Yamaha R-N803 Firmware Update Gong Show

[@chezsnailez]

Dang... we're just old enough to remember TVs you had to wait for the tubes to warm up. Now that we're all modern and up-to-date... we hafta wait for the TV to boot up and download another packet of software/firmware updates...

[@dm95422]

Glad I have the Yamaha R-S300 model. No USB sticks, no uploads needed, just an old school, great sounding receiver.

[@FoulOwl2112]

Don't see myself needing this any time at the present. But l will definitely file this away in my mental rolodex bag o tricks. Never know when a similar situation might present itself. Thanx

[@johnhanselman6371]

Good to see that Dave is always calm and cool headed. My history of updating firmware made me a madman. Never a funtime. Always aggravating. * As a rule when feasible for download, I recommend not updating firmware over the internet for more success. And always cross your fingers for luck.

[@Sans_Solo_]

Damn you just installed the nuclear codes onto this machine!

[@SacreDro]

Any idea on the Yamaha R-S700? I have no bass and the sound is thin and a little metally...

[@Barbarapape]

Strange that it would not update when connected to the internet, this makes me think that the update has been badly compiled leaving a folder that stopped the update from starting. Not everyone has the knowledge to check the update after it has been unziped for rouge folders. A classic case of technology that is not user friendly.

[@pederb82]

The folder is there to make sure you read the user manual for the firmware update provided on the page you downloaded the file from.

[@Oldgamingfart]

I had one device that was extremely picky and wouldn't accept any of the USB sticks I had to hand, regardless of size, nor how they were formatted. After much hair-pulling, I had to get a little creative! The very last device I had left to try was a DSC from 2004, so I loaded the update file onto the camera's internal memory (like you do!), connected it, and set it to file transfer mode. Well, wouldn't you know it! 🤯

[@northcanterburylogging3039]

I had a similar problem on a RX-A830. I ended using an older USB stick after reading an article about it. Apparently it was a known issue with some usb sticks. My other reciever completely failed and now says DSP failure. From what I understand it's either a memory failure or a classic DSP BGA my need re-flowing. They started failing just after warranty as usual. Boards are conveniently no longer available. Don't think I'd ever bother with Yamaha again to be honest.

[@zx8401ztv]

Well done, i was thinking the pen needed to be zeroed and formatted in the simple fat 16 file system using dos. (no extra crap like windows writes without asking). Pc bios updates have been a pig at times, they dont state the exact format.

[@RectifiedMetals]

Network updates? What are those? Seems to navigate to a closed portal after warranties are gone. USB seems to be the way to go for almost anything in my experience. Yes better to format the stick before copying firmware. Windows, winzip, or even 7zip adds folders, so files, whatever the extension the target device is looking for needs to be on the root of the USB. We could go back to rs232, which I would prefer, but I’m old.

[@brunonatura]

This is the last firmware update 3.0 ? This version has over 2 years. Any new firmware yet.

[@12voltvids]

I wouldn't know. This is not my unit. They typically only release updates to correct defects that are discovered while the unit is in production. Once production ends and the warranty of the last to roll off the line expires they stop support. If some other manufacture introduces an incomparable device they usually will not fix it and blame the other company.

[@eliseoros1874]

Hi , can I put 4 germanium transistors on a philips 594 40w per chanel ? Thanks

[@Giblet535]

For future reference, this is how ALL USB firmware updates work: a .BIN file alone in the top level folder. And, all Windows "unzip" utilities always do the wrong thing (unzipping to a folder) for updating purposes. It has been this way since MSDOS 3.0 days. Updating your PC's BIOS works this way. Updating your car's head unit works this way. Updating receivers works this way. The process is very clearly documented on every vendor's web site.

[@12voltvids]

I didn't look at the files on the USB stick supplied by the owner that had tried to do it. Once I looked at the USB stick i found files on it that were write protected so a fresh format changing from fat33 to fat16 nuked those. Unzip and if course the unzip program puts the sub folder in that needs deleting.

[@EastAngliaUK]

my Yamaha 7.2 did this its been fine since glad it updated fine.

[@GerardPinzone]

This is mostly a tip for older devices, but try formatting the memory stick as FAT32 instead of ExFAT. Unless it's a 2GB memory stick, you'll need a third party utility to do it.

[@Watcher3223]

That's a good tip. There are many devices that don't work too well with USB drives that aren't formatted FAT32, USB drives that are too large, etc. The PlayStation 3 is a good example: not compatible with ExFAT. The USB drive must be formatted FAT32.

[@dlarge6502]

I never use ExFAT ;)

[@spacewolfjr]

I think exFAT support on open-source / embedded devices is relatively new. Pretty much everything supports FAT because it's so simple.

[@jeffclark5206]

the general rules are the flash drive must be fat32 formatted and below 8GB in size and the update file be extracted from the zip into the root. Thats all I can think of.

[@12voltvids]

It was fat32. I formatted it to fat16 and it worked.

[@jeffclark5206]

@@12voltvids good lord thats terrible lol

[@speed_rider362]

@@12voltvids Yeah, that could happen. For fat32 you need a special module in firmware to support it. And if due to space limitations of the ROM chip this module is not present, you can update it only using fat16. Fat16 is supported out of the box on almost every machine. When I am updating any consumer electronics, I always use a separate UPS battery system. This way the power cannot go out.

[@paulb4uk]

i still have my old yamaha amp from 1979 from the days when things just worked .My 1988 onkyo tx 810 amplifier receiver still in every day use a lot of these modern units seem to be more hassle and less reliable .

[@marcelpopescu3339]

Hi there, Could anyone tell me the power consumption of this amp at moderate output (let's say the volume at 11 o'clock). Huge thanks in advance!

[@technixbul]

When i update firmware, I too wonder if power fail, what will I do, and then i think - I need to buy UPS, and that is every time, i forgot to buy one until next time i needed it :D

[@dash8brj]

I had the same issue with an MSI motherboard - it would NOT flash unless the stick was empty apart from the single rom file.

[@spacewolfjr]

I've run into issues where I needed to update the next firmware (version 1.08 -> 1.09 instead of 1.08 -> 1.21 for example) instead of the latest

[@kerrylittle3900]

Is there a way to reset back to factory defaults? I want to get rid of my YPAO setting and can’t figure it out because my mic refuses to work. I keep getting the error 124 whatever that is.

[@12voltvids]

Its called Google. It knows everything. Give it a try. 😁

[@kerrylittle3900]

@@12voltvids how do you think I found the video ? I don’t know what error 124 is. Google doesn’t know either

[@12voltvids]

Have no idea. That's why I wash my hands of all those modern av receivers. Usually you hold a combination of keys while powering up. Try searching the for the service manual.

[@kerrylittle3900]

@@12voltvids I finally did find it. Thanks though. I appreciate the reply

[@jaceknasalski1422]

There is no way to update my SONY STR-DN1080 AV receiver via Wi-Fi network - it always fails. I have to use USB stick. It can be FAT32 or can contain other files but all 4 update files must be in "UPDATE" folder. And I have no problems with updating my SONY TV set or BR player via Wi-Fi.

[@anuven4]

Great 👍 just I did mine successfully

[@VoltageGoat]

Mine unzipped the folder to the USB. I think you or the guy then copied it from the folder to the root so that it had both. It depends on what software you use in order to determine the outcome. Winzip, 7z, winrar all act differently.

[@12voltvids]

When I got the thumb drive it had the file and a folder in the root as well as the readyboost crap that windows puts on it. I formatted and unzipped with 7zip and it put the folder in and the file in the root, so folder deleted.

[@VoltageGoat]

@@12voltvids I agree with you. Just confirming, kinda. Windows default extractor and winzip will unzip just the file (no folder) to where you want it. 7z and winrar will by default extract to a folder. Just under the download link was the install manual. step 1 - format a usb thumbdrive and make sure it is blank. last step says to just copy the file to the usb. :) Basically, I think your friend extracted to a folder and then copied the file from the folder to the root which is why there was two copies. Or, he extracted to a folder and then you extracted directly to the root again which would have made the file twice. In any case, good job in getting it done. I have no idea why the network try failed.

[@12voltvids]

@@VoltageGoat the system integrator guy had someone else also try. Supplied me the USB stick. When it wouldn't work i formatted the drive. It had 2 other files that would not delete but 7 zip did throw a folder onto the thumb drive which i deleted before starting the upload.

[@VoltageGoat]

@@12voltvids I agree. Well done and good work - as always. Thumbs up.

[@technixbul]

Its not Windows fault, you just need to set up options on archiver program, they all have the same options and do the same thing, you wont loose extra weight if you do extra move to check options.

[@robinsd4]

I have the exact same receiver and it automatically updates over the wifi. I never had any problem.

[@12voltvids]

Well it is supposed to update over wi-fi but it wouldn't at the customer's house, so the system integrator guy took it to his house and tried to update it at his house and it also failed. He then went on the internet and got the update file and put it on USB stick and had the instructions printed out on how to do it and it failed. He called me I tried to walk him through it over the phone and he couldn't get it to work. He brought it to me I tried to update from the stick that he brought me and it would not update, I plugged it into my ethernet connection and it would not update. I then went and downloaded a new copy, reformatted the USB stick in fat 16 and loaded the new file onto the USB stick. When it extracted I found a folder in the route along with the bin file. I deleted that folder and everything worked. A few people have been critical but I did not check the USB stick before attempting to update because my system integrator guy that I know and incidentally I work with him for 20 years at the shop, told me that the files were correct and he had contacted one of the other guys that I worked with at the shop before contacting me.

[@crash7098]

How do you find the machine overall?

[@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777]

yes man good choice to go download it yourself.

[@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777]

annoying device. Not into wireless audio at all.. It says in the specs it can play digital files @24/196 - but is that direct input or is that only through wifi? curious - as if it was wifi the standard would drop dramatically like bluetooth . Or does it have some cable that connects to the player like Ipod ect? Heard you say it connects to Ethernet..does that mean it can access .wav files ect ?

[@12voltvids]

It had Ethernet and wifi. I am sure it can play from network drive. Too modern for my setup. My old Onkyo had streaming crap built in but that receiver packed it in and I put in an older Onkyo in with none of the streaming stuff. I don't stream anything but free stuff on TuneIn and I use those arlyc preamps I have reviewed in the past for this.

[@spinvalve]

I own this exact same network player and I stream mp3 and FLAC from my Synology NAS via SMB. It's quite the all-in-one for me and it's my daily driver for my net radio, TV box and for my wife, her classical CDs via Aux in

[@12voltvids]

@@spinvalve if i were to go buy something new it would be a Yamaha.

[@markrowe8824]

just wondering why updating via network/WiFi didn't work but USB did 🤔🤔

[@12voltvids]

Have no idea why network update didn't work.

[@Shadepariah]

sometimes even having a flash drive that's too large will screw it up too...

[@RectifiedMetals]

Almost all need to be fat32 or before file system. You can format any usb to fat32 with the right format software.

[@stefanmarinescu5086]

Interesting and unexpected

[@SantaClaw]

On my denon, I just click internet update... 30x easier. Pro tip, have stuff connected to an UPS when updating the firmware... and you won't have the power going out affecting the update.

[@gorak9000]

typically things these days don't have that problem anymore. Most things that use modern practices will have 3 images on them, a dedicated bootloader / firmware update image that all it does is perform firmware updates, and it itself is not updated, a primary firmware image, and a backup firmware image. All the images have CRC checksums and they are verified before an attempt is made to boot from that image. Almost everything uses u-boot these days for the lowest level bootloader and firmware updating, and not the "roll-your-own-from-scratch" haphazard way they used to do it. Even if the power goes out in the middle of an update, u-boot will detect the image is bad (CRC doesn't match), and it will either boot the backup image, or prompt you to do the update again. Flash is so dirt cheap these days, there's no reason not to structure firmware in this manor, not to mention of how many returns and replacements it saves the company.

[@zohaibsiddiquee]

My Sony hcd vr90 system audio processor not turning on

[@simtitan1]

I miss the days when computers weren't shoved into every possible device. Just one more thing to go wrong.

[@m80116]

My mind is saying: no, NO... NO!! This is WRONG under so many sides... I am falling into a nightmare where my passive 8 Ohm speakers refuse the play because they aren't updated with the latest firmware... cassette deck refusing the play with error on the VFD "incompatible tape detected", the receiver section displaying "please renew your subscription TODAY to continue enjoying your favorite radio stations"... please give me a PINCH!

[@MikeDS49]

Wait until you hear about Ford wanting a subscription service to use your heated seats.

[@dlarge6502]

Just don't buy Sonos and you will be fine

[@peterc2373]

Or just read the instructions yamaha gives you.... simple as that !

[@12voltvids]

Well I did but there were hidden files on the USB that was received and they did not go away till i reformatted and changed from fat33 to fat16. That still doesn't explain why the network update failed.

[@ladamurni]

An Amplifier that you need to update?? Sorry I can not and will not deal with that sort of stuff. That goes a few steps to far in my opinion. Give me the stuff that doesn't need that and just works no matter what. Call me old-fashioned but at least it always worked.

[@12voltvids]

Well people want spotafly, and sexm and every other streaming service

[@ladamurni]

@@12voltvids Ok I see. Thank you!