Why is this groove so elusive? (Vignettes by Childish Japes & Joanna Teters)

[@turian1moose]

The collab of the century

[@jean-baptistegisclon7488]

Yogev never lose: he either wins or learns... and makes us learn with him, discovering with him fantastic musicians!

[@YogevGabay]

That's the spirit !

[@demirdokum7318]

NEW GABAY DROPPED !

[@Zahara-AnnettePhilip]

Yoooooo. No but seriously wow. Also this Collab is gold.

[@Marleyaagaard]

Soooo coool! And such a healthy message - it’s music and it’s all up to the individual experience of the ‘package”, what moves you moves YOU!

[@bigpleys2688]

Damn I wish there were such collabs every day. Yogev u are sooooo gooood

[@YogevGabay]

Yooo thanks ! Happy you like it !

[@Feverdream7777]

"It's a mess, it's not your fault, it's a mess"

[@gregduveau]

Nice collab, nice guys, nice subject, nice band, nice to admit when we're wrong. That's quintuplet nices ;) Thank you !

[@YogevGabay]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@itai666999]

MORE YOGEV!!

[@rai1smaw603]

i always struggle to discover new bands and genres, videos like these are my only hope. thanks!

[@ayandey137]

I enjoyed this so much 😂🤘

[@Irydion]

Have you checked Calder Hannan's papers? He often talks/write about having a different perception of the rhythm of a song. His talk "Rhythmic Parallax in Car Bomb's Blackened Battery" is super cool.

[@YogevGabay]

I think I saw that one yup yup

[@beyshore_]

the book of japes is such a good album

[@nyla3979]

but after all that it's all about enjoying the music !!!! Big shout out to Yogev & JP

[@DEAFXROBOT]

JP's guitar center drum off solo was one of my all time favorites. Everyone should check it out.

[@YogevGabay]

HELL YEH

[@sinanajaflou2452]

Amazing video Yogev! Thank you :)

[@trailmagnus]

Love it!

[@sepiarain]

This exact discussion is really interesting and causes me some sort of option paralysis in my own writing. I wrote a riff years and years ago, and I once started showing it to the band I was in at the time - the drummer started playing a really straight feeling beat under it that captured the hypnotic groove PERFECTLY and made it feel like a looping tightening spiral that suddenly releases it's tension... but I myself can't figure out how he was counting it to give it the magic feel he found. 😅 I can't just ask him because it was 13 years ago. It has been pretty humbling, and made me realise my compositional skillset is just... well... incomplete. I can't marry my ideas with their best possible vibes.

[@oarndt]

If you could investigate the chorus of Childish Japes' "After You're Born" song, I'm still scratching my head on it even after that many years!

[@YogevGabay]

Yo I love that song ! If I remember correctly, it's a12/8 or 4/4 in triplets song which opens it up to MANY rhythmic shenanigans hahaha I think GTR and bass are playing groups of 4 and the snare moves to a syncopated 2+ thing. I'll listen again !

[@oarndt]

@@YogevGabay Fun! I tried counting and keeping the beat but the transition between the verse and chorus always confuses my brain. A song really well made for sure!

[@Dermo4506]

The second Yogev mentioned it being in 5/4 with 16th notes, I had a feeling it would be 4/4 in quintuplets… To me the snare is what gives the groove away, I hear it as a quintuplet backbeat, I just can’t hear it in 5/4 (maybe it’s from meshuggah but I always default to hearing these syncopated parts as 4/4 when I can)

[@TheSquareOnes]

I heard it how he did but guessed it was off-set by a 16th when he wrote out the hi hat pattern. Pretty cool how slippery rhythms can be and how everything changes with a small shift in perspective, keeps them interesting no matter how much you learn about the topic.

[@louisdattin2345]

Now you know how I felt while watching your video on "I am colossus" haha. "Wait it's all in triplets ??? Still can't hear it that way even with the click but i'll trust you" Anyway great discovery with this band thanks a lot

[@ketertom]

Great video!!

[@kungfudrummer]

Great video, imo you are still right Yogev ;-)

[@Bladavia]

Guitarists must think alike because I also hear it as quintuplets in 4/4

[@morjor-1]

you should make a video on deathspell omega. maybe from the synarchy of molten bones or paracletus.

[@filipowiczbar]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@YogevGabay]

מלךךךך

[@imarioiv]

No YOU are the man 🕺🏻

[@YogevGabay]

No no YOUUUUUU are

[@Meurth]

5:40 even with the metronome I still can't feel this one at all.. I think I prefer the 4/4 quintuplet one

[@BlasRamones]

Not a million subs yet, but we are heading toward it

[@YogevGabay]

Slowly !

[@BlasRamones]

@@YogevGabay Don't hurry up, we will get there!

[@SeanTBarrett]

It's pretty weird. I happened to hear this one "right", but I'm probably the only person in the world who hears Buddy Holly's "Not Fade Away" with constantly shifting time signatures due to being unable to hear the main hook as syncopated. Because I hear it unsyncopated, but I hear the verse vocals correctly, I have to constantly slip around where the 1 is, and I've been unable to train myself to hear it correctly.

[@cainegrandt]

i recorded a whole demo with a similar misconception on a guitar track and mysteriously made it work, shifting the WHOLE SONG a quarter note. Now that I understand the original intention of my guitarist it is unlistenable.

[@ThePopDescriptivist]

For what it's worth, I don't think your first interpretation is 'wrong', Yogev. Hearing the phase of a beat is entirely subjective - we can come up with general rules that predict where people hear a beat, but they will never be 100% accurate because this is not an intrinsic component of the music itself, even if the people who write or perform the music have a particular interpretation in mind. This song happens to have conflicting signals about where the beat is. In some songs, using conflicting signals is intentional. Consider Radiohead's 'Videotape', whose main piano part is just quarter notes in 4/4. But gradually, as the song develops (and this is way more apparent in the live versions), it becomes clear that these notes are all anticipating the beats by a sixteenth note. It's not 'wrong' to hear these notes on the beat - it's expected that the audience will do this, to create an eventual sense of 'eureka' when the other interpretation is made clearer.

[@JulianFernandez]

haha, so cool

[@intraterrestrial5035]

Yo!

[@flipdiesel9652]

I guess Im some sort of genius because I heard the error in the original sequence right off the bat. The double bass note at the end was obviously off

[@YogevGabay]

Well I completely missed that hahaha

[@Meurth]

obviously off how?

[@smaz9]

Quintuplets are the best tuplets

[@ChaosPootato]

JP Bouvet is sick

[@mr_tw]

Sigh… “super wrong” is a bit much. By admission, the tune was developed by a misinterpretation… but for the better. Don’t be a jerk - either the groove is deliberately ambiguous (in which case I’m here for it), or your idea was poorly communicated. eg. if you need 100% white light, equal parts RGB is (to borrow parlance) “super wrong”, but from a distance it’ll get the job done. But great tune… and great work Yogev, as always! Twice in this case!

[@samproctor8421]

It's a bit for the video. I doubt that was JPs actual response when seeing the breakdown of the groove 😂

[@YogevGabay]

Yup yup hahaha we obviously exaggerated for entertainment value! JP is the nicest guy ever.

[@mr_tw]

@@YogevGabay Oh I don't doubt that at all. But rather than "super wrong" (which subjectively & ironically could be argued as itself being wrong), how's about saying "ooh, so close", or perhaps calling it "a little out of focus". Double irony... I'm focusing on two words, and perhaps losing sight of the bigger picture. The world is still a better place because of the original piece & this video!

[@sevenfacecomplex]

it,s literally just evan marien sweatn n this is clearly a fake video..

[@johnperez822]

Are you gonna bring back the Meshuggah series?

[@YogevGabay]

At some point probably yeh !