KOLA PENINSULA TRAGEDY: Chivruay Pass Incident // Yet Another Dyatlov Pass

[@ArchiesArchive]

List of sources used in this video (most of them are only available in Russian, but you can use Google Translate): 1) www.kp.ru/daily/27049/4115430/ 2) samlib.ru/n/nagaew_w_m/22.shtml 3) russian.rt.com/russia/article/606125-kolskii-poluostrov-pogibli-turisty 4) russian7.ru/post/chivruayskaya-tragediya-pochemu-ee-sravn/ 5) cont.ws/@valentindeg/1419006 6) tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/2019818833-i7jAb.html 7) goarctic.ru/history/ne-tolko-gruppa-dyatlova-desyat-smertey-u-svyashchennogo-ozera/ 8) www.mvestnik.ru/crime/po-sledam-zametennym-desyatkami-zim/ 9) gipotezi.ru/sekretnye-materialy/pereval-dyatlova-na-chivruae 10) news.rambler.ru/other/41786563-kak-v-1973-godu-pri-strannyh-obstoyatelstvah-v-gorah-kolskogo-poluostrova-pogibli-turisty/ 11) dyatlovpass.com/chivruay-incident-2-ru 12) sgpress.ru/news/89391 13) www.gazeta.ru/culture/2019/02/20/a_12197059.shtml 14) 24smi.org/article/199626-47-let-so-dnia-chivruaiskoi-tragedii-chto-izvestno.html

[@jeffreybaker4399]

Archie, quick question, please feel free to correct my assumptions/math. This expedition starts on 25 January. Isn't that about 6 1/2 hours daylight at that time of year? It looks to be "enough" to carry out the hike, but it doesn't seem very inviting. Comment?

[@katiekawaii]

Thank you for being a responsible creator and citing your sources! So important, but sadly so rare.

[@Rando_Shyte]

Yeah how about using Celsius and KG so the entire world except for the US can understand wtf you are talking about

[@K7classicrockfan]

One thing I've learned from these videos, russia's mountains don't want people there.

[@toshiyaar7885]

Totally! Marathoning them today today! Holy moly!

[@poutinedream5066]

And if it involves anything referred to as "a pass" I'm not goin.

[@roberthickerty390]

It seems most of Russia does not like people.

[@universalflamethrower6342]

@@roberthickerty390 it sorta tolerates Russian, that is why the Russians can use their entire country as a bioweapon

[@garymccallum667]

@@universalflamethrower6342How, did Russia create Covid?? So what are you talking about.

[@OlyviaGayl]

Rule Number One: Do NOT go hiking in mountains in Russia!

[@ericar3129]

😂😂 EXACTLY!!

[@bogdangabrielonete3467]

Rule Number Two: DO NOT go hiking in mountains in Russia *in the snow* !

[@jamescooke7243]

6ps - prior preparation prevents piss poor performance. A rule to live your life by and one that could save many lives

[@samsadjahan1027]

Was thinking same also feeling high urge to go there

[@whitedragoness23]

It’s like these mountains are luring people in despite being dangerous death zones

[@kikimii]

If you want to get rid of someone - just send them hiking in russia.

[@pammaggio8135]

FACTS!

[@spiritmatter1553]

Or send them cave diving.

[@ericar3129]

😂

[@whyareyoulikethis2819]

@@spiritmatter1553 or send them cave diving in Russia?

[@larryarevalo4518]

. . or get him to go car driving in Russia !

[@banjoist123]

On one of the videos about the Dyatlov tragedy, it was explained that in Russia, "hiking" is what in the US we would call "mountaineering" or "mountain climbing". To us, a hike is something you do in the woods on a sunday afternoon in the summer. Apparently, this is a serious athletic pursuit in Russia, with clubs, organizations, and certifications based on performance and experience. I live in Texas, and the only thing that looks like a mountain around here is the sanitary landfill:) These are great videos. It is so common on YT for producers to use stock photos for everything. Yours are always either directly taken from the incident or at least related to the area. Thank you!

[@mrOL100]

Yes, you're right. In Russia, "hiking" is usually something extreme.

[@c.w.8200]

Yes, I was wondering about this. In Alpine hiking you might have to climb some rocks and people do fall to their death regularly but what these Russians are doing fits better with what I would call mountaineering or even an expedition.

[@fredgervinm.p.3315]

I was in the service and know about forced marches and carrying an Alice pack. I always wondered why all these guys die "Hiking." Now mountain climbing is another thing...

[@laius6047]

Not exactly. I'm from Eastern Europe and my parents were doing plenty of hiking in those days. Hiking was hiking. It wasn't mountain climbing etc. There horror stories are horror for reason, it because of extremely bad decision making or bad weather or both. But in general it was usually just a group of people going for a hike with backpacks, tents, loads of fun etc. I even have a book from around 80's about hiking. There's food rationing, various techniques, survival tips etc. It's not considered mountaineering

[@tashaderosier7424]

The only mountain is the sanitary landfill, lmao 😂

[@eucliduschaumeau8813]

Having studied Dyatlov Pass and the Korovina group. This was more related to the Dyatlov Pass Incident. There was no way they could survive these conditions. The weather was extreme, their gear and clothing was grossly insufficient, their skill levels were not sufficient for the conditions, they split up the group, they camped in a prone position and it became a "Perfect Storm" that nobody could have survived. At a temperature of -15 degrees Fahrenheit, the moisture in your nostrils will freeze temporarily when you breathe and with the wind-chill factor, any exposed skin will get frostbite.

[@CoralHullforJesusChrist]

Re: comparison: Yes, ... but in the Dyatlov case, the weather wasn't extreme. Their gear and clothing were sufficient, at least until they fled the tent and their skill levels were definitely sufficient for the conditions, but not after fleeing the tent and being attacked. Mostly, they died as a combination of their injuries and hypothermia.

[@eimsbush05]

Can you explain what is meant by "When the two air streams collided it was like an explosion. The blast..." I mean its not actually an explosion I guess but I still can't find anything about those kinda phenomenons. Not even something comparable.

[@corvusduluth]

@@eimsbush05 Katabatic winds.

[@eimsbush05]

@@corvusduluth Ah, thanks ;)

[@poutinedream5066]

I wouldn't walk to the store without half the North Face inventory.

[@yoursotruly]

No mystery, when you fight the mountain, it always wins. There is no possibility that the Soviet military was out in that storm, nobody was out there but them and the mountain.

[@ericar3129]

So you think the military doesn't have the proper gear and resources to survive? All militaries are known for pushing their soldiers to the limits of what a human can handle

[@poutinedream5066]

Where 15 degrees is considered "fairly mild " 😏 Just hearing that made my African ancestors shiver

[@jamesharen8607]

Well they were there so it's only logical that some other group of some type, such as military, could also be there for some reason..since its completly unknowable I wouldn't say "no way"..imagine if you were watching another story about two hikers that died of exposure in the same mountains and went to look up the date and realized it was that same storm...you'd probably would have said ."there's no way there was an expedition out there that could of rescued them"

[@windyday6850]

"Supernatutal forces drove them crazy" it's cold and this is actually a pretty natural force.

[@nosuchthing8]

@Chloe KM No that's not true. Supernatural means outside normal physics.

[@mauricedavis8261]

Not just natural, its "Supernatural!"🙏😬

[@dessertstorm7476]

But what about their eyeballs bro u can't explain that!

[@windyday6850]

@@dessertstorm7476 do you have cats or dogs? because well, make sure to not die alone because you won't have yours either. animals, man.

[@toshiyaar7885]

Yes... But super natural

[@lisaskatesIRL]

Never knew I was into mountaineering disasters....but here we are, 6 videos later. 😅 Thanks for your work and uploads!

[@williebeamish5879]

Well, there's caving and diving disasters, too. But I tend to watch more mountaineering disasters myself, having lived up north in the winter for a long time. Have to have respect for nature.

[@friibird]

Same, but it made sense once I thought about it. Personally been into true crime content, docs about financial scandals, and natural/ man-made disaster breakdowns for a long time. I suppose these 'failed expedition' documentaries kind of fall close enough to all three.

[@ladybugmom10]

Oh heck I’m at 20 2 weeks later 😮

[@lisaanderson5747]

Same here. Was interested in Dyatlov Pass and found this channel.

[@jakeduddey8363]

It is great to finally see a well deserved first ever video in english on the Chivruay Incident. The Group needed to also be recognized and hopefully this will start a chain reaction. Keep up the great work and I hopefully and truly look forward to if you make a video on Dyatlov's Pass. And I look forward to what's in the future to. To the memories of those who died in nature and the mountains and mostly to Groupa Chivruay, Groupa Korovina, Groupa Shatayeva and Groupa Dyatlova, you all are never forgotten!

[@scallopohare9431]

Groupa Shataeva? I know of the other three, actually just learned of Chivruay in this video.

[@jakeduddey8363]

@@scallopohare9431 , My bad for the late reply. Yes I mean't the Shatayeva group as I spelled the name wrong, that was led by Elvira Shatayeva that perished on Lenin Peak. I accidently spelled the name wrong. There is a video of this before the Chivruay video on this channel.

[@cincin4515]

That's a lot of groups.

[@paulinag.2412]

I've hiked in Khibiny mountains and Lovozerskie Tundry for 10 days in autumn. Weather was changing by the minute. Not very high mountains, but dangerous, because they are located that far north. So I don't think there is a need to look for another reason to explain the hikers' death.

[@garymccallum667]

Mountain's don't need to be high, as I found out to my shock. Being caught out in a blizzard at the top of 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 highest (only 4500ft) I was in a group of 5 who spent the night on the north facing side, because we couldn't move any further because of the whiteout & the wind & ice. But obviously your more experienced in colder conditions than N.Scotland (Russia??) Sorry I've never heard of those mountain's, but the Tundra bit sounded Russian & bloody frozen 😁 Good luck in future venture's. (P.S) have u watched his other video of the 2021 Russian mountain incident ?? I know he's made 3 or 4 but only 1 as recent.🤞👍

[@megansimonson]

Your editing is so enjoyable to watch and so well thought-out, I feel like I've stumbled upon a hidden gem of KZbin. :)

[@compassioncampaigner728]

Precisely !

[@lauriepenner350]

A party of inexperienced hikers goes on a challenging hike, gets blindsided by a massive storm and freezes to death? Inconceivable!

[@kdworak4754]

Oh Laurie

[@julzyboy8960]

Oh Dworak

[@drats1279]

Not inconceivable if you think past the end of your nose. People have got to know their limits based on knowledge and experience. Those who don't sometimes pay the price. There is an old saying for those who venture unprepared into adventures, you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.

[@julzyboy8960]

@@drats1279 You're correct but Laurie was bieng sarcastic.

[@nerdisaur]

Wind of 110km/h at your back? You don’t even have to move at that speed, the wind will carry you on your skis

Not Km/h, MILES That's like 160 - 180 Km/h

[@spiritmatter1553]

And here I was about to say that 110 km = 68 miles.

@@spiritmatter1553 F 😅

[@tabby73]

I can't imagine they could even have stayed upright in those wind speeds.

[@compassioncampaigner728]

Those winds are incomprehensible. Not only are they bio-mechanically a struggle (standing up, moving) but imagine how fast that movement of air can suck the heat from your body. Now....add wet or dump clothing to the wind abuse. Seems like only minutes would be needed to extinguish life....the human spirit's ability to inexplicably survive lethal challenges notwithstanding.l

[@indi3066]

As someone born in Russia i appreciate your impeccable pronouncing of Russian names)

[@nerdisaur]

I can tell you’re Russian because your smiley face has no eyes :)

[@indi3066]

@@nerdisaur i was just born in Russia but I'm actually not Russian 😂

[@Flint-Dibble-the-Don]

So..... nevermind.

[@queengoblin]

@@indi3066 being born is Russia makes you Russian lol

[@troubletime8684]

Women with Russian accent always sounds (and look) sexy 😻

[@bulllea]

there was probably some hundred cases like that in my country . and we have only some 2000 meters high mountains . nothing unusual here . "don't go hiking in the winter" , "be careful , mountain can kill you !" . I grew up with this things . it's common occurrence . every year some hikers will die . nothing supernatural , only elements and stupidity .

[@rollotomassi8251]

Where is your country? Same here in Sweden.

[@whitedragoness23]

Are they mainly tourist or locals?

[@bulllea]

@@whitedragoness23 locals

[@laius6047]

Well people like "supernatural" stories and even romaticise tragedy. But in reality all of these accidents are bad weather, bad decision-making, and some bad luck. Nothing supernatural

[@megami.x]

So one of the hiker’s cousins had their car *coincidentally* spontaneously combust with him *coincidentally* inside it, the day before his trip to try to find out what happened? WTF is going on in the mountains of Russia?????

[@tammyashley3816]

Very good question. I do alot of hiking. I carry everything I need to survive for at least 3 days. Even on a 5 or 10km hikes. You can fall and become incapacitated. I'm 59 and very healthy but a bad fall could leave me in a bad spot.

[@megami.x]

@@tammyashley3816 That sounds like a very smart thing to do! Do you also have a personal locator beacon? I saw someone recommending that on a video about missing hikers but I am not a hiker.

[@tammyashley3816]

@@megami.x Yes. Safety first. I have a lot of family that I have to think about. In the winter I snowshoe.

[@theia1653]

That was a bad omen.

[@theia1653]

@@tammyashley3816 Three weeks, from all the scary stories about the woods and mountains, plus gun and locator.

[@willyD200]

The Kola tragedy seems straigh forward. Not equipped sufficient enough for the environment. Birds or small animals would explain for the missing eyes, soft tissue would be exactly what small predators go for first. Onset of hypothermia would explain various garments being exchanged or off. I don't think anything sounds suspicious about this incident at all. The very high winds would lower the temperature down to deadly degrees, frostbite would happen fast and make everything else nearly impossible to accomplis , setting up a tent or starting a fire would be impossible. People continue to do irrational acts , learning nothing from their own or their peers experiences. Sad, but certainly nothing like the Dayatlov incident.

[@noemyemma9035]

I think its similar to the Dyatlov pass incident, with the missing eyes, tongue of one hiker and movement of the bodies, which could be explained by snow bulding up near the tent and eventually collapsing.

[@edwigcarol4888]

Absolutely... Here our dear narrator adds unnecessary mystery stuff to support his story, which could be very short. 7 young people caught in a blizzard died of hypothermia. Period. The only mystery is how russian people could underestimate blizzards ? They are not from the tropical region !

[@brendanwood1540]

Dehydrated bodies turn dark brown and leathery. Usually birds eat the eyes. It's not unusual to have a closed casket when bodies are exposed to the elements.

[@bujfvjg7222]

Ah, this is why the Egyptians had sarcophagi!

[@aliciaacevesestrada8946]

Cannot fandom how the algorithm showed me this channel but boy am I thankful. Pretty happy to be here at the beginning of such a promising channel.

[@spiritmatter1553]

*fathom. ☺️

[@jonstfrancis]

Looks like a lovely place to hike.... but not in January!

[@sarahwincer2990]

It looks like you just started this channel a few months ago and if so I wanted to say that I love this content and the way you tell the stories! You tell these very clearly and have me on the edge of my seat. Also your sources and links are very professionally done. I look forward to more of your videos!

[@ericar3129]

Thanks you for covering this! Everyone does Dyatlov, a few do Khamer Daban, NO ONE acknowledges this one.

[@johnr797]

What is there to acknowledge? Hikers/skiers die of hypothermia all the time

[@user-zg6kb7jf4l]

@@johnr797 Well, it is still pretty tragic and the victims should be remembered.

[@miguelpereira9859]

I appreciate that you actually went visit one one of those remote russian regions, I bet many of these mystery youtubers and commentors baiting ridiculous theories would understand that it's not hard to imagine dying of cold in these russian mountains

[@McSnezzly]

Very cool that you went there yourself. It’s possible that more than one reason is the real reason. Mountains are considered holy places for many religions and cultures, and for good reason.

[@jimbob-robob]

The only mystery here is why they (or anyone) would go out there in the height of winter ..

[@percivalhowell7516]

The expedition, led by a law student, a hiking club member, a singer, and a factory worker. Seems like sending cub scouts into the Himalayas.

[@peteramirdjanov3578]

I onced hiked during winter when I was 21. I had a good sleeping bag up to 15 f (extreme). Temperature fell to -13 F during the night. My friends who promised to take a small tent furnace decided to save weight and not take it. Luckily that was in European part of Russia in a forest, not very far from town, and terrain had no mountains. I had plenty of food. I spent 3 days unable to sleep - each night I was chopping dead pines with hand axe and was burning them in fire and they burnt extremely fast. After that funny adventure I decided that I never ever go on a multi day skiing hike during the winter. Why this story is relevant - other team members after this training went to similar winter hike in Khibiny mountains - not much far from the location of the tragedy described in the video. Everything went well for them, but they also decided not to continue with winter hikes. It was totally normal for students to go on such hike if they met difficulty category experience criteria.

[@isirlasplace91]

Excited to watch another of your videos!!

[@sithlordhibiscus9936]

All indicators point to something completely natural BUT whenever you have a a gov't agency involved a/o silencing/restricting the press and the old "lost documents" excuse, it's suspect, unfortunately. I don't think the USSR had something to do with every single death that ever occurred or occurs in mountains.

[@AntediluvianRomance]

That's why the USSR is always suspected. All they did was the usual press censoring and using its military as as emergency task force. And also have a lot of jobs in the homeland security / military related industry which were comfortable and well-paid enough for those people to afford a hobby like mountaineering. LOL.

[@sithlordhibiscus9936]

@@AntediluvianRomance Hmm that's interesting. I can appreciate it coming from a Russian (?) viewpoint, as well since we (all) have biased views of events or places based on what our governments allow us to see or know. We were not even told about Venera probes successfully landing on Venus, which is truly a global mission which deserved praise regardless of the Cold War a/o who was behind the success. Area 51 is a great example of one that our gov't censors though it's probably just a place for nuclear testing and not harbouring some type of alien life form. lol. Put another way, *I* don't think they're dissecting aliens or studying alien technology. lol. I would love to see the Kola peninsula and experience the odd weather patterns more so than wonder how they died as it does seem obvious that no foul play was involved.

[@AntediluvianRomance]

@@sithlordhibiscus9936 There truly are some experiences which are quite familiar to the residents of the former Soviet territories. Like the general atmosphere and attitude one could expect, e.g. people's feelings not being a priority. Or keeping all the negative news out - including active serial killers who obviously weren't planted by government but could make the law enforcement look bad until they got caught. You get used to irresponsibility too. I am Russian, indeed, and I grew up hearing stories my family told me and watching our society progressing from that state to how it is now. My mother had been working for a high-security construction bureau for several years before she had me and was made to leave. It was a regular facility, located in a large city, and the engineers just signed a non-disclosure paper, that's all. So there was a bunch of such objects in many cities in addition to the full high-security towns and bases here and there which had really resticted access (like the nearby town around the atomic power station). I'm sure it's not unusual, but in the USSR all such objects could only be governmental, and that makes a lot of secret governmental jobs. My mom and her colleagues and friends were into local tourism themselves, but they usually went kayaking to the White Sea area, it was simple and affordable enough. It needs less special equipment than mountaineering. She told me about being careful with the weather, and usually people would check the forecast beforehand because not always they had means to re-check later. She also had her documents from another workplace lost in the 90s. Supposedly with a large part ot that company's archives. Those were harsh times and even the governmental structures cared less. There's also a long tradition of papers being lost in general. Come on, we still have medical records in paper, and they get lost every now and then. I haven't been to Kola peninsula myself, but it should be remembered that it's a very northern place. Like the north of Scandinavia and the nothern edge of mainland Canada. It's also strongly affected by the winds from the sea and sees generally high humidity. I've been to sothern humid mountains in Caucasus, and it's already chilly in the relatively low sightseeing areas, with clouds crawling around down the slopes. It feels weird sometimes strolling through the fog on our tame and flat 60th parallel. I can't imagine what it would feel like to wander through a low cloud in the area where the average temperature in July, the height of summer, is about 50°F. I mean, people get paid more and retire earlier just for living in that area. Those must be quite beautiful but unfriendly places.

[@queenbee6345]

WOW, thanks again for your wonderful take on these situations. Such sad stories of death of such young lives lost. Enjoyed as always👏👏👏👏

[@mrOL100]

In August 2021 I went camping hiking to Khibiny (Kola Peninsula) The weather changes literally in five minutes. The sun was just shining and now it's pouring a heavy downpour. We sat in the tent for a day and a half holding it by the walls so as not to be broken by the wind, I didn't even want to think what would happen if the tent was broken.

[@mihaelachihai4047]

And, what happened? Weather became better? You renonced hiking and turned around?

[@mrOL100]

@@mihaelachihai4047 After a strong wind was fine again, the sun was shining brightly. We continued our hike. The incident with the rain was remembered later and laughed. There was something to remember. The Khibiny mountains are very interesting

[@girlfriday1299]

I really enjoy your stories! It certainly makes you wonder about the mountains of Russia! Good luck with your channel! 👍👍

[@compassioncampaigner728]

This channel is a gem !

[@ytho8838]

Most of the time the secret to those remarkable and weird happenings is pretty simple: A healthy body doesn’t just peacefully lie down and give in to a peaceful death. Survival instinct is our oldest, most primal and strongest instinct left. All kinds of (already mentioned) misfirings are about to happen. It’s gruesome, it’s primal but it’s not a yeti

[@spiritmatter1553]

People who die of hypothermia go pretty peacefully. They start to feel sleepy and warm. Then they fall asleep and die.

[@ytho8838]

@@spiritmatter1553 unless the compulsion to paradoxically undress hits you first

[@katiekawaii]

And something as complex as the brain can start doing crazy things when any part of its normal functioning is disturbed. Even a simple lack of sleep can cause hallucinations and impaired decision-making.

[@whitedragoness23]

@@spiritmatter1553 I heard it can be hard to break someone out of that state. Is that true?

[@tashaderosier7424]

Definitely not a yeti.

[@evab.6240]

You channel is bound to go viral. Good work!

[@elbaestridge6503]

Good work. Lucky to find your channel. Looking forward for more 👍.

[@theweedusama]

Great channel...love the editing and storytelling! Glad I found this

[@djohnson9083]

Your videos are interesting and informative. There is so much to learn! I also liked seeing you on the ski slopes near to the tragedy.

[@ArchiesArchive]

Thank you so much! Ski slopes are on the other side of the mountain range, not exactly where all that happened.

[@deannilvalli6579]

I find absolutely nothing about this case to be mysterious or unexplainable. People just enjoy finding more bizarre reasons to explain why people die.

[@bujfvjg7222]

Can one will thyself to death? What about spontaneous combustion? Is that bizarre more than uncanny? Using Occam's razorz it's get you nowhere with these! Lolz

[@eddiec4536]

Humans are so vulnerable to extremes in weather. I think the official report sounds true. Great video and all your research you put into this story.

[@jubran7469]

I love your videos, thank you for the content!

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

different massif, nearer to Apatittyy city, but just to give you an idea of winter conditions...: fog, snow blows at such speeds that the wall of wind feels more solid than the soft moving snow beneath you feet... things such as smaller stones, logs, and the touring-kettle full of water is blowing away, and it is difficult to keep anything on the ground. low density, plus high winds, means that any fire tends to become smothered, the air gives cold burns any exposed parts of skin. strip-mine tractor headlights become totally invisible at a dozen feet, a flame or torch light shines a couple of inches from it's source... and this weather can last for hours, days or a couple of weeks. (15 days non stop and a few 10 - 200 hour long smaller storms in those 40 days that we were there)

[@autarko]

Wow that's incredible. Surely nobody would go out camping by choice if there was any risk of those conditions! 40 days of hell for you.

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

@@autarko my trip was visiting a research group, but, there are types of people who enjoy that kind of thing... and some of them are my fairly close friends... it's like with any extreme sport... a form of adrenaline / pain-addiction... those who become "into it" cannot think of anything else... basically, it is a chemical addiction to something your brain produces when under extreme pain. though probably the sense of achievement is also a significant part of it.

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

@@autarko would not say it was hell, at least not to the young me at the time... I would not go there myself voluntarily, but... in the group I was in (the friends I mentioned in my other comments) it was almost fun... definitely an experience I will long remember and share with them. I mean, for them, having those acquaintances of a friend on the research group (my cousin and his friend) was just an excuse to get out there...

[@autarko]

@@stanislavkostarnov2157 I can understand that. Achieving together through adversity builds strong friendship and also mental toughness. I would mainly be concerned that the conditions are so changeable that you'd need to be somewhat prepared for the worst whenever you go out. It's also good to realise when in company that the most dominant personality is not always the most careful or empathetic.

[@autarko]

And people tend to have a false sense of safety in numbers.

[@jchavez53]

Easy on your map showing locations...my eyeballs were spinning so fast trying to follow along, I had no idea what you were talking about.

[@whitedragoness23]

It was dizzy wasn’t it? Good thing I mainly listen to KZbin vids with head phones

[@jeffwoods4406]

yeah I feel ya, hey @archie'sarchive can you also draw some lines on your maps so it's easier to follow?

[@Darkkfated]

I mean, it's all right there: At those elevations, with high humidity, and those temperatures, they would have needed Arctic-level clothing and gear to survive. It would have felt like negative God-knows-what and any exposed skin would have been frostbitten within minutes. And even if you do get out of the wind (in tents or whatnot), it's cold enough even without the windchill that staying warm enough to avoid hypothermia without some EXTREME cold weather gear is basically impossible. Sadly, they doomed themselves by walking into a high-altitude, Arctic-level blizzard dressed in clothing that was only sufficient for "really cold", not "going to the North Pole cold". But hey, I suppose that hypothesizing about conspiracies, super-human Military maneuvers, and mountain spirits is more dramatic.

[@soyounoat]

Two colliding air streams "squeezed people's eyeballs from their sockets and tore their eardrums", or possibly there was an ice storm in hell.

[@poutinedream5066]

I was wondering is this really a thing. In the 70s, the Soviet Union and China would tell mfs anything

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

not squeezing out eyeballs maybe, but certainly wind can leave quite bad bruises (personally had that happen) or, how about sanding the skin with ice particles to the level when it bleeds (also from experience...) 200knots wind with flying hardened diamond-like ice crystals can do all sorts of nasty things to you!

[@kpd3308]

It is BS

[@praneethlokini6557]

Looking forward to more videos like this 👍🏻

[@alandolezalek9088]

Love this channel. Easy to follow with great details. Feels very real. Well researched. Being in the situation of the hikers gives me shivers.

[@jjroyal8530]

Great story, I wonder if we’ll ever find out what happened , great Channel, best of luck from Ireland ! ! !

[@shoutitallloud]

You have very interesting channel. I never knew about those mountain incedents,except "Dyatlov pass" story. P.s. I'm from Russia.

[@welsh.truth.dragon3914]

Check out the khamar debar incident

[@shoutitallloud]

@@welsh.truth.dragon3914 I did. I never knew about it until watching this channel

[@CheetahSnowLeopard]

Archie, you do a great job with these videos.

[@changeshifter4852]

You showed up in my feed yesterday so this is in thanks to the algorithm gods. I am in Canada and only knew about the Dyatlov Pass story before your channel so I have subbed and will enjoy bingeing the others. One English tip for you: you spoke of a plaque on a memorial and pronounced it as 'playgue'. That pronunciation denotes a widespread disease. Same word pronounced 'plak' describes the (usually) cast metal plate with text you find affixed to a memorial/post. Excellent English otherwise :)

[@bekah9651]

New sub here ! Loving this channel

[@grumpyguy2877]

Good Video. I think the weather and lack of preparation doomed them. The 110 Km winds (Approximately 70 MPH) disoriented them and lead to their deaths May they Rest In Peace

[@babybear2395]

LOVE THIS CHANNEL ! ❤ 😍

[@wendys390]

Narrator, you sound like Steve Martin's "Wild and Crazy Guy" from old SNL. It's a good thing :)

[@ironmaidenmetalgod]

This is a good channel

[@susanhooper6431]

if it was one of the groups birthdays maybe they drank too much and decided they didnt need to sleep or wait til the morning and like a lot of young people when drunk thought they were invinsible to any danger? just a thought.

[@murph7141]

I tend to binge watch videos like this as well as cave diving and other exploring type situations and I always think the same thing, man, I wish I had even a third of the nerve people who do this stuff have but I'm also extremely thankful I don't. Terrifying

[@rtqii]

And truly horrible deaths... The Nutty Putty and Sand Cave incidents. I have done some caving, but will never go underground again. I am also terrified of heights and I cannot even watch some of the KZbins of BASE jumping and wingsuit dives without experiencing distress. I recently watched some unforgettable video of a BASE jumper who had become overconfident, and they were jumping from a cliff into a valley in a National Park where the jumps were banned, and park rangers were waiting to arrest people below. This woman was wearing a striped prison costume for her jump. It turned out the Park Service was seizing the parachutes of the jumpers after they landed as part of the arrests, so this woman was not wearing her regular rig. She jumps, I have never seen the video of her impact with the ground... But you can hear it on several recordings. The video shows that she was reaching for the chute release, but she was not using her regular rig, and the chute release was located in a different place... She did not have time to figure out the mistake.

[@murph7141]

@@rtqii horrifying

[@Bee-jq2yi]

I know this comment is a year old but if you know any channels like this that also discuss cave dive incidents I’d love to check them out

[@murph7141]

@@Bee-jq2yi kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJDRmWR6rb6LZsk Here is one.

[@shinjukucalling763]

Bro you deserve so many fuckin subscribers. Keep going!

[@kopczas]

Good stuff, give us more!!!

[@AutumnWind92]

Instantly subbed. Not annoying voice talking about soviet conspiracies. I grew up with those stories. Also mph/farenheit....why?

[@erynlasgalen1949]

Probably to make it more understandable to the US audience. Metric is for the scientists, but our below zero is colder than the metric below zero.

[@AutumnWind92]

@@erynlasgalen1949 US sure but the whole world uses metric system. Couldn't hurt to at least show the metric system on the screen now could it?

[@emmalikesflowers]

Of course I had to look up temperature converter to see what -30F was at Celsius and apparently it’s -34.4C. I can’t wrap my head around this😳

[@shiftxrqt]

Not even Russian bears hike in winter,

[@frost1183]

I’ve been too the Kola Peninsula in the coldest month. I can tell you it’s brutal. It’s almost shocking.

[@kailaayling9989]

big ;ove uk awesome content dyatlov pass and the Korovina incident so sad and extremely strange !

[@welsh.truth.dragon3914]

The kamahar debar is exactly the same as this incident. Again Russian

[@nosuchthing8]

At those temps, with inadequate clothing, the wind would cut right through you.

[@AJShiningThreads]

Finally someone doing these stories who has actual outdoor experience!

[@cali.girllivinnnevada8]

Oh man, I hope you cover or have already covered the Dyatlov Pass incident 🤞🏼 because I have been binging your videos for the past 24 hours straight! 🤤

[@spiderblackwidow8747]

Excellent work on this video 📹 👏 👌 👍 🖤👽😱😰🥶

[@Marryjanesbud]

Wait so the Eyes exploded out of their sockets and ear drums ruptured from the blast force of a hurricane mixing into a snow storm. How? Is it something to do with the low pressure of the hurricane?

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

There was no hurricane there. Hurricanes are tropical weather systems. They do usually move polewards, but die off (or turn into extratropical storms) once they interact with midlatitudinal flow at about 35 to 45 degrees or so. Having a hurricane form in the North Atlantic, and then moving north of Scandinavia and going all the way to Russia is a silly claim. I would only believe that if I saw it. Hurricanes require warm sea surface temperatures. Sources: I study hurricanes for a living. It could be a mistranslation, though. I think arctic storms can have a structure somewhat similar to a hurricane, but I am absolutely no expert on those. The thing with the eyes is also silly. A low pressure system isn't a vaccuum cleaner. Hurricanes hit land somewhat frequently, and I have yet to see a video of an eye being sucked out of the skull of any animal. The most reasonable explanation is that the eyes are just the first thing to go after death. I heard in many videos about hiking accidents (such as the Dyatlov pass) that after death in a cold environment like that, the eyes and tongue decay extremely rapidly. However, I haven't checked with an expert if that is really true. It doesn't sound weird to me, but take it with a grain of salt. The absence of eyes explains the closed caskets at the funeral, by the way. Imagine your mom going to your funeral. Would you want her to see that? All in all, the whole "the storm sucked their eyes out" thing is completely ridiculous. That is literally not how storms (or eyes) work. The lowest central pressure in a tropical cyclone was in typhoon Tip (which is structurally identical to a hurricane, the different naming is due to historical reasons) with 870 hPa. This is still higher than what you'd have in the mountains. You don't have your eyes sucked out when you're in the mountains, though. Not even on the highest ones. Not even in a storm.

[@justvin7214]

@@OWnIshiiTrolling Good post. Btw eyes and tongues are the first parts of bodies to be predated as they're soft and easy to get to (especially on clothed individuals) usually by carrion birds such as corvids.

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

@@justvin7214 Ok, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the clarification.

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

@Miss M Yes, you get them in the northern US, at the east coast. But that is still at least about 20° further south than the location described in the video. Also, that is on the side of the Atlantic where hurricanes actually recurve. For the claim in the video to be true, a hurricane would need to literally go around the entirety of Europe, which is something they don't do. It would require them to traverse the arctic circle. Again, I kind of hope that it's a mistranslation, because the claim is quite silly. To make it even worse, the incident was in January. While it isn't impossible for a hurricane to form in January, it is extremely rare. The season lasts from the beginning of June to the end of November. You can also look up the 1973 Atlantic hurricane season and see that while some storms do reach mid-latitudes, they weaken as they do so. Not a single one of them is remotely close to the region in question. It had one interesting track, that of hurricane Fran, but Fran transitioned into an extratropical cyclone to the west of France, at (I'm kind of eyeballing) around 48°N. That is more than 20° too far south to make it around Scandinavia. I totally agree that strong wind and cold temperatures, especially with moisture involved, will cool down a body very fast. A blizzard is by no means hospitable to human life. I don't doubt that the weather played a major role in the deaths, I just doubt that a hurricane was involved, and that any eyeball was sucked out of a skull. I'm actually not sure what causes people to sense storms. There's a distinct feeling you can get right before a thunderstorm, for example, but I don't know what causes it.

[@scallopohare9431]

I've tried to open a door in a microburst, and could not budge it. That was over in seconds.

[@wendys390]

It's true the Soviets weren't allowed to communicate at all. Nothing of information ever came out of there, until the USSR was over.

[@mauricedavis8261]

Another great channel!!!🙏👍😷

[@whackyjinak4978]

Don’t fight the mountain, you’ll always lose..

[@magnetarlyfe]

These are so interesting!

[@shainmikulik2567]

Me : "Wait, wtf do you mean the time of death is based on when their watch stopped? What kinda woowoo crap is that?" 30sec later : "Watches stopping at the time of death isn't anything mystical, it just happens when the body gets cold enough that the internal mechanisms seize." Me : "Oh... ._. "

[@veronicaeverest8150]

This has been brought up in a few of these mountaineering death stories and I always wondered why it kept being said.

[@olivergabriel4401]

Russian kids: exist Unknown evil mountain forces: it's free real state

[@rtqii]

They thought they were going to Club Med in Jan 1973... I can tell you without having to read any reports that they were very poorly equipped to deal with cold or wet weather. It is frequently the combination that kills trekkers. The best insulator in their kit would have been wool, the tarp was heavy canvas with no insulation value. None of the fabrics had the ability to retain heat when wet. To someone with experience and modern equipment (in 1970's Russia you borrowed mittens for the trip from a family member) you can stay dry as the rain changes to sleet, then snow, the wind blows, the temps drop like a rock... Either you are dry and cold, or you are dead or near death depending on your experience and equipment. They got wet, cold, they were at high altitude with high wind chills and falling temperatures.

[@JustAllinOneResource]

It's very simple what happened. The weather changed dramatically, and in a very short time, and decided to continue on, however they pushed themselves too hard, which led them to realize their mistake, and they began to freeze, become hypothermic which further caused confusion, and panic. The separating of the group was most likely due to witnessing the first five men who may have stopped out of exhaustion, and hyperthermia, dropped, and gave up. The others decided to keep moving to find better cover from the storm but they soon found that there was no place to hide from the storm. The gentleman who gave his clothing to keep the other warm is a grand gesture of kindness, compassion, and love for another. The gentleman who was found facing the direction of the five who already have died most likely regretted his decision to continue on, and try to make his way back to the five men who have already passed away. In all, they just froze to death, and that is it. No, aliens didn't come down, and do a nasty, and no government secret project took place, and no rockets. Come on people, this is not rocket science. They simply froze to death. They thought themselves to be invincible which most young do only to find out that they are not fit enough to face something this incredible, and fierce. Even the strongest would have succumbed to this. As far as the missing eyes, that is interesting but I highly doubt aliens travel billions of lightyears to pluck out the eyes of the dead. I'm sure they have cattle to mutilate or have better things to do like probe people on a Friday night in the USA.

[@elliebellie7816]

Experienced hiker/mountain climber here. Being unprepared for almost anything is the most common problem in these situations where death occurs. People think help is just around the corner and that it can't possibly be them that will break a leg and require extensive experienced help to muster them down a trail.

[@randomusername5242]

Its definitely interesting the amount of college student hiking groups that operated in the Soviet Union. I'm interested in what the motivation for such activity was.

[@hannak7861]

Hiking and other sport activities among students were encouraged and supported by the Soviet government in order to build character and prepare young people for the hardships of Soviet life.

[@randomusername5242]

@@hannak7861 I wonder if there could be a way to adopt this without the drive for preparation for socialism.

[@madgary5827]

Excellent job and Thank you and I like this video

[@nicolethorson8186]

Can we all just agree hiking in Russia is off limits? Those mountains are killing the bejesus out of people.

[@frankblangeard8865]

The mistake that they made was going backpacking in the middle of winter in Russia.

[@javelin60]

Nature and mountains. When they turn against you - there is only one outcome.

[@michaelhoran407]

Re: Kola Peninsula, Hibiny mountains,Lovozero massif, from Revda via Sedezero lake to Lovozero plateau. There’s a monument on the plateau to a large group of hikers from Murmanskaya who died of exposure and hypothermia during a violent storm on the plateau.

[@jennypappa5643]

Excellent video!!!

[@51385jrod]

Another great video. Thank you

[@TheJasonx7]

Thank you for using Fahrenheit and Celsius in the temperature reading. Celsius is confusing so I appreciate that alot.

[@positiveandhealthy2728]

If you’re reading this YOU ARE GOING TO LIVE THE LIFE YOU WANT. You got this. It starts with YOU 👑✨ wishing everybody the best in life 🏽‍♂️✨

[@charliekezza]

When a copse is missing eyes it's not supernatural it's birds or small rodents, very natural. Creepy but natural.

[@velentr]

Same thing regarding the tongue.

[@scallopohare9431]

That combination of low temperature and high humidity must be rare. Probably no one expected it, or was prepared.

[@elizabethpenny7732]

Humidity. Atmospheric anomalies. Compelling. Winter solstice. Respect.

[@shotforshot5983]

With wind speeds that high, there is no way to erect a tent. Especially canvas, toggle flapped ones that they likely had. The only thing you can do is dig into the snow and even that is not guaranteed. Your dug out may continually collapse, it may not be snow capable of sticking together (more like granules) and the snow itself may simply not be deep enough. And also digging in with skiis or your hands is not good. I carry an old army entrenching tool-you can even harvest fire wood with it, ward off animals, drive stakes etc. Second piece of experience is to carry a spare pair of mittens! If your mittens get wet, get lost in the snow, torn off during a fall... once your hands are frozen, you're pretty screwed.

[@whackyjinak4978]

Is it possible the Korovina or Dyatlov Pass incidents were caused by these Radon Emitting Faults talked about around 24:30?

[@poutinedream5066]

When I heard "radon emitting faults " I was like 😳. If this was America they'd have built the world's longest fence around the whole area, posted warning signs every 10 yards and called it a day. (Then eventually some kids would climb the fence and end up on a Ballen video)

[@rsautos]

great channel keep it up

[@cjtuffman8181]

Lets go these are great

[@luxborealis]

Oh, I’ve been there. Didn’t know about this.

[@mikemhoon]

Seems like all these guys were amateurs! Proves just because you’re an engineer don’t mean you know how to survive in the wild! And not to smart going hiking in the winter! Just not smart at all!

[@sparkplugpeggy4910]

Great job narrating

[@tammyashley3816]

Why are there so many hiking groups die in Russia? This is at least the third one I've heard of.

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

Three groups in many, many decades is very few. You could probably find way more, both for Russia and for any other region where people hike, as long as it's away from civilization.

[@McSnezzly]

They die (or go missing) everywhere. There’s a phenomenon called Missing411 which was coined by an American detective and his stories focus on mysterious deaths and disappearances in US forests/parks/mountains as there’s thousands of people who have become victims. It’s no surprise why so many native peoples say mountains are holy places to not be messed with. You can type missing411 stories into KZbin and find a bunch, plus there are two movies about it.

[@tammyashley3816]

@@McSnezzly I watch 411 it's a very interesting channel. It just seem that large groups of Russian hikers die very mysteriously. It's hard to get a straight answer from the Russian government.

[@amandadassonville4043]

It's very cold out there and in my opion the point is., don't go hiking in the mountains of Russia during winter time. 🇷🇺⛰️❄️🐝

[@AntediluvianRomance]

@@tammyashley3816 That's mostly a cultural problem. Including the perks of the Soviet government, the state of archives (especially after 1991) and the trend to mystify just about everything on the post-Soviet grounds.

[@incredibleedibledez]

17:25 gave me crazy vertigo/motion sickness 🤢

[@cannonsovercharged]

21:00 A 'theory' is defined by an idea supported by some facts, I think you may have meant 'hypothesis'.

[@mariouchka9]

Right. A lot of people confuse "theory" and "hypothesis". A very common mistake. But good job Archie ! And I appreciate your pronunciation of Russian !