Did we OVERLOOK the Honda CBR650R? (Yamaha R7 Comparison)

[@yammienoob]

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[@shady5923]

If it was any other motorcycle brand instead of Yamaha Yammie would have made a video on why the R7 sucks.

[@TrashedRedPanda]

@Yammie Noob Finally!!!!! That being said I have a 14 cbr650f. So before they changed the name to the 650r and redid the front half of the bike and added the Showa big piston front forks. 14-18 had Showa bending fork or whatever they called them. Once i get comfortable I will get a video of her up in the mountains or at the track.

[@kakashi_hatake_69]

Hey noob how tall are you?

[@mehaltandel7608]

I think r7 have comper with cbr 600 rr

[@stanmarsh2499]

Why not review the cb1000r?

[@YokoshimaHake]

I have owned quite a few middleweight bikes such as the Ninja 650, MT-07 and the CBR650R and I must say, the CBR650R is in a class of its own. The high revving smooth engine feels a lot more premium and is significantly more powerful than the usual twins in this class. The dofference is night and day. However, the thing I really emjoyed about the Honda was this premium, upmarlet feeling it gives you. It just feels so well built. The seat is of a high quality material with nice red stitching, paint is all high quality etc. The other middles feel like a toy in comparsion, it's a bit like going from a Mustang to a Mercedes. Although the CBR is quite comfy oriented (more similar to the ninja 650), you can still tuck in and knee drag it if you want, as that extra weight does offer a huge amount of stability and precise handling. I never rode an RS660 though, so I can't comment on that, but I would still take the CBR over all the other middles just for the performance and upmarket build quality alone.

[@musicmaestro88]

Facts... at speed the extra weight is a feature and offers a master class in high-speed stability.

[@tomasjanostak789]

As someone who has a 650r i absolutely love it!! Extremely overlooked dont see many people talk about it. Everyone thinks ninja when they hear 650. This is by far the best 650 imo. The inline 4 is solid and its fun to ring it out but will still keep up with the bigger bikes

[@H31MU7]

one thing i love about the 650R is how solid it feels to ride. 22:00 is just the cherry on top

[@carlmayer691]

Cannot beat a Honda I4.....change the sprockets -1 tooth up front, +3. 4T...you like to go at least +6, +7 overall. Going -1 down up front on the countershaft sprocket equals going about + 3 Teeth at the rear. Probably could do it w/o even buying a new chain. Once you change sprockets, you'll be a giddy little happy shit every time you go WOT !!!

[@n300zx931]

I think 650 is a good upper end starter class. Suzuki SV650 is another great bike

[@lrrgreen3]

@@carlmayer691 I’m looking to do this to my bike . Have you done it ? Ride much better?

[@cpteyesight]

IMO, biggest issue is pricing. You can get a gsxs750, mt09 or z900 for the price of a cbr650r. Each of these bike is a different flavor of better. If you compare to the faired 650 only and ignore pricing the cbr is a lot nicer than the ninja, but the r7 seems like it would be more fun to commute on.

[@NoRegretSUN]

I owned the 2019 CBR650R in black matte, paired it with the sc project full exhaust. A wonderful bike, its not a supersport but a super "sport" bike. Perfect balance between power/torque for everyday riding.

[@aatreyapethe]

The black cbr is beautiful 😍

[@garythecarwashkid]

Those CBR650R are one of the most beautiful bikes currently available, I LOVE the visible manifold up front also. That along with that red paint job. For here in Ireland you really don't need any bigger of a bike

[@cryptoknight3009]

Same here for Mizoram, its Just the perfect power for our roads

[@__Razer]

I didn't notice the manifold peek until you mentioned it... lewd.

[@LunringNassar]

Nah CBR650F is the better looking, the the 650R just looks odd, especially the ass, literally from the CB650R and they didnt even bother hiding it.

[@NukeFinity]

Even here in Germany you don't need a bigger bike

[@LunringNassar]

If you compare it to the CBR650F, this R one just looks terrible, especially the rear cowl.

[@itsjax4004]

Feel like spite reeeealy wanted to race that GTR! He got into that lane so quick!

[@knshobhin560]

Honda Yamaha Nissan that's proper JDM squid

[@pneulancer]

Oh yeah! .... maybe he should get a Gixxer 😁

[@i_cant_hear_a_word_you_say]

My buddy noted it....👍

[@iminthahood-w1324]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@Panzil]

it's got that boost logic sticker so noooo wayyy

[@alexturnqest6202]

I like how they just pleasantly ignored the GTR just low key eyeballing them for like 3mins of the video straight.😂

[@christophergarcia3069]

Fr bro

[@VolatileLiving]

Thought I was the only one fangirling over the car lmao

[@jayzenholmex4613]

Same thoughts they’re just casually going along not a word

[@richpryor9650]

It's a GTR in 2021, who actually cares? It's the Altima of sports cars.

[@alexturnqest6202]

@@richpryor9650 I mean it’s still a gtr it’s almost like downplaying a lambo just because it’s a cheaper model compared to a million dollar countach. Like yeah the million dollar car is more hype but the gallardo still is a pretty cool and legit car at the end of the day. Idk just being a car person and not mentioning a rare-ish supercar car that’s right in front of you is kinda weird but maybe that’s just me. Plus I think the vette is more the Altima of the supercar world bc everybody and they’re mom owns one. I don’t see gtr’s as often as much if ever and I live In southern FL.

[@RipeStories]

Should never even mention exhaust sounds when one bike has a full system and the other is on stock. Any full decat non restricted systems on the cbr650r makes the r7 sound like a child's toy.

[@SandeepSingh-vl7fr]

🤣🤣🤣 thats true bro

[@Dapahk5]

Facts

[@xinyuxue868]

The CBR650R is underrated for 650 class. It's a perfect commute bike on HW or city, it's also a great machine you can take to chase the canyon! I learned SO MUCH on it as my 1st beginner bike! Late down the road I moded my bike pushing 90hp at wheel, then took it to the track and sure it did not disappoint me at all. The only downside of this bike is that it came out right before COVID hit, so most accessories factory were shut down due to the lockdown. There aren't a lot of after market parts for this specific bike yet...

[@mistahozzy]

Is it safe for a beginner

[@xinyuxue868]

@@mistahozzy I started on 650. I had no prior motorcycle experience. I am 6 foot and around 200 lb. The bike taught me everything I needed to learn. Took it to the track and expanded from there. In my opinion, it was my best starting bike. It was better than ninja 650 bc of it's seating position is more aggressive.

[@concrete182]

Out of interest, what bike did you get after the CBR650R?

[@richpryor9650]

What do you mean? The 650R came out in 2014

[@xinyuxue868]

@@richpryor9650 oh my bad, u are right

[@yagada8635]

As a 650R owner, I would def say that gettin a full exhaust sys and a tune really wakes the bike up. Gets better mid-range power and even better at high rpms

[@MissMan666]

sounds good, im a CB650R owner and looking into getting the full akra and and the ECU tuned it for it, but pricey tho. Can you tell me about the improvements vs stock map ? I do feel the throttle is a bit ON/OFF, although not as bad as other bikes, but still no where near as smooth as my old CB500 etc.

[@efeaster3680]

Exactly

[@davidbernardino7657]

Should I do a tune in mine bro? I have a 22 cbr and I really wanna put a exhaust on it. But I don't know if I should tune it, does it make really any difference?

[@Dan_B_Rides]

I would pick the CBR650R every day. It’s a better looking, faster, more comfortable bike. Just my thing. I love it as much as Spite’s t-shirt. Where did he get it?

[@pookiewookie7679]

Exactly. The Honda looks great. The Yamaha looks like a cheap Chinese plastic toy

[@Mr_N0_0ne]

I would disagree I think the Yamaha looks way better and all the Hondas like just look the same I feel like but for the price and comfort I would consider the Honda plus it's faster

[@randomvideos21015]

I have the r7 and it’s an amazing bike!! It looks so good and aggressive!! It has plenty of power and torque to have fun on the street!!

[@Nick-hp2ul]

@@randomvideos21015 how uncomfortable is it bro for daily ride

[@grumpy8077]

@@Mr_N0_0ne what do you mean they look the same? All the yamaha‘s look almost identical. Most people who just started getting into bikes would not see the difference between the r6-r7 and the r1

[@greypolar2720]

It sounds like the R7 has the wrong gearing and powerband for the track and the wrong ergonomics for the street. I'd take the Honda.

[@doingsomething5084]

As a short rider, the thing i like the most about the cbr is how comfortable the dang thing is. It gives me alot of confidence on the road.

[@bertramallen5255]

How tall are you

[@doingsomething5084]

@@bertramallen5255 im 5 foot 4 inches

[@anishkrishnan3979]

@@doingsomething5084 Do you issues flat footing the bike ?

[@FudgeMonkeySmurf]

If you wanna ride a CBR650R like a hooligan, you can; all you need to do is scream it out to the red line in every gear and don't let it drop below 6000-7000 revs. Its that easy and a lot of fun (which is not what happens in most of your videos) with the added bonus of that screaming inline 4 cylinder engine noise. I've ridden the RS660 and I learnt to ride on an MT07 and they are great bikes that just make there power in a different way and require a different (some might say lazy 🤔) riding style.

[@pneulancer]

As a Honda Fanboy, and owner; this was a relatively objective and fair comparison. I would still take the CBR 600RR or 650R over the R7 but they're all awesome machines. Well Done!

[@cjjorge6636]

yep 600cc all day

[@LunringNassar]

CB600F/CBR600F is the best choice in between.

[@j-roy563]

Bought the 2022 cbr650r about 4 weeks ago. Absolutely love it. I’m 6,1 and about 230 pound. It is perfect. I keep up with the bigger bikes and feels great on the highway, twisties and everyday commute. Highly recommend for anyone

[@weirdrider420]

enjoyed bro 5.410km on my 2021 and i fully agree with u just bought my tracksuit and weekend rides feels sweet now

[@ryseworld]

just got the 2023 last week! first time ever riding haven't ridden it yet though..

[@rileylofin7653]

@@ryseworld how is it looking to get one as my first either cbr650r or rs660 or r7

[@ryseworld]

@@rileylofin7653 after a year of ownership, and over 9,000 miles ridden, one metal plate in my forearm, and a many miles and hours of research and interactions i will never give up my 650r EVER lol. Its more comfortable than the other 2 and has a higher top out. For the riding i do its perfect. Light, fast, agile and aggressive. Go with the honda, all day!

[@rileylofin7653]

@@ryseworld how bad is the weight is it a concern looking for my first bike and really want the cbr650r

[@CaffeineFreak13]

One of the newer bikes that honda got right was the cbr650f back when it debuted, but it wasnt sporty enough for many so when honda replaced the 650f with the 650r they hit a bullseye all around by keeping the inline4, slightly dropping the grip height, and giving it that aggressive "CBR" look and feel. It does weigh quite a bit but when your on the highway or fighting wind, it actually helps. VFRs are too heavy for the amount of ponies they have (i dont count that 1200) but the cbr650r was spot on for a wide range of riders.. that r7 is like the bike you get when you want to begin riding at a track but dont want to ride a 300, its not really a "do-it-all" bike

[@BlueDevilMoto]

FINALLY THE VIDEO I'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR!! Not enough people talk about the 2019+ 650r, it's a wonderful bike for what it was made to be.

[@rickyallenYT]

I’ve been watching YammieNoob videos for years and you are one of my biggest inspirations! I’m 22 now and have been fortunate enough to have ridden so many different bikes and met so many great people, so thank you Yammie! In Oct this year I was t-boned by a distracted driver while on my FZ8. I plan on riding again asap once I’m recovered. Your motovlogs are helping me stay strong right now, reminding me what I have to look forward to. I even started motovlogging myself before the accident and can’t wait to make new videos when I can afford a new bike. I wish I had an entry in for that R7 cause I would love to have a Yamaha waiting for me.

[@siraff4461]

For anyone who still doesn't understand you don't feel torque or horsepower. You feel thrust at the wheel vs weight. That thrust is going to depend on how much hp its making vs gearing. Yes where it makes that thrust is dependant on the torque curve but if its geared to suit thats not a factor. Example you have two bikes of the same weight with a similar torque curve. One revs to 5000rpm and makes 100lb of torque, 50hp with gearing to hit the redline at 50mph. The other revs to 10,000rpm, makes 50lb and 50hp but is still geared for 50mph at redline. The second bike will be at twice the rpm but will have exactly the same feel to the rider. When they say they are missing or feeling the torque what they really mean is where that torque is. This is also why doing top gear roll ons doesn't mean anything. If one bike is only geared for 120mph and the other for 150mph the slower bike will look better than it really is simply because of the gearing difference.

[@jeffjohnon4223]

The Honda does what they like to do,which is make their machine more friendly to more people,more dual purpose,this thing seems to me like a great upright naked bike with a fairing,and the ability to get with the program when you are so inclined,I would agree that it needs some lower gears and that would be a whole new animal.

[@Remymoto]

I was about to make the same comment Spite did about the gearing. Take advantage of the higher RPM situation to get more practical torque. Sure, you'll have a screaming engine, but plenty of folks like that and won't see it as a negative. It's not like people who ride these really need the potential top speed that would be traded away. If you plan to be going that fast you'd probably buy something else anyway.

[@pedrovilelo9372]

Great vid, also Honda told that they built this bike heavier than the rest to be steadier. Even tho it is a “sport” bike and has cbr in its name its principal aim is the daily use on street

[@jgad2109]

I own a 2018 cb650f, unless I am totally wrong the engines are the same in a different bike package, Akrapovic full system, KN filter, PCV programmer and down 1 tooth on the front sprocket. Bike is stupid fun in this configuration with plenty of power and the exhaust note is gorgeous.

[@llillian4055]

I actually really appreciated this video not just for the detail such as comparison by two riders of different heights, but for the well made distinction between who each bike would be for. Nice work chaps!

[@datglasstho]

As a new rider on an 05 FZ6 there are a lot of similarities to the CBR650R, partial fairing, inline 4 that's not as powerful as a 600SS, upright riding position, and at the upper limits of something justifiable for a beginner.

[@Tariqslo]

As a everyday commute bike the CBR650R wins hands down, with traction control and ABS, etc. and a perfect beginner's bike. The R7 is too edgy in my opinion

[@azo3815]

I was really waiting for this video, thanks yammie for doing this!

[@cipher2508]

FINALLY...My predictions were 90% correct on this...Thanx for awesome vid boys

[@ty8012]

"It'll last 100,000 miles or basically until the death of the universe" 😂😂😂

[@bmddlton]

As a Honda fan boy, I had (and traded it in) a 2020 CB650R that was as smooth as my 2021 Goldwing DCT. It’s an amazing bike.

[@Champion2Manager]

Despite all the critics, the Yamaha R7 would be a better inexpensive purchase, but since it’s so underpowered Honda is the smart choice for specific type of riders. A twin should never be on top of a four cylinder in terms of power,sounds and performance,unless your name is KTM or Ducati. That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if the R7 would be the crowd’s favorite over the heavy and costly Honda lol 😆

[@kkmaxg8543]

I agree with lot of stuff Yammie and Spite were saying about CBR as a CBR owner. However, that does not mean that you will be the slowest guy on the canyon road though. It is a heavy bike for its class but once you get up to speed, it leans pretty well and corners wonderfully. I've ridden RS660 so I agree that it does a lot of stuff better but at the same time I'm pretty confident that I can keep up with either R7 or RS660 on the canyon road with no issue. Just keep your RPM above 7k, look ahead, try not to focus on the rider in front of you too much and follow your line. Oh and understand the fact that it is not a super sport. I usually turn TC off when I ride on twisty road because it is a bit intrusive than I like but it comes back online if the bike detects a lot of slip at the rear wheel. I found out about that on my last ride lol. It is a pretty sweet bike for the street and also capable of chasing a lot of faster bike if you are skilled enough. I'm thinking about taking my CBR to the track soon, just to see how it does against better bikes.

[@richardfarabaugh7604]

There’s a lot to be said for comfy cruising. I’d really be interested in the Honda I do believe.

[@Sikkasfoo]

I have a 2023 Honda CBR 650R and i cant stop riding it i be taking the long routes just to enjoy more and more of it cant go wrong with this motorcycle such amazing engineering they developed with this motorcycle 😎😁

[@Geshmaal]

I think even if you pulled out a clapped CBR600F4i it would be a solid contender Vs the R7 or CBR650R. It's in between those two in terms of weight, has much more power and similar torque and top tier build quality, the ability to actually carry some luggage/a passenger and a centre stand for easy chain maintenance.

[@TydraGaming]

Would love to see that! Or even an early 98-02 zx6r!

[@carlmayer691]

There is NO COMPARO between the CBR and R7.....The R7 is a Yamaha blue-light parts bin special ....a shite parallel twin, and the CBR is NOT !!! So what if it wheelies, my 500 single wheelies too. The Honda is the superior road going sport bike...want more pep, change the sprockets. But then again, for about $5-6K LESS, buy a nice low miles USED Daytona 955....

[@justinpapin6397]

@@carlmayer691 What's wrong with twins? They can make good street performance for a far, far lower cost of production compared to a 4 cyl. In most cases, there's just no need to use a more expensive 4 cylinder to hit the hp/torque target for a street bike

[@cpteyesight]

@@justinpapin6397 I'm not a fan of the cbr650r myself, but 650 parallel twins are just anemic. They have a linear powerband that dies down quick and vibrates. I'd take the sv650 over the cbr650r or R7 if I was forced to pick a 650, but I'd rather get a 750-900 triple/i4 in that price range.

[@joshwebb8871]

CBR650R vs. CBR600F4i vs. ZX6E vs. YZF600 would be a VERY interesting comparo imo, seeing as it seems they all fit a very similar design brief.

[@kattlikzm]

Had the mt07 as my first bike ( which is basically the same as r7 in many ways) Testdrove the cb650r just for fun. After 5 secs i was sold! The 4cyl is amazing in every single way! Also the build quality seems to be way better! Just bought myself a cbr650r. Can’t wait for the snow to melt!!

[@Dave-qq4lh]

Hey mate, torn between both of these bikes atm. Would you say you miss the torque on the mt?

[@kattlikzm]

@@Dave-qq4lh i do yes. But overall you won’t notice the difference imo. As i’ve told my mates: the mt is like a turbodiesel with alot of torque on lower rpm, but you need to gear much often. The cb/cbr is like a petrol engine. You need to rev it up. For me it was the build quality and over all the «looks and feel» that made me buy the cbr.

[@Dave-qq4lh]

@@kattlikzm Thanks for the info. Weird question but do you think owning both would be a bit overkill, or would be a fun experience?

[@kattlikzm]

@@Dave-qq4lh thats up to you and your wallet🤣

[@ollihook]

I have mt07 as first bike, going to change to 650r or rs660

[@Flooozeee]

The R9 will be the Yamaha to get, with the horsepower of the R6 but with more torque it will settle nicely between the R7 and the R1.

[@Flooozeee]

@@peterdj4573 I'm getting excited for it knowing damn well I'm likely not buying another bike lol. Hopefully you'll have your R9 soon 👍.

[@monty-9269]

I agree I have mt09 so much character out of a triple cylinder engine

[@Taitea_____]

@@Flooozeee bless this great dude

[@Motoboo_Marine]

@@peterdj4573 I don't really blame them. I mean they didn't even trademark the name until early this year so they're probably not that far in the development process

[@ronaldk.wileyjr.5476]

Its cool but you both know riding skills are going to make more of the difference between these 2 bikes than anything. A fast guy will be fast on either of the 2. For the beginner, honda is perfect. Mostly because new riders arent even sure they like track days enough to get a more focused R7.

[@joseph9556]

As a cb650r owner, this is the only video I've been looking forward to

[@tomasjanostak789]

Were so overlooked. They are absolutely amazing bikes.

[@joseph9556]

@@tomasjanostak789 the build quality and looks definitely worth the price tag

[@TheLentastic]

Do you have an exhaust on yours? I think they are too expensive because there are only full systems.

[@joseph9556]

@@TheLentastic I have an akra + engine filter and flashed. Definitely changes the personality of the bike

[@rickandersonjr9150]

Honda usually hits the mark. I hope all you guys love it. It wd be my choice over a more high strung purebred like r6. Comfortable and beautiful. Plenty of fun. Enjoy & stay safe!

[@emoservedwithfries]

I would do another video with the CBR650R on the track against an R7 comparison. I bet you, with the torque band on the CBR, the CBR would edge out the compition. Ofc, using racing tires, not the stock ones. The CBR seems to have a low barrier to entry but high skill ceiling. The R7 seems to have a high barrier of entry but a lower ceiling of mastery.

[@kleinbottled79]

Yeah for only $600 more it's hard to ignore the CBR650R vs R7. (Or the ZX6R, which makes both bikes look overpriced)

[@thomassarigiannis]

and costs around 12.490. Yea right..

[@mrtree1368]

U can't really compare these bikes to a 636. The 636 is the fast 600 size bike and the 650s are the slow 600 size bike

[@kleinbottled79]

@@thomassarigiannis Current MSRP for ZX6R is $10,199.

[@kleinbottled79]

@@mrtree1368 We CAN compare what equipment we are getting for similar money; and can therefore guess with fair certainty that Yamaha makes more money per R7 sold than per MT07. That Honda makes more money per CBR650R sold than Kawi does per ZX6R. (In the US at MSRP pricing) As for who is actually cross shopping what, I agree with you they are very different bikes and don't exactly compare.

[@Stratocasterhead51]

In terms of value for money, the kawasaki blows all these bikes out of the water (including the rs660) For barely 1k more than the R7 you get an aluminium frame, premium brakes, premium suspension, and TWICE the power. Seriously, a 636 makes any of these bikes feel like a 300.

[@TheBigdutchster]

I'd take a 4-cylinder over a 2-cylinder any day of the week, and I have a single, a twin, and a 4, so I have some experience. The Aprillia can be problematic from a dealer/service/parts standpoint. YMMV.

[@gavin3810]

Yeah me too it's werid though that the mt 07 engine has come out on top for reliability if I remember correctly from fortnines T7 video

[@mrtree1368]

When it comes to valve adjustment and the cost of the job I can see less cylinders possible being a plus

[@villeupmal7570]

I did my A-license on a Honda CB650R, never rode anything bigger than a 50cc 25 years earlier. It was pretty fun, only bad thing was the turning radius and weight was quite top-heavy.

[@jacobmacht2183]

I debated between these two bikes as my first motorcycle for 6 months and I am very happy with my R7, no regrets whatsoever. I'll definitely get a four cylinder someday but by then I'll be wanting more power than the 650r and more aggressive ergonomics as well.

[@Cm.enduro]

the gentlemanly dad bike is exactly what im after, i love my 650R. sporty, but still a suit and tie kinda date.

[@garythecarwashkid]

Since i sen the cbr650r IV been a huge fan, beautiful bike! Also I was a bit indecisive about the R7., but after recently renting one for a few days... AHH my god I am in love with the R7. still love the CBR650 but I just mean I was pleasantly surprised by the R7! Rides beautifully, torque any time you need it on the streets , sounds amazing, gets alot of stares and compliments., felt like a baby R1. I love what the motorbike industry has been doing lately, these are a great class of bikes 🙌

[@JoseLgamer05]

Man those shots of the bike get better by the second... Keep up with the good work guys!

[@Breazeh]

The 650R is actually cheaper than the R7 brand new in Australia so of course the Honda was an easy choice for me. But admittedly, as a bigger guy, I loved both rides during testing the two

[@mannygsxr]

That Honda front end looks great!

[@user-jw4nz8km2x]

I just came home from a 800km touring ride on the 650R with SW-motech full set of luggage. As long as you got an exhaust on it (mine has Akrapovic S-H6R14-HEGEHT) you get that deep inline-four burble and grown. It is an amazing versitaile bike. Got the looks of a "mini fireblade", has all the power for public road. Can carry a passanger and is such a nimble bike for solo riding and still capable of doing pretty hard touring while being enjoyable enough to pick for a short cafe ride. Not many bikes can do all that and also provide mad reputation of reliability in the same package. Such a great bike and looks menacing in matte black with silver accents.

[@austonboston4361]

Seriously considering a cbr650r. Haven't ridden for awhile, I'm 64 now but in really good physical shape. I've owned a 1975 honda cb 750 super sport, a 1976 kawasaki kz900, and a 1980 yamaha xs 1100. Looking forward to hitting a dealership soon for at least a look see.

[@Drunken_Hamster]

The best motorcycles are 300-400hp/ton (combined rider and bike wet weight) with 3 or fewer cylinders. To translate that to bike examples, an RS660, Street Triple, MT09, KTM 690-890, etc. CBR650R counts, too, with a light enough rider. I think you guys should try a 49, 51, or even a 53-tooth sprocket on the back of the 650R, but also pick up a 17-tooth front so you can switch it back to something close to stock gearing with just 1 change and a chain length adjustment. A 17/47 will be the closest to stock, but as you said, even stock isn't perky enough, so yeah. But having a "slightly improved stock equivalent" with a 17 front will mean a REALLY punchy setup with the 15-tooth front. This is how I have my Vstrom 650 set up. 51-tooth rear, stock 15-tooth front, and I can get it back to exactly stock by simply changing the front to 17-tooth. Funny enough, the 51-tooth rear even clears the stock chain guard!

[@kapilr.4768]

Honda's legacy, engine refinement and balance of power and mileage is unbeatable.

[@_AnanasIEgenJuice_]

What you talked about at around 10-11 min is the same reason I got a CB650R as my first bike. Yea it has a lot of power, but it is in the high revs so it cant really "surprise" me the way a bike with lots of down low torque can. I then also have room to grow into the power as I gain experience

[@TheMrdrayerr]

same, i got it as my first bike aswell, but since the power is all high in the revs its easy to manage and its a lot less nervous lower in the revs then the R7

[@colbyclark2479]

Do you still have it?

[@miguelcabanillas8539]

I also purchased my 2019 Honda CB650R as my first bike and boy let me tell you, it’s such a NICE bike. Like, everytime I get on the saddle I always think to myself what a composed, solid motorcycle it is. Like y’all mentioned, if I want the higher power, just rev it up; if not, I’ll stay between 5k-7.5k. Just reached 7,020 miles as of this morning (purchased in Oct 2020).

[@_AnanasIEgenJuice_]

@@colbyclark2479 Yep. I got it in March this year. Its in winter storage now. Cant wait for the spring to bring it out again

[@Damiv]

I would already own a CBR650R if it was possible. They sell out before ever showing up at any dealership near me.

[@tomasjanostak789]

Yea i got lucky getting mine just keep trying its amazing

[@killerdeviant]

Yea you gotta put down a deposit on one that may or not be ordered at my local place. It’s crazy

[@96toofast]

That's what happened to me I had to drop the deposit before I ever saw the bike! Happy hunting it's definitely worth the wait.

[@Villani_AV]

Yeah I bought the only one available by me, same dealer only just got the 2021 model in back in September, just one again

[@Cm.enduro]

it took me 3 weeks and 5 different states before i found mine. best of luck to you, its worth it once you have it!

[@OwenBrose]

Having been on the r7, and owning an 01 F4i myself, I can safely say that Honda has always been the king of the in-between 300 and 600 cc class

[@sergiooliveira1127]

I had the R6 and CBR600RR from 2008 and the R6 is much better and faster, the only thing the CBR had better was the factory steering damper that saved my ass a couple times, still was a great bike, loved it and undertail exhaust for me was also a bonus. The 2019 R6 is also better than the new CBR600RR, its just built better for "spicy" riding and obviously, much less road friendly, because the body position on the R6 is more agressive. There is also no comparison with the R3 vs CBR300R, the R3 is on another level... By that, what I mean is that you can't say Honda is the king of 300-600cc class just because your CBR is clearly much faster than a R7, it has 35hp more, the R7 was not built to battle with other 4cyl bikes, but the Ninja 650, thats also a twin cyl on the 650cc field, and if you compare those 2, the Yamaha is miles better... the only brand I hoped they would bring something new to kill the R7 and Ninja was KTM, with some sort of R version of the Duke 790, but I dont think they are interested in building R bikes anymore... Your CBR was built to go head to head with the first gen R6 (that was very very fast but not as reliable as the honda), and in that case, the CBR was actually a better and more solid bike! Yamaha and Honda have been on top of the game for the most part, and honestly I can't say that one of them is the "king" because things change too much over the time.

[@tgs_itekniquetgs_iteknique5612]

R6 better

[@billlaughlin8153]

Honda makes great bikes and cars, and, it’s been my experience that Yamaha likes to throw together stuff to play catch-up and not put the QUALITY into the bike. My knees would be suffering on that yammy too cuz I’m old lol

[@scottsingleton2951]

Kinda looks like Yamaha spends more for higher quality components and adjustablity, while honda spends more on fit and finish and comfort. It's pretty amazing that with differing philosophies they end up with pretty similar machines.

[@NinjaKid1985]

Oh yes, I love the conclusion. Since I own a RS660! 🤣😅👍 But as some people already said besides the RS when older bikes in this category are a Option too then the CBR600F-Sport/F4i is probably still the better bike compared to his younger brother here and the R7. It will easily go many more years, it's more powerfull, it still looks great in red and will be MUCH cheaper.

[@jimmy000001253628484]

I picked up a 2021 CBR 650 R ABS this summer and I love it.

[@tomasjanostak789]

Got a 19 non ABS and its amazing

[@_stanley_c_]

Same here, just so good... Before I purchase the cbr, I sit on both cbr and ninja and I know I belong to the cbr😂 I somehow don't like the ninja 650.

[@L3G0S4UR]

I have the 2020 650R. Peel off the striped sticker and it looks clean as hell as a pure red bike. I use the 650R for work commute. Initially, I was gonna sell it within the year and pick up a 1000RR but after using it for a good year, I think I will be owning 2 bikes in the future. One for track and one for work.

[@goodvibesvince]

Keep the stickers on, removing is a terrible idea

[@FirstnameLastname-pe3ky]

Did you end up getting a fire blade? I am in between buying one of these two and I don't know what to get. I'm worried about the fireblade being wasted in the city. Like no shifting, not a lot of throttle etc.

[@jaimetachiquin4140]

I have a 2020 ninja 1000sx and I love it it’s super comfortable you should definitely try to make a video on that bike not a lot of people know about them Love the videos

[@thatguyfrommaine4400]

We can trust the Yamm on this one, he's the only dude who's 5'11 and doesnt claim 6ft. Nice.. Also go team RED!

[@michaelconran5252]

True. No one is 5'11".

[@dg8062]

When I raced 600's back in the late '90's, early 2000's, cbr600 WAS a competitive bike in the class and utterly bullit proof!

[@halfordwyrmbane618]

THANKS for the review of the CBR650R and R7! Both were GREAT to ride at the weekend!

[@MichaelTramm]

“Dragging knee on a Versys 650.” Sounds like a challenge for Ari Henning.

[@musguelha14]

Zack did it on the clapped out Battletoad

[@souhailshamaissem7564]

I totally agree, nothing beats the sound of an inline 4. To me it's the best sound a d I am willing to compromise a bit on power fir that beautiful sound of the four cylinders

[@jimaymayjimomo2286]

I haven’t ridden the r7 but having ridden the cbr650 I can say one thing. If you want to be a twisty hooligan I wouldn’t pick the 650. You can actively feel the frame flex mid corner when you’ve got it laid over

[@dry509]

What would you get then?

[@paulprior9875]

I actually really rate the CBR. My brother owns a 2019 model and it's a fantastic ride.

[@Villani_AV]

I have a 20 and I can confirm this, even at 6'3 it's mostly great for an every day bike with some short touring ability. Took mine 455 miles one way to Pittsburgh in September, the only issues I found there was the seat to peg ratio and lack of cruise control for my right hand lol. It's perfect for my Long Island roads

[@TheLentastic]

I would love to see more (drag) races in here like carwow does. As a CB 650 R owner I completely agree with you. I like the comfort and relaxed driving BUT you can be an absolute hoonigan on the Honda also, especialy if you spec it with the quick shifter. I remember that it held up with the Triumph Street Triple in your video. I really like the R7, it looks soo good but the built quality seems to be lacking.

[@Saucey65]

RS660 might be the better balanced bike but I think financially it knocks itself out every time. Service maintenance. I think that's enough for the Yamaha and the Honda to edge themselves over the Aprilia.

[@babyvanta]

Best time to buy the CBR was right before the pandemic when dealers couldn’t even give these away.

[@MOTO_DOSE]

They still sell the cbr600rr in 2021. It's the same bike from 2013 but it's still a great bike. Japan got a redesigned cbr600rr for 2021 with a new dash and electronics as well as a facelift

[@RossMKF1]

I think these are different classes of bike the CBR 600RR is $13k in USA while the CBR650R is $9700

[@mrmatt7210]

When the "Go" button is pushed on these two bikes, the R7 gets a good view of the Honda rear .

[@KingKofi01]

Haha 😂 so true

[@danlford]

Yeah. The honda probably ends up winning with equal riders, but spite never does any bike justice in acceleration tests. It's not just weight either. He doesn't open the throttle wide open. The r7 doesn't have any nanny aids so he was scared he might loop it.

[@AmritGrewal31]

22:00 well, there ya go Spite being on R7 evens out the weight difference between the bikes and it all comes down to torque delivery & bhp Turns out, you really aren't missing out on a lot with CBR650R's bottom end. Drop a gear & it's a rocketship Ps: if the same rider is to choose between the 2 bikes, ofcourse the weight would make a difference. How big of a difference? Well, rider+bike weight difference between both of these is 7-8%, so the difference in acceleration between both bikes won't be that drastically affected. However, CBR would certainly feel less nimble

[@danlford]

Ps spite doesn't open the throttle all the way ever.

[@Lukas-jm7cx]

you call starting at 46mph/74km/h in 2nd gear! low end? Would be a completly different story if they went for a 30mph 3rd gear launch.

[@AmritGrewal31]

@@Lukas-jm7cx did you forget to read "drop a gear and it's a rocketship." It merely takes less than half a second... that is, unless you are a complete noob The situation you describe is exactly the situation that gears are for, FFS! If you love to lug the engine, then just buy an FTR or a Harley.

[@AmritGrewal31]

@@Lukas-jm7cx however, if you were talking about middle of the CBD (downtown) during rush hour, you cannot drop below the 1st gear, but that's also the situation where TAME low end would come in handy Therefore, on most motorcycles, there's not much use of low-end tow-truck-like torque other than the bragging rights.

[@WheelHeadd]

I'd choose an inline-4 anyday. That CBR 650R may not be as snappy as the R7, but if you would be playing on the road/track, R7 would always be left behind, specially, in top speed.

[@chadbest7129]

Top speed yes, but on a track the r7 is going to excel in the twisties and make up the difference. It won't dominate the r7 on a track. The r7 would be the better track performer.

[@riverstudd]

Just bought my first bike! All licensed and insured. Couldn't bring it home today but doing a pickup ASAP. Thanks Yammy for guiding me through this.

[@TheLentastic]

What bike did you get?

[@riverstudd]

@@TheLentastic a Grom! So stoked to finally get it home.

[@riverstudd]

@@TheLentastic sorry don't know what happened phone must have malfunctioned. A turbo busa ofc

[@anthonymalapeau7948]

@@riverstudd enjoy the Grom. You will remember it forever. 👍

[@ozzyg82]

That Honda has always appealed to me - I still intend on test riding it one day.

[@KingKofi01]

I started in the CBR650r and it really is a great beginner bike for a more mature rider. ABS and traction control imo are a must for a beginner. It has plenty of power and just as much torque as a 600cc bike. Power to weight ratio is also higher than the R7.

[@rutgerGoretex]

Is the power to weight ratio really higher on the honda?

[@KingKofi01]

@@rutgerGoretex Yes, it’s not hard to figure it out. The CBR has 95 hp divided by it’s wet weight of 455 lbs = .208 The R7 makes just 72 hp divided by its wet weight of 414 lbs = .173 Last I checked, .208 is greater than .173

[@rutgerGoretex]

@@KingKofi01 awesome!

[@yonniboy1]

My neighbour has a 2020 CBR650R and was very underwhelmed with its performance as his previous bike was a CBR600RR so he got his dealership to put in a front sprocket with one tooth less, I've ridden the bike before and after he changed the sprocket and the difference defies belief , it's now a really peppy little bike with attitude that now wheelies in 1st and 2nd.

[@Deved89]

It reminds me of the fz6, very similar in power. 90 hp is about perfect for the street

[@davidklementis5913]

I own a FZ6 and was thinking the same thing, but it's newer and I think has a little better fit and finish then mine.

[@ryancraig2795]

Honda finally got smart and put some of the power back into that engine. Man, those are some long-ass peg feelers on that Honda. Lacking ground clearance, or pegs higher than that need to be? I always wonder that when I see really long feelers like that on a bike.

[@thephoenix7435]

7:36 Suddenly a GTR pops up and makes my day. Nice comparison video though 👍

[@dubzc5895]

Finally, ya woke up and smelled the espresso ducati biscotti boi. CBR650 FTW 😎😎😎😎

[@jojogpt]

The paint job on the GTR looked quite cool.

[@calebnolte2577]

Was starting to wonder if anyone else noticed it lol

[@Liuvadaking]

I jus got a R7 and I had never used a street bike I bought brand new jumped on it and took it home straight natural I love it it’s pretty fast and really fun to rip around.

[@radstartrek]

You didn't talk about the pillion comfort. CBR 650r is a pillion Rider's love.

[@A_Wolf]

Finally! It seems like people are afraid to compare the r7 to the cbr 650r.

[@A_Wolf]

Acceleration test 21:48

[@TopDonBarrow]

Honda does make some comfortable sport bikes. That's why I bought a VFR1200F manual. It's my first bike but it's so comfortable and has power when I want it but I can cruise on it. It's heavy, but it doesn't feel heavy because I'm 250 pounds at 6'1. I have a center stand, shaft final drive so no chain worries, has a nice idle for its version of V4 but it high revs it sounds like a chainsaw lol, looks good with and without the saddles bags, and it's very reliable. I don't know what I would replace it with. I'm thinking about a ZH2, Streetfighter V4, Tuono V4 touring, or a Rocket 3R. I just have to test ride them all. But it's hard to let go honestly.

[@cccycling5835]

I love my CB650R, but I’m still looking at a 2nd weekend bike and the R7 is looking very attractive to me. I’ll probably pick up a used version in a few years.

[@kingdomcome1617]

Do you have any experience on supersports? I've been thinking about getting rid of my 600rr and picking up a slightly used cb650r. I've been riding sportbikes since I was 18 (dirtbikes since 4). Starting out, had a few 600s then moved to the 1000s and now I'm back on the same model as my first bike (600rr) for street riding. I've found myself lately only using 80% of what the bike is capable of maybe a few times a month (no tracks nearby - and I'm not as gung ho on the street as when I was a younger lad). It's getting less and less comfortable every year ( and I'm getting older and older lol, in my 30s now). Curious how your experience has been with the cb650r as far as power and ergonomics go? Do you seem to get cramped up after a few hours of riding? - If you don't mind sharing.

[@FoolishPrince]

@@kingdomcome1617 31 years old this year, scoliosis and other back problems my whole life. I ride it to work through the city and on county roads visiting family (still haven't taken it in the interstate though, might do that this weekend) I find it to be comfortable. BUT it's also my first bike.

[@davgathright]

Yo I remember yammie noob videos back when I first started even thinking about bikes and gear thinking it was just gonna be another bike vlog channel. I apologize for the disrespect 🙌🏾 I've learned and enjoyed so much.

[@aaronmahony3083]

I drag knee on my CBR650r, I’ve put aftermarket clip-ons that are an inch lower than stock. So it is closer to the r7 seating position

[@papasmurf205]

Seems you probably should get a 600RR or a zx6r then

[@ps4_goat716]

@@papasmurf205 Yeah i wanted the cbr600rr but i have to pay fucking 1907 dollars per year for the plates compared to 700 dollars so i will go with the cbr650r I think

[@akshaykumar_r]

Yesss I've been waiting for the CBR to show up on the channel!! 🤩

[@thenarrowpathoftruth9443]

So why are you upshifting and staying in the 3000 rpm range to begin with? Stay in a lower gear to begin with. It ain’t a Ford Diesel.

[@onecookieboy]

I looked at a 2022 CBR650R a few days ago, what a nice little bike, it was dark metalic blue and it looked fantastic. The quality of the fit and finish was amazing. I would have one tomorrow if was in the market for a new bike.

[@jasonmendonca6061]

If I was going to buy something in the 650-700 class it would be the CBR650R. But you can pay a few more bucks and get a 636

[@ashleym2878]

The abs on my cbr650r as my first bike has definitely saved my life at one stage when I used abs to it's full potential I do believe without it I would have locked up and lost the front end

[@cyber._.Defender]

For INDIAN roads, Cbr650r is truly an all-round motorcycle. I have done 700km(around 435 miles) roadtrip on this bike. Not one time did I feel distress because of the ergonomics. More than enough power nd torque for Indian Roads/Highways. My top speed on a freeway was 245kmph(153mph). 🔥 Average fuel economy was around 20-24kmpl. ✅ The inline 4 is a gem on this bike ❤ I also do my office commute on this bike everyday. The heat management in bumper to bumper traffic is also manageable. Doesn't heat up that much. Overall, it's the best bike that u can use in multiple situations. Can't say the same for yamaha R7. Yeah, if u want to take it to the race track mostly (which only 0.02% people do) u can go for the R7. Here in India, people purchase 200+ bhp bikes just to flex on the streets nd later sell it to get another more powerful bike nd repeat the same cycle. 🤣

[@SOUVIK_RAY_]

Hey bud! I have a question. I plan to purchase a superbike under Rs 12 Lakh and I am confused between Z900 and CBR650R (2024 model to be launched in India soon). I can't decide which one to buy. My primary requirement is brutal power delivery which tilts me towards Z900 but then I prefer faired bikes over naked which tilts me towards CBR650R. Considering both the bikes are similarly priced, what would your choice be taking power, looks and maintenance cost into consideration? Can you suggest?

[@bennyg-rides]

Hey guys great video 😁 I've not long passed my test over here in the UK and for my first main bike, I've ordered the cbr650r in black, I'll be using it for more commuting in all weather and abit of weekend fun. Can't wait to get on it :)

[@motojuve8673]

There is also something to be said for the reliability of the r7

[@DamaniJones]

Is it more or less reliable?