Yanagi OR Lighter? Value Discussion - Two Potentially Incredible Units ZZZ Zenless Zone Zero

[@thomasnguyen4427]

i appreciate the devs not furthering fomo by implementing forced faction requirements for bonuses/rewards, like many other gacha/mobile/character collector games. Faction is only relevant, objectively, for in-game combat, and on only a single factor in a unit’s kit.

[@silverflamingegg]

Ceasar's passive working in basically every team is awesome

[@acuilnos]

There is potential for the way tag teams are being implemented (like Ben and Koleda) but they might keep it limited to an S rank and an A rank. Only time will tell, personally I'm hoping for a Zhu Yuan and Qingyi one anyway.

[@bukojoetheslapsoils8273]

@@silverflamingegg Most teams, not all.

[@bukojoetheslapsoils8273]

True, but I still find it annoying to see her passive having 0 synergy at all with any Victoria member at all.

[@sk3tch776]

i appreciate that your videos are not labelled.. "must pull" as soon as the characters come out..

[@AverageLuckGamer]

If I ever say “must pull,” it will actually mean “must pull.” So I’ll probably never say it…

[@sk3tch776]

@@AverageLuckGamer good to hear.. i see "must pull" being thrown around even before we know much about the characters.. its like every new s-rank character that comes out.. is "must pull"...seems like a marketing thing or something...

[@robertlaidlaw4592]

Honestly, other than getting 1 of the 3 released DPS's none of the characters even feel like that huge account buffs. ZZZ hasn't done the best job of making characters seem worth it IMO.

[@cristianalfonso7594]

​@robertlaidlaw4592 lol zhu yuan made my account beat shyu for the first time, and Jane doe made me able to 3 star everything. You have to look at your account and pull for what you need and what appeals to you. They are filling gaps now, you can bet that Ellen will be the first powercrept unit since Miyabi is coming

[@sk3tch776]

@@robertlaidlaw4592 are all the anomaly characters considered dps now? burnice and yanagi?

[@Orphic77]

The male S rank drought was crazy, my body- I mean account is ready for Lighter.

[@AverageLuckGamer]

Let's go!

[@AnotherAyushRaj]

too bad hes a stunner. I wanted him to be attack so bad

[@jayden9287]

​@@AnotherAyushRaj Stunners have more upfield time then DPS so we can spend more time looking at his abs

[@kiraflo98]

@@AnotherAyushRaj no male attacker S ranks allowed

[@rhythmblack3830]

​@AnotherAyushRaj at least he wont be powercrept right away

[@zachary_gongaga]

watch lighter have better personal damage than soldier 11

[@AverageLuckGamer]

Holy shizzle!

[@mouthwashjones6400]

That’d be kinda on brand xD that’ll get me to pull for him lol

[@SwitchbackCh]

S11 seems suited for consistent DPS but given Lighter's punchy weapon, he might be a more bursty type?

[@nagichwaan]

​@@SwitchbackCh also, I'm considering him having an AOE skill. Buff, debuff, cc and stun from Caesar and off field damage (fire/burn) from Burnice or Damage buff from Lucy or def shred from Nicole makes him a monster DPS imo.

[@Rookmai]

To be fair, that's not very hard to accomplish.

[@Exaar]

I think the logic Hoyo is following is that they are developing the characters to work well thematically and mechanically within their own faction, and then filling out the factions rather than filling out the types. For example, we first got Ellen, who completed VH. Then we got Zhu Yuan, followed by Seth, Qinyi, and Jane, which completes NEPS. Now we're getting Cesar, Burnice, and Lighter all in a row, which together with Piper and Lucy completes Sons of Calydon. With Yanagi up next, I imagine 1.4 will be Miyabi and the bow dude from Section 6 to complete that faction. I dont necessarily AGREE with this choice, as I think filling out the types/elements would be better for gameplay for the reasons you mentioned. But I think this is the method they are using and would expect to see it continue this way.

[@V-vision]

The thing is, these aren't mutually exclusive. Especially this early on, there's no reason it couldn't have been planned for each new release to fulfill missing faction members, types, and elements at the same time. Since all content is playable anyway, I'm not upset about it, but it's kind of odd that it wasn't planned in a way that these things aren't all satisfied at once

[@AverageLuckGamer]

Yeah, it is what they’re going for but from a first glance perspective, before we have character info (like now) it does make these characters seem kinda underwhelming.

[@khoinguyenpham9250]

Me waiting for more Obol squad 😴

[@gunzkiller101]

This is pretty much the theory, I and others believe as well.

[@stormix5755]

@@AverageLuckGamerI believe they should’ve given us a few more four stars at the beginning of the game to fill out more niche roles like Ether defence. But having all the sons of Calydon be fire or physical makes sense in the story

[@bananaman7637]

Hoyo aren't shooting themselves in the foot. If this game is gonna last a long while we shouldn't be tearing through every option available. What concerns me is the lack of A ranks.

[@AverageLuckGamer]

Fair point.

[@zeroisnine]

Yes, but having only 2 rate up A ranks does mean you likely can get/mindscape them easier

[@DrAnimePhD]

Apparently Lighter was originally gonna be A Rank but they decided to make him S Rank instead, and the next new agents for the forseeable future are all S Ranks If they’re gonna add so many S Ranks, then either the rates should be improved or pity reworked

[@dualathloner]

​@@DrAnimePhD They will never "improve pity", they want to turn people into gambling addicts

[@forcodingg1287]

I mean, Maybe the Reason on the Lack of A Rank Because we Just need 6 Character instead of 8 like other hoyo games. That also mean, This game is Cheaper compared to others.

[@Nephanor]

Yeah, we definitely need more Ether agents. Having just two is kinda nuts, and I really like your idea for Lighter, that is awesome, and I REALLY like the idea of Yanagi as an off field damage. I am DEFINITELY going for Burnice though, I need fire in my roster more, don't have Soldier 11 or Koleda yet.

[@AverageLuckGamer]

Moar ether!

[@nyaaalex]

My guess is that down the line they’ll make the Elysia-looking character into a really hyped Ether agent of some sort.

[@Nephanor]

@@nyaaalex I'm actually hoping that Miyabi is ether, and all the guesses as to her being ice are wrong

[@nyaaalex]

@@Nephanor I wouldn’t mind that, honestly. Although I did skip Ellen for Zhu Yuan and could use an Ice agent 😅

[@SwitchbackCh]

It's interesting to observe ZZZ's class-element distribution compared to previous Hoyo titles: 5 elements x 5 classes = 25 combinations. Meanwhile Genshin has 7 elements x 5 weapons = 35 combinations & Star Rail's 7 elements x 7 Paths = 49 combinations. This makes the gaps in ZZZ's roster more noticeable, but they sort of mitigated this by not making element weaknesses as integral as in previous titles.

[@alexferrier5732]

They also mitigated it by having teams of 3 instead of 4. So they really don't have to create as many combinations for now

[@zeroisnine]

??? It's more integral than both Genshin and Star Rail

[@papacharlie-niner148]

I don't play the other games, but element weakness is pretty darn important in ZZZ.

[@mitchsz]

It's important actually because of anomaly damage

[@Jl994-f5u]

Can't they just add a new element later like light/majestic? What's stopping them?

[@xDidddle]

I think lighter is going to be the first stun attacker. Like how Ceaser is basically a defence and a stun unit. I think light is going to be a stunner that can also deal alot of damage on its own. Kinda like what anby was meant to be, with all her self buffs and shit.

[@SlickEvan]

Every time I select Zhu Yuan, in the back of my mind, I think "I'm surprised there isn't an Ether stunner...or ether anything," but I guess I'll give them their time. Hopefully they're cooking. So far they've been killer with the characters, they all look so cool, to the point I'm sad I'm not a whale lol. And the Anomaly buff could be kind of cool.

[@papacharlie-niner148]

I guess because Nicole was free and in your roster before IK 10, they figure Ether is covered for now.

[@virtualmartini]

Nicole is awesome but yeah.

[@res6148]

Its never happening but im coping ether anomaly miyabi

[@schrodingersbeer4751]

So this actually establishes an interesting pattern, with odd numbered patches having 2 S Ranks that upgrade existing combinations, and even numbered patches having unique combinations. 1.0 had Ellen and Zhu Yuan who were both unique combinations. 1.1 had Qingyi and Jane who had the same combinations as Anby and Piper respectively. 1.2 will have Caesar and Burnice who are both unique combos. And now 1.3 will have Lighter and Yanagi who share Type-Class combinations with Koleda and Grace respectively. This plus Yanagi's rumored anomaly support aspect leads me to lend a little more credence to the Miyabi as an Ice Anomaly character

[@socialreveluv5428]

Didn't realise this before but I think that is probably just a coincidence.

[@DarkSoraKing]

I don't think we're going to see ether types till we get past the established characters, maybe Soldier 11's squad and further like the idol squad they'll start filtering them in.

[@AverageLuckGamer]

You're probably right but I can dream.

[@externalhardrive]

imo people are overreacting with lighter being a stunner. It’s not even a “replace existing cast” issue because if he were fire attacker he’d also be replacing s11. Are people just more okay with powercreeping DPS than with supports for some reason? Also people are treating stunners like healers in HSR, where you just need 2 of them since elements don’t matter. In ZZZ matching elements increases daze buildup substantially so you actually want a stunner of each element.

[@papacharlie-niner148]

Then that argues for an ether stunner next, not another fire stunner.

[@GigondSuperGnom]

how does matching elements increase daze buildup?

[@externalhardrive]

@@papacharlie-niner148 I agree. If your gripe with him is that he should be ether/physical stun, then I agree. However, my main criticism is that people's main gripe with him is not that he should be a ether stunner, but rather that he should be a fire attacker, when fire attacker is already a filled role as well. But people seem to have no problem with overlapping a filled role if it's attacker, but does have a problem if it's stun. This is the inconsistency that I am pointing out.

[@externalhardrive]

@@GigondSuperGnom Just like how attribute weakness/resistance affects damage dealt, it also affects daze dealt and anomaly applied. It's just a multiplier in the daze/anomaly formula. If you want an in-depth explanation, jstern25 did a video on it. You can also search up the damage/daze/anomaly formula and look up enemy stats yourself to verify.

[@GigondSuperGnom]

@@externalhardrive makes sense

[@FireFarmer123]

Me stacking three off-field anomaly characters so I don't have to play the game

[@AverageLuckGamer]

Actually could work lmao.

[@so-toa9758]

Anyone who's played Grace knows she's absolutely abysmal at applying anomaly if she isn't given ample on-field time. An off-field anomaly agent, despite having the same element, is going to be a completely different playstyle to her. Anyone who's played Koleda knows she's mostly a swap-stunner as in you parry, do some dodges, and then EX into a stun unlike Anby, Qingyi, or (to a lesser degree) Lycaon who all want more time on-field. Another fire stunner might actually pair nicely together with her. Dev just gives an update that ult meter is going to be separate starting from 1.4 and nothing beats stunning and chain attacks to fill that. We don't have any team that spams chain attacks yet. Element coverage is way too over-rated when more and more agents work by typing basis (ZY who needs supports, for example) and enemies aren't that diverse yet. You can't go around with conscience and say anyone from the roster wants an Ether anomaly or an Ice anomaly, can you?

[@ExcessumGaming]

Yeah she was my first S rank character I was even unlucky to get her to E3.... and i even got her S rank weapon. And she is still total shit damage. Its main reason why i dont like anomaly characters.

[@papacharlie-niner148]

Yeah, I agree about being okay with Grace getting replaced, even though I've invested heavily in her. But I don't think ALG is right that Yanagi will be off-field electric. I think it's Harumasa that will be the off-field support agent, kind of like Rina. I disagree that element coverage is over-rated, not with how weakness/resistance gatekeeps end-game S-rank clears.

[@DyneTyrreal]

@@papacharlie-niner148 Grace is an odd one, you have to have her on field a lot but I feel like her damage is consistently good if you are lobbying the grenades whenever your zap is full and this is even outside of the enemy being stunned, and her defensive assist does a lot of anomaly build up as well, but she is definitely not a burst type character can can be switched into and out of quickly. Jane Doe obviously does a lot more though as an anomaly character but I don't know if Jane is the new standard or just a bit broken, we will begin to get a good idea of where Anomaly dps is meant to average out once Burnice is released

[@elijahswanson619]

I do think lighter being a buffer like you said is really cool, but I really would like for him to do what the others haven’t. Be a dps.i know that sounds kinda out there, but ZZZ has no problem with having out of the ordinary kit designs that break the norm. Also rumors say his W-engine is very dmg oriented. I really want him so I can play him with my Burnice.

[@mf2854]

Disagree on quickly filling in gaps in agent types and roles. You don't want fomo to feel oppressive. Type matchups matter and if they fill in the gaps quickly one after another, you can easily start to feel like you need to pull to every new character. If I have a Grace and that makes me feel I have the role covered, it's good that I can comfortably skip Yanagi. It also means SD will continue to have a tight knit spread of weaknesses/resistances that a higher % of the player base can cover. During Yanagi's banner, those who invested in Grace can expect the SD buffs to also work in their favour.

[@BladetastersDelight]

Yeah big agree. The main reason I was able resist Jane Doe was because I didn’t want my Piper to be made redundant. And this worked out best for me since it means I can grab both the Calydon girls now

[@papacharlie-niner148]

That's a good point that I hadn't appreciated. I'm low spend, so I need some breaks. Limited agents that are only incremental over existing agents are needed skips, like Qingyi vs. Anby. However, I still worry about being gatekept from end-game rewards by attribute weakness/resistance combos. Like a fire resist/ether or ice weak set of bosses would suck for my account for 1.2 thru 1.3, because I don't have ZY or Ellen.

[@Salmon_Toastie]

@@BladetastersDelightAnd the opposite for me, I didn’t invest in piper at all and wanted Seth M6 so getting Jane was going to happen regardless.

[@hyrulechicken4752]

Not to be another Miyabi guy but it is worth mentioning that with the introduction of a section 6 unit she could be there in the next few patches which adds another layer of discussion on saving and who to pull for. Like if Lighter is insane I'll consider depending on my prospective polys, but its also possible that yanagi will be designed to work well with Miyabi as they are from the same faction so having them both sounds good to me. Maybe I'll have enough poly after this patch to maybe try for more than I think, but it feels like units from the same faction are designed to work well together so Yanagi's kit might lean forward TLDR: I dunno guess I'll wait and see

[@bradlydorsey6864]

I'm a guy that also enjoys the game more that looking at butts too, and I just wanna say that the two characters ik MOST excited for and WILL get are Lighter and Harumasa. They look SOO good and they look like so much fun

[@AverageLuckGamer]

I think Haramasa's kit has potential to be so cool, from what we've seen in trailers etc.

[@taru5156]

yeah, harumasa's weapon is cool probably like childe with 2 stance, bow and melee.

[@thekaibenz]

they needa add more Obol squad agents

[@marcusbullock2753]

You need merch called “Lycoan Subscribe”

[@AverageLuckGamer]

YES

[@Dave_Chrome]

I imagine the Lycaon subscribe would be kicking the button lmao

[@abdullahumar8752]

0:10 Just for confirmation, its was not revealed today, but someone leaked it about 2 weeks ago in a web i'm not familiar with, 1.3 wil be Yanagi and Lighter, 1.4 will be Harumasa and Miyabi

[@Hofniel]

in that very order? so Lighter is in the second half of 1.3 and Harumasa right after him?

[@muizxmuiz]

Lighter! coz husbando!

[@AverageLuckGamer]

Based take.

[@Uhhneri]

Frrr this game has so much female fanservice it's actually annoying

[@N3V3RLookBack]

If lighter ends up being a good anomaly focused stunner who likes having field time, that could be huge for having 2 anomaly agents that like to be off field. I could see crazy disorder damage during the stun window as both anomaly agents come in with their lingering buff on chaos jazz.

[@Just_an_urn]

My hot take: Yanagi should have been an ice anomaly instead or electric to work with Soukaku (I don't see any coming soon either... )

[@silverflamingegg]

Some people have theorized that miyabi will be ice anomaly

[@D3zhumer]

Ice anomaly doesnt make sense game wise. Triggering ice has 2 parts and it increases crit dmg/ crit rate, something that anomalies simply do not use. They really have to bend the current mechanics to make ice anomaly work

[@silverflamingegg]

@@D3zhumer that's something that they can easily make a character mechanic. Jane already has a mindscape that makes it so her anomaly can crit.

[@D3zhumer]

@@silverflamingegg yea, and it has fixed crit dmg and anomaly crit rate scales with proficiency. An advantage of anomalies is that you need atk and ap to make it work. Imagine having a character that requires atk ap crit dmg crit rate. Basically needs perfect disks to work

[@AverageLuckGamer]

Yeah then people would have been scrambling about what Miyabi could be lol.

[@k_aesar]

thank you for your videos man you're genuinely the best zzz content creator rn, that said I won't be pulling either because I will be BROKE!!!

[@AverageLuckGamer]

Thank you so much! Also totally fair.

[@thegamewoods8473]

While I understand people being concerned about doubling up on the agent roles with standard banner units, as someone who had to wait over 3 years for a SINGLE copy of Mona in Genshin I'm not adverse to them just making that role easily available. Like, I'm missing S11 and Neko in my account. Say I pick S11 at 300 standard pulls, there's a chance I just, never get a Neko ever. I've been playing since launch in Star Rail and I still don't have Yanqing or Bailu, standard banner units are surprisingly fickle.

[@SwitchbackCh]

Very true, honestly even lowering the limit from 300 to 200 isn't too much to ask for given how fast the standard units will lose their shine by then.

[@thegamewoods8473]

@@SwitchbackCh On one hand I agree with you, on the other, the time it takes to get to 300 pulls is kinda genius because by then we have a much better idea about whos good and whos not

[@No-XIV-Xion]

Bro i essentially waited until the free 5 Star to get Jean. I have 2-3 constellations fot Mona, Diluc, and QiQi. I never saw Jean and came back to Genshin just to grab her for my account. Genuinely hate that this can happen. Ive gotten 1 of each 5 star thankfully, and am just missing Nekomata and S11. But i really wish theyd let us always pick a guaranteed one at 300.

[@VetoShizu]

I'm actually interested in both characters tbh lol. This the first time a male character interest me in Zenless. Yanagi I had my eyes on since she appeared in the story. Welp I guess I'm just gonna try to M4 Piper then in the waiting room lol.

[@Phantom19-YT]

If Lighter kit is gonna be good then I might pull for him otherwise I will skip him and Yanagi.

[@nickeIdime]

Man i'm glad i found your channel, you have the best content on ZZZ for info like this, cheers!

[@GameGingo]

Really stumped about Lighter being a stunner instead of an attacker. I'm also confused why Yanagi was shown off first in the drip marketing. Wouldn't they want to be done with the Calydon members before they move on to Section 6? Weird decision if they stick to that schedule, and kinda painful for me, because I planned on pulling Burnice AND Yanagi. If Yanagi now drops right after Burnice, I'm not sure I can get her.

[@BladetastersDelight]

There were rumours that Lighter was changed from an A rank to an S rank based on early leaks. If this is true, my theory is that they gave him stun properties to elevate him to S rank because they probably already have plans for who they want as their premium dps and didn’t want to add another one. And was probably easier adding stun to his kit instead

[@gunzkiller101]

Think it because they are trying to get Miyabi since people are really hoping to get her. Plus I think they just want to get as much fractions out there as it more interesting vs same theme character from one fraction.

[@BenAhya]

I think he's gonna be sub dps stunner since from leaks his m2 will increase his attack by 4% and can be stacked to 80, his m6 will increase his attack by 130%

[@Patricko22]

wow I'm SO glad that I didn't build my Koleda yet I can already tell that I will pull Lighter Lighter, Solider 11 and Lucy sounds awesome

[@AverageLuckGamer]

Heck yeah!

[@Thrill_Wolf]

i’m kind of a whale cuz i will spend to guarantee characters i want and not pull copies of s rank characters, but i still find your videos valuable to help me decide where i want to spend

[@AverageLuckGamer]

You're welcome! Thanks for the support (I just say the whale thing because it caught on, you're very much welcome here).

[@papacharlie-niner148]

FWIW, I'm pretty sure Harumasa is going to be the off-field electric damage agent, based on the little glimpses of Harumasa's and Yanagi's combat we get in the Foliage Hunt commission. One of them, Harumasa or Yanagi, left a minefield of electric mines standing, six of them in a circle around the target. It's possible it was Yanagi who left the mines behind, but you see Yanagi swing her long bladed weapon at an enemy a few times, so she seems more on-field from that. Of course, I could be imagining all of this, since I was pretty busy keeping my team alive during that commission and the Sec 6 helpers only appear for a couple of seconds at a time. Basically a huge tease.

[@mina-oi9yk]

LOL have U been told yet that your intro is sooooo catchy I repeat you whenever you say it’s so whimsical I can’t explain it I love Ur channel

[@kyleswisher9436]

I love your style. Thanks for the consistently awesome content! You're killing it dude!

[@jodisauls6787]

Great content man the only reason I've been strong enough to resist pulling on every sexy character is thx to you So yeah yanagi and miyabi here I come🎉🎉🎉 (Honestly more excited for yanagi)

[@AverageLuckGamer]

Glad I could help!

[@the_uns33n]

Koleda is my first S agent and since I only started recently and could realy use more S agents (thanks to me getting and S weapon as my second guarantee) I might just use 1.3 as a skip patch after getting both in 1.2.

[@sadpocky3391]

Nice vid. I do greatly agree about how they're not really filling in the gaps. I feel like they just want to go by factions right now, regardless of the fact that it might cause a bunch of overlap. It's a solid idea, have some patches focus on 1 faction, then have another patch be half of one faction & the other. But I feel like we will be filling in the roster very slowly, and won't see an element in every role even by some time like 2.0 as a result. It feels nicer so that you can technically "pull for what you want", rather than what your account desperately needs since there are multiple substitutes...but I wish there were more characters that were A-ranks to help fill out the blanks. If you missed Ellen or Zhu Yuan's banner, you're kind of forced to use substitutes in other elements. There aren't any other ice or ether attackers/anomalies. Technically, you could build supports/stunners as a DPS, but it still kind of sucks that there aren't any A-ranks for those element/archetype combos. Meanwhile, we have like 3 physical A-ranks that can be used as DPS.....

[@shen_jiunong]

I wonder about the gaps in character types as well. Seems so weird to not focus on

[@AverageLuckGamer]

It's such obvious value as well! As opposed to having to sell people on already existing type combinations. *sigh*

[@BladetastersDelight]

⁠@@AverageLuckGamer to be fair, being f2p it’s better getting all these overlapping character types because it makes it much easier to skip the ones who’s role I’ve got covered already. Also makes me believe Miyabi will be pure dps at this point, anomaly a cope

[@ultimateidiot2344]

Pulling for Lighter because he's cool as hell and because he's the first S rank male, as someone that likes men skipping him would be a crime. I also don't have Koleda (or any other Stunners, just Anby) and the only standard character I have is Soldier 11, everything else I got was the damn balls, so he would be nice for me :]

[@alexoceanmeow]

Lighter looks so good 😍 I'm sad I won't have any pulls for Caesar, Bernice, and probably him too. Hoyo have taken all 140 saved pulls I had for Jane. :/ Been wanting Yanagi so hopefully I can save up 90 pulls again for her and then cycle around to the Sons of Calydon to pull when they come back around.

[@titaochen5249]

Your prediction on Lighter's kit could be spot on, I will definitely keep an eye out for him cus I'm loving the anomaly characters

[@KumaOso16]

I think Hoyo is going in part for playstyle differences and therefore how the different team members affect a comp. Burnice seems like she's going to be like Lucy where you she does her EX and swaps out. Compare that to Grace, Piper, and Jane who pretty much want a lot of field time to do their work. Secondary core passives are also going to be important to consider. Piper can team up with Caesar and both get a bonus because of factions and/or matching elements. Meanwhile, Jane needs another NEPS character or another anomaly character to get her bonus so her full synergy options are more limited. All in all, I think we have to consider field time and what value a given character brings to a comp and what enemies are weak to. Grace and Piper are on screen DPS that can shred shields faster than Anton and Nekomata respectively. Jane pretty much screams made to have an off-screen anomaly for rapid disorder. Defense characters are decided largely on what their buffs bring, especially Ben who needs to meet a rather easy secondary requirement thanks to Calydon and Belobog. Caesar is great for units that don't wait for stun while Ben provides boosted crit for those that do. Then there's Seth who buffs anomaly units regardless of playstyle.

[@hallyuniverse]

2:03 they're also by far the easiest DPS characters to build, since they don't require Crit substats. Have the right main stats and your build is like 90% optimal, only really min-maxing with ATK%/AP/Pen substat rolls.

[@burningfox4974]

1.2 will def include trials for Burnie, Cesar, and Lighter so you got time to plan ahead. As for pulls per banner, for $20 (monthly sub and battlepass), you’d get roughly 140 Pulls. So if you get lucky and get a S-Rank around 70 pulls in per banner than that’s 2 S Ranks, allowing you to skip a 50-50 if you focus 1 agent.

[@fizzybombTV]

I just pulled Jane, HOURS before her banner ended. Seeing Yanagi down the line has confirmed my decision that I'll need to skip Caesar and cash in on Burnice. I think I'll really want Yanagi as I don't have Grace yet either and would love another Sector 6 agent to pair with Soukaku.

[@Dave_Chrome]

ayyy good stuff I did something similar, pulling 10 on the weapon banner after remembering ALGs vid on Seth's w-engine. I got it in the first 10 and was able to pull out of the banner just like that lol

[@woootskie]

Its just a skip patch overall, specially if you already have Grace/Koleda. Hoyo actually helping you save for Miyabi

[@GamingTechUnited]

Even then, if Miyabi is an Ice Attack Unit like some are theorizing, that even further pushes ALG's complaints. We'd be making limited banner characters compete while having such big holes elsewhere.

[@santinogoring8860]

your high fam, Yanagi/Lighter shits all over Grace/Koleda they are straight up upgrades

[@furytheredhead]

I'm kinda hyped tbh because both 1.2 and 1.3 lineups now look like complete skips for me so I'mma be loaded up on Poly by the time Miyabi comes \o/

[@katsups]

I'm definitely going for Burnice and now Lighter! I hope they work together well especially since they are the same faction

[@marcelodsk9923]

I would be screwed with Lighter anyway, as i run both Koleda and Soldier 11

[@AverageLuckGamer]

I mean... he might make them better though...

[@marcelodsk9923]

@@AverageLuckGamer I hope he is some kind of hybrid

[@AntiNihilist]

I never knew this was a decision to be made since I've only been waiting for Yanagi since pre release

[@dudemetslagroom8065]

Lighter could work really well for the Piper enthusiasts that didn't pull for Jane (not me though... i couldn't resist the rat)

[@AverageLuckGamer]

(me neither)

[@dudemetslagroom8065]

@@AverageLuckGamer i even had a piper team (to level 50) to... I could have saved myself some pulls for sure but like... THICC RAT!

[@GamingTechUnited]

5:35 yep, HUGE agree here. Super frustrating to see them "replacing" agents when we have so many holes. And it's even more frustrating with the rumors that Miyabi is an ICE ATTACK UNIT. Why are we making limited banner characters compete ALREADY??? We have so many holes still. Definitely something I'll be putting in my survey.

[@chillax319]

Miya would be better off as an ice anomaly instead.

[@phanron8382]

I have a theory that Lighter wasn't meant to be S- rank but A-rank at first giving people a F2P option for a fire stunner. But then somewhere late in development Mihoyo got cold feet and feared to lose the Husbando enjoyers so they made him S-rank instead.

[@AverageLuckGamer]

Yes! In the survey!

[@Salmon_Toastie]

@@chillax319Shatter anomaly ice would be awesome for Miyabi.

[@res6148]

Miyabi might be ice or ether anom instead

[@cawashka]

I have a fully built Grace but I’ll still go for Yanagi. I absolutely love her character design. People will say she looks mid because she doesn’t have a gazillion accessories on her but that simplicity is exactly what I love. Skipping 1.2 for her & the rest of S6

[@mkarts3881]

Precisely More =/= better design

[@ramoninoodles]

still waiting for another ether character bc i missed zhu😮‍💨

[@DaedLizrad]

Personally I think the ability to do off field damage isnt with Yanagi but Harumasa, the dude with a bow, and since he's got a bow, I think its very likely he's an off field electric dps. As for Yanagi Im not 100% but Im guessing shes more like Jane, that or both Her and Harumasa will be off fielder and that seems a bit bonkers.

[@yoshineitor]

Looks like a pull for Ceasar and save for Miyabi (if she is Ice DPS or Electro DPS,) for me, I already have a mono-electric and mono-fire team with a decently equipped Grace and Soldier 11 respectively. I don't like the idea of grinding ANOTHER anomaly electric unit and Ben builds decent stun for me with his cheap 1 bar assist counters and powercreeping Anton seems far away unless Miyabi comes as electric, but that would be funny as it would mean only Ben from Belobog didn't get directly powercrept.

[@joametz]

Am I the only one that enjoys the "find Lycaon" minigame?

[@AverageLuckGamer]

I’m glad someone notices lol.

[@acuilnos]

On one hand, I agree that it is a bit weird that Hoyo isn't filling in the gaps when it comes to classes and types. It would make sense if they were at least fulfilled by A ranks until we get an S rank equivalent. On the other hand, as long as players can clear the majority of the content in the game, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that banners are skippable, especially for F2P/low spenders. Every skip is more pulls saved for a character you really want, and it's not a huge deal if you treat ZZZ as a side game, which seems to be what Hoyo is going for judging by the pacing. My biggest gripe so far is that story stages are still way too easy. Enemies die in mere seconds before you get a chance to try out the characters' kit, and it feels like their levels aren't properly scaled.

[@IO-hh3gw]

I love Lighter but if he isn't going to give me something new that Koleda Ben combo doesn't give I might have to skip him cuz KoledaBen combo is crazy when it comes to stunning enemies and plus Ben provides Crit Rate for the Mono Fire team with Soldier 11

[@robertkazim3910]

Your account is very similar to mine, I am following you with great interest, lol. I also have Zhu Yuan and Jane (although spent all on her W-engine) and plan to pull Burnice and Lighter

[@barcelona2356]

I honestly believe for us that are not whales it’s great they using same tipe of characters since I have koleda and grace I’m skipping lighter and yanagi. I’m going for the diversity in my squads like you said today I’m going for Caesar ( first defense s rank ) . I might even go burnice since I know the next 2 .since I don’t have fire anomaly . Waiting for stun ether . Defense ice etc

[@bebopknux5857]

My general thoughts are pretty much the same with your rant. So at best all I want is for Lighter to be good so the first S rank Guy after lycan isn't just koldea with extra steps. I don't really like Soilder 11 gameplay so, if I had to use him. It'd probably be on the sons of Calydon team (or more depending on his requirement for his second ability)

[@nicholasmelashvili1834]

Im so confused on what to do know, I have Zhu Yuan and nekomata as S ranks and m5 Soukaku and m4 Nicole and m5 Piper as main A ranks, and so far theres been not a single S rank worthy for me to pull. Im only thinking about possibly saving up for yanagi

[@wojas991]

Hoyo not filling the gaps of agent typings is what can actually kill my desire to play the game, i started playing in the middle of Qingyi banner and not knowing better I all in pulled for her even after losing the 50/50 but by some miracle got Koleda and Soldier 11 from the standard banner so im currently sitting on S11/Koleda/Lucy team and my 2nd team is ultra scuffed with BillyC6/Qingyi/Nicole. At this point any limited attack agent would save me but they are going all in on the anomaly agents...I guess all thats left for me is to wait for Zhu Yuan rerun with my 20k+ polychromes, idk...

[@al8704]

Pretty sure hoyo is releasing characters in a way that will keep existing players happy, by having options and saving, and potential new players would have some interesting likeable characters that can carry them during early game. Lighter looks like first character that can apply massive damage and build up daze by himself.

[@bobthebromosapien7496]

As the video progressed I just kept thinking to myself, man I really wish we could see a little more Ether and Ice love. Good to see part way in ALG shared the same thought. Fire and Assualt needed a bit of rounding out but Ether is bone dry. We have one Ether support and one Ether Pure DPS. That is it. Ice has had one premium character at the very start and then the rest are just a Stable S and an A. I believe based on what we can piece together on what is coming in 1.3 with Yanagi and Lighter, Miyabi will likely be 1.4 I feel. Personally, though I would benefit from pulling Caesar and Burnice because I have Jane. I really did not dig Caeser's playstyle at all so I passed on her. Burnice I am 50/50 with but ultimately I do not think she is a MUST pull, just a good pull. I think at present, I want to wait until closer to the very end of Burnice's banner. If we are lucky, we might see some 1.4 drip fed content and some leaks. I would also like more information on what Lighters kit will be. Because I love his design and I kind of want him just to have him. Especially if his kit does end up as a universal buff along with Fire stun. I think that could be huge. Plus I want Miyabi and she might be 1.4. So skipping 1.2 might be the long game play here.

[@sjin1ne]

You can also consider adding Rina to a team with yanagi because of the extra duration time of shock (extra 3 secs), adding the 10% dmg increase with electric units on shocked enemies, alongside with the % penetration buff applied to the team. As for Yanagi, despite liking her design and animation on Hollow Zero I may pass because I have Grace, and I'm pretty interested on Harumasa , his attack animations looked pretty cool too. I also want to try a disorder team with Grace/Rina/Burnice.

[@samuraisoul151]

I started playing ZZZ a week ago, and now, I have collected almost for 120 pulls. Now, I am saving for Yanagi as I keep saving, or even more if possible, for Miyabi.

[@BlobOfZero]

Wish Lighter was an attacker or literally any other class since i just got koleda but oh well 😢

[@constabrielbell4523]

I think attributes isn’t that big of an issue in future teams since the arrival of zhu yuan and qingyi and ceasar it is revealed that activating passives from other sources other than faction and attribute. This could open up disorder comps and would make off field anomaly characters be futureproof.

[@CombatPandaZenlessZoneZero]

Lighter providing an anomaly buff/debuff is a very interesting idea. I wonder how his contribution to the fire anomaly buildup would affect the burn proc

[@sugar-lx1jz]

The lack of Ether agents is so frustrating at this point. Literally can't clear Shiyu defense cuz all i have is a C0 A rank support

[@rizlosamtelaire9271]

Should have pulled for Zhu Yuan dude instead of Sharkgirl or gyat rat girl. I am stomping Shiyu Defense with Zhu Yuan, S ranking everything. I am in a state where I can pull anybody now for fun or complete a another set of team. Or just save pulls for Miyabi honestly hehehe.

[@sugar-lx1jz]

@@rizlosamtelaire9271 Didn't join the game early enough, by the time i join the banner was Quingyi 💀

[@GrayShepard]

I joined ZZZ only a week ago and got unlucky with exclusive S pulls (got Licaon instead). And 1.2 with 1.3 exclusive characters seems very boring to me (I am going for vibes/movesets/design, don't care about buffs min-maxing), so will be going without exclusive chars for quite some time, probably will be spending polychromes on regular pulls to fill in gaps in my roster. Hope 1.4 will have something more interesting.

[@genisystem1485]

It seems like there's a small pattern with character releases, though will see if it continues. In 1.0, limited S ranks were diffefent roles than the standard cast. Then in 1.1, the S ranks shared attribute and class with standard characters. Now in 1.1 we'll be getting new roles again and 1.2 will have shared roles. I imagine that they'll continue to swap back and forth like this for the foreseeable future, though I don't know how 4 stars like Seth will affect things.

[@genisystem1485]

Accidentally put 1.1 in there twice and messed up the order, but the point remains the same.

[@DHYohko]

I think lighter is the new A rank that appears in the second limited banner of the patch alongside Burnice. seth came with Jane on the second banner and releasing new A ranks is always a good thing.

[@revo5124]

Lighter is S rank bruh

[@darkeater600]

I won't doubt that they'll be super fun to play or meta in comparison to characters like Koleda or Grace, but damn. Even if I don't take 1.2 banners into account, I don't want redundant typings with slightly different functions when I have Koleda. It's the same rationale I have for not pulling on Jane Doe since I have Piper. As for Yanagi, well, I don't have Grace but I'm still hesitant on Yanagi since I'm def gonna be dry after pulling for both Caesar and Burnice.

[@snake-eyes211]

I totally agree with everything you said 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Trime8istus]

Even tho I somehow got a M3 Grace on my F2P account I will pull for Yanagi. Grace works in a Jane Disorder team but it's bc she is strong individually, while Jane wants field time constantly. Also, Yanagi is one of the few characters who I still want to obtain before pulling for what generally good, and her two big reasons while I like her she is pretty and badass :)

[@austinn261]

Yanagi is a must pull for me because im a simp and im a polearm fan so shes perfect for me, im gonna whale for her then go completely f2p 🎉

[@jupiter9643]

Lighter as a anomaly buffer/stunt is so hype … fR that a good idea … just have to hope 🙏🏻

[@flynnoflenniken7402]

I'm pulling Yanagi, so my stockpile of polychromes will be depleted during Lighter's banner, but I hope I get lucky and get him too. He's just so cool. I really like him.

[@itsLalm]

I was considering lighter if he was fire attack to expand by elemental covrage, but since he's stun ill probably just skip him. Unless he's secretly a dps or something. Gonna actually end up saving until pulchra at this rate

[@kapaaaau]

I love the rant, ZZZ has not been filling up the gap for characters that do not have a combinations yet (i.e ice-def) and such. or even s-ranks for the love of goodness gracious --- grr

[@socialreveluv5428]

Tbf, at first I wasn't really interested in Section6 at all. After replaying some hard difficulty story mode combats you could get a peek on some of their abilities when they appear on the battlefield out of thin air. I don't know why but electric element characters are really my style, talking only about the animation but now I feel like I have to wait for gameplay leaks of 1.3 characters before deciding to pull for either Caesar or Burnice. Caesar is a huge asset with the ATK buff and shield but Burnice is really fuy to play with the EXE skill. I do have about 36k Polychrome but I'm still uncertain. If we don't get any leaks in the next two weeks I might just pull for Caesar. I think it's a pick you can't go wrong with. There still is a small chance that a character gets released in the near future that will make me regret that decision but that is highly unlikely.

[@Jylstin]

At this point I’m already believing that 1.4 will be the section 6 characters like harumasa and Miyabi. Although I would have loved Yanagi to be a Ether Anomaly Agent and Lighter to be a Attacker, I’m excited to see how hoyo will design them mechanics wise because every Limited S Rank so far has been surprisingly fun to play

[@Lord_Hengar]

I'm really curious about Lighter. On one hand he looks dope and I love his design. On the other, I've be already been running a solid team of Piper, Lucy..... and Koleda. If I pull for Lighter to enhance my existing fire/phys team I might not have the polychrome to pull someone useful for getting either Ether or Ice off the ground.

[@justaduck7186]

Yea I kinda have a hunch that lighter will pair really well with burnice specifically, and if its in the same banner order as they announced it, it would give players who pull for burnice time to save up for lighter.

[@ivanbackfromthecardshop8093]

"Why arent they filling in the gaps?" Because theirs only 25 co.bos to possibly do and if they focused on that they would be done doing by 1.4. They rather save the combos too hype up later characters than to do them all early and have the community start thinking litterally every character from now on will be a repeat

[@Brettlaken]

As of right now there are still 15 combos open for S rank and 17 for A rank. And roles like attack, defender and support can work in wildly different ways, anomaly and stunner have pretty much the same task every time. There is absolutely no point in adding another fire stunner. Maybe if he worked entirely different but almost anything he could do will make Koleda pretty much useless.

[@ivanbackfromthecardshop8093]

@@Brettlaken i dont think dividing ranks like that is a great way too look at it. Them releasing shitty zhu yuan or elen isnt going to be hype just because theyre a ranks now (nor do they even get a solo banner to begin with.) Thats not too say the game will die the moment they get all the s rank combos but like assuming this game last a few years theyll easilly go way past 25 s ranks. And its obvious people really care about new combos lol. So they want to drag out possible hype like that as long as they can. And theyre are ways to differentiate him possibly. He could be like better at aoe like nicole or boost anomoly specifcally to pair with burnice and yanagi better.

[@Brettlaken]

@@ivanbackfromthecardshop8093 When combining S and A ranks we have 10 combos open. My point still stands that Attack, Defender and Support would be much better fit for duplicates since they are dynamic roles (hell we already have 3 physical attackers). Making a duplicate stunner or anomaly will instantly make everyone prioritize the one who can stack anomaly or daze faster, its just sad giving competition to the ONE character that already struggles. Ben is already considered one of the worst agents so if Koleda gets powercrept, she will instantly be the "ugh account reroll" character for new players. Point is they could have made almost any other duplicate combo that wouldn't have this issue :/

[@NAHIDWINx]

Since i already have jane and seth, i really want to focus on my 2nd team. So main dps for the 2nd team is what i am gonna save for. Which is probably going to be miyabi. But i wonder like seth for jane, who will be the best duo for miyabi. Since miyabi is like 3 months away, i think i can pull for one more limited 5 star before miyabi comes

[@gnarlyboyjai]

Kind of in limbo right now because we just don't know anything definitive about miyabi or her kit. ZZZ has leaks on lock compared to genshin and star rail. There was way more info available for future units in those games. If miyabi is an attacker could caeser be good for her? If she's anomaly Burnice would probably be better or Yanagi if yanagi doesn't need a lot of field time...is harumasa actually an attacker or will they just make him a support of some sort like they did changing lighter from attacker to stunner. By the time we know what Miyabi is Caeser's banner will be over and Burnice's banner will have like 3 days left..

[@caruhikari]

i kinda like how theyre going with lighter's fire punchy stun to contrast lycaon's icy kick stun (might just be coincidence), but who knows? ;) Ah, speaking of, if lighter is as you say so (despite being a speculation) then he'd fit in well for disorder teams. Im no expert but im thinking like: anomaly (piper/jane)-off field anomaly (burnice)-buffer/support/anomaly stun (lighter) just some wishful thinking~ take it with a grain of salt

[@Vanslipper]

Yanagi being a spear-ish user decided it for me. I hope for more of those in future updates.

[@Miko1247]

In my opinion, both of them look boring. I’m not gonna pull.

[@XSABORZ]

it makes sense that lighter will buff anomaly users since there will be 2 sons of Calydon members being anomaly, Burnice and Piper. I also have a feeling that he will buff crit rate since looking at another character, ben, based around fire tend to also buff crit rate in some way, also based on the disc Inferno metal at 4 also increases crit rate so it may be safe to assume that he could increase squad's crit rate when stunning a combatant which could be insane for crit characters to focus more on crit damage for more damage output. well im guessin here as well but either way im pullin for lighter cause he's hot *wink*.

[@chrono2738]

40000 people were like: yeah imma learn so much from this video surely he knows more about the characters than the information the rest of us have 😎

[@perezo27]

I find myself thinking that, if the release order is what I think will be, then I'll ideally be able to get lucky enough to accomodate my owned S ranks, Grace, Jane, Soldier 11 and Zhu Yuan (who I don't really use) AKA, crossing my fingers, if the order Ceasar - Burnice - Yanagi - Lighter Then that means I can, hopefully, get Burnice AND Lighter, since Ceasar doesn't really interest me and I already own Grace Yeah, I could try to get both, but I feel like Average Luck gaming doesn't let me afford repeats in agent type and element yet, but also, skipping one of them lets me assure pulling the other one, like I skipped Qingi for Jane or I kind of accidentally skipped on Ellen and got Zhu Yuan because I didn't know how the game worked at that point

[@burningfox4974]

I think with SoC owning 2 Anomalies, and him having the flame arm, he’d be like Lyacon in terms of a element resistance shredder, and where he’s a Disorder Stunner. Atm Disorders don’t really care about Stun agents since disorder applies its own Daze. So if there’s a Anomoly Stun unit who capitalizes the Anomoly units like you said. Maybe just a flat Anomoly Mastery Buff, or resistance decrease where you can trigger a lot of disorder during the small stun window. And yeah…I was hugely disappointed to see 1.3 tease being “Limited Belabog”. Even if they are unique…

[@Caduceus444]

I was originally planning to pull for Miyabi in the future because I needed a DPS/anomaly and I thought Yanagi will be stun (which I alredy have in the form of lycaon), but she turned out to be anomaly so I'm on kind of a debate... Ice katana or lightning naginata? A wise man once said "The hardest decisions require the strongest wills"

[@awalkingfurret4207]

I have a crazy theory. What if Yanagi is the beginning of the 1.3 patch and they make a brand new disk drive for her? Also, if I remembered correctly, only Harumasa was the only one that left his mine ability off-field active on the first hollow zero mission, so it wouldn't surprised me if it was actually made for him instead

[@MouthyMerc42]

It really is a ball ache trying to get through the Hallow Zero nodes when most are ether and ice weakness. For the love booty, give us more ether or ice agents!