Yet Another Dyatlov Pass: RUSSIA’S DEADLY ROUTE 30

[@dominusetdeus060644]

Huge group, rough terrain, inexperienced people, underprepared leaders AND alcohol. I'm surprised anyone survived at all.

[@kob3ll_]

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[@mortimusmaximus8725]

The worst thing to do, in cold condition, is drinking alcohol. You may feel warmer, but it will lower your body temperature.

[@josephvanas6352]

There is a little bit more to that then you would think. If you are cold and have a place to warm up say if you are skiing in an established area or working around a cabin on a cold day a little bit of alcohol can be a good thing, not enough to be intoxicated just one or two drinks depending on your body mass and tolerance. I have drank a little bit to "keep warm" before when staying at a cabin and it was very cold outside. It actually is a really good way to warm your feet back up once you are back in shelter with a heat source like a fire because it dilates your blood vessels. For the same reason it is terrible to do when in an actual survival situation. Alcohol during recreation with a heat source you can return to is great. Alcohol during any survival situation is deadly.

[@noahmcdarby5417]

Your not entirely wrong. It doesnt lower your body temperature it causes your blood vessels to constrict making hypothermia set in faster. People with a higher alcohol tolerance can rely on a snap here or there to keep them going. That is what frontiersmen and mountaineers did back in the day.

[@joycebowen8958]

When I lived in Alaska suicide among the Inuit was not uncommon during the winter one of the preferred methods was to sit outside in freezing temperatures in very little clothing and drink until they passed out. It was something I always had a difficult time understanding. Very dark.

[@littlewillowlinda]

How come they used to have st Bernards carry alc? Maybe they didn't know back then?

[@joycebowen8958]

@@littlewillowlinda it was a small cask enough to give them a warm sensation and get blood circulating enough to enable them to get to shelter. ( is my guess) Also it was the monks that made the brandy and went with the St. Bernards to search and rescue. Now they train all kinds of dog breeds for snow rescue.

[@nneichan9353]

please do not only fill your backpack with emergency items. put some in your pockets, too. do not hike in leggings. use pants like cargo pants. educate yourself, do not rely on guides or friends to know safety measures. if you love hiking you should teach yourself to be your own greatest resource. stay safe out there.

[@stephandesme123]

Extra emphasis on don’t rely on others to know what you should. Been on a lot of trails my friends swore they knew like the back of their hand, only to get terribly lost 😅

[@GeckoHiker]

Have many survival layers, like a survival necklace, extra gear an you pockets, and never hike in freezing weather!

[@russellhamer8690]

Good Advice 👍 👍 👍

[@hillanderson6503]

After you have mastered yourself, teach yourself how you can safely aid others, and carry resources as possible to that end. You never know when you might come across someone who is not prepared

[@Fyre_Blake]

Or just don't carry extra, unnecessary items altogether to reduce overall weight.

[@inelouw]

The size of the group in my opinion was the biggest contributing factor. Even an experienced guide would have had trouble managing such a large group. I think the rules on Ebrusk state that there has to be a guide for every 3 or 4 people, I think? Even for a simple hike, you would want a maximum of 8 people for every guide, not 26. Especially if a large part of the hiking group is older than the guides and not inclined to take them seriously because of their age. A group this size is basically anarchy.

[@aaexyz]

Agreed. Out of all the factors, the most catastrophic was the group size, everything else wouldn't have been that big a deal or that lethal in the end.

[@littlewillowlinda]

It definitely pays to be overcautious in these situations. That size of a group could work for a field trip to the zoo or movie, not a hike

[@WK-47]

Yeah, the professional quoted in the Ebrusk incident video (someone who seemed to actually be qualified) said the ratio should be max 3 climbers per guide... but if that was ignored as recently as 2021, you can bet those kinds of guidelines weren't in place widely or at all 40-50 years ago under a different government.

[@alwaysangry2232]

still hiking is already dangerous, winds that can carry you with easy to a deathfall?, no thanks

[@callumratcliffe7402]

No they where INHABITED by the demon spirits of the mountain dont you know what they are walking on a TITAN GIANT CREATURES that once RULED this INCLOSED PLAIN we LIVE in!!

[@suojelijatar]

I'm Russian and I'm about to go on a hike on the Route 30 on my vacation in a week. when I first learned about that tragedy it was hearbreaking. I always had people with me on hikes who are kind and ready to help even though they didn't know me. It's also my biggest lesson about hiking really. Stay on the trail. Don't wander off. Listen to your instructor. Depend on yourself. Help others. *Never* underestimate nature.

[@iFiReRaiN]

This shows that you are very inexperience. When tragedy starts like this, you need to go into survival mode. The fist mistake is to try and carry someone. It is impossible to survive. Your body will not be able to do it. A lot of people that died, died because of this. This is why even trained climbers will not help the ones that are almost dead. Your help will not do anything only get you killed. The weak woman in the group killed all the good man that tried to help. Man that knew there is nothing they cold do to help survived. If the former solders helped they would have been dead as well.

[@suojelijatar]

@@iFiReRaiN I said help, not carry. If you may do something and it won't kill you, do it. In this case people could help and not die themselves, but they chose not to.

[@ramrodposisi3235]

@@iFiReRaiN nah.. in my country .. westerner lose hiking... Consider die... Tropical climate

[@azrael1982PL]

@@iFiReRaiN, you're confusing hiking in the mountains with summitting Mount Everest.

[@cmcer1995]

@@iFiReRaiN I happen to be a very experienced hiker and mountain climber climbing over 34 14ers in Colorado under all sorts of conditions. I would not want you on any hike or climb I would lead; you are just out for yourself and to hell with everyone else. Kaija obviously has a heart in the right place. There are many people with excellent training in S&R that put their life on the line for those who get into a bad situation and would sacrifice their life to save another human being. That is the Honorable actions of a True Hero, of a True Human Being. Enjoy your life and pray you never get left behind if you are ever in dire straights.

[@SchroderCat]

I like how you acknowledge how some people treat the outdoors like going to Disneyland. They fail to understand the hazards involved.

[@noahmcdarby5417]

Plenty of people have died at Disneyland. I'll take my chances in the wilderness

[@jessehutchings]

And even Disneyland has killed people.. 🤣

[@smellymala3103]

“Apex predators” 😆

[@kenneth6847]

Russians are more hardy than internet jockeys

[@hubertdenise3100]

Yeah.And the people who think the outdoors in places like the UK are completely safe.Just because there are roads and such, doesn’t mean that you’re always gonna be fine.The seas and water bodies of the UK are not tame.You can drown, you can get swept away.Seals can and will attack people if they feel threatened.The red deer will charge at people and attempt to injure you even in Richmond Park in London.The weather can be brutal, you can get dehydration, heatstroke, hypothermia, etc in the UK.The terrain can be extremely dangerous, with sheer rock walls in upland areas or deep bogs.There are large places with no cell signal, which can be far away from people and roads, and where the land all looks the same.The fog can last all day and cause you to get lost.Avalanches happen in the Scottish Highlands.Moral of the story: even if it’s somewhere that seems safe don’t assume it is.Be careful, and stay on the paths you’re using.My mum went off the path in the Lake District, and she ended up lost in the uplands for hours until mountain rescue found her after she ended up in a remote valley pub.It was summer, she had her phone, there was no fog or bad visibility, no rain, but she still got fully lost.

[@dawgpost90]

I go on hikes to get away from people. Doing a hike with this many people sounds like hell.

[@sabrinatscha2554]

Also: very deadly apparently

[@margiwilliams13]

Couldn't agree with you more. I go hiking to get away from people

[@autarko]

Especially when most of them are drunk

[@margiwilliams13]

Been there, done that..hence, leave me the fuck alone!! lol

[@elliebellie7816]

Yeah, hardly seems "restful", eh?

[@Tsumami__]

It’s weird people label every mountaineering or hiking accident that’s happened in former Soviet territory as “another dyatlov”. They’re all just different tragedies that have happened, they just happen to be groups of Russian or Slavic climbers lol

[@kmacksb]

Thanks, yes, there's nothing even remotely mysterious about most of them. (Even Dyatlov Pass isn't really that mysterious.)

[@Breezy336bay]

@@kmacksb what do you think happened to the Climbers of Dyatlov pass? Just frostbite?

[@silentbliss7666]

@@kmacksb have you been there?

[@hideousruin]

It gets clicks

[@hideousruin]

@@silentbliss7666 Have you been to the moon? How do you know it's not made of cheese?

[@sillylilly4794]

Two factors play a big part in this tragedy. First the size of the group, no way could you keep up with that many people. Second alcohol on a hike is not good and leads to bad decisions. But in the end it was the storm that they didn't know was coming is what took them out. This is the first time I have listened to you. I like it.

[@sarge420]

Living in the Pacific NW and attached to the 304th Rescue Team, people need to respect the wilderness. I myself almost was lost near Diamond Peak area.

[@scottcantdance804]

304 Rescue Team, lol

[@kelligray1848]

Every single hiker should have been taught the basics of outdoor survival such as staying together, how to build makeshift shelter and ways to stay warm. What the heck were they doing for those five days they had to spend waiting before they left?!

[@suojelijatar]

they were doing exactly that. I guess it's just not easy to remember in extreme circumstances, especially if you're not hiking that often

[@richardmoore609]

Experienced hikers will always tell you to turn back in conditions like that and at least get to the tree line. You really try and minimize the time you're out of the tree line. The choice to continue was reckless and lead to the death of pretty much everyone that continued.

[@biaberg3448]

They were probably drinking vodka. Russans drink vodka when they’re out in nature, a Russian friend of mine told me. That’s the main purpose of the trip.

[@RedFawcett]

In my opinion this could hardly be called a Dyatlov Pass type case, for that would imply there'd be an unexplained or unknown reason for the disaster that took place. In terms of loss of life, it would be tragic yes, but that factor has a bit of explanation and cause, while even now we still debate the origin of DP to this day. Not downplaying it or anything, I simply feel a comparison between the two incidents might not be warranted.

[@kathyinwonderlandl.a.8934]

Ageed

[@superyamagucci]

Read Dead Mountain by Donnie Eichar on the DP Incident (ha DP Incident 😂) it’s really good.

[@sabrinatscha2554]

I agree but think of it as a tag. If he puts Dyatliov in the thumbnail more people will click on it so you can’t really blame him

[@RedFawcett]

@@sabrinatscha2554 Yeah, you do have a point... can't help but feel 😕 about it.

[@xminusone1]

It's called "clickbait"

[@janbadinski7126]

This is no comparison to Dyatlov pass and this event. Dyatlov pass was a mysterious event, this event was the result of poor preparation and planning.

[@puppiesarepower3682]

These videos have taught me never to underestimate Soviet weather conditions.

[@MarianneKat]

I can totally imagine someone focusing on the beauty of snow and grass in that situation. People do this all the time, focus on the normal to ignore the stressful, that's how you get thru a bad event. I'm icu nurse. And families focus on small things like hands cold or a dressing with a tiny bit of tape coming off, which they can deal with, versus looking at the big picture of a dying loved one on major heroic measures.

[@melodiefrances3898]

This is so true. Your brain is panicking and bouncing around and afraid to land on anything, and then you land on something innocuous, and you fixate on it and exclude the scary stuff. And you remember the safe object in great detail. Colour, shape, size, texture, etc ...

[@luisc3682]

They were focusing on distract the mind from panic. Is like a switch.

[@gamma00crucis]

sure but then recalling it later fully knowing people DIED because you REFUSED to help them?? and then that's all you say on the matter? nah that's some freak shit.

[@beep216]

I was actually going to say this but was a little nervous so I’m glad I wasn’t the only one.now listening to the description of the landscape is an escape from what was happening.It’s not their fault.

[@omgwtfbbqownage]

I've discovered your channel like 2 days ago, and I've seen all your content so far and I just love it. Thank you for it and keep up the good work!

[@positivelynegative3260]

Check out Scary Interesting while you wait for the next upload if you haven't!

[@sprkl5d]

Great video! New sub here! IMO The alcohol had a huge impact on the outcome of this story. Very sad.

[@Iamthelolrus]

Love your videos, thanks for all the work you put into them.

[@kcvail7409]

Even if the wind and snow stopped it would have been a miserable hike, their guide should have turned them back when the first person was blown off the mountain. You do not lose a hiker and keep going when so close to the starting point Snow the first week of September is not unusual in the mountains. Camping equipment mid-70s was nothing like what we have now. A bad time to start of with neophyte hikers for a long, hazardous trek. SOviet, not Saviet

[@dawgpost90]

Eh I don't think it's even clear that the guide knew about the death. Under such conditions, they may not have even known at the time.

[@anthony452]

@@dawgpost90 the conditions should have been enough to turn back after the night of partying.

[@badlander2000]

Actually in Russian it's pronounced "sahviet"

[@Skoot666]

You should cover the Oakey Al Kite case from Aurora, Colorado this one has always stuck with me

[@mauricedavis2160]

Excellent, repeat excellent episode and channel Archie's Archives!!!🙏😢

[@mauser98kar]

18:00 - It may be a coping mechanism, so its not that hard to imagine.

[@djohnson9083]

Very thoughtful and interesting. I was really glad to see you had a new video!

[@Alaska2blessed719]

New subscriber for sure just found this channel I've been binge watching all the stories I just want to give my deepest condolences to all those who have perished in these hiking incidents the story also was very sad that human beings could be so cruel and not helping another fellow human being selfish and sad and inhumane but also thank you for the ones that did help and Aid in getting help to the ones that they could help alcohol and inexperienced guides played a big part in these hikers demise in my opinion😢 May the most high keep everyone safe and blessed!!!!🙏😢

[@mauricedavis2160]

The behavior of those poor souls are exactly what actually happens in real bad situations, basing this observation on 16 yrs of military service...real life incidents do not play out like a hollyweird film or a video game people, pay attention!!!🙏😢

[@shawngross5420]

In this video, the storm was referred to as a hurricane several times. I thought a hurricane was a tropical storm with very storm winds, not a snow storm. I could be wrong, though. To me, the storm described would be called a blizzard. Not a big deal, but I was a little confused at first.

[@robinrichardson6495]

Was beginning to think I was the only one that caught that, but this is not the only story he has claimed a hurricane caused the weather problem - blizzards would have been more accurate.

[@lizlovsdagmara5525]

The reference might be to wind speeds. Hurricane force winds start at about 75 mph. When I was living in the Philadelphia area in about 1992, we had a blizzard come up the East Coast. It was said to have had an eye like a hurricane would.

[@powwowken2760]

At first I kind of understood where the soldier guys were coming from, in an extreme life or death situation their actions make sense. It's cold and certainly not commendable, but it makes sense. But then we have that guys quote how pretty the scenery was and his only concern was that he stumbled a couple times, so clearly at least for him it wasn't anywhere close to an 'extreme' situation and all my understanding disappears.

[@spacerat111]

if it wasn't extreme no one would have died...

[@AccidentallyOnPurpose]

It's in our baser instincts to survive at all costs.

[@WouldntULikeToKnow.]

The soldiers were a disgrace.

[@Alaryicjude]

Agreed. What kind of "men" were they..?

[@you-dont-know-me]

Regarding the small group who died drunk with guitar - maybe they ended up in bad place with no hope of escape, decided that it's the end and thought - alright, seems like we're dead, let's sit down comfortably, finish all the vodka then. Why the guitar guy smiled and was actually holding the guitar? He was most likely playing his favourite melody just before death, enjoying drunk singing with his mates and then they all passed out forever. They may have drunk themselves into oblivion so as not to feel pain or regret and make it quick. It sure beats dying while scrambling through snow losing hope gradually, seeing your friends die, perhaps they ended up in a worst place and saw no way out and decided alright time for the last party, let's check out in style. As Peter from Family guy said "Hey boys let's drink until we can't feel feelings".

[@Youwillalwaysbetheonlyone]

I've been watching your videos. I love not only the content but your calming voice.

[@RodoChaska]

I love the voice of the narrator who does the female voices, I could hear her voice all day

[@dominicsantee8797]

I was just about to comment this!

[@mpazinambao2938]

Same

[@giraffebecky]

Thank you for making these interesting video stories! You’re very good at this!

[@TashaBryanRENegade]

Woo new video! Keep up the great content, loving your channel. Stay safe 💜

[@m.streicher8286]

Hello, happy to see another video :)

[@dawnkobylarz7126]

Thank you Archie!

[@archimedesmaid3602]

in the beginning he says the first leg of the hike usually takes an hour. Then at 7;10 he claims that same leg is 16km. That is a huge discrepancy. With small packs, 16 km would very optimistically take 3 hrs, but likely longer, depending upon trail conditions and altitude changes on the route.

[@welsh.truth.dragon3914]

I don’t understand how this is like the dyatlov pass?

[@marccru]

I mean, if you can't see it, not sure what to tell ya.

[@welsh.truth.dragon3914]

@@marccru seriously, it’s NOTHING like the dyatlov pass. Nothing! Lol . Can you point how it’s “another dyatlov pass “ please ? Maybe I’m just so stupid I can’t see ? Apart from its in Russia I see nothing the same

[@sirridesalot6652]

It was Click Bait title to lure people in to watch the video.

[@KellyfromMemphisDD214]

@@sirridesalot6652 so? Still an interesting story. And I haven’t heard of this one…

[@manimal9871]

@@KellyfromMemphisDD214 nobody asked

[@englishcanuck4930]

Always wait for your videos. Watching it today from Copenhagen! Love from 🇬🇧 aka home ❤

[@gryaznygreeb]

Your pronunciation of Soviet names is very good! I am American not Russian but it's my 2nd language. I would not be surprised if a slavic language is your first language and you just speak English really well. It's so relieving to hear names like Dagomys pronounced properly and not like "daygo-mice" or "duh-go-miss."

[@suojelijatar]

as a russian, I agree! there is an accent of course but it's still good!

[@NikkiDoesStufff]

I’m American too, but I only speak English. I thought he was Russian, he certainly has an accent and pronounces certain English words like someone who speaks another language as their first. I’d be surprised if English was his first language. So I think you’re right in guessing he’s a Slavic native speaker.

[@thekekronomicon590]

That actually sounds really cool. Imagine your at work and your boss walks up to you and says you have been selected for mandatory relaxation hike. Report to designated relaxation location immediately. When you get there it's a group of 50 people who were also randomly selected from all the different factories around the country for mandatory relaxation. I'm gonna put this idea in the suggestion box at work.

[@positivelynegative3260]

Hi Archie! I really enjoyed your stories on Anatoli Boukreev, Salomon Andree, the Lenin peak disaster and the Deyatlov Pass disasters! Crossing my fingers for more arctic/polar expedition failures though, did the Soviet Union or Russia have any disastrous endeavors? Something must have happened in Alaska at some point? Anyway good job with your videos and I look forward to view more.

[@littlewillowlinda]

Those guides should've turned around as soon as they had light rain and smelt the first signs of a storm. Sad. In such a big group they're bound to break up.

[@eucliduschaumeau8813]

Alcohol will warm you up in the beginning, but as it wears off, the danger of hypothermia is many times that of no alcohol.

[@Roughneck7712]

No one knows how they will react during times of crisis. Unless you were there in the situation, be careful to say that you would have acted differently. Everyone loves to picture themselves the heroic white knight, heedlessly running into danger to save the helpless. The reality is that such actions are much harder to make than you can imagine. You literally have to battle against what your body and mind want to do by nature

[@kailaayling9989]

hi Archie watching now hun from london love your work ! russia mysteries x

[@i.p.956]

You can barely control a group of 10 people, imagine controlling 50!

[@charcoal8]

It seems like one of those ones that just too many things went wrong at the same time.

[@noahmcdarby5417]

I'm so glad I live in Arizona and not Russia. Only thing to worry about here is the heat, rattlesnakes, scorpions, black widows, gila monsters, javelinas, black bear, cougars and meth heads. Other than that nature is very friendly out here

[@WK-47]

Ah, yes, famous Arizona wildlife such as the majestic meth head. Don't play dead if you encounter one, because it'll just steal your valuables.

[@roamingirl]

LOL

[@snootcity]

your videos are awesome dude!

[@tessiepinkman]

I don't know how they ever could defend having such huuuuuge groups, and guides who's new and don't seem to know how to lead + being just too few to effectively control such an immense amount of people. This was a disaster waiting to happen. If you're not familiar with nature and hiking, then you should NEVER EVER go out there without adequate training or having a guide that really knows what they are doing. And never join a group where there's more people than the guide/guides can easily control and help.

[@crimsonking440]

Wow, a lot of people with absolutely shit morality in these comments. I hope to be nowhere near them in a dire situation. I wonder if they'd say strangers have no moral responsibility to save a life if it was their own life needing saving? Somehow, i really doubt it. Saving yourself first before helping others is rational. Saving yourself then refusing to help anyone else while they die is abhorrent. If you won't leave your cozy fire for ten minutes to help a dying woman, no one will believe you when you call yourself a man.

[@deecawford]

Awesome educational content

[@danielx555]

I grew up in the Rocky mountains and was surrounded by wilderness. As a child, I was baffled by city people who would come out to the wilderness in order to walk around and pat themselves on the back because they had walked for a day. I still get weirded out when I go into outdoor stores and see all of the equipment and gear and all of the people buying costumes to go walk around in a forest or on a mountain. Like, I think the romance of wilderness hiking is something that only city people really feel.

[@caramelvictim193]

Wait, you get weirded out by ppl buying outdoor gear? What else are they supposed to wear? Slacks and a hoodie? 🤦‍♀️

[@ae2948]

I'm sure Daniel X is disdainful of other people in general - no matter WHAT they're wearing or not wearing.

[@slupot]

When it comes down to it, we ONLY have OURSELVES to rely on for our well being. We cannot count on ANYONE, or any group for our safety and well being. We must learn skills, prepare and train for anything we might do. Even in our own cities and towns we cannot rely on police or emergency services to take care of us.

[@sirridesalot6652]

Hiking in forests or mountains in the wilderness is truly where "what you don't know can kill you". Then again, where do the inexperienced people go to get the experience needed? This and other similar tragedies were often supposed to be EASY hikes. People rely on their guides to know what to do and when to turn back or hunker down. However, some people don't want to do either after paying good money to get there.

[@GeckoHiker]

I was on a US easy hike where three people and their tents were nearly lost. The "leader" had them setup their tents in a wash before a forecasted rainstorm. My hammock kept me dry and safe and my extra gear kept other hikers warm after the disaster. Three is two, two is one, and one is none when it's gone.

[@richardmoore609]

You still need proper gear and leadership which these people had none of. There's also courses out there that will help you get started. There's also a device now that is a personal emergency satellite beacon that will notify emergency services as soon as you press it. They require subscriptions but totally worth it imo and everyone should have one.

[@nobelwarprize]

Don’t question people’s bravery or manhood when survival is at stake. You can’t judge anyone unless you were there under those same conditions and circumstances. Those lads had every right to act in their best interest as any other human.

[@suojelijatar]

disobeying the instructor is a clear violation of rules you're given at the base camps. but even if they aren't liable for creating panic and splitting the group, they still stole clothes for people who were still alive and freezing, instead of helping them. also what's not mentioned in the video is when those military training guys were sitting by the fire, they heard voices of the dying. like, nearby. they didn't move a finger to help them, even though they were warm clothed and trained. even the woman who pled to save her so she could return to her kids (I'm russian, it is all written in the books on the incident).

[@kathylarson8876]

@@suojelijatar how could they help them, very idealist, unless you were there facing death you would have no idea how you would act, to be a hero only to die is rather silly, watching a number of these clips of mountain climbing it would seem that unless you had real resources to help keep going, if someone is freezing to death and not able to continue why do they need clothes, the picture of throwing someone over your shoulder and carrying them down the mountain is movie material

[@manimal9871]

@@suojelijatar none of us have any idea of what they were facing, they had no obligation to risk their lives to save strangers.

[@crimsonking440]

I guess you can justify literally anything no matter how evil with that logic.

[@crimsonking440]

@Manimal Hope you never find yourself in need like they did. I think you'll change your opinion on that.

[@Tina06019]

Fifty-two people - wow. That’s a really big group, it would be like herding cats.

[@esabelmaria]

I love your natural voice, AI hurts my brain, and it's harder and harder to find a human voice now I use a Chrome extension to test when my brain already tells me there is something wrong.

[@Wonderwhoopin]

If your going into a dangerous area situation and need a guide, that’s a good sign for your ass to not go

[@hubertdenise3100]

I think that what happened was when the groups split up, some simply wandered off and got lost and died.The weaker ones were abandoned by the better off ones, while at the campfires I believe there was fighting over the warmth, causing more to die.

[@johnfromdownunder.4339]

I did live my youth in the 1970s but AUSTRALIA, imagine that

[@oldetymebiker2405]

52 strangers, yeah I'm looking out for number one as well in that cluster fuck situation.

[@mauricedavis2160]

Cubs scouts and Boy scouts " be prepared", this credo would serve folks worldwide well!!!🙏😢

[@marccru]

I cannot seem to find any further info on this.

[@jeremydabal9000]

Archie, is there a wiki about it

[@nataliadyer4473]

There's no mystery at all in this case, just people's stupidity and irresponsibility.

[@mattkaustickomments]

Sad proof that even the egalitarian “we’re all in it together” promise on paper of how communism was supposed to be so superior was a fallacy. RIP to those lost.

[@crimsonking440]

Im about as anti communist as it comes, but this event really doesn't prove anything in regards to economic systems. I doubt a free market would have somehow prevented this, and trust me, i love free markets. It's a shame there are none.

[@211212112]

In the group photo what is up with the body and what looks like oversized head pasted onto it? Fourth row like ~third from the right. Just behind and to left of the girl in light blue top.

[@mainemermaid6596]

#1. Lack of emergency proticol. (proper training program for guides). #2. They should have required that at least 1 seasoned guide be present on each tour, serving as the group leader. They really should have divided the group into 2 smaller teams at base camp, and staggered them. #3. Radios & Weather notifications. #4. Gear requirements, including being prepared for changing weather and terrain. #5. No alcohol during the trek. (party at base camp only)

[@mommy2libras]

This happened in 1975 and on a trail that was fairly well know for being really just a hike. A long hike, but a hike. I'm guessing no one would have predicted a hurricane blizzard in the mountains at that point in time and that such a thing had never occurred before, which was precisely why no one was prepared. Not that you can be much "prepared" for winds that come out of nowhere and can literally blown grown men off their feet and tumbling away. Honestly, I'm not sure how much "seasoned" guides could have helped on this either. Seeing as it was, again, basically a hike with no real technical skill involved, as long as they knew the way and the intricacies of the route, basic first aid, how to contact S&R and basic camping skills, there's not much else to know. They could have maybe had better leadership skills but I believe that the only thing that may have changed the outcome would have been to start with a smaller group that was already well acquainted. And even then, they would have lost some. In extreme conditions, some people are just going to do whatever they believe will help them survive regardless and unless the others felt it was ok to sit on or tie down adults simply for wanting to do something different, they're going to do it.

[@MarianneKat]

Russians and Vodka free do not go together. Cosmonauts ' snuck' Vodka to space.

[@hennessy916]

19:00 minutes in the video pisses me off i looked igor name and others there is no info on them or route 30 if any body has info please link hella curious

[@BAValliere]

There’s a lot of judgement thrown at the two soldiers who left on their own to descend by themselves with items they had taken from others. I’m not saying the stealing was right, but you don’t know what you’re capable of until you’re in that situation. They didn’t know those people and they weren’t with them when the others were being “blown into chasms and dying.” To them, they were trying to survive. So of course at the bottom, when they’re getting close to safety, one of them chose to focus on the scenery rather than the disaster they left behind them. It’s called dissociation and many people do that in the face of extreme trauma. And if what they experienced doesn’t count as trauma, I don’t know what does. Let’s try to be more compassionate to ALL of the survivors, even if they did awful things in order to survive. I doubt they’re proud of what they did and I agree with the court that they were extremely emotionally disturbed at the time.

[@Pulapaws]

Believe it are not they acting like normal soldiers. They only train to help their unite if they can and that it. Their never train to help citizens and though out history a lot of them do horrible things to people including raping, ram stacking, etc. that haven’t changed even in modern times at all. I not surprised two of them yolk together like that and did what they did to survive if you look at history it beyond common it just a lot of people make to romanticize war and the army due to books and movies.

[@Kitty-xt6kh]

Agreed!

[@irena4545]

The size of the group and lack of team spirit among them, and the alcohol. If not for the late start, they probably would have reached the next shelter in time. If the group was smaller and tight-knit, they wouldn't have become spread and separated and people wouldn't have been abandoned and lost. As for those military-trained men who just sat on their hands and left their fellow hikers to die, I would very much like to know if there may have been either political pressure or simple nepotism to absolve them of any blame, as acknowledging such selfish cowardice would have undermined the image of a heroic soviet soldier.

[@tessiepinkman]

Interesting point, what you said about the soldiers and them not being blamed for anything. When you said it, I instantly felt like "Yeah, of course!", no proud soviet leader would acknowledge that their soldiers are actually shitty fucking assholes.

[@sabrinatscha2554]

I completely agree with everything you said except the heroic Soviet soldier remark. Just like anywhere else in the world, not everybody in the military in Soviet Russia was necessarily there because they valiantly wanted to serve their country. There would have been plenty of other reasons to join the military and if I am correct, they had mandatory drafts for men who weren’t in education or other types of training. Sure they were good and honest men among them but there was no shortage of dirt bags, either and that is putting it very politely

[@irena4545]

@@sabrinatscha2554 The Soviets liberated the majority of my country from the Nazi and after that propaganda always depicted them as some kind of almost superhuman heroes without any flaws, and the instances of them stealing and raping were swept under the carpet. This is what I was referring to, and I should have put the "heroic Soviet soldier" into the quote marks to clarify the sarcasm.

[@sabrinatscha2554]

Oh wow ok. Yeah, It’s not very often that people actually know about a certain event that happened after Germany fell to the allies. If I even name it in this comment section my comment will be instantly deleted by KZbins algorithms. It’s absurd that nobody is allowed to talk about it in Germany or anywhere else, really without persecution. I’ve always found it appalling that the victims of that atrocity never got any recognition whatsoever

[@irena4545]

@@sabrinatscha2554 I was referring to Czechia, not Germany, but I know what you mean, and, of course, that was never mentioned in the official history, either. And given what is going on in Ukraine, nothing has changed since WWII.

[@BootsORiley]

it's the anniversary of the day that group 93 began their hike: September 09, 2022

[@boro8073]

Two inexperienced guides for 50 people? Alright then. 🤦‍♂️

[@MrOiram46]

Bad weather definitely played the biggest role in this incident; even experienced guides and hikers can find themselves in more than a pinch if caught in bad weather. Plus, if the weather was calm, the entire group would have eventually made it to the next shelter regardless of delays.

[@tomekkruk6147]

Can't blame the army men for leaving. If you put yourself in a dangerous situation, you can't expect others to risk their lives to save you. It's noble if they do, but in a situation like this if a man who's strong and capable decides to leave, then so be it.

[@gamma00crucis]

can and do. they're losers.

[@wolfwhistlewoowoo6297]

WTF would you abandon your supplies/backpack??

[@passivesocialbuzzmarketing8739]

Can anyone explain how a hurricane hit the middle of mainland europe/asia?

[@Dee-JayW]

I believe they were near the Black Sea? Snow hurricanes do happen Im near the Canadian west coast and know of snow hurricanes in Washington State, for example.

[@tscully1504]

I loved hiking but rarely did it anywhere even close to real wilderness. About 3 times I'd gotten turned around and lost for a few hours even very close to roads. Hiking sounds easy and safe but it can turn bad surprizingly quickly. For that reason I am glad I never did try a really long trek. I'd probably have just ended up part of a tragic Burger King pass incident.

[@katherinemonk8174]

First sign of bad weather they should have headed back down because they certainly weren't prepared.

[@vv1.016]

If you want to drink vodka and party, then you should rather go to a bar than to the mountains. Pretty basic stuff..😐

[@mikehenderson631]

Just found your channel checked your content and decided to subscribe

[@jenniferbreaux7385]

People really do suck sometimes. Tragedy brings out either the best or worst in people

[@lillipad_frog]

Hurricanes do not lead yo blizzards. I don’t know the weather phenomenon mentioned in the story but it is impossible to be a hurricane. Tornados are possible in cold areas (there have been 2 tornadoes in my mountainous area in the last 5ish years) but are extremely unlikely.

[@willscheck8072]

the cold killed these people unless you have been cold you wouldn't understand. when you get cold you don't think straight you can get lost when it should be easy to find the way.

[@amberkat8147]

Not that I ever could go on such a trek, I have serious exercise-induced asthma, but if I could, I'd carry a small tent or something anyway. At least a sleeping bag with a tarp to cover it with or wrap around it.

[@greengoblin876]

My asthma seems to be affected by my weight. I wonder if it's the same for everyone!

[@mikemhoon]

I wonder why none of the people in these tragedies think of turning around and going back the way they came?

[@Tina06019]

I think that’s because the folks who turn back avoid becoming part of famous tragedies.

[@timothybelgard-wiley4823]

...and how much alcohol did they have??? Geez, SMH...

[@entiro719]

I get everything but please, saviet uniun?

[@teambeining]

Well, this shows how Dyatlov could have happened, outside of aliens, cannibals, nuclear radiation, government, etc.

[@robinrichardson6495]

Don’t get why every bad storm is called a hurricane - as hurricanes are tropical storms & are like tornadoes (funnels). You said this storm wasn’t a tornado since there was no funnel - so it wasn’t a hurricane either. Every Russian blizzard in your stories (that I’ve listened to so far) have been called a hurricane but should have been called a blizzard

[@nneichan9353]

why only one fire? there is also the 'first save yourself' mentality that is not wrong think in an absolutely high risk situation. there are many tales of people ignoring their own safety to rescue others, and surviving, but even more instances of people saving others...and perishing themselves. The idea not to turn back as soon as horrid weather struck was very regrettable.

[@gamma00crucis]

its one thing to have a selfish mentality, its a totally different thing to go about contributing to the deaths of other people like the army men did lol.

[@nneichan9353]

@@gamma00crucis very true. however, you can also argue that expecting to be rescued also puts many others at risk.

[@TheOldTeddy]

....."it is exactly this kind of behavior the mountains don't like." Fascinating, any chance for a citation?? Do 'the mountains' like jazz or classical music?

[@gryaznygreeb]

It's basically just another way of saying "play stupid games, win stupid prizes." The mountains are dangerous, dangerous things command respect and awareness. Go blindly walking into the mountains drunk and without the proper gear or awareness and you will make mistakes that lead to your death exactly like this. Bringing a bottle of vodka won't trigger the mountain spirits to murder you, but bringing a bottle of vodka and downing the whole thing will cause you to act stupidly and cause your own demise. Mountaineers respect the mountains, divers respect the sea, those who dwell in the jungle respect it. A gun owner respects his firearm, a pilot his plane, a lumberjack his chainsaw. If you don't approach these dangerous things with the proper respect and safe behavior, they will kill you and it will be your fault. The mountains love to show people how weak and small they really are. It's personification - metaphor. Not a hard concept to grasp.

[@travelerforever8849]

mean if you are arrogant, you may died. Just like what happened in Everest.

[@silentbliss7666]

Foolish comment ... All the indigenous tribes, irregardless of which region they are from, know that mountains are living spirits and need to be respected.

[@jerrylum8760]

The most important factor was the bad weather. At the first sign of time they should have turned back to shelter immediately. .the second most important factor was an experienced guide ,instead of 2 inexperienced guides and third , no alcohol /drugs on the trip. So tragic, it came down to survival of the fittest.many heros died trying to help/save lives in vain.

[@chrisk6945]

Those two cowards pretending to have looked for the woman is shameful

[@benv9711]

Inexperienced hikers, the soldiers weren't trained hikers & the booze was a poor choice.

[@elizabethroberts6215]

Each of these types’ of videoes’ posted on YT have the same story. People want to go hike the mountains’, start off, then bad weather sets in, people die. Is it just co-incidence there’s ALWAYS bad weather? Is there a good season that can be ‘normal’, & all have an ENJOYABLE time? Maybe I’m too spoiled living Down Under where the weather is beautiful mostly all year around. Can go camping, bushwalking in National Parks throughout the year. Where I live, there’s NO snow. Can get cold in Winter in various parts’, though.

[@laurieerickson5648]

Does the word hurricane mean something different in Russia? Where I live that is the word for a circular storm formed in the tropics. I have never EVER heard of a hurricane producing snow let alone a blizzard in a COMPLETELY landlocked region of the EXTREME north. Guess I'm off to Google "Russian hurricanes" even if it is an oxymoron.

[@inelouw]

The Krasnodar region is not in the extreme north, it's at the same latitude as Minneapolis. And it's not landlocked but right next to the Black Sea. These may not be tropical storms, but they are classified as hurricane force storms on the Beaufort scale, which causes the confusion in names.

[@TigerLily61811]

I think it's called a hurricane if you have very high winds. If it's cold, then the rain freezes and turns to sleet/snow. I live in the Northeastern US on the coast so I've seen a few snowstorm hurricanes. Obviously in the 21st century we always have plenty of warning to prepare. However when I think about the ones I've seen - it starts out as pretty normal rain/snow and stays that way for a while, and if you didn't know it was a hurricane you'd think it was a normal snowstorm. When the winds finally do come they kick in pretty suddenly and it's intense - and it can go like that all night.

[@suojelijatar]

there's such thing as "hurricane wind" here, it was not the hurricane

[@misarthim6538]

My bet is it's a mistranslation of Russian term 'uragan' which means very strong wind.

[@engespress]

It's shocking how ill-prepared people are for hiking. Should always prepare for rain, snow and blizzard. Must wear or carry enough clothing to deal with -10 degree weather, even if it's summer, if you are going on an overnight hike. And everything must be waterproof. Seems like the organizer was lax.

[@motsumilioness]

Hurricanes are rare in Russia. They would get typhoons from Japan, mostly on the Kamchatka side. The Red Sea can't support a massive hurricane as it's too small and isn't conducive for development. I'm questioning this hurricane thing. It sounds more like a derecho.

[@miapdx503]

The guides were young and inexperienced. The military men who were capable were unwilling to aid others. Sad.