stands out

[@blueslsd]

As a guitarist/producer the Yamaha sounds nice and mellow.

[@delightmedia1556]

How would you not play any synth lead on Roland Fa08? That keyboard's synth game is good.

[@abinthomas9511]

Modx - piano and ep are 'wowsome'

[@AdrianoStAubyn64]

The Roland Ac. Piano sounds warmer and deeper. But as many pianists say, when you play with the band it disappears.

[@kurtklingklang5918]

Typically, for live work, I'd boost the top end to cut through the mix.

[@kevykev388]

That reasoning is exactly why I sold my Electro 6D. To me, all the elements that make Nord pianos so special wash out in the settings I play in. Usually a drummer, bass, another keyboard player, guitar, etc. I Have a YC73 now. Thinking about returning it for a FA07. I used to have the 06 and I miss it dearly. The APs, EPs, strings, synth (of course) and even the organs were fine for me. Granted all were tweaked to my liking and stored on the board. And the overall features are bananas. Lot of menu diving but that it's feature packed. I missed the layering/split capabilites for sure. In the end....Yamaha outdid themselves with the original motif line. The MODX and Montage don't compare. Hence why most of the guys I see with either of those boards are still dragging around laptops and running soft synths

[@penponds]

That’s exactly why it’s better for a pianist playing solo or just practicing at home. It’s absolutely the closest to an acoustic piano by default. The others (as are many except for Kurzweil & Kawai) are all focused on the too-treble end to cut through a band. That’s why they sound much poorer in solo presentation.

[@gmsolutions589]

Why use a 61 key Korg where you can't get as much bottoms as the other two bigger boards. Also, sounds like you're not using a sustain pedal with the Korg. Just my two cents.

[@siloagrain2176]

I m not Shure about différences : the sound Can be changed on fa08 if you add some high fréquences in the equalizer ,and kill some middle Just a question of equalization.

[@tonylancer7367]

0:35 What default piano do Roland use? It always sounds so much closer than the Yamaha. Don't get me wrong, Yamaha has very good pianos (CFX and whatnot) but I just prefer the "closeness" of the piano.

[@mosesmedina6898]

Yamaha modx sounds so much better so warm .. and I have the modx8

[@markwyer3161]

I've just ordered a MODX, sounds amazing.

[@fahimdawer]

That's why it sounds so much better so warm bcz you have it dear.....

[@ramonkey2939]

Me to I just ordered a modx8 as well

[@carlocanevese2559]

Bravo, bella comparazione !

[@nomadwcd8877]

Looking for a new keyboard but it's so hard to know what to buy. The Roland sounds are pleasing to my ear but hate that the device is 7+ years old technology-wise.

[@scorpion9248]

They just got a new upgrade to the software 2.0

[@Saviour-r5f]

Which keyboard would be the best choice !!???? Only one answer

[@lucalongoni4766]

Modx

[@jamesrago2135]

Thank you! This was very helpful.

[@Darcity1]

Great job and excellent playing!

[@martinkulik9466]

You put Krome in combi or seq mode where piano didn't have all the effects. Compare again in program mode or copy piano program settings effects to seq and compare again.

[@lucalongoni4766]

Hello, I used my custom sounds, for piano I usually keep preset effects 👍

[@angthekeys621]

Despite of yr consideration i’m impressed by the emulation of fm piano on roland, can you tell us what performance or user patch is at minute 03:02? Whitney houston song. Thks and congrat. For yr demo

[@stefanoalderighi8993]

Excelent comparison. Could you please tell me the name of the song played at 1:31 ? Thank you

[@lucalongoni4766]

Just the 2 of us

[@bio-metric-1016]

Modx 7 it is for me then too get it in may 👌🏻🤘

[@synthplayer1563]

MODX sounds most of the time better and on top of this it has the FM-X engine. Any questions? ;-) Very nice playing!

[@fryk2462]

There different scales, and brands, for different purposes. The three giants on this industry. You can try any other combination from these brands. Beyond that, what I'm totally sure is that the display is instrumental on a quicker change of sounds & settings, and that weighted keys return the true feeling of playing a piano.

[@mrchris8846]

In case your injterested: Sales of Units over the last 6 months (last 3 months include Korg Krome EX). Disclaimer these numbers were received from investors reports and charted sales from 7 stores; 4 in the United States; 3 in Europe. Best Selling Yamaha ModX; a very, very close second is the Korg Krome. Roland FA is a distance third. The breakdown I received is follows. If 25 keyboards are sold among these three models. 12 are Yamaha, 11 are Korg and 3 are Roland.

[@sarbaazchabahar]

All 3 are great🎹✌I want them all

[@UniqueThaPoet]

I really like the Korg Kromes sequencer. It reminds me of the piano roll editing of Cubase. The sounds are ok, nothing special. Overall I like the krome. Yamaha sounds the best , but has lacked in the sequencer department since the ES. I loved the Motif Es sequencer. Roland is ok to, but the sequencer is not as good as Korg krome.

[@bobsky3100]

1. Yamaha Modx / 2. Roland FA / 3. Korg Krome

[@RayyMusik]

Agreed. The Krome sounds just cheap. The FA, however, is still a serious competitor. It sounds good, but the MODX sounds more ‘elegant’ or HiFi-like, probably due to its high frequencies. If it only had aftertouch!

[@marike1100]

That's my exact order. The MODX is by far the most expressive (people laughed at the Super knob when Montage was released in they aren't laughing now). And Roland FA is still one of my favorite keyboards. Never liked Krome, but Kronos is excellent.

[@dmncnito]

Yeah but it's unfair if it comes to competition, He should have try the kronos intead, Now, it's all about the personal preference. did you hear the brasses oh the korg versus the Yamaha?

[@RayyMusik]

dmncnito The Kronos is in quite another price range. I don‘t think it would be fair to include it.

[@FredMellink55]

Exactly my order too. Yamaha MODX has best dynamics, sound resolution

[@sciencemansandera]

I'm not an expert i'm a guitarist that had a SY 99 I believe that Yamaha piano is king so correct me if I'm wrong. The Korg seems to have more bright clipped sound But I'm curious which one do people absolutely have to have LOL and where is the best place for me to learn how to play better? I'm still a little basic on my keyboard guitar it's been about 44 years Thanks

[@EliveltonFagundesF]

the sounds of the FA are dry, what happened? it really doesn’t sound like this

[@lucalongoni4766]

All custom sounds programmed for live. Sometimes with less effects then standard preset 👍

[@daviddasan3459]

Greetings from Panama ..... good video, but I see that none of the keyboards have a good sound of brass ..... blessings You are a good musican ....

[@dmncnito]

A little discriminating using a light weight Korg versus weighted in the Yamaha and Roland, we all Know the feeling is different. But they all sound amazing.

[@lucalongoni4766]

I'm not paid by companies, these are simply the keyboards I own.

[@dmncnito]

Luca Longoni I know and understand, my comments are most directed to people comparing them as quality of sound by what we can percibe depending on devices. It’s all about personal taste. To me, Yamaha has the warm feeling, for those who love warm, Korg is more bold, and natural kind of analog, and Roland has a presence! Bright clear and well defined high sounds, ideal for Pop, And Rock, now, the real truth is... I love the three of them!

[@louisthomas8408]

I agree!

[@jordiipi8422]

1-Roland,(Synth leads,Pads,Pianos,Organs,EPs 2-Korg,(Pianos,EPs,Synth Sounds) 3-Yamaha,(FM pianos y muchas lucecitas y pijaditas).

[@demac209]

that's crazy just looked around and i have these 3 keyboards, even though i think the krome is the weakest out of them, I'm going to dump it for a portable organ

[@gangzhi6480]

真没想到MODX音色会比KROME好这么多，KROME这么多年看来确实老了

[@framax67]

Excellent Maestro ! 🙏

[@TechGently]

I like the MODX, sounds deep, I'm slightly opinionated because I'm deaf in on ear and mono seems easier to handle on the Yamaha than my Korg, would like to know what you think about the 3 different mfr's and their customer service/support, forums, tutorials, etc.

[@SparkShredder]

The MODx has killer choirs! Almost real!

[@uleesays]

Great video, man.

[@aaronsmith593]

First off the korg volume is louder, you need to set the volume at the same level as the rest. Not a good comparison.

[@danielbruno2631]

Just bought my fa 08 and soon on my way to krome 88 ❤️🙏🏽

[@jadigistudios]

Which is fantom???

[@synthguy7774]

Instead of buying multiple boards, just get a Kronos and you won't need anything else. But out of budget, I got an fao8 *open box to save money* because the keys feel the nicest, and the onboard sounds and sequencers work in a pinch, and the Integra content via axiom is pretty good. But if I need anything more specific, I'd just plug it into a daw. Even if you don't like the sounds that much, it still makes for an amazing midi controller.

[@lucalongoni4766]

I need multiple keyboards because I use them in different context (Fa08 at home, modx and krome for gigs) 👍 I also like Kronos very much (except for acoustic piano)

[@synthguy7774]

@@lucalongoni4766 good point. It is much easier to have multiple boards in many applications. They're all fantastic boards tbh. I think Roland make some of the nicest feeling keys. I'll say the only gripe I have with the Kronos is the steep learning curve. It'll probably take me a year to start using the Kronos somewhat effectively.

[@lucalongoni4766]

@@synthguy7774 I also like Fa08 keybed! 😜👍

[@gcmproductions3499]

Modx Fa08 Krome Im actually surprised at how the krome is a big drop off compared to the kronos ,normally they keep the same sounds atleast

[@lucalongoni4766]

I think krome has good synth sounds, not so good on acoustic sounds!

[@ranaradic422]

@@lucalongoni4766 I agree. As user of Krome and Modx, I think Modx better at acoustic instrument. And Krome is better at synth, drum and pads I think!

[@RayyMusik]

Well played, signore! 👍

[@renan704]

Nicee video... It's so soft and pleasant to the ear, and the synths and possibilities are great. I have a Kronos 2 but on the strings, Winds and many others I have noticed that the MDOXs are better.

[@VidarW]

Wich one has the best PIANO key action for here?

[@harold12A]

2 years late but FA 08 has best key action. Even Yamaha fans do admit MODX is not as good

[@MACKEYBOARD]

THANKS. CONGRATULATIONS .

[@brokerhc]

Great video and great performing. I have both the MODX and the Korg Krome and I prefer the Krome. I know you can store your sounds in the MODX"s user banks for quick switching but I noticed that you change sounds very quickly in the Krome. Could you please tell us how? Thanks

[@Julionp]

Hey man, would you mind sharing why you prefer krome over modx?

[@gmpedro517]

Faltou marcar no vídeo quem é quem...

[@damienlobb85]

Just goes to show. Having a very large sample memory (Korg) doesn't necessarily create a better result.

[@davidplatt5957]

I always think the Yamaha sounds better.. But not easy for performing live.. The impression I get is the Fa is hands down more intuitive to use...

[@DynamteKid316]

Earned a sub. +like! Thank you!

[@daeone1514]

Krome ain’t getting a fair fight. It’s semi weighted while Mod and FA is weighted. With that weighted action, the piano comes out way better.

[@lucalongoni4766]

Yes of course. It's not a real fight, they are just my actual keyboards! 😉

[@amirprog]

What are the differences between their keybeds? I'm in the process of buying a new 88 keyboard and i need a good, durable, reliable keybed, among other things. Btw, I only know how juno ds88 feels, is the fa08 with the exact same keybed as ds88?

[@taylorhansen9290]

Yes, the DS88 and FA-08 both use Roland's Ivory Feel-G action and I think it's one of the better ones in this price range.

[@TheikeWeyke]

They all sound great its just a matter of taste

[@albianco]

Ciao Luca , sei bravissimo. Potresti per favore dirmi se con la krome, è possibile nel combi modus , splittare la tastiera in diversi suoni Progr. spostando anche le ottave, cosi in modo di avere per esempio, piano, organ, brass ecc.... in diverse zone???.?

[@lucalongoni4766]

Ti ringrazio. Sì è possibile, krome è molto versatile da quel punto di vista!

[@albianco]

@@lucalongoni4766 grazie, ora posso comprarla. Sei un grande. Ciao

[@Soulzard]

How can I have three of these machines at the same time too? c(:

[@lucalongoni4766]

Multiple setup

[@jejhoje3983]

Can Korg Krome be used as a midi controller? and connect it to a mac?

[@lucalongoni4766]

Yes!

[@jejhoje3983]

@@lucalongoni4766 Thank you...and it works with Pro Tools?

[@lucalongoni4766]

@@jejhoje3983 yes

[@SriharshaaPrabhakar]

The Korg Krome Piano Sounds Awesome

[@markdarnell614]

The Roland FA-08 lacks presence and punch. I should know...I own one! got it NEW for under a $1000. I'm still learning my way around it, but the owner's manual is really awful. The Yamaha sounds really full, and articulate! The Korg sounds good, but a bit bright for my taste. I also have a KORG M-50 that I hoped tp replace with the FA-08, as the KORG weight 20lbs more, but I played it yesterday, and I was stunned by how rich it sounded - especially Strings! I'll give the Roland some more time, and hopefully - it will prove to be worthy!

[@lucalongoni4766]

I use Yamaha modx live and Roland fa in my studio. I like very much Roland keybed and acoustic piano sound!

[@osayemwenrejeremiahemmanue8227]

Hello, thanks for the video. Please, can you share how you set-up your MODX mine in my church sound awful just like it's off tune or something? I use either phone out or right Mono out to connect to the mixer.

[@looneyburgmusic]

As far as pianos, the Yamaha and Korg are basiclly tied, (thanks to the Krome sharing the Kronos piano samples)... For everything else, the MODX beats out both the Krome and FA, thanks to it's several generations newer engine. That all said, it really doesn't matter - all 3 of these synths are "mid-range" boards, so soundwise they will never match up with the "Flagship" synths, (Kronos, Montage, ect.), but any one of them is more than good enough for the "average" player...

[@briez1]

The MODX has the exact same sound engine as the Yamaha Flagship Montage. Meaning it sounds exactly the same. So yes It does match up strictly sound speaking. It has exactly the same presets and sounds.

[@looneyburgmusic]

@@briez1 Yes, but lots of people also complain about build quality and the keybeds on the mid-range and top of the line models so. Have to take it all into account.

[@looneyburgmusic]

@@briez1 And those assumed negatives often translate into their brains telling them that something sounds "different" than what it actually does. Years back that happened with the Korg Krome - I had conversations with a bunch of people who were positive the 88-key, with it's full hammer-action piano style keybed sounded better than the 61/73 key models, even though they were all the exact same keyboard internally.

[@briez1]

Montage certainly has more controllers and stuff. Haven't tried the Keybed. I recently bought the MODX8 and am impressed with all it can do! Haven't tried any of the other ones. But it is cool you get Yamaha flagship sounds for less than half the price of the Yamaha flagship synth!

[@looneyburgmusic]

@@briez1 You aren't wrong though that the Montage/MODX share the same engine, but synth-players are a weird animal. I've noticed the same with the Roland D-05 Boutique and the D-50, tons of people saying the full D-50 sounds "better", even though both are the exact same synth, just in different forms. Guess appearance does matter after all, just not how it should...

[@TheRaphwolf]

I think the korg krome is not the match up for these other keys