ESPORTS CHAMPIONS! - Starcraft 2! - Armchair Admirals! - 19th November 2018

[@panthers0737]

The yogs need to play more starcraft 2. it was a blast watching our Armchair Admirals duke it out

[@Baleur]

Agree 100% with the opening statements on the skill ceiling in the game. Its like, you KNOW full well exactly how these champions are doing what they are doing, but you just cannot process it when you are playing yourself, its just too much. Not ONLY the micro of the units, but ALSO to not forget to build units in your base and plan your defences and next wave of attack, WHILE in a micro-intensive battle taking place in 2 locations on the map. If i micro, i forget about macro. If i macro, i cant micro. Just cant do it xD

[@MrRolnicek]

Yea there is no skill ceiling really. Not one humanly achievable. Which is why I REALLY want to see good AI learn how to play this game and play against itself with the various races.

[@Jaime_Protein_Cannister]

The way you fix this is by practicing a mental checklist and refining it. Some people even post sticky notes on the monitor to reminds themselves of everything. Example mental checklist: 1. Drones 2. Supply 3. Minimap Awarness /Scout 4. Tech 5. Upgrades 6. Injects /Mules /Chrono Its like mantra... Whenever you make a worker, you condition yourself to look at the supply , every time you look at supply you condition yourself to check the minimap in the meantime you produce forces , when you produce forces you consider making upgrades or tech. 10-20 seconds have passed it's almost time to think of drones again , might as well inject/mule or chrono. So this by very nature increases your APM, simply knowing what "comes next" reduces the long gaps of inactivity in your apm. Good mental checklist changes everything. As for macroing while micro-ing you learn it by developing a rythym , by literally not giving a damn about your army , you're going to loose games because of this.... but Once you develop rythym then its easier to jump between micro and macro.

[@jenniferhamels1176]

@@Jaime_Protein_Cannister Some people don’t have the hand eye coordination along with dexterity and reaction time, no matter how much they practice.

[@Jaime_Protein_Cannister]

@@jenniferhamels1176 that's 100% false , You can press keys at 500 apm at any moment with insane precision and dexterity (assuming you're healthy), at this very moment you can smash your fingers at extreme speed into your 1 2 3 keys, it's disgustingly easy nothing in the world is easier. The Apm is simply expression of game knowledge and comfort! lol speed dexterity reaction time... that's a nice joke , you already have it . You are slow because you don't know what to do next. For instance You get supply blocked that's -20 apm , you forget your build order -10 apm, you don't understand your build order timings(send out workers early , time things relative to other builds) another -10 apm. You haven't build comfort with hotkeys -20 apm. Low level players have insanely poor foundation , let alone understanding of the game. Apm is a measure of knowledge and comfort. Has nothing to do with age , speed or even multitasking. Multitasking is a deceptive name in itself that the community keeps using. You jump between actions 1 by 1, which is single thread processing as opposed to multitasking.

[@sleepyseeker]

Just watched Daltos stream. Adding more Yogscast members to the league was awesome. Was so fun to Ped rushing and Boba and Zylus team.

[@frankiecedeno3724]

Lol me too

[@joshmartin5361]

This has reignited my love for Starcraft and I cannot wait to play it again. Keep up the good work guys!

[@benjesterw]

Duncan:"Who's army is this? " looking at his own units :'D

[@xAugustx11]

good ol dhalucard

[@HippopotamusPencil]

Break end: 1:25:10

[@humbletumble221]

Just thinking "how is duncan ever going to win one? he has no idea what he's doing." then everyone dies on their own swords.

[@griz276]

Duncan - I have 5000 minerals and nothing to spend it on, I don't have enough larva Also Duncan - 2 extra hatcheries (with full larva) in main not on a control group for building units. GG

[@josephegan1153]

Duncan gets salty that his roaches were countered in game 2 and precedes to go "i have no idea what to even build". idk dude, maybe if you countered the air units that counter your guys you might just do a little less shit.

[@vampuricknight1]

To be fair for noobs zerg is probably the hardest race due to requiring hatchery micro on top of the normal macro.

[@thepurplepanda4]

@@vampuricknight1 and creep micro, and all the buildings have upgrades separately and all your units are crap unless microed... yeah...

[@Cloudwatcher240]

I wanna see more of them playing sc2. it's pretty fun. though FFA will get salty, I'd watch them play co op or teams vs each other.

[@Baleur]

Omg i LOVE how Lewis is playing. Good ooooold 1998 Turret builds. Man, he builds like i used to play RTS games back in the oooold days with just turrets and defences everywhere. I miss that so much. Not a fan of the modern units-only builds.

[@Rob-mv4wq]

Same, and it didn't really hit me on how much I missed those defensive structures until I played Dawn of War 2.

[@Jaime_Protein_Cannister]

Units are the same thing as static defense , except they actually can move about and defend multiple positions as needed.

[@ScorpDK]

The campaign and Co-Op do everything but prepare you for what the Multiplayer is like. The moment an enemy throws the first squad of troops at you, you either lose, or scramble ASAP to get rid of them, but at that point you're already in a state of panic, knowing this wasn't the last attack on your base. At least this isn't Starcraft 1 / BW Melee, where ALL the AI enemies would focus on the player first and foremost. That said, this was fun to watch. Expecting more of it, perhaps with the various players taking a few off-screen matches to get better at it and learn the counters and tech tree (changes added in later updates). Also, HYPE for Warcraft III Reforged. That should be a fun time when it comes out.

[@ethanmcquerry9400]

duncan is literally the saltiest yog

[@Baleur]

Game mechanic that ensures players need to think and control their units = Duncan: "Thats annoying, thats kinda BS" I think he'd prefer games that just autopiloted to victory without his input. The only way to win for Duncan, is to not play!

[@shanadir]

@@Baleur he's playing zerg, who has the least forgiving economy micro. Terran can build up their energy enough for 4 mules without much penalty. Same with chrono boost for protoss. These are also button in the main building, with infinite range. To have good macro as a zerg you need to inject larvae into all you hatcheries every 30 seconds. This requires a unit to hang around outside those buildings. And while they can stack energy, lack of energy is not the limit on zerg, but the fact that only one set of eggs can be active. There is a reason the are loads of tips and strategies for how to use inject larvae regularly, and none at all for mules and chrono boost.

[@stonerkebab9498]

He just usually doesn't want to have fun with friends, he wants to win. Which is okay, it just makes for a bad group stream. Most games he isn't the best at, he adds little to nothing to the fun of watching the stream.

[@Believer1980]

@@stonerkebab9498 LOL you just described Lewis and Sjin and maybe half the Yogs! I mean we've all seen Kim play Mario Kart and threaten to shit on Turps's desk while playing GTA. =D

[@kurojima]

thats duncan in every game that needs at least a tiny bit of strategy, i wish they would get rid of him

[@HippopotamusPencil]

So Rythian, you're wrong. It's not that they were rushing you, they just built units and attacked you. In SC2 tech rushes like that are extremely rare because it is essential to always start building units as fast as possible. With the strategy you and Duncan were trying, you'd lose to rushes *and* mid-game pushes, you only had a slight edge if they too were going deep into tech. Edit: *And* they would do fine against mid-game pushes, they'd just need to to focus on economy for a while and leverage their units to have greater map control.

[@SteamPumpGamer]

They dont read comments on these videos, however, Rythian is active on twitter. Just be polite to him and he will respond to tips.

[@shanadir]

5 mins isn't really a midgame for players their level. Not a rush, but it was an early attack.

[@Jaime_Protein_Cannister]

To call something this slow , a rush ,is an insult xd to rushing strats

[@jacksonprobst]

Ben sees ramp decides "Nah Ill just wall off half this platform." XD

[@vampuricknight1]

Will someone please tell duncan to make more production facilities... if you have excess minerals and you have 6 marines queued in each barracks you need 2 or 3 more barracks... same goes for larva... if you run out of larva buy a queen for each base, if you still run out of larva add more hatcheries.

[@Putrefax]

This has me hankering for some Dawn Of War 1 from the Admirals. Soulstorm would be preferable, because Dark Crusade was not balanced at all. Tau broadside units being 3 strong base? Nothing gets through that. And the wall of death slowly advances towards you and you can do nothing about it. At least in Soulstorm they fixed that by making them squad size of 1.

[@DeadlyNightshadeZ]

The thing with carriers is if you let your units auto attack, they attack the fighters. If you tell them to focus the carrier, they kill it quickly and then all the fighters die.

[@vampuricknight1]

There was a lot of that in these games, for instance lewis was complimenting rythian on how tidy his base. When they showed it the first thing i noticed was that he had 5 cannons powered by a single pylon.

[@griz276]

We need to be attacking daltos, proceeds to not attack daltos.

[@nietzschefriend]

it's alright, a student did that for them

[@benjesterw]

Yay I love starcraft and that the yogs are playing I love the politicing

[@Dark_Jargon]

Wow...... this is bad...... fun but really bad..... I love it! Break ends: 1:25:10 - a trash silver league toss

[@dragonswrath1890]

Break ends at 1:25:07

[@shanadir]

Who was the pro player who always cannonrushed, even against people who knew he was doing it? And it usually worked, because he was so freakin good at it. Even in tournaments, against other pros.

[@Fynov]

White-Ra?

[@thomasjernigan581]

Has - he made it to semifinals against serral and took a game or two of him, really good games

[@TheHunterstriker]

You're probably thinking of HuK or maybe naniwa. They both cannon rushed in several pro games, but HuK was most famous for it because he managed to win several games that way

[@shanadir]

@@TheHunterstriker but they were both good players who did other things. This gúy was famous for there being litéraly 100 perçent chance of him doing it. But he did it in weird ways, liké stopping probe production añď sending 2 probes over instead of one and walling his cannons in so enemy probes couldn't shut it down, even when he did it in the main mineral line. He was never really a contender for best player ever, but he was fun and could snipe some of the best with it

[@shanadir]

@@thomasjernigan581 might be, but i don't think it was. Has played lots of styles didn't he?

[@Force2reckonVods]

Ya know what *I* wanna see? Co-op face offs. They each play co-op in groups of 2 and try and finish as many co-op games as they can.

[@locutus9956]

How to counter 400000 Void Rays: Dont let the protoss player sit there and build them???? Sorry guys but Starcraft is not a game you can win by sitting back and base building if you just let your opponent build up an army sooner or later you'll end up in that kind of situation and then youre basically screwed.

[@reddragon3132]

@@thedarius2751 Widow mines aren't the counter if they have any micro (which admittedly the yogs wouldn't). Vikings are probably the best counter with a few ravens chucked. Absolutely vipers for zerg with a curruptors for the remaining supply and maybe some infestors.

[@fernandohao601]

If the terran player has a primarily bio army, mass marines and widowmines absolutely wreck Void Rays

[@XMysticHerox]

I mean you can kill them. The reason they recked everyone is that Rythian was the only one not stalling thousands of minerals and gas.

[@lethalclips1234]

Okay so I've played a marathon game of civ 5 before, and the reason to play it is actually really simple. Yes everything takes soooo long to build, however! There is SO much more strategy in war, as you have infinitely more time to move and fight. Suddenly musketmen are actually useful, and you don't simply upgrade them to riflemen in 5 turns. The fighting is just so much better the longer the game is.

[@IndustrialBonecraft]

Duncan clearly underestimated the skill ceiling of this game.

[@pakornwattanavrangkul2550]

Chirst that supply depot wall by ben.

[@SomeoneElseInTheComments]

1:03:10 Nice Jeff Wayne reference, Ben

[@AStrategyGameDev]

Rythian is so fucking salty holy shit. "WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING ME!!!" In a war game free for all. "Oh you must have really not liked me winning last time" Geez.

[@AtsumiWarrior]

"Daltos I'm masters" Got killed by mass voidray. Master bullshitter perhaps. And, Rythian using the most OP unit back in the old days to kill new people, true scumbag tactics

[@middlemonster]

I'd love to see you guys play Dawn of War 1 or 2.

[@Jamatarecu1]

Hope to see company of heroes soon.

[@PirateDion]

[@Force2reckonVods]

I use the take your time mods -> x2/x3 to cost of civics and techs then I can play on quick/online and still take my time in each era while also getting to build real armies not just 4-5 man city squishers.

[@contra8053]

Supreme Commander FaF is also a competitive rts

[@Rebotified]

Play company of heroes 2

[@radekkaszewski9945]

clonel239 YES!

[@JasonAguirre]

I so want Lag TV to cast this lol

[@Fluffimus]

Absolutely love it. Keep going with starcraft if you enjoyed it C:

[@panner11]

The video is a good reminder why Duncan is unwatchable playing games he doesn't know well. Constantly flip flopping between complaining about not understanding the mechanics and complaining about why the mechanics are unbalanced as if he understands them for the whole stream.

[@panner11]

@Nathan Hill It's not they. Just Duncan. And the problem isn't that he doesn't understand, it's that his instinct is to always blame the game when something unfavorable happens. I do tend to avoid watching streams where Duncan plays a new multiplayer game, but he is fine otherwise.

[@yorkshire_tea_innit8097]

1:11:50 Lewis is cold AF.

[@Dhoska]

Should play more Starcraft

[@Laxbroham60]

more starcraft!

[@ironttongue3188]

id love to see more

[@crmags]

Marine spam...The easiest terran strat...and duncan still fucks it up.

[@xAugustx11]

Lewis also known as Screwis.

[@xAugustx11]

duncan is a vpoor ally. poor daltos.

[@Kodama666]

man its hilarious to watch these guys try to play sc2 lul.. i dont wanna be super toxic like some of these comments but bruh i wish they would listen to wut daltos was sayin at like 1:37:00 and just in general they play sc2 like its civ 5 and thats just not gonna work, i honestly think it would make for better streams and videos if they would take a small amount of time to actually try and understand the game because its not that hard to get past the "newbie" skill level you dont even really need to learn exact build orders or have some super intense game knowledge, if they would at the very least practice macroing up faster particularly in the beginning, everyone would at the very least have a chance, imean in a real game that wouldnt even be considered a rush.. and if they had built anything at all it would have only been likely a failure of an early harass and rythian needs to get it through his head that building units early is not bad beginner units are perfectly fine ive seen terran with marine ONLY armies kill the gnarliest protoss deathballs and the same goes for protoss stalkers and zerg roaches they are all pretty powerful and never a waste to build, even the other beginner units are great but those ones in particular this isnt civ where ur fighting xcom units with spearmen honestly just hmu yogscast ill be ur starcraft coach

[@Jaime_Protein_Cannister]

Not sure what you mean , to develop basics it would take a month of grind and even more of time casual play. You cannot adjust your play after a few words of advice either , the adjustments come incrementally and mindfully and you have to sleep on it too.

[@mareksicinski3726]

8:28 well not really 'big', decent

[@monkkeyman1]

Oh

[@stevepinkbeard2436]

Rythian is using one of the cheapest strats ever and he doesnt even know it

[@Jaime_Protein_Cannister]

he knows no doubt ,just doesnt say it. stuff like this doesnt fly plat and above

[@johnq.5265]

ZeRg RuSh ? .

[@jaaki94]

Duncan whining about void rays is pretty cringe.. If you have 100 less army supply than your opponent it doesn't matter one bit what unit he built, also any aoe would kill void ray mass easily, as would mutas, hydras, infestors etc. if you have enough of them.

[@shanadir]

Most units with counter units have those units be a lot more countery. The best counter in sc2 is to have more stuff. Not everyone expects that.

[@shanadir]

And in that 'rant' he also aaked how you counter it, and stated they were bad. I don't know how up to date you are on the red alert 2 multiplayer meta, but i'm pretty lost, even though i played the campaign.

[@josephegan1153]

Idk how he got through the entire wings of liberty and heart of the swarm campaigns without knowing what a detector is either.

[@raquetdude]

Duncan is salty, so nothing new here

[@jonokoto]

No way was Daltos masters

[@Jaime_Protein_Cannister]

On NA server it was quite possible, I played from Europe(Eu masters) with insane ping and people in NA master league were doing gold-plat level all-ins almost every game, pretty slow and weak ones. Like... Incontrol with his 90-120 apm was grandmaster I bet you could get into Masters on NA doing 4 gate every game. I played on Korean Ladder and everyone tried so hard there and they played standard macro games. Eu was well, mixed bag tbh , stronger all ins than NA , weaker macro play than Korea.

[@Hightierian]

2nd

[@khanofkhans391]

5th

[@lewisyoung2835]

first

[@acewhisper788]

Not to sound dickish. But did the yogs know Total Biscuit died?

[@acewhisper788]

The reason I say it is because the bundle was commmerative and they sounded ignorant of that fact. Not trying to insult them or anything (can't be too careful with the internets community)

[@syx3s]

Duncan deserved the one that he won.

[@foreng3095]

C&C > Blizzard games >:[