Triumph vs Ducati Scrambler! Which One is BEST?

[@yammienoob]

Make sure you check out www.yammienoob.co so you can WIN this Triumph Street Scrambler for Free!

[@sheldongottschalk2436]

Can someone tell me if this bike is a good deal: 2006 Triumph Daytona 675 Trip w/ 29k miles listed at $3,200

[@chrishungry3966]

You keep comparing the sled to a sumo, how about your sled vs spites smc r?

[@quidestnunc9238]

@The Moby Thicc My suggestion (given your Body Mass Index statistics) is a Peleton. Seriously.

[@shreyandaschaudhuri7072]

Yammie could you please do a ergonomics check on the desert sled with josh....p.s. Love from india

[@grndragon2443]

You should do a video on the 1100 scramblers.

[@salmiano2094]

I think the scrambler is way better than the scambler.

[@p016264]

Well obviously

[@salmiano2094]

@@p016264 i mean its pretty clear

[@aidens04]

Ditto

[@jondixon4180]

No way the scrambler doesnt even compete whith the scrambler

[@p016264]

@@jondixon4180 the scambler tries its best, and it’s pretty close, but the scrambler’s win is obvious

[@aidens04]

Not all of us actually want to pull a wheelie... I love them both but I'd go for the triumph. Purely on looks. It's a beauty

[@michaelcayer8358]

Can't say say enough about how much I enjoy your reviews. Your intelligence, detail orientation and customer focus effectively differentiates you from just about every bike reviewer on KZbin, with the exception of a few gentlemen who share your passion for riding & reporting on the abundant new products coming to market. Keep them coming Mr. Noob! You're the Noobiest!

[@EveyoneCallsMeTheDude]

I’ve popped some Dank Woolies on my street scrambler, and I’ve been ran off the road and had to jump the curb with no other issues than bending my front rim a little. I’ve had it off road on everything from loose gravel roads to single tracks and spent all day touring on it as well. I’ve found it’s super comfy and pretty capable on and off road. Even with all that said I like the benefits that the Ducati has.

[@yammienoob]

Love it. You’re using it to it’s full potential 👍🏻

[@davidleroth8644]

I have a ducati scrambler icon and i want to put a Sled suspension on it so bad. That being said, i also really want to at least ride a triumph scrambler to see the difference

[@jacobwilliamson3295]

I also have a desert sled and I 100% agree with everything. I can keep up just fine with my buddies on some twisties when they ride sport bikes and it’s so fun taking the sled off road. Even doing some small jumps with it is amazing

[@michaelfinck6945]

The Triumph is a nice styling exercise. But the mighty Desert Sled! I love this bike for 2 reasons: It's dead serious and in that regard a real alternative to the dualsports. And the looks! Can't help but finding the Desert Sled one of the most beautiful bikes on the market.

[@tawaitai]

True! Now Ducati just needs to offer the “Desert Sled Scrambler” in a single-cylinder to lighten it up & come in at a cheaper price.

[@RyanBensonBoise]

And the desert sled has wonderful road manners.

[@UncleWally3]

Well done! The question asked @ 31.57 ought to seal the deal for most consumers; the honest answer ought to be unpacked a tad more to include access to quality dealerships and other cost of ownership issues.

[@7x779]

Anyone looking at a desert sled would be also considering the Triumph XE, and vice versa, not to street scrambler

[@jordangraf673]

It’s literally called the STREET scrambler. Price shouldn’t be the determining factor for the comparison

[@henris8367]

this isn't a great comparison tbh. Should have compared the triumph with a normal ducati scrambler. Or compared your ducati with the Triumph Scrambler 1200 XC

[@coltonmathews1290]

Was going to say this, the street scrambler is a scrambler in name and looks only, while the actual rally package seems to be pretty boss and lives up to it's off-road stylings

[@toofastnobrakes]

Well this should settle it. Is yammie more of a triumph simp or a Ducati simp

[@BerserkerRider94]

I'm liking the street scrambler a lot

[@jimmyjoe1871]

I just purchased a ‘23 Sled. Having reached the 600 mile mark for service, the thing that surprised me about the bike is it’s handling. It is an absolute blast in the twisties. Carves roads up WAY better than I expected. Especially with dual purpose tires.

[@KeepItSimpleSailor]

I’m envious 😁 Enjoy

[@pneumaticman5927]

I didn’t know they still made the ‘Sled?!

[@bobjohnson1633]

They never stopped making the sled. Ducati scramblers are their own line and the sled is kind of separate from the rest.

[@abuelofm5]

The real competitor for the Triumph is the "normal" ducati scrambler and not the desert sled version

[@yammienoob]

price

[@axlejohnson9156]

Got that right.

[@hansottevanger4112]

Price should not come into it when you are looking at capabilities mmmmmm?

[@splodge57]

I have a 15 yr old Goldwing that cost the same, would make a great comparison.

[@wandering_armadillo]

You absolutely deserve your large number of subscribers! In depth and fair analysis, especially since you own one and could have been way more biased. I enjoyed my Triumph, and it suited my Noob status and shorter height. As you say, does forestry roads well but standing for any length of time was uncomfortable due to outward stance of right leg needed to clear high pipes. Would get lots of attention!

[@hugonunezb.4676]

Shouldn’t this comparison be with the triumph scrambler xc or xe to be more inline with the off-road capabilities?

[@yammienoob]

displacement and price

[@grayman7208]

@@yammienoob capabilities are the actual issue.

[@grayman7208]

yes

[@theonlyDougBlack]

@@grayman7208 unless you’re on a budget.

[@grayman7208]

@@theonlyDougBlack he doesn't usually buy the bikes, they are loaners.

[@JCSv14]

I’d love a more powerful street scrambler with about 1 or 2 inches more clearance. I know about the 1200 but I personally like the way this one looks better.

[@thomasduhamel6766]

They're not comparable yammie, should've done a versus a xc or xe, more in the same ballpark

[@Snoozzzzzze]

The ducati 748 front sprocket fits straight on and gives the sled proper Ducati acceleration without sacrificing top end and also enables you to get into second gear earlier on dirt roads as I always found the first gear too tall.

[@russcole5685]

Is that one tooth less than the standard

[@Snoozzzzzze]

@@russcole5685 I’m not sure as I haven’t owned the bike for a while now but it’s a straight swap for that era of scramblers and an easier mod that’s the rear sprocket as it’s a simple nut and bend a lock washer.

[@russcole5685]

@@Snoozzzzzze all good, I'll keep it mind. I'm looking for one myself at the moment. But all my search's online here in New Zealand don't show many for sale. Proof to me that the sked us a great bike. My only concern is my short legs, I'm 5'6", with a 30" in seam. Lower profile seat, or even sacrifice some ground clearance and lower the forks, rear pre ride. Only dreaming at this stage mind

[@lazerdave9284]

Hey Papa Yams, just letting you know, you've got a frozen/stiff chain link on your desert sled at 05:40 ... might be time for a new chain! ride safe, you beautiful memelord

[@PGPlaythroughs]

Sharp eyes!

[@WeItenspinner]

A stiff chain becomes a broken chain and a broken chain becomes a flying chain saw.

[@CNDUK-q8r]

Although I'm a Triumph fan-boy - just looking at them you have to say the Desert Sled is Streets ahead. However compare it to the 1200 Triumph scrambler with the fancy suspension and 21in wheel - then the decision would be reversed.

[@yammienoob]

displacement and price

[@thebeddoctor4273]

I wish the japanese brands would put out a competitor to that Ducati sled. It's a beautiful bike.

[@torrolindsey3459]

They did. Yamaha SCR950, but they got cheap with brakes & suspension. Heavy 550lbs, 51 Ponies. I bought one and still luv it! Put it out 1 year only. Competition is fierce as you can see.

[@gmcg8775]

I am 0 seconds into this video and I already know Yammie will claim the Duc is the winner.

[@Bthast62]

You're good. Took me 1 second.. 🤦

[@frankymacf]

Yammie, you annihilated that Q&A, great review.

[@peterford9369]

As much as I like the looks of the triumphs. It looks like they think, " I'll take the same frame, same engine,same suspension etc, call it something else. By throwing different pipes, little more aggressive tires and like you said, a plastic skid plate. And poof! You have an adventure bike. NO! you don't. Now, the Ducati. You put all those true off road features on it and add turn signals, and other road necessary features on it,,, and it's street usable. Triumphs are sweet, no doubt. But don't call it a scrambler by tossing it a few off road tidbits.

[@nazrighazali]

Desert Sled for me between the two. My favourite scrambler is actually the Triumph 1200XE

[@davidhartley6232]

The Triumph is for the guy with a house on two surveyed acres down a one mile gravel road... The Ducati is for the guy with ten acres of wildlands down a five mile gravel road.

[@waylonswaycraps]

Cabarella rally 500 is a better choice as far as a scrambler goes! These 2 are not dirt worthy

[@andrewwiltse8882]

The Ducati takes it for me, it looks the off road part very well. After 30 drops I bet the Triumph would look pretty beat up. Great video thx

[@billwhite8479]

The Triumph is simply a Bonneville with afterthought parts thrown on.. The Ducati is specifically designed and engineered as a dual purpose bike..

[@jtg4002]

I actually went to the dealership to buy the Triumph, then I saw the Desert Sled. It’s was over. The Duc is in my garage.

[@sebastiaanprins98]

I got to ride the street scrambler when I brought my tiger in for service, I must say it is a load of fun!

[@ScramblerStories]

Well consider me your hero then. Key West to Prudhoe Bay Alaska, and then back to New Orleans on the Street Scrambler. Dalton Highway, plenty of off-roading in the desert, etc. But yeah, the Desert Sled is way better off the road, easily. Don't forget Henry Crew took one around the world. The 1200 XE will be my next Triumph. I love my Street Scrambler and it won't be going away, but I need sometime more aggressive off-road. First serious rock steps and I decided I won't be doing that again. Good thing I got a beefy skid plate...

[@haroldshull6848]

Hard to find neutral? Back-in-the-day we'd do what we called 'break the clutch' before we even started the engine. Put it in gear and with the clutch lever squeezed to the handlebar, rock the bike back n forth until the clutch sticktion breaks free. Now you're ready to go. When you come to a situation that dictates a full stop, click it into neutral before you are stopped by 2 to 5 feet. Your previously 'freed' clutch won't drag you through the intersection as you look for neutral. Love your videos, I have a Desert Sled, and started dirt riding with a '67 TR6C.

[@lordbyron4163]

The triumph scrambler is not meant to go off road!! The clue is in the name of the bike "Street Scrambler" for scrambling around streets.

[@ivanandruth3855]

The Sled is more like a 70’s “enduro,” similar to an old SL, DT, XT, or even a later XL. The Triumph fits the “Scrambler” mode better as long as the bike’s owner makes a couple easy mods to make it dirt worthy.

[@farid7968]

Hi Yammie Noob Thanks for your vid, i liked it! it makes me feel like buying the ducati right now. HOWEVER, and whenever i see vids with guys like you (and with great explaination) YOU JUST NEVER OR SIMPLY ALWAYS FORGET TO TALK ABOUT THE KICKSTARTER. (if there is or is not one on the bike). To me! it is not a simple extra feature but almost a must especially for an off road machine. Just a pure stupid illustration: when out with my scooter if the battery is weak or whatever is the reason having my kickstarter has avoided me calling any road assistance many times! So could you in the future, mention the absence or presence of that feature. i really think that will help us evaluat a bike againt another one. thanks, take care Farid

[@demonic87]

If you drop your scrambler as much as you say yammie, how the hell does it still look so mint? Teach me your dropping ways.

[@yammienoob]

Don’t look too close, it has *many* battle scars lol

[@cber5077]

I have a Ducati scrambler. I also love it. I use it to commute to work (we can lane split where I live), so it’s awesome to blow through traffic. Although i barely go off road, I like that there is some ability for that. I haven’t had the find neutral problem, but have 2 dislikes. One is no fuel gauge so having to know how far I’ve driven so I won’t run out of gas, and two, the very hot engine when stopped at a light.

[@jdub264]

Love the music! Wish most reviewer tubers used classical. So enjoyable with a glass of Merlot.

[@stuartreinus1768]

you clearly love this bike....and all your enthusiasm led me to buy one as my first motorcycle last year. I have really enjoyed the 5300 miles I now have on it and really feel I made the right decision buying it, Thanks Brother

[@ampm9771]

Which part of this triumph screams that it can hand's off road? It's fat, it's heavy, it's too low and it doesn't have the suspension capable of doing off road. This comparison is essentially moot.

[@basithph8958]

Scrambler vs Scrambler Man this is going to be a tough choice

[@AjarnSpencer]

your q and a to questions in comments are exactly the topics i intend to cover in my own measly reviews. Great topics answered.

[@AjarnSpencer]

i have taken a honda dream 125 moped on mountain dirt trails on koh lanta Thailand no problem... we are used to roads being made of deep red mud and puddles... but i do have a ducati nightshift too.. its a demon disguised as a gentleman's street scrambler. The desert sled front wheel is thinner so more manoeuverable than nightshift, but both are among my most recommended bikes. But do not underestimate them, they are very fast off the mark, as are all Ducatis. It is still a racing bike despite its design and marketing

[@larryfisher]

Damnit Yammie you got me wanting a Desert sled, Italian craftsmanship- quality is second to none

[@stratolestele7611]

Just watching this and seeing you pass Sam's Boat. You're probably too young, but man, that place was THE place in the Arboretum area (the horrible "Domain" was vacant acreage) for many years. Tons of bikes used to congregate there (including any one of mine). What's not to like - an outdoor bar, huge deck, live music, lovely ladies, and you could look at yours and everyone else's bikes while slurping down seafood, crawfish and what have you.

[@taylorsnyder7974]

After ducatista tax the comparison is more for the 1200 xc and well yam...🍠 sorry to say that Ducati loses that battle....but I would LOVE see a video of your riding the XC and your opinions on it. Thanks for what you do man. Big fan

[@AlexVitoriano]

When I bought mine Street scrambler I was looking for Ducati Scrambler, but here in BR I think it could be more dangerous to have a Ducati and the insurance for the Triumph was cheaper!

[@darkninjapael]

I love the street scrambler, the seat height is a plus since I'm 5'3" lol.

[@deathbygod5810]

I'm 5'4 and i agree. Triumph has more mercy for smaller guys.

[@fredperiquet1476]

I have 22 Ducati Scrambler Urban Motard. I enjoy the bike. Previously had a 2014 KTM 690 Duke

[@FlorinNitulescu_1]

As many have pointed out, the comparison is very flawed. You either compare the Street Scrambler to the normal Ducati Scrambler, or the Desert Sled to the Triumph 1200 XE/XC. Different tools for different jobs.

[@RKmndo]

The Desert Sled is more offroad-ready, right off the showroom floor. The aftermarket supports the Triumph 900 well enough with suspension, power parts, and weight-shaving though. Scramblers used to be built, rather than bought anyway, and some Triumphs look REALLY nice too. Strip some weight, then swap on some taller, long-travel, fully-adjustable boingers. As an aside, i think it's hilarious that the little Leoncino Trail 500 I just got my wife has 50mm USD forks. They aren't long-travel or adjustable though.

[@eliotmackay1820]

2 videos in one day. Love this

[@daniellacko6620]

First vid was cringe.

[@BeardlyGentlemen]

A true biscotti boy doesn't need neutral because you're not meant to ever stop moving.

[@AjarnSpencer]

The statement you made about the difficulty in finding neutral; I had the same problem until I found out the little screw just on the inside of the clutch lever, can be used to adjust the clutch. What's really happening is that your clutch is not fully released it's still pulling a little bit. That's why you think that you aren't getting high torque when you go above 7000 revs per minute but actually that's when the true power kicks in on your Ducati. Your clutch needs adjusting because it's not fully released. You should have a little bit of play, and when you pull the clutch after half a centimeter or so you should hear a tiny little click. Once I calibrated that properly neutral it was instantly easy to find, and the bike started performing better at high reps which is how the bike is supposed to perform in the first place. It's able to perform hi power low revs and high-power Hi-Revs. Get your clutch fixed man. if you are losing power at high revs and I heard you say it doesn't seem to have much power at high revs, that means your clutch is not completely released it's too tight

[@RandomGRK]

Not really the correct comparison. Regular Ducati Scrambler vs Street Scrambler makes more sense. The 1200 scrambler vs the Sled

[@jarrettbellboy]

"it feels a little wrong doing it." Of course it does. The SS is just a Bonneville with nobby tires and a high exhaust. More for flare than function. Offroad aesthetic on a modern classic.

[@georgeperkins4171]

I think its timed differently

[@9999plato]

The Triumph is a scrambler in styling only. Yeah they used to do hill climbs and other foolishness back in the day but the biggest bike Triumph had was a 650 and often 500 singles were often chosen. I've owned several original Triumphs and BSA motorcycles. It's just stupid to think of a 1200 Triumph on the dirt.

[@bwanaPele]

@YammieNoob sorry to say but you should have compared the Triumph scrambler XE or XC to the Ducati Desert Sled. I'm in the market for a scrambler and it's between those three. Any suggestions y'all? I'm leaning toward the Desert Sled.

[@genius-no5sl]

Both rock.

[@pneumaticman5927]

Noon, I moved to Austin from New Mexico, a little under three years ago. I was there for about 20 years. Would love to hear where you went on your New Mexico trip.

[@carlll6101]

Scramblers are bad at everything and that's what makes them great

[@shamgarmysterion8413]

Sports bike is bad for longride and offroad

[@a.b.keerthivarshan11]

Then why did you come to see this video ?

[@axlejohnson9156]

I don't think this guy knows what a Scrambler is. A Scrambler is and has always been a dual purpose bike. Something for the road and something to get off in the dirt roads. It's not made for jumps and huge ruts. It's not a moto with high ground clearance and long suspension travel. A Scrambler is made for the pavement or the dirt road.

[@footnotedrummer]

I have a question... as a somewhat newer street rider (I have a lot of off-road under my belt) I find myself far more comfortable in the left side of the lane for 2 reasons... #1... if a car wants to pass the slow driver behind me... he may not see me if I'm trudging along in the right side of the lane. Yet, you seem to be very comfortable over there and spend a lot of time there. #2... if I'm riding at night and a car with a burned out driver's side light is approaching me... depth perception becomes a real problem. So... I like to position myself such that I appear to be a car with a burned out passenger light. This removes the "OMG is the driver's side of that approaching "car" partly in my lane?" factor. What is your reasoning for hanging in the right side of the lane?

[@davidleroth8644]

I have a zard exhaust on my scrambler and i pop the throttle like you do on yours all the time. The bark so fun

[@edmay6458]

A little confused about some of the things you say. The top 2 middleweight ADV bikes are the T7 and KTM 790/890 and both of those are roughly the same weight as the Ducati. Does the rear shock not bother you when standing on the sled? Drove me nuts when I've ridden them. Don't like how my leg is trying to grip the bike right on the rear shock. Weird ergos. Definitely would choose it over the triumph scrambler, though.

[@dr.fruityboots4706]

The triumph is a retro bike more like an older scrambler and the Ducati is closer to a modern on road on road then a traditional scrambler so they rely are made for two different riding styles.

[@johnp-h8896]

Loved my Ducatis had some issues and high maintenance bills, but as a long termer my two Triumphs have been nothing but faultless, fit and finish is excellent too.

[@phatsmitty]

Had a '96 Monster 750, there is something magical in that air cooled L twin.... the precious 😌

[@manny75586]

I love the Ducati Scrambler line but the Sled is easily my least favorite. I would personally prefer the Triumph. Looks and sounds better than the Sled to me.

[@davidc1961utube]

Sounds like the sled is a good choice if you are inclined to hooliganism and want a streety, cool sounding dual sport look, feel and riding experience. The Triumph would be a good choice for a three season commuter and/or weekend road tripper in the NE, where the roads suck in the spring and are under construction all summer. Also probably has better baggage options. Backpack commuting sucks.

[@24kabuki]

My Desert Sled has 2 rider modes. Love it. Just traded in my S1000RR and Super Duke R but kept the Duc.

[@Shinysideup]

Awesome comparison, I have the scrambler icon Dark and a triumph street twin love them both but for different reasons, the scrambler is way more engaging to ride. And the street twin as you say is buttery smooth.

[@tobyey9134]

To the chap whom I talked to in one of the last street scrambler videos and who said we need a desert sled comparison: there ya go lad

[@gerryryan2302]

I had the Ducati ...didn’t get along with it or bond with ...I now have the triumph 1200 scrambler XE ...ok it’s a lot bigger heavier and expensive , but best decision I ever made , that’s not saying the ducs bad , I just didn’t enjoy it ...

[@adventuretimemoto]

Great video 👌. You covered all the key points for someone looking at these bikes. Triumph needs to step up the little scramblers, but there's not very many trails between starbucks and urban outfitters.

[@paint1016]

I was choosing between the triumph scrambler, Ducati nightshift, and the Triumph Bonneville T100. All very cool, but I went with the T100

[@tristinmiller1277]

Any Ducati vs Triumph is a very hard Decision, my two favorite bikes are the monster & Bonneville.

[@georgeperkins4171]

Ducatis, like all italian stuff goes fast but breaks alot. Reference shadtree's ducati fiasco.

[@LARGO125]

Let's be honest, these bikes are about style over function. If I'm spending this kind of money for a bike to take on trails I'm buying a T7 or a 790 duke. Or spending 3k more for an Africa twin. If I was looking at these 2 bikes, it comes down to the old motorcycle question, the Triumph moves my soul just looking at it, the Duc does not.

[@chromeandthrottle175]

Not a fair comparison. A non ducati scrambler is a better comparison to a street scrambler. Desert sled vs XE or XC is the only comparison that can be done.

[@charlesdavoine4382]

Even on road the ducati is one of the funnest bikes to ride. It’s hilarious to go in to a corner, nail the throttle and come flying out

[@leecogher6721]

I own a Husaberg 390 FE off-road based motorcycle and a Scrambler 900 and although I have taken the Triumph off-road, that's not what it is designed for. The Triumph is a great commuter/weekend and posing bike.

[@bundunett3212]

I am considering a scrambler but am leaning to the standard Ducati Scrambler Icon, looks to be more comparable to the Triumph. Also, costs less. DS is longer and heavier, suits taller riders. But I do like the DS, I'm conflicted.

[@psychepass]

Its all good until the maintenance bills start coming in, then you know which one is better 😬

[@imnotimpressedbyourperform2460]

Lol they are both outrageous

[@patrickburford5432]

I have a mildly built, 2015 Ducati scrambler classic w nearly 12,000 on My miles. Tough ,off-road miles. Yeah, I like good tires and they are expensive but normal cleaning and maintenance as well as Normal Ducati service isn’t. It’s a relatively low tech engine with tons of character. Valve adjustments on these cost more than most people think Because you have to Get the gas tank out-of-the-way, to do it.

[@jasonhotchkiss3553]

The desert sled and the street scrambler just don't compare you have to do it with the XC regardless of engine size. Come on bro.

[@Mr100asd]

I'm an old school Triumph Tiger cub guy. Had higher expectation of the Triumph. Ducati, my opinion, best bang for the buck. Ride safe guys ..

[@failscalator]

It's funny you bring up being unable to get into neutral. When I had the Urban Enduro I found it was imposible sometimes to actually get down into 1st from 2nd, or vice versa, where it'd get stuck in neutral for either an additional click (if that would even work) or sometimes requiring taking out a bit of clutch/rolling/throttling to get it to click into gear. Admittedly I'd rather be stuck 'in' a gear rather than neutral, but still....such a strange gearbox.

[@archer8096]

Both nice. Triumph wins though for me as the service intervals are 10,000 miles apart and also doesn’t have the horrid desmo service…

[@francescoguzzetta]

The Triumph is a design 15 years older than the Ducati. It was launched around 2000...

[@Zoldengunner]

1:55 translation: the XE is way better and i dont want my ducati to lose.

[@yammienoob]

> Price and displacement

[@Zoldengunner]

@@yammienoob true, but if you consider utility per monetary unit, dosent it make the XE better? or you think the optimal package is in the sled even in this case? (ty for the rplly :D )

[@halfinger912]

10:34 but scrambler is stylish and pretty to look at while dual sport is.. sometimes appearance isnt number 1

[@jessepowell4435]

I am so bummed y’all never got around to reviewing/discussing the Speed Twin....

[@Firestorm637]

So many great bikes the past 3-4 years. Many of the specs are Similar and all very reliable as it is rare to be stuck on the side of the road with early warnings and limp modes of new bikes. Pick by what pulls your heart strings. V2’s and triples are great for both torque and horsepower

[@smiley50ish]

Just came from your triumph review so i knew your choice lol still watched . great vid think the word street compared to desert is the giveaway for me love from wales uk

[@KeepItSimpleSailor]

I have an infatuation with the Desert Sled. Any suggestions for something that is similar but smaller and more affordable - maybe around 650cc. The Triumph 400x is on the radar, but motor probably under sized.

[@my2cents395]

What might help with choice is the dealer. All things being equal, choose the best dealer.

[@ajinomoto831]

Sir please also mention metric units while explaining specifications. It makes it easier for a lot of us.

[@RikkiRockettsLegendTripping]

Love my Desert Sled! Had a 2016 Bonnie Scrambler as well. Sticking with the Desert Sled!

[@everardovillagrana3091]

It didn’t seem like it could do well in snow and ice last week but ok

[@Mr_Eyeholes]

I'm sure it would do just fine with studded tires like any sane person would use in those conditions.

[@crp9985]

@@Mr_Eyeholes NO. The problem is both of those bikes are too heavy to screw around in snow for the skill level of that rider. Even with a guy who knew what to do, both of those bikes would be hard to handle. BTW I don't know of any motorcycle tires that you can buy with studs? For ice racing etc. you take the wheel off and screw through the inside of the tires to give you spikes.

[@Mr_Eyeholes]

@@crp9985 NO. I didn't claim there were pre-studded tires, did I? Seems we both know how to accomplish that if need be, though. You're entitled to your opinions while I'll be enjoying my Goldwing Ice Racer Edition (that isn't too heavy for ME to handle) while cruising over the frozen tundra.

[@monkmoto1887]

@@crp9985 lighter bikes are worse in the snow. Makes the studs less effective too. KZbin yourself some harely ice racing and feel bad about yourself