Yawgmoth: The Scientific Priestcraft of Eugenics | Magic the Gathering Lore | Spice 8 Rack

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Can’t say it wasn’t expected hehe

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That's uhh..... yeah, that video has lots of long.

[@gabrielreis9733]

Even after you went the extra lengh with "Eugen!cs" the bot still got you.

[@andrewsparkes8829]

@@gabrielreis9733 Not that surprising. People have famously gotten around banned words by using punctuation for years before the internet. F***, it's why the asterisk is such a well known glyph! It's not that surprising KZbin has code that says "In this word, if there is an ! where the i should be, it counts as the same word. If there's a # where the H should be, it counts as the same word. Etc." Not saying 8rack could've done much different, or that his video obviously has way better intentions than most that use that word in the title, merely that it's not surprising the "!" did not protect him. That and the word spelt out properly are likely exactly the same to KZbin's coding. Also he says the word a lot in the video, and KZbin can create subtitles automatically, so this transcript is also used in seeing whether something can be banned. So yeah, one exclamation mark in the title really doesn't stop KZbin noticing him using that word, over and over, even slightly.

[@gabrielreis9733]

@@andrewsparkes8829 your probably right

[@IRFine]

“Eugenicists are usually part of the aristocracy” And Yawg is one of the strongest Aristocrats cards ever printed.

[@theautisticguitarist7560]

You really get a sense of cruelty using him as your commander. Just throwing away your own creatures, treating every single living thing on the board including yourself as a resource to be exploited, just straight up ignoring combat and showing your opponent you're not even playing against them.

[@KyunaCookies]

@@theautisticguitarist7560 I adore the comparison between Convoke and aristocrats they both utilise creatures, one for sacrifice, the other, collective effort

[@alejoclosa7705]

@@KyunaCookies both useful for Yawgmoth (i play it in modern)

[@ManaDrain315]

​@@theautisticguitarist7560But Yawgmoth can't sac itself to the main ability.

[@theautisticguitarist7560]

@@ManaDrain315 that's what I meant. By "using yourself as a resource" I meant the first ability costs life. He's the only thing you cant use as a resource in his deck.

[@OldSaltySean1]

Came here for Yawgmoth lore after hearing about him for years and having no idea who he was, got an hour long class lecture better than any university course I've been in. You fooled me into learning and I thank you for it.

[@juliamavroidi8601]

same for me, except I don't even care about Magic the Gathering abd just clicked bc he looked hot in the thumbnail

[@isaiahsmith8379]

@@juliamavroidi8601 Yawgmoth: Once you go black,there's no going back.

[@baddecisions4380]

@@isaiahsmith8379kinda weird he isn’t blue/black right. I know old phyrexia only had black mana but Yawgmoth was from dominaria. I mean he’s as much science and progress as Jin Gitaxia

[@isaiahsmith8379]

@@baddecisions4380 he will be once Julia is done with him^

[@diegocassola1]

@@baddecisions4380 old MTG had a way more rigid definition for the colours, black mana had to be evil and villains had to be black mana (and the same thing for white and heroes) and very few tribes were more than one color, phyrexians as a tribe were pure black for a long time so it makes sense for yawgmoth also be aligned with that color. But I agree that it doesn't make a lot of sense, had phyrexia started with nowadays color philosophy he would certainly be blue/black or even white/blue/black, new phyrexia struck gold by having a praetor in each color as it opens up a lot of room for characterization and gameplay options, and it's even cheeky that Elesh Norn, the main bad guy in new phyrexia, is pure white

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Gotta love KZbin discouraging meaningful discourse about dangerous ideologies because they're scared of controversial words.

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Sadly it's bound to happen when to slap on a bunch of warnings about what everything is covered.

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I feel that considering KZbin average audiences age that some of the disclaimers are important

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But KZbin also says KZbin isn’t for kids. It’s all just bastards wanting things to be sterilized like television

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@@vinnythewebsurfer it doesn't matter what they say there are kids on youtube and they are not old enough for some of content on youtube

[@zachary3367]

Usually I'm all on the fuck corporate train and all but I think we're the ones who made youtube that way.

[@AspelShuyin]

Eugenicists: "Intermingling of the races causes reversion to a lesser type" Purebreed dogs: [Wheezing] "Kill me"

[@wikitiki209]

Pugs Chihuahuas teacup animals etc....

[@blueheron4498]

no such thing as a purebred dog, all domestic dogs have been genetically mutilated through selective breeding

[@Bob-fe8qn]

Pugs are so sad 😭

[@pandoragoldspan7012]

@@blueheron4498 sure but there are recognized breeds of dogs that people try to breed within, hence... purebred. purely bred to be (insert breed here) and thus has genetic issues

[@diamondmetal3062]

@@Bob-fe8qn I’ve heard of this project going on that plans to bring back original bulldogs.

[@winter945]

"I look terrible without a beard" I beg to differ

[@Spice8Rack]

Oh y'all are too sweet

[@Bengoshi122393]

Honestly my 1st thought was damn you look rather dashing.

[@Kydrou]

When i saw him as Yawgmoth, i could feel the straightness leave my body. Then i remembered i never had one!

[@CosmicErrata]

@@Kydrou Threw a curveball there.

[@logangrifo]

@@Spice8Rack Or rather thirsty and turned on by intelligent and thorough critical analysis with a charismatic character interpretation to boost 😉

[@Dalenthas]

I like to think Gerrard, Sisay, Hanna, and even Karn turned out good *despite* Urza's meddling rather than *because* of it.

[@FaustCrowley]

Another KZbin channel (Tolarian Community College) advances the idea that Urza is really the biggest villain in Magic and he has some great points.

[@sev1120]

​@@FaustCrowley I mean every single major problem that the heroes face can be traced back to Urza

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An hour and 15 minutes of Spice 8 Rack? What a fantastic day this is

[@Spice8Rack]

And what a fantastic COMMENT this is :D!

[@zjaeriqsanders1731]

This video had no bussiness being this good. Never in my life would I ever have thought that I could learn so much about history, philosophy, biology, and writing in an hour long video centered around a Magic the Gathering novel.

[@Spice8Rack]

I’m really glad you found and enjoyed it! It took a LOT of effort

[@zjaeriqsanders1731]

@@Spice8Rack I can only imagine, but if it wouldnt kill you, I would love to see more content like this in the future, though I cant imagine there are many mtg novels that have such a wierldy prevalent focus on extremely heavy topics such as eugenics lol

[@PixelBush]

He did it. I thought he was messing with us when he first tweeted about this but he actually bloody did it. You and Rhystic Studies are the big two Magic creatures I'll just sit here and watch for an hour! Keep up the phenomenal content

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Will Narramore same, I have wanted all their stuff at least twice, it’s so incredible.

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[@codyhastings5514]

I loved this video so much I ended up reading *The Thran* and it has since become one of the best books I have read in a while. I loved it enough to make a presentation in my reading class, choosing to focus on eugenics and the real life parallels between physis and eugenics, and I was particularly interested with the real life parallel to the nazi party, as well as just eugenists in general, with how they used these things as a way to not only suppress others but advance their own racist bullshit. Basically I am saying this to say thank you, because without you I wouldn’t have found this book, wouldn’t have gotten an A, and I wouldn’t have gotten my teacher to read a MTG book.

[@Spice8Rack]

This was so gratifying to read! Thank you so much and good on you. I’m hella glad this video helped you :D

[@timdornaus]

now thats an in depth, detailed and insanely lavish and complex lore video. amazing the work that must have gone into this

[@Spice8Rack]

Thanks so much! I read more for this video than I did in most of my undergrad.

[@MrPooleish]

Comparing and Contrasting Philosophies and Theologies of fictional characters with their real-world counterparts while simultaneously delving into the story of both is absolutely amazing and something I didn't realize I needed. Doesn't hurt that New Phyrexia was my first block and it holds a special twisted place in my heart.

[@aLukepop]

This is actually such a cool idea. It makes both topics far more interesting than they would be alone.

[@BoxBoy_99]

??? i do this on a daily basis. what's impressive here is the editing. think for yourself!

[@iiGiacomo]

You’re my hero for doing an hour long video you were near-certain was going to be demonetized.

[@Spice8Rack]

Not all heroes wear capes. Also, please ignore the fact that I am literally wearing a cape in half of this video.

[@p.dephile2724]

@@Spice8Rack true but also when youre wearing the cape you're literally the Hitler guy of Magic

[@notlad900]

I'm a bit upset he ignored the fact China practices eugenics and Japan practiced it in WW2 but instead he just acts like only white people have done it. Still good video overall though

[@Spice8Rack]

I literally talk about China's Maternal and Infant Healthcare law in the final section of the video. What are you talking about?

[@notlad900]

@@Spice8Rack I must have missed it then, Apologies. Since I missed that spot I was under the impression you either didn't know or just didn't care since earlier in the video you made a comment that people practicing eugenics always lead to Arians or white people as the desired result.

[@Bob-fe8qn]

Coming back almost 2 years later I want to thank you. When I watched this video I was entirely convinced that ableist eugenics was actually a good idea and this started my journey to realize the extreme gaps in my moral logic and scientific knowledge. I now know so much more about myself (being autistic, bi, and dysgraphic) and the world. I don’t know what to say but thank you so much for helping me be a better person.

[@Spice8Rack]

This is the best thing to read 💖 I’m so glad this video helped, and always remember that you were the one who then put in the work to better yourself. It’s a tough thing to do, and you should be proud of that x

[@spicytrashpanda]

You aren't a better person, you've just accepted the apologies of an unknown to justify your broken existence. You're ill, nothing more, nothing less. May you bear no children into this world.

[@lachlanrussell18]

This is so fucking cool man. There’s a lot of people agreeing and people disagreement when you look at the comment sections of people like this, but rarely do you get something special like this. And spice’s comment above this is right! You did the work, and you came out the other side. It takes guts and it takes effort. After how harrowing and visceral the descriptions of nazi experimentation were, this was a lovely shot of hope to cheer me up :)

[@wizardpatrick3142]

I'm at the 37 min mark and im already super impressed at both how well researched this video is and how dry the Witt is

[@Spice8Rack]

Thanks wizard patrick for such an... enchanting comment!

[@Commander_Skullblade]

@@Spice8Rack Forced much?

[@bgXttv]

Bro. I don't think you realize that you are a youtuber for the fan community of a trading card game. Why is this video more well-researched, comprehensive, entertaining, and brave than most "educational" youtubers' content?? Seriously, I learned, at the very least, as much, if not more, about eugenics and the history of eugenics as I would have if I had searched for educational videos about eugenics, and this video is "about" an obscure character from a trading card game only a small portion of the population even knows about, much less likes. Well done. Unbelievably well done.

[@samconsumespie1012]

You ever just watch a documentary about eugenics and magic the gathering

[@brodiecrystal3340]

Sam Consumes Pie man 2019 is great year

[@enitsu-142]

I would say it’s uniquely suited with the character of Yawgamoth... it puts things into perspective as we follow this character’s stream of consciousness

[@oateater5044]

Sam Consumes Pie: Right?!

[@samconsumespie1012]

oh my god so many likes thanks

[@notlad900]

I'm a bit upset he ignored the fact China practices eugenics and Japan practiced it in WW2 but instead he just acts like only white people have done it

[@Mad_Oph]

Let's face it: Urza is Yawgmoth with a better marketing team.

[@tielorstanger-lopez3888]

Urza is 99% Hitler, Yawgmoth is 100% Hitler

[@fefeman2856]

Urza is Yawgmoth if Yagmoth had another yagmoth to fight and justify his actions with.

[@RaeBaeGamez]

Truer words have never been spoken 😂

[@Dothreban]

That's really not fair to Urza.

[@IqmasterDaNinja]

​@Dothreban how so? Urza is responsible for the events that led to multiple cataclysmic events, and tried to rectify it with actual eugenics and selective breeding. Man's got warcrimes to atone for and he chose to do so with human rights violations

[@Tenchinu]

I cannot, in good conscience, ask you for more in-depth analysis of MTG lore characters and novels seeing how much this vid kicked ass. I just can’t

[@Spice8Rack]

Thank you so much. Both for the compliment, and also for not asking for more in-depth analysis right now because WOWEE I'm dead

[@EloquentTroll]

@@Spice8Rack I, however, can ask you for more of this but I am willing to wait for it. Turning this eye on Urza is needed by the MtG community. Like seriously, Urza needs a significant deconstruction, he's way too beloved for as awful as he was.

[@Conquistador530]

Okay I love the fact that in the static of 1:09:31-1:09:33 you used the "God form" of Yawgmoth as he talks about how Rebecc believed him to be exiled forever. Good little detail there Spice8Rack.

[@andromalius9595]

Not gonna lie. That was educational and well acted. Now I really wanna see your version of that Phyrexian mad genius on the big screen.

[@Spice8Rack]

Imagine how good I'd be if I was able to move more than 5 inches left or right!

[@andromalius9595]

@@Spice8Rack Holy shit is that even allowed!?

[@SiwanBouss]

Wow, never expected our poet to be in the Netflix mtg series

[@firetarrasque4667]

Imagine Spice Daddy playing God-Yawgmoth

[@SomeFreakingCactus]

As a relatively newer player of MTG, it’s awesome comparing this info to what we saw in our return to Dominaria. Talking about Thran as a thriving and healthy civilization after seeing their ancient ruins and how commonplace powerstones were makes the time period seem all the more ancient and real.

[@BurningVAP]

This channel has quickly become one of my favourites ever, the way you combine meaningful discussion of important topics, explorations of MtG lore/ settings and humor all in one spicy package blows my mind. Congratulations for another great video.

[@Spice8Rack]

Thank you

[@trentreid4562]

I love how this channel ranges from talks about eugenics to how pleasent eldrazi can be to talk to.

[@Atrus159]

"a civilization of genii" "what?" "The plural of genius. It's genii" *b a n n i s h e d*

[@OfficialAvijitDas]

I love this video so much and thought I would add all the times codes with some basic titles. Thanks Spice8Rack! All the story beats: 1:11 10 years until the Battle of Halcyon 4:49 8 years until the Battle of Halcyon 9:08 7 years until the Battle of Halcyon 14:39 6 years until the Battle of Halcyon 19:43 5 years until the Battle of Halcyon 23:14 3 years until the Battle of Halcyon 29:35 2 years until the Battle of Halcyon 41:31 1 year until the Battle of Halcyon 48:00 4 months until the Battle of Halcyon 54:30 3 days until the Battle of Halcyon 59:11 2 days until the Battle of Halcyon 1:06:19 The Battle of Halcyon Understanding Eugenics and its Terrible History: 2:56 What is Eugenics? 7:07 The Core beliefs of Eugenics 11:16 Buck vs. Bell 16:22 Mengele Experiments 22:29 How women have been portrayed in The Thran and Sci Fi writing. 25:04 Humanity's Heirachical Races 33:16 Epigenetics 44:34 Racism in Eugenics 51:28 How Sci Fi writing can miscommunicate science and Information. 55:32 Bloodlines - Irresponsible Writing 1:02:15 Representations of Minority groups in Media 1:09:37 Modern Eugenics and Conclusion

[@crabobserver]

This needs more likes!

[@OfficialAvijitDas]

@@crabobserver thanks bud :D hopefully spice8rack gets more subs too!

[@crabobserver]

@@OfficialAvijitDas agreed, the man is a blessing

[@coolguy-di1pq]

“Dyfed took all the hottest goblins with her”

[@Bluecho4]

Who's the REAL monster here? Honestly.

[@enitsu-142]

Like what the actual fuck tho

[@theoschuh4571]

I think that all goblins are hot

[@NecromancyForKids]

@@theoschuh4571 There is a reason they're red.

[@UserNameMandatory]

That was a reference to the goblins of Mercadia are (relatively) good looking.

[@garlicfan23]

This is maybe the best MTG related content I've ever watched. Entertaining from beginning to end and very informative. Please keep making content like this, I truly enjoyed it.

[@churblefurbles]

an obvious pile of wordcel arguments against obvious facts of nature.

[@dianauwu1312]

@@churblefurbles what do you mean by that

[@aliasagnome6992]

Spice 8 Rack becomes more powerful with every video, this level of integration between issues of minority disenfranchisement and MTG lore has only ever been theorized about by the philosophers of yore

[@Spice8Rack]

I am The Prophesied One. Yay, be dissapoint'd'eth

[@rhymeswithmoose228]

@@Spice8Rack A bit late but permission to use "Yay, be dissapoint'd'eth" in my day-to-day life?

[@arranisnailo7795]

I aspire to have the confidence to talk into a camera for 30 minutes straight in eyeshadow in chain while acting like a bad medicine man

[@mullac0107]

As a recent Master of Biology (well, bioinformatics technically), and specialising in epigenomics and transcriptomics, I must say BRAVO for your research on the subject and this whole video! I thouroughly loved it, thank you so much for making these!

[@Spice8Rack]

Oh that's really affirming to hear. My academic background is purely based in literature and I was really worried I was barrelling into biology doomed to mess it up. I really appreciate this comment

[@thegrayfox9179]

Wow Spice, this is probably one of the greatest videos I have ever seen. As someone whos entire college life was consumed by research and argument formation. This was such a well thought out explination as well as a point being made. I applaude you sir and this video gave you a like, share and sub. Keep up the great work.

[@Spice8Rack]

Thanks so much for saying so!

[@thegrayfox9179]

@@Spice8Rack Omg You replied, thanks so much but really the amount of effort and research put into this video was amazing, this is quality content

[@Raklarpt]

As a biologist, you did excellent research for this video! You've made some simplifications of genetics and molecular biology concepts without creating additional misconceptions along with it, which is unbelievably hard. Congratulations!

[@Spice8Rack]

Oh heck thank you! I was SUPER worried that I was trying to cram a complex topic into not enough time. This is a really affirming comment, thanks!

[@yven9015]

Honestly, I just want more content like this from you, regardless of any connection to MTG

[@Spice8Rack]

You may just get it 👀

[@yven9015]

@@Spice8Rack 😱

[@C00kiesAplenty]

I just wanted to mention a few minor things. 1.) Yawgmoth in the beginning describing the tenents of eugenics as what we understand to be rational science does not mean that is the message the writer is saying. That is what Yawgmoth is saying; Yawgmoth the man who did body horror stuff to prisoners and called them beautiful. Yawgmoth, who experimented on various groups and races so he could see what would happen, and because he could. It is made clear by the author that he is not to be trusted or believed. 2.) Saying that the actions Urza makes in "Bloodlines" undermines the message about eugenics in "The Thran" is a bit off. For starters the books were written by different people. But largely because Urza is a bad person. He is compared to Yawgmoth both by Yawgmoth's subordinates, people who have interacted with phyrexians, and Urza's own supporters. It has been said about him that left to his own devices he would have turned dominaria into a phyrexia; and that only the overarching evil of phyrexia actually made Urza look like a good person. Which is made more clear when before his death Urza started to worship Yawgmoth. The actions of protagonists and other characters does not mean that those are morally good or scientifically correct actions, nor does it mean that the author supports said actions. Especially when the characters performing those actions are objectively evil, and are portrayed as such.

[@IC12030]

Very acute analysis. Well said.

[@draxthemsklonst]

Urza reminds me or Karsus from D&D. Both tried to fight evil and did so using foolish methods and destroying an entire civilization.

[@IgnisFiend]

@@draxthemsklonst Karsus's story is amazing.

[@joeyhamilton6854]

Isaac Carton wow, those are really good points.

[@GoodRogue]

@Cookies Aplenty ad. 1): The attribution of someone else's achievements to your ideology (to make it seem more trustworthy, for instance) is, in fact, a tactics as old as our civilisation might be. It should come of no surprise that Yawgmoth is utilizing it. Apart from that, both of your points are excellent. I fear that the failure to distinguish the author's views from the character's is what ultimately doomed us to never see such good fiction again.

[@MegaEagle345]

This video has honestly opened my mind so much and driven me to research into this subject. I’m so glad you made this video and I looked forward to your content ever time before but you’ve really outdone yourself. From monkey goblins to eugenics you’re content is always impressive.

[@snarkmastergeneral1393]

As a person with 2 seperate disorders associated with genetics I did not realize how much I needed to hear that "positive" eugenics is also bullshit. I didn't think watching a magic the gathering video would make me feel better about my genetic makeup but here we are. Thanks man, you are truly a gentleman and a scholar!

[@churblefurbles]

Sums up this type of reasoning perfectly, it is cope.

[@horiaandreipopescu8873]

I really appreciate the work and soul you've put into this, congratulations on the result. Also, as a PhD candidate in Pol Science, I would've appreciated each second of the video for the research you've done on this, only, even regardless of your take on it and on the narrative skills you have. Thank you!

[@toomanyowlz]

Ok but why isn’t emo Loki in game knights yet?

[@caseywellington4761]

Probably because he's controversial. Not saying that's good, just saying it's possible.

[@knowlessman]

For more EDH (I was gonna say vaguely leftist-ish, but tbh the Janklord guys don't get political either, they just aren't sponsored by WotC), I recommend Quest for the Janklord. Unfortunately it's mostly just the same four white guys in (almost) every video, but it's got jank-only rules so you don't just see the same cards every game, and see a lot of cards you've never heard of. It's also got a minimal-but-mildly-engaging plot (four dudes make a deal with a Demon for infinite booster packs, but they're all Fallen Empires packs, also they have to play Jank EDH (with gimmicks) in a Hell dimension forever), and it's just a very non-toxic, non-competitive vibe all around.

[@blazerboy55]

I quite liked the riot that was rating all the legendaries by friendability and then you nail a serious topic, too?! Keep it up, my dude.

[@MaxAim]

Holy shit, this was so good, I wasn't expecting a cool narration + history lesson about "scientific" racism

[@Spice8Rack]

Me neither tbh. Not sure what happened on the upload, this was supposed to just be EDH gameplay.

[@seanhunt1171]

Spice 8 Rack the fabled game knights with you in it?

[@dngerouds]

"There is no objective beauty. Unless you are Winona Ryder or Keanu Reever" Coming from a person who LITERALLY looks like a child of these two.

[@stuartsobeske8559]

I'm getting philosophy tube vibes and I like

[@Spice8Rack]

A compliment that I WILL take :D

[@winterlord9942]

I thought the same, deep topic, eloquent choice of words, and those unexpected transitions that jump scare me for some reason lol.

[@ripred42]

Had the same thought, interesting direction for a mtg channel, but I couldn't be happier!

[@AnIdiotsLantern]

I came here to say this! This guy is serving us his Oliver Thorn and I will eat that with a spoon

[@masonbaker1677]

Was just thinking the same thing, glad I'm not the only one!

[@TimdeVisser86]

It says so much about so many things that this MtG lore video explains more about eugenics than most other videos that I've watched, and I've deliberately sought out information of this topic.

[@GreatgoatonFire]

On a more serious note what Yawgmoth did to Dyfed makes me think of something I was told in high school. My class was visiting a mental health museum and we came a display about lobotomy. Then my teacher told us about her aunt. She got lobotomised in the 50s for being "a loose woman". That has stuck with me to this day. Don't have anything else to say about that.

[@kyoken8691]

Fun fact: he removed her brain from her body and kept her in a constant state of decay and forced regeneration Since she's an immortal planeswalker the only real way to kill her was either destroy her completely (happened to lots of old walkers) or she actually stops her own healing (how Serra died). Funny enough Yawgmoth was right, the planeswalker spark is located in the brain, however he was wrong in thinking it was an organ, it's a metaphysical tether that lets a planeswalker pull themselves out of a plane and into the blind eternities.

[@GreatgoatonFire]

@@kyoken8691 Don't know if "fun" is the right word for that fact.

[@kyoken8691]

@@GreatgoatonFire it's fun if you're a phyrexian :D

[@brettjohnson4321]

Holy crap that's fucking crazy

[@brettjohnson4321]

@@kyoken8691 phyrexian here. It was fun! Sadly since we have just been festering for the last ten years on new phyrexia. We are bored and want to infect some peeps.

[@markhollings6300]

well well well. the best mtg lore content I have watched to date! not only was the story told and acted superbly, but by translating it into todays world politics with historical context was outstanding. I applaud you sir! Your research was faultless your style, dry, witty and endearing and your points.... on point! stay spicy!

[@elamorana7400]

Fantastic video!!!!! I was honoured to work on it :))))

[@asrieldreemurr1988]

Nice work on yawgmoths theme

[@elamorana7400]

@@asrieldreemurr1988 thanks gorg:)

[@myctris]

I absolutely LOVE this video. I don't know what I expected, but I got something way better. I really liked the ending about Yawgmoth being a cleric, made me chuckle.

[@Skylos]

I am going to be completely honest, as someone who has read both The Thran and Brothers War, Yawgmoth has always seemed way more sympathetic to me than Urza (and that is just on account on how Urza had a massive part in destroying the entire planets ecosystem through a petty war between his brother about a goddamn stone, completely ignoring all of his other countless atrocities he commits after becoming a planeswalker). This is not saying that Yawgmoth is a good person in the slightest, especially since the entire Phyrexian ideology is based on a type of social darwinism you often see among fascists. But I do think it says a lot about how much of a cunt Urza was

[@kyoken8691]

Urza lacked the sophisticated charisma Yawgmoth had. Simple as that, in the end they were still both eugenicists. Yawgmoth would sweet talk you if he thought he could wrangle some kind of benefit from you, then stab you in the back once you were no longer useful. Urza on the other hand would just pummel you with his "obvious superiority" and how "right" he is all the time until you just agree to make him stop. Funny thing though they are in the colors that would have advocated for this process. Yawgmoth is black, as an autocrat who views everyone who is not him as imperfect, and therefore inferior. Urza was originally blue, but became white when he ascended, blue would of course be the "scientist" within him, and white being the "perfectionist" of society. It says something that the 2 titans that survived the Phyrexian invasion were Freyalise and Lord Windgrace, planeswalkers with ties to red and green.

[@Skylos]

Yeah I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one. Honestly I feel like both red and green have been under-represented in magic in that way. Like, there is a lot of nuance to those colours but most of the time the main characters are focused around black, blue or white. Green is just seen as "big dude smash" or "HUG THE TREES" and red is usually just "I AM ANGERY! IMMA SHOOT FIRE!" (these are furthermore reasons I am not that big of a fan of Nissa or Chandra). Would be nice to see some more nuance among those colors (though maybe there has been and I have just missed it. Magic has A LOT of lore to keep track of)

[@kyoken8691]

@@Skylos old racist Nissa was actually a decent nuanced character with realistic flaws and sympathetic narratives. But you know how the pc police act around depictions of "racist" protagonists. I think the reason green and red are rarely given nuance is because they arent based on rationality. The rely on that "gut feeling" to drive their characters and that leaves less time for introspection or drama. Which is easy for an action story, but not for a complex narrative. Like for example which feels more sympathetic? Liliana's backstory or Nissa's.

[@Skylos]

Yeah that's true. Honestly I am not too familiar with "old racist Nissa" but I have heard from plenty of people that she was apparently a really good character. Should probably go back and read through those stories at some point.

[@kyoken8691]

@@Skylos I actually facepalmed during the zendikar plotline where Nissa intentionally failed the eldrazi sealing ritual just because Sorin was a vampire. And her rationalization was "he's a vampire and vampires are all backstabbing liars", welp congratulations you just unsealed the eldrazi.

[@yuvalhuck1]

I wasn’t sure if I had the focus to watch an hour+ video, but this is actually really kept me through it all to the end. Awesome job!

[@DoctahWAAwee]

That Cleric part at the end was really clever, bravo!

[@AllistorRichards]

Ngl I can def see you putting some Philosophy-tube style flair into this and it makes it a god damned delight to watch tbh, definitely worth the time and effort put into it mate.

[@Spice8Rack]

AH! Such a COMPLIMENT! thank you :D

[@Raziel555666]

Dude you have to make another video like this! You completely sold me on yogmoth and it's creepyness factor. Seriously well done I saw this twice so far!

[@needlesareyourfriend]

I think you might be the only person on KZbin who can take something as arcane as Yawgmoth’s lore and turn it into a serious conversation about something as important as the idiocy of eugenics and modern racism. Stay spicy, you beautiful human.

[@BarginsGalore]

needlesareyourfriend to be fair it is not a huge leap to jump from Yaugmoth to eugenics

[@needlesareyourfriend]

Zephyr Nace-Beach it’s not a leap at all, my point was about presentation

[@dervakommtvonhinten517]

how dare you call him a human you speciest? you dont know what he identifies as!

[@hhjhj393]

I think the people who died to these monsters are at least owed the honor of being remembered. Never forget what those people did.

[@agendergorgon1005]

I come back to this vid every year or so, you did such a grand job merging the two discussions.

[@brettjohnson4321]

Hey I just did the same

[@averagejoebro5206]

I know its alot of work, so thank you so much for putting all the time and effort into your videos that you do. You bring a very new and exciting flavor to the community and its refreshing. I hope it's as fulfilling for you as it is enjoyable for us!

[@Spice8Rack]

Comments like this make it super worth it :) Thanks so much

[@voidshot]

This video is beautifully cited and comprehensive, please make more like content like this, it made my day.

[@thewitchsfamiliar]

If Yawgmoth ever gets his own series, I hope they cast you

[@michaelmaddox2536]

Real talk

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[@nigelskaife3024]

I really enjoyed this, not only from a magic lore overview point of view, but also because of the general information. It is refreshing to see someone take a much deeper dive into the MTG lore other then "it is good, it makes sense" or "it is bad, narrative passing is horrible." The constant back and forth between the information and the narrative of the story really help to create a more complete picture of the finer details and short comings of a work of fiction. Overall, very enjoyable, and I hope you plan on doing more work like this; I hardly noticed that more than an hour went by.

[@EJsGameplay]

Also, you should show up in one of TCC classroom skits as Yawgmoth. "You cant teah Eugenics here!" I'm merely teaching *lists off stuff from the beginning*. "Wait, you know that's not Eugenics, right?"

[@okanut]

Thank you for making this. I appreciate how much research you use to back up everything, and your portrayal of Yawgmoth was chilling.

[@Mcampbell1297]

OMG this is a full length movie of spice 8 rack is there any thing better?

[@thrash208]

...2 full length videos

[@moonwitch616]

A shirtless full length movie of spice8rack would be better. 😍😍😍😍

[@Mcampbell1297]

@@moonwitch616 that's a completely fair point LMAO

[@firetarrasque4667]

@@Mcampbell1297 Spice Daddy plays a shirtless Bruce Tarl

[@xxGurdian]

Honestly one of the best videos I've watched in recent times. Not only discussing a fantastic games history and original stories but also focusing in depth on the philsophy/ideology and history behind eugenics within our own society. This content I truly belive is not only for fans of magic the gathering but also indivduals who wish to learn and can comrphend such a subject matter, broadening their horizons.

[@xxGurdian]

Its also extremly entertaining and you just as a person are hilarious. Gets through my short attention span.

[@firedrake110]

Clerics as actual practicing physicians, and not just healing wizards, always tickles something in me. Back when we were returning to Mirrodin, and the Phyrexians were creeping out from under their hideous, beautiful rocks, the thing I wanted most was for Gix to crawl out of the dimensional rift he was hurled into and burn the whole plane down.

[@xpeterx]

i come back to this video every once in a while when it comes up in my recommendations again and watch it again, because despite it's length is a wonderfully well researched and educational video not only on magic history but also real world history, that especially being german is not talked about often enough. it is well researched written, acted and edited. hats off, spice, hats off.

[@Eruidraith]

I feel so bad for Dyfed. She just wanted to meet a cool artificer guy she knew about and instead she's fodder for this story. She coulda been such a much much cooler character!

[@boxtank5288]

Her interference led to a psychotic Emperor Scientist achieving Apotheosis (mainly to SPITE the power of the Planeswalkers when he became suddenly more powerful than them, and this is PRE-MENDING which means these guys were at the peak of their Extra-Dimensional GOD powers) Instead of eventually dying of natural causes/being overwhelmed by everyone of Dominaria.

[@piemaster831]

Subbed on patreon for this video. You definitely deserve it for how incredible this video was.

[@VV1L7]

I'm only about 20 minutes into this video and i have to tell you I immesnly apperciate this deep dive not only into magic, but world history and Eugenics. this has been wildly informative and i honestly can't thank you enough for tackling a subject so twisted in nature while maintaining such clear and consist line of thought. honestly best video I've watched on KZbin i can't thank you enough for informing me in a way that was done in good taste and educationally sound.

[@IzzysIssues]

I cannot imagine the effort that went into this, but this is one of the most well crafted videos I've EVER seen on KZbin. Please keep up the great work 💜💚

[@th4tus3rname]

This is literally just MTG breadtube and I love it

[@toctheyounger]

Only just found your channel having been too lazy to delve further, but I'm glad I did. Currently watching this for the 3rd time in the last week and a half. Just very well made and a great way to approach the topic and relate it to the lore of the game we all love. Thank you for your service, good sir.

[@notSoAverageGuineaPigEnjoyer]

Just commenting to show KZbin that your video(s) are worth recommending

[@Spice8Rack]

:3 What a lovely comment to leave, thank you

[@notSoAverageGuineaPigEnjoyer]

Spice 8 Rack wow! I would just say that I love your videos!!!

[@AspienPadda]

Whoo algorithm!

[@asrieldreemurr1988]

Algorithm please bless the spice8rack

[@adeladam2325]

I lovd every minute of this. You're my second fav youtuber now

[@EvolvedDinosaur]

About halfway through, but this is great so far. It's great to have a mix of lore to the relatively much more important real life facts. Hopefully those who came for Magic stories learned more about actual life

[@Spice8Rack]

Thanks so much ED

[@carbide4458]

This is honestly one of the coolest things I've ever seen on KZbin.

[@BaltanTwo]

What an amazing video. Your portrayal of “human” Yawgmoth was as on-point as your quick skim of eugenics and taught me some stuff I hadn’t already known about it, so kudos. You got a subscription from me.

[@oreobelero]

You're now my favorite mtg youtuber (like, you were already high on the list, but now you're literally number one.) That was a brilliant video.

[@Ryan_Eveleigh]

Besides handsome and funny, you're incredibly smart. An excellent investigation on eugenics and the scientific bases that revolve around it; an excellent deepening of the subject without leaving aside the history of one of the most important novels of Dominaria's saga; an excellent representation of Yawgmoth and a summary of the history of the novel, to see again and again. Congratulations and still spicy.

[@MrElarchbishop]

Your videos are making quarantine more bearable, they are however having a bad impact on my sleep cycle. It's amazing the amount of research you put in and how you twist humour into it.

[@altromonte15]

I'd like to see the simic guild meeting some phyrexians, they have relatively similar philosophies, but very different ways to go about it. A phyrexia-simic hybrid would be neat to see.

[@skydroid3141]

Eh, the simic are more transhumanist than anything else. Phyrexia seeks biological improvement through genocide while the simic through scientific experiments. They may look similar superficialy but are nothing alike on deeper inspection. The simic celebrate diversity while phyrexia abhors it, just as an example.

[@halfpintrr]

Simic would be disgusted. At least they consent.

[@altromonte15]

@@halfpintrr not always they don't, remember Momir Vig and Experiment Kraj? In many ways, it was very similar to Phyresis. Sure, in the end he was considered a madman, but I'm fairly sure others in the guild shared his ideas.

[@skydroid3141]

@@altromonte15 That is a good point.

[@rhymeswithmoose228]

@@altromonte15 They are the exception, not the rule

[@sonofchlar6144]

Posting this comment here to show the algorithm that we are engaging and to hopefully bump up recommendations on your video. Keep up the incredible work, no one does content like this and it’s some of the most captivating and thought provoking content out there. I know at its core it’s all about MTG, but it’s so so so much more than that.

[@jacobthompson168]

The amount of love, care, and research put into this episode is nothing short of amazing.

[@enzostanful]

I discovered your videos a bit later in your carrier. But I am absolutely stunned how well you formulate different social/philosophical aspects of media and turn them into understandable ideas. This really brings light to certain thought processes which I may have otherwise not run into. I really enjoy your videos. I hope you are having a good time preparing and working on your videos. Think I have some things to think about and reflect on. Good luck and thanks a lot, Spiceyboi. Kind regards

[@gobomania]

Wait a second, I feel like there was something else than just a re-telling of MTG lore.

[@DolanBomb]

You got me both to watch a 75 minute long youtube video and interested in most of those fine tomes on your table. What a spicy boy! seriously though, congratulations, you deserve all the attention you're receiving and more

[@GreatgoatonFire]

Alrighty alrighty alrighty, as a spicy person of the internet this video fills me with. . . well not as much cheer as your regular vids TBH but still. Good stuff. I do hope you can keep performing characters going forward because you have to dress up as a goblin at some point, the Monkey Goblin song demands it!

[@Spice8Rack]

I think if it filled you with as much cheer as my normal videos, that'd be a worry. Don't worry, some kind of Monkey Goblin related content will be in the works...

[@GreatgoatonFire]

@@Spice8Rack That's a good way of putting it. You really put some serious effort into this video and that's the only way to make videos about these subjects in a respectful way,

[@Commander_Skullblade]

At least there was Mr. White Death Cloud. Does that imply something about specific races in history or does it just happen to be white?

[@GreatgoatonFire]

@@Commander_Skullblade I get the feeling the writter just thought it would look cool.

[@Commander_Skullblade]

@@GreatgoatonFire Fair enough.

[@bt6616]

Y'know, Spicy, I come here for funny videos about Magic: the Gathering, not "serious discussion" episodes like this one. But maybe I should start, because this was a great video. Loved the research that went into it, loved the analysis of what is and isn't eugenics, LOVED the bit where you discussed "bad" and "good" eugenics (and Urza), and loved that you still found time to add in some funny bits. Shine on, you crazy Mox Diamond.

[@DrunkenPilotVideos]

"Death by piss" is cannon in MTG LMAO

[@noahhosier887]

I saw one video and instantly subbed to spice, this is my second video watching him ever and he has made me appreciate him more than almost anyone else in the mtg community as a player and as a person, so excited to join in on his journey to greatness

[@XmortoxX1990]

I really hope a Throne of Eldraine speedrun is in the making, I'd love this

[@Mommzr]

Best channel for MTG content I've found in a while! Hope to see more similiar content!

[@sittacarolinensis8448]

Well met, my friend. I greatly appreciate your work and your willingness to address the sinister aspects of humanity and its products. While this was a dark bit, it was still worth the wait and I perpetually look forward to the next.

[@evaldaskmieliauskas1655]

Just started the video, 23 seconds in and you have me captivated to finish the whole thing :D good job, mister, good job

[@coreyevans5734]

An in depth and logical discussion of magic stories and an illogical mindset that has roots in history. By god this was a great watch. Also your voice for yawgmoth is my head cannon now.

[@Bleskojd]

Thank you for this gift. Yawgmoth is my most favorite character in all of fiction and I adore him. You providing me with this video was like going to the premiere of a movie I always wanted to see. I am so glad that you picked this story. You are the coolest.

[@ChrisMTG]

This was a stellar video! I don't know how you burst onto the scene as a fully formed top tier content creator, but I'm glad you did.

[@Spice8Rack]

I honestly don't know how this all came about but HOT DOG am I glad I popped up into such a supportive community :)

[@letstalkmagic2731]

I'd like to think he's wearing no pants this entire time.

[@toataile6450]

Now this, THIS RIGHT HERE, is why I'm happy to be subscribed. Both a lore discussion and calling out a monstrous ideology of the real world for what it is.

[@EarlNimbud]

holy shit, this was an incredible video. I had actually just been reading up on Yawgmoth's backstory after pulling the card from a pack and your dramatic retelling of it was fantastic. also the weaving of that narrative alongside aspects of his ideology was masterful, I always felt like I was getting more academic understanding and context just before it was demonstrated in the telling of the narrative. absolutely, wonderfully done. stunningly great job