Yonko CONFIRMED Stronger Than Admrials? | One Piece Discussion | K.O.L

[@maia3420]

Flamingo starting fights with Fuji but pulls out the brown pants whenever anybody even mentions Kaido should tell you everything.

[@root9837]

i agree the yonko are stronger but fuji was on mingos side at that point wasnt he? he didnt want to start issues with kuzan either.

[@leneouse2263]

He chickened out of fighting Kuzan aswell

[@wesleypierre9484]

@@root9837 kinda he said he didn't have the time but he did try him tho

[@alphanokado7260]

Fuji was on the marines side and Dofy knew that fuji didn't have the right to kill a celesial dragon so he couldn't really do much against dofy or else fuji would have been in trouble and so dofy took advantage of this.

[@maia3420]

@@alphanokado7260 Not initially. Fuji came there to take him down. Only after the Green Bit scuffle did it become clear to Doffy he was off the hook. But I hear you.

[@JDWalker495]

I’d imagine that Marco has the highest recovery rate, durability and endurance, due to the nature of his zoan (supposedly immortal) Big Mom probably just felt she would just be killing time when she could be doing something more fun, or rather save her power to possibly fight Kaido. I see it like hulk vs Deadpool were you know who is stronger, but you also know that it could just be a stall tactic by the weaker one.

[@Cosmic_889]

I agree...marco just doesn't stand a chance to her overwhelming power

[@nowayycuuh]

Absolutely

[@SpeedyNinja12]

Is hulk the stronger one? I never read a Deadpool comic.

[@nowayycuuh]

@@SpeedyNinja12 yea

[@OnePiece-os3pe]

probably after kaido or maybe they are both tied in that respect .

[@TheRichmaster24]

Marco is a pretty interesting guy to see in action

[@spencernoss6554]

When someone says they are Mythical and it's actually true I would be interested in almost anything they do. If I had a hand of blue flame that wasn't hot, with no healing properties I think I could quit my day job.

[@blindprophet182]

The whole scene was to give carot an opening and showcase big mom. We really dont know if Marco was waiting for the arrow or if he seen carrot in the future to make a move. I'm not going to read to much into this as we know yonko are above first commanders.

[@Momo-ow1ts]

@@blindprophet182 i think marco can't be killed and big mom knows it that's why he got that easely captured i mean what ever Hit even A fatal one he can recover from it so he is not good in that défense and then big mom Put perospero in that situation Just to see if he is still Loyal to here after trying to go against here odres and to give carot and Opening so yeah you can't talk about marco power like that or big mom But what interesting there is what happend after that it big mom Going away from marco and saying she is not interested in fighting him now cuz He just can't be killed that easely or been taken down cuz of his power and will Make here weak before the great battle wich gives a Big respect to Marco power

[@Archonsx]

But still we didn’t see him in any real action, I really want to see him vs king

[@alexmojarro7960]

Well he is the right hand man of whitebeard

[@bookofsol]

This is the FOURTH yonko slurp video that's above 15 minutes. I'm amazed.

[@cvox607]

Kingu including the gorosei as yonko level but not garp dragon or mihawk Never change king lol

[@weirdsecretsexyninja]

Lmao

[@ghosbaby]

Old Garp is not Yonko level. But Dragon and Mihawk most likely

[@MC-or3oi]

@@ghosbaby that comment is beyond embarassing

[@evil_dynasty90]

@@MC-or3oi we dont have enough evidence if mihawk or dragon are yonko level or the gorosei so it's just speculation

[@Junior-lc2im]

@@ghosbaby may be for sure? Lol that's confuse

[@tatteduprising2327]

Marineford Whitebeard got jumped like a mug and still was fighting while he already was sick they was having a tough time

[@FrarmerFrank]

Sick? He was having deathbed memories flashing before his eyes spas outs before the Rescue even began And at 1/100th of his power with 2 feet,a hand and a knee in the grave he participated in the rescue even with the spas outs, coughing up good,and his heart keep on stopping intermittently Whitebeard plan was to stay there with the eyes of the world on him.......He Always intended to Troll the World Government and Marines by yelling the One-piece is Real with the Eyes of the World on I'm It wasn't his wounds that killed him....not Blackhead and his crew or anyone ele there...........it was his sickness that he finally "Gave up the Ghost to" after his Monologue,Troll,and telling Blackbeard" It isn't you",(then glancing at Luffy and closing his eyes while smiling)

[@AstroSully]

FR Marineford WB deserves more respect!

[@therealsamasima]

@@FrarmerFrank yeah but a deathbed WB is still stronger than BM

[@joshuajohnson4957]

@@therealsamasima ehh debate

[@therealsamasima]

@@joshuajohnson4957 Oda stated that WB was the strongest character Pre TS, he was old and past his prime? Yes, but a Prime WB would completely toy with the rest of the Yonko, him being old only put him on their level.. He was the direct rival to Roger, you believe Roger was on the same level as Kaido and BM?

[@TheeMalevolent1]

I see we are power scaling off one panel clashes again.

[@hrithishshetty2243]

That's the power of yonkos 😂....the fight was over within few panels...if the sulongs didn't interfered Marco would have died..unlike some admirals who couldn't achive that feat through out the war 😂😂

[@warcrabcyber9908]

This also puts jinbei in another perspective. People were downplaying jinbei against big mom, when he sent big mom flying off the ship. Saying no no no , big mom was nerfed. A nerfed big mom is still stronger than a commander. Olin tossed queen like a rag doll with no haki. When hunger pangs big mom fought jinbei she was using Zeus , prometheus and napoleon. jinbei blocked a flaming Napoleon. He also sent big mom flying.

[@FrarmerFrank]

Warlords, in theory, can face a Yoko 1vs1 I think Buggy talking smack to Whitebeard and later being found out to be a former Roget Pirate and buddy of Shanks did him in

[@KingdomKing13]

That block was unbelievably impressive. However, sending her flying isn't the same as doing actual damage to her. It simply means Jimbei is strong enough to heave her bulk off the ship, not strong enough to penetrate her hide. Um.......no innuendo intended.

[@imhonor4558]

Regardless you cant place Jinbe higher than 2nd commander level unless he is in the water.

[@warcrabcyber9908]

@@imhonor4558 that does not make any sense what so ever, he hit big mom off the ship on land , not in water. People in one piece community like to be selective of who they power scale highly and totally ignore feats of those that they don't have high regard. Jinbei was clashing with akainu pre time skip, but you some how think he is only third commander level. Ace was second commander level pre time skip, so how could jinbei be under second commander level when jinbei and ace has been potraid to be of equal strength ? Jinbei has gotten stronger since that time, so only luffy can get stronger in the one piece verse?

[@imhonor4558]

@@warcrabcyber9908 Yes he knocked Big Mom off the ship but that was Jinbe's best move and it did no damage. Queen also did the Brachiobomber on nerfed Big Mom and it also did no dmg. In the newest chapter, it is stated zoro and sanji are the 2nd and 3rd strongest after Luffy

[@LimeLivesMatter]

6:26 BDW Law 🤣 I subbed him too for One Piece content

[@priyanshuranjan1142]

I mean he is better at power scaling that this guy.kol said big mom will solo all three admirals.judge top5.garp being weaker.sanji being stronger than zoro. Stopping two yonko attack is not as good feat as tanking king attack lol. I mean akainu could be the final villan unless imu sama is some god.

[@sonymicronin]

Garp Dominated Marco. Garp Yonko Level Confirmed

[@m.phoenix1399]

he's gonna pretend this didn't happen because for some reason he put current Garp at 1st yonko commander level. He's very biased

[@Kenzo411able]

@@m.phoenix1399 KOL said Garp was Vergo level 😂

[@arturw5556]

@@m.phoenix1399 True he is and for some reason he is hating the whole Monke D. family. And he thinks Kata is admoral level or something.

[@m.phoenix1399]

@@Kenzo411able lmao what a fool honestly

[@m.phoenix1399]

@@arturw5556 Katakuri would get washed in no time against a serious admiral . Akainu and AOkiji have future sight, so it safe to assume at Kizaru has it as well. They also have advanced armament haki in addition to raw power and skill that Oda used to praise Shanks for matching one of them.

[@shaquilledudley7768]

It’s an inconsistency though...cause though Luffy ran from Big mom he did straight up challenge Kiado on sight.

[@kumajin3621]

he prob knows but it doesn't fit his narrative

[@jonh387]

Yeah but didn't he face Kaido becaise Kaido Bollo blast his whole crew? At the Scabbards grave.

[@Junior-lc2im]

@@jonh387 he was already going after Kaido before that, he just got more reasons to challenge him

[@handsmcgee8331]

Luffy & Law’s goal was to takedown Kaido first, Luffy never went to Whole Cake Island to takedown Big Mom so it makes sense that he’d avoid that fight against her

[@jonh387]

@No game Anymore Yeah true when he had no other choice he both faced both Yonkou. Only to fail both times

[@jackson3475]

KoL: **spends nearly 20 minutes saying Younko > Admiral = 1st Commander** **Meanwhile in Cloud 9 and beyond** Kizaru: Wanna see me fight 2 Younko at the same time?

[@pinheadlarry7266]

kizaru would get low diffed by 2 yanko's

[@hashiramacells9845]

@@pinheadlarry7266 not even just send a comander or a few to jump him

[@Steve-lq5bx]

@@hashiramacells9845 kata king and marco would be enough for kizaru

[@hashiramacells9845]

@@Steve-lq5bx maybe marco solo

[@joshuajohnson4957]

@@hashiramacells9845 marco king and Ben beckman would best him katakuri would be and interesting fight bc I think he was stronger than luffy but he just gave up plus I think when he Injured himself he took more damage than luffy had taken.

[@artificialstyle998]

Big Mom treats Commanders like Fodder. Two shotting Queen while she had no memories and nerfed asf.. treating Marco like trash even though his fruit was highly effective against her Homie yet still couldn't over power and push big mom back like he did Kizaru. Put some respect on that Big Bitch!

[@therealsamasima]

did she one shot or took down Marco? all I saw was her asking Perospero for help

[@MidaMckMck]

I looked at the clash like like: marco attacks big mom but Prometheus jumps in the way. Marco wasn't expecting that which leaves him open. Big mom being as strong as she is can actually seize that opportunity. Kaido wouldn't expect katakuri to dodge the first attack which would leave him open for a second. Not that katakuri would actually be able to hurt him. My point is that Neither big mom or katakuri are normal fighters. They both have something unique about their fighting style which can catch opponents off guard. If you tried to punch someone and the person beside them kept you from connecting that punch you'd be shocked and the person you were trying to punch would give you a black eye.

[@blindprophet182]

Interesting take. I think the whole scene was to distract pero for carrot to catch him off guard and to hype up big mom. I dont read to much into Marco from it. We dont know if he was waiting for the arrow to make a move or if he sensed carrot and wanda were pursuing and that was his opening. I doubt oda would of brought him here if he cant even stall a yonko more than a couple panels. The clash was a good way to jump off the chapter and give credit to carrot getting an opening by keepin pero distracted. Give plausibility deniability to observation haki not tipping off.

[@billalzerouali2528]

agree marco looked some what surprised, in another fight i dont think marco is getting caught like that and big mom even knew it which is why she ran away

[@travisjones4689]

If the Yonko functioned like the marines, and were working together, the marines would lose.

[@maia3420]

Crippled Old Whitebeard beating the STRONGEST Admiral should’ve put the lid on this argument a long time ago. I think the problem is when you get to that elite tier of One Piece strength like God tier haki or devil fruit mastery, everybody can tango with everybody. They just are not quite equal. Oden, Whitebeard and Shanks for example. Oden is clearly the weakest of the 3 but he can fight them unquestionably.

[@leneouse2263]

Whitebeard never beat Akainu.

[@maia3420]

@@leneouse2263 Akainu was down, couldn’t move and fell to the sea. By luck he held onto a ledge. If Whitebeard didn’t proceed to destroy the rest of Marineford and get distracted by Blackbeard he could’ve easily killed Akainu in that state.

[@godmode6263]

The problem in that for me, is wb at marineford still as strong as the rest of the yonko or is he weaker than mom and kaido at that time? Is prime wb at pirate king level and old wb at yonko level? if wb power level and toughness at that time is yonko, i think its win for akainu because he can still fight after all the pointblank attack of wb, while old wb is send to his death with holes with chest and brain partially blown off. With that its fair to believe that akainu can tank yonkos attack, wb attacks which is probably the strongest attack. but if wb is significantly weaker, his power not worthy of a yonko and will be beaten easily by mom and kaido, then i believe that akainu can't win against any yonko.

[@leneouse2263]

@@maia3420 That's not what happens at all. How do you know he couldn't move? He instantly falls down the chasm after being attacked. He doesn't have any flying ability so he had to dig through the ground to get back up. He actually used the situation to his advantage to cut off the Whitebeard pirates escape. Even when we see him again he isn't major injured like you imply.

[@yeremiah2162]

This is the same old crippled man that still was in league was his other counter parts and how can you say it’s lucky for Akainu to grab on a ledge and not lucky for WB head to be completely blown off if not for dodging..the same way Sakazuki held on the ledge and not being knocked into the sea and possibly drowning is the same how WB moves his head from being completely taken off..either way was checkmate for either character

[@axezazel]

The bda law call out 🤣🤣🤣 lmao.. i disagree with the kizaru take tho.. katakuri is not beating borsolino..

[@Junior-lc2im]

The admiral disssrespect is real Not being at the *SAME* level as a yonko? Ok Defeated by a commander? Not ok

[@Realblack_m0nster]

@@Junior-lc2im KOL said that the difference in power between 1st commander and Admiral is really small so it'll be a difficult fight so when either fighter has a counter or even hard counter it tilts the odds in their favour. It's not that black and white

[@playboi2900]

@Gameboy538 bro jus bc u have future sight doesn’t mean u still won’t get blitzed, u can see the future and still not be ready for the actual outcome

[@kingjaylen9712]

@Gameboy538 How can you call the speed difference between Katakuri and Kizaru minuscule when Kizaru is literally the fastest person in the world

[@markoliver314]

@@kingjaylen9712 bruh Dark king was keeping up with Kizaru without speed of light. Or are you saying Dark king has speed of light lol

[@JDWalker495]

If the Admirals were equal to or stronger than the Yonko do you really think they be free, doing whatever the hell they wanted. Especially fanatic guys like Akainu with his absolute justice,(though he a little sus as of late) wouldn’t take a fleet to a Yonko territory if he thought he could win ( the dude probably has Yonko ptsd after whitebeard clocked him.

[@JDWalker495]

@No game Anymore fair point, but I’m just siding with king in saying that as far as we know the Yonko are the strongest.

[@J1-Time7]

The entire crews of all the Yonko out number the elite Marines by far. Not only that but each Yonko has home court advantage of the terrain, subsidiary crews that can track the Marines at sea just getting to a Yonko's island is a hassle. Even further more if they attack 1 Yonko it's not like the others will sit and wait to be picked off. They'll either ally themselves to avoid attack or charge right to the battlefield and kill the Admirals after they're wounded and/or tired from fighting the first Yonko. Either way the Marines are going to at best kill themselves with the Yonko but more likely get wiped out because the pirates far outnumber them.

[@leneouse2263]

The world government wants the yonko around to keep the new world in check. It's why they don't try to take down the yonko.

[@BlueBeat008]

They do think they can win. KOL ignores this fact, but Akainu moved Marine HQ to the new world to eradicate all pirates, yonkou included. It'll be clear yonkou=admirals soon enough

[@onomatopoeia7219]

@@BlueBeat008 yeah its at the boarder line of the new world to.keep tabs on the yonko

[@eastsideslingerjoe]

It just goes to show what kind of a monster Rocks was in his prime considering he was able to wrangle big mom, kaido, and whitebeard into a crew and they would go on to be the strongest individuals in the world shortly afterwards

[@kaossilator8545]

We learned that Yonko fanboys get salty when a yonko can't one shot their enemies. They were going crazy when the Scabbards were working Kaido's ass. They had the same reaction when Big Mom failed to defeat Marco.

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

It's hilarious.

[@stormrage3708]

We learned that Admiral fans are ready to slander Kaido for fighting 1vs9 against formidable foes who are going all out. Yet he recovered completely and is laughing at their endeavor. At least he recognized that they are strong, but not as powerful as Oden. Also, we learned that Yonko > admirals. That's what we learned. an admiral like Kizaru or Akainu would be dead or haaahing by now against the Scabbard's onslaught, but Kaido didn't just tank all of that and recover from it, but gave them a chance to kill and failed to do so. If you disagree go check the manga. He said I wouldn't have minded dying to you guys which implies that he was letting them go ham on him.

[@stormrage3708]

@No game Anymore They weren't going all out or using their full power. Sunnatchi is a suicide call that makes them use their full strength. Also, Kaido was just testing them and when he said I wouldn't have minded dying to you guys if you were strong enough to do so. When he said that, it shows that he was barely trying and just gave them the chance to kill him, since that's his purpose. dying a magnificent death.

[@MrAndrosh]

@No game Anymore Read Chapter 996

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

@@stormrage3708 He wasn't letting them do anything. He had no idea they knew Ryou, or advanced armament, hence why he was screaming "WHY CAN THEY CUT ME?!?!?!" the whole chapter. Still tanked it like a beast though, as expected

[@BlueBeat008]

Garp literally punched Marco out of his Phoenix mode... Marco couldn't even damage Akainu with a surprise attack... Kizaru not even 50 chapters ago was ready to roll up on Kaidou and Big mom... Reach!

[@upnorthsociety6146]

Fact!!!

[@joocypaleorc2149]

Another thing, akainu clashed with marco and straight overpowered him. Big mom did not overpower marco.

[@josephineimasuen5631]

What the same kizaru that can't beat Marco without help take big mom and kaido hahahahah you cappin

[@josephineimasuen5631]

Yes but the same akainu can't overpower Marco in the manga stop

[@josephineimasuen5631]

I agree only for garp the others things you say especialy about kizaru are total bullshit

[@Jaxonthelegend1]

It's amazing how people can even turn this fight and use it against BM. She was so clearly dominating him and had him by his throat in just a few minutes. She left him because she was conserving her soul weapons for the main battle just as luffy is conserving his stamina for Kaido! If you gonna bash BM for being smart and conserving her strength, then do it for Luffy who is also running away from the headliners and others!

[@artificialstyle998]

Facts. This is the end of the discussion. BM wasn't even worried about Marco really.

[@BadAssMacmillan]

For real. The One Piece fanbase is ridiculous (especially when it comes to Big Mom)

[@aeneasscott9791]

Two things. 1. Katakuri would definently be oneshot by kaido on the first blow just as fast as luffy was. The only reason luffy got hit was because he was pissed off and wasn't able to use future sight. The same would apply to kataluri if katakuri saw his family killed right infront of him too so kata would still be oneshotted all the same just as fast as luffy was. 2. The only reason akainu did so well against whitebeard was because whitebeard had nerfs. We saw what happened when whitebeard decided to get serious. It didn't go well for akainu.

[@Duh_Guy]

However, it was a sneak attack. Akainu only got a shot in on Whitebeard because of a heart attack. Whitebeard only caught Akainu off guard. Even in that onslaught, he still took a piece of Whitebeard's head. Both of these situations have asterisks behind them

[@aeneasscott9791]

@@Duh_Guy I agree with that. All I'm saying is if this was a straight up fight between them with no distractions, I don't see akainu getting a win, especially if whitebeard got as serious as he did. Whitebeard was clearly superior even while old and sick. Lets not even talk about a prime whitebeard vs akainu. Thats just not fair. People who actually think admirals are superior to yonko have lost their minds.

[@Duh_Guy]

@@aeneasscott9791 but there was no clear indication of who was stronger outside of those questionable moments. We're just going off for how the people perceive Whitebeard. I agree with your statement about Prime Whitebeard but I feel the admirals are thrown under the bus without significant evidence

[@aeneasscott9791]

@@Duh_Guy The admirals are thrown under the bus because people try to argue a admiral is stronger than a yonko based on the whitebeard v akainu fight. Whitebeard was already at a disadvantage being old and sick. But he also took damage before he got to akainu as well. People overlook that. These are the same people who try to overlook the fact that when luffy fought katakuri, luffy wasn't 100%. I can get into that if you want me too. I'm basing this off of what's shown outside of those questionable moments. Before even going into the fight whitebeard was injured and nerfed. Nothing other than that fight indicates that an admiral is stronger than a yonko since the yonko your dealing with is nerfed to help the admiral. I obviously don't believe any of the yonkos would lose to an admiral unless that yonko gets nerfed like whitebeard or there is more than one admiral.

[@bastardbastard4998]

@@aeneasscott9791 well said 👏

[@AegyoWindchill]

How can Marco be a good gauge for yonko vs admirals when marco got sucked in face in phoenix mode by "vergo level" Monkey D. Garp?! A young in his prime first division commander marco "the somewhat" immortal pheonix be shot down SO EASILY by an "OLD" "VERGO LEVEL" "VICE ADMIRAL" "GETS ALL THE RESPECT NOW" Garp CHUJO!

[@Junior-lc2im]

Lol you really won't forgive KOL 🤣

[@handsmcgee8331]

Marco was caught off guard big time. No one not even Sengoku expected Garp to step in like that and what did Marco do right after? He just got up and shook it off

[@AegyoWindchill]

@@handsmcgee8331 the fact that he got caught off guard show you how fucking incompetent he is. Its as if he has no fucking observation haki which is a must considering he is a 1ST DIVISION COMMANDER! Your excuse just makes marco really really look dumb.

[@joyboy6535]

6:25 *lmaoo i know BDLAW is watching this punching the air, i wouldn’t respond if i was him KOL on next level*

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Marco is a beast

[@FrarmerFrank]

A Phoenix, more specifically😏

[@gamalalqaifi4436]

I agree King, Yonko are stronger than the admirals. The fleet admiral can be equivalent to a Yonko. I still suggest that one Yonko is slightly stronger than a fleet admiral.

[@ssheeessh]

Whitebeard- took fatal injuries from Akainu pre time skip. Kaido- Has been captured by the marines multiple times Big Mom- Despite being in a battlefield with countless dead surrounding her, doesnt have the souls to beat 1 commander. Blackbeard and Shanks get a pass cause they dont have feats post time skip.

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

@Monkey D. Kong Stop using Marineford. Haki is developed now, and Blackbeard has 2 broken devil fruit. The same Blackbeard damaged Shanks in the past, what is there to say on that front?

[@Shoddragon]

@@ssheeessh -Whitebeard was far out of his prime, was sick and literally already dying before he ever slapped nuts against Akainu. On top of that, he took an injury from Squardo before fighting Akainu as well. Marineford was pretty telling about the kinds of nerf necessary for an Emperor to not stomp an admiral. - He's been captured by Marines multiple times but was never injured by them. This works against your argument as it means even while in custody, the admirals couldn't even INJURE Kaido. - That's not what happened: "Look Marco, if you want to kill me... you'll have to do it another time! I don't have the soul weapons to spare on you now". This statement doesn't imply she can't beat Marco, the statement emphasizes that Big Mom is more interested in joining Kaido above and doesn't want to waste resources beating up Marco. Remember that Big Mom watched Kaido get bum rushed by the scabbards, characters of whom she knows very little about. She is smart enough to know that if they can kill him, showing up to fight them without anything but Max Power would be bad. - Blackbeard was straight up stated by the Gorosei to be so strong, the only ones who might be able to stop him are other Emperors like Kaido and MAYBE Marco+The whitebeard Remnants (as it turns out, marco got DESTROYED). -Shanks easily stopped Akainu and the marines were very hesitant about trying to take on him and his crew.

[@restlessgambler8107]

@@Shoddragon big facts

[@Resjek]

Big Mom is a threat. I hope the writers don't shaft her so much and give her the Piccolo treatment. She's definitely a Jiren and her weakness is her mental instability

[@bastardbastard4998]

U know u reading one piece right?

[@christhefiend]

@@bastardbastard4998 You realize Oda fucks up too right? 🤡

[@HurricaneDDragon]

Prometheus isn’t a separate character. He is a part of Big Mom’s power.

[@FrarmerFrank]

Right, Prometheus for fire attacks (useless against Marco,) Dues to Linking ataks(Useless against Marco) and Napoleon for weapon mele/ranged attaks(useless against Marco) Add that he can't be injured by her brute Strength and Isn't afraid of death. Big Mom was at a disadvantage to Marco's regenerating power

[@luis15317]

@@FrarmerFrank Everything's correct except that he can be injured by her brute strength. The thing is he can regenerate afterwards. If Garp can hurt him with a simple punch, than big Mom can as well.

[@bookofsol]

Can you really compare pre timeskip to post timeskip? In terms of feats? Akainu & Kuzan literally changed the climate of punk hazard to ice & fire.

[@bookofsol]

@No game Anymore thanks lol

[@ZehRooKiE]

But who said they couldn't do that in pre timeskip? Aokiji literally froze the whole sea twice. To let some civilians get to another island and just to get Law's sub. Also, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be changing Marineford's climate for a fight which could affect their men as well .

[@KaiserReb]

@No game Anymore he said kuzan(real name) since aokiji his marine epithet

[@KaiserReb]

@No game Anymore o my bad

[@Bananalover115_]

Would say that the Marco vs BM fight was off-screened. Like one panel they're facing off, the next panel he lets himself get choked? Plus why did BM asked Perospero for the assist?

[@juniorrose5138]

Exactly

[@gdn5001]

KOL I think you have it backwards. Speed counters Katakuri, not the other way around.

[@ZehRooKiE]

Snakeman Luffy could barely even match against a self-damaged Katakuri though

[@JDWalker495]

I could see katakuri beating fugitora and taking on Kuzan and MAYBE Akainu But Kizaru, after what snake man did HAH

[@Caitvi45]

@@ZehRooKiE Self damaged because Luffy suffered the same damage via another characters actions, so how is that relevant? Katakuri made things even when he pierced himself

[@malopephasha5341]

U can also argue that fs can help in fighting fast combatants, snake man was unique because it was fast and unpredictable

[@warcrabcyber9908]

Luffy vs katakuri is still controversial. People keep saying luffy beat katakuri as like with luffy vs doflamingo. It never happened that way. luffy straight up lost the fight multiple times , even in the end luffy fainted first. I don't understand how someone could keep saying luffy beat katakuri when he lost the fight. Katakuri beat katakuri by giving up and not wanting to continue, luffy didn't beat katakuri. Luffy won the fight by forfeit because katakuri gave up , but luffy didn't beat katakuri. Katakuri would have never gotten one shotted by kaido as easy as luffy.

[@ugoeze7360]

Although it’s all love, at 6:26 that screenshot and not so subtle 🔫🔥 at B.D.A Law had me 🤣💀

[@blueguy15]

I firmly believe admirals and yonko are equal and any long fight without outside interference would either end in a stalemate or both dying.

[@ZehRooKiE]

But the Admirals could barely beat an old and ill Whitebeard. Even regular Vice-admirals sliced him when he was having a heart attack. Now Big Mom and Kaido who have skins tougher than fucking steel? Nah

[@MistaMasta420]

Without wanking kaido, could an admiral one shot G4 Luffy?

[@ZehRooKiE]

@No game Anymore Because that skin wouldn't be hurt by some Vice-fucking-Admiral or regular bullets but with people with advanced Haki aka Ryou.

[@Shoddragon]

whenever people say stuff like this, I think, could any of the admirals speed blitz and one shot post-whole cake island G4 Luffy? Luffy at this point is comparable to most higher end yonkou commanders, whom none of the admirals at marineford could one shot. my answer is always "lol not even close". Admirals simply don't have the portrayal people think they do.

[@ZehRooKiE]

@No game Anymore Sentomaru had that Haki since before he was an official marine. We don't know how he even has it but other VAs never showed it.

[@rev3rend353]

Love these vids B.D.A Law stays only using one example on a non prime yonko but team yonko no question

[@xNiiTROSx2]

Why Do People Sleep on Kizaru So Much

[@Asim-nm1bc]

Because he's just chilling and not seemingly taking it seriously

[@yeremiah2162]

Bro idk why fans sleep on him soo much but wait until the final war to see when everyone goes all out...he wants use Kizaru vs Marco but forgets about Akainu vs Marco cause if I recall correctly from the anime Akainu overpowered him with a magma punch then right after Whitebeard came up and almost murdered the guy...

[@jpraise6771]

@@yeremiah2162 that didn't happen in the manga first off. Secondly, Kizaru is portrayed to be the weakest of the OG 3 admirals

[@jpraise6771]

@@yeremiah2162 he also countered Akainu's Hound dog attack in the anime and the manga

[@jpraise6771]

Kizaru actually isn't that impressive I'm gonna be honest w you. All his feats come from dicking down ppl who are obviously weaker than him. Plus he still got dicked by Marco lol. He's the weakest admiral so that's why

[@tomzytheone8821]

In my opinion, fighting Marco for Big Mom (in a clean 1v1) would be like a pokemon game where your team is stronger than your opponent's but they keep using full restores and revitalize.

[@eloquitodelaesquina]

Akainu being totally unharmed by a surprise attack from Marco and Vista is THE SAME LEVEL of superiority Big mom showed against Marco. The clash Marco had with akainu was a lot shorter than the one with big mom AND was only to ESCAPE, in the case with Big mom Marco did not retreat and THATS when Big mom grabbed him and of course he is perfectly fine, not a scratch. If you use as an argument Marco pushing Kizaru (BTW MAKING 0 DAMAGE) is the same as saying Jinbe pushed big mom. its just a push, neither Kizaru or big mom got ANY harm. Theres still not an argument there to say yonko are above admirals, atleast pretimeskip admirals, MUCH LESS Akainu. btw queen wasnt even taken out, in the same chapter you see the (........) of people being silent, not knocked. Queen was perfectly fine not even a bruise, cmon yall are biased af

[@Alvaro-cv8fp]

I agree man, I think the anime soured peoples views on admirals. Whether people like it or not, Admirals = Emperor

[@eloquitodelaesquina]

@@Alvaro-cv8fp Same, not only akainu vs whitebeard. Just today i reread luffy vs fujitora in the manga and the portray is SOOOO much different in the manga and the anime. I only recaled the scene in the anime so i agreed to take Fuji as considerably weaker than the pre timeskip admirals, but after seeing it again in the manga i can confirm that its all a thing of perception due to the anime and fuji could be perfectly on par with them. I recomen you read it again, i think its from chapter 798 its really interesting how much does it change and how THE FIRST attack that fujitora does sends luffy flying like hes nothing, exacly what you expect from a top tier.

[@Bigmanwaffle]

@@Alvaro-cv8fp same

[@gravito1573]

I remember someone was talking about how tiny Big mom's hand looks in this pannel, but maybe and I say maybe, Marco is bigger in his hybride form. (yes I remember the Kizaru Clash but u know that was ages ago, maybe Oda fixed it or something, so that can be a normal fight for King if Marco fights him ofc )

[@chirstopherakimichi1643]

Such funny arguments haha, you say big mom “dominated” Marco, while she couldn’t do damage, asked for assistance, and say Kizaru couldn’t “dominate”, but kizaru was the one made Marco bleed multiple times, we didn’t see him call onigumo for help, but we fully saw big mom call perospero to step in, yet you highlight onigumo, and big mom “dominate”? Then you go on and assume Marco and kizaru been fighting? And compare it to aokiji and jozu? Not the same, jozu and aokiji clearly had an indication of when they started fighting, while Marco and kizaru had no such thing, kizaru was zapping around the battle field, attacking luffy, getting ganged up by wb commanders, while Marco is like getting punched by garp. You are right about kizaru didn’t dominate Marco face to face, but he dominated somebody even stronger, whitebeard, whitebeard attacked kizaru while kizaru was distracted, like how Marco was distracted before kizaru put him down, guesses what happened? Nothing, then wb got lasered in the chest, does that “solidify” admiral >>> yonko? The luffy ran from big mom but not fujitora argument is funny too, by that logic, big mom is stronger than kaido, actually Hawkins is prob stronger than kaido, cuz luffy ran from Hawkins too. Kizaru hurt Marco, but Marco was distracted, big mom gained upperhand by grabbing Marco, but couldn’t hurt him, sounds pretty even to me, one called perospero, one had onigumo stepping in. If you gonna use Marco as the sole bridge to compare yonko and admirals, then can I use jinbei? It looks like big mom needs to extreme diff jinbei, if not getting extreme diffed by jinbei? Because not only jinbei went blow for blow with big mom, tossed her around, but destroyed her fleet while being outnumbered in her home turf? But Akainu low-mid diffed jinbei, therefore admirals >>> yonko? Should’ve made a video when that chapter came out lol, def “solidify” a lot of things. Big mom low-mid diff Capone first, then we can talk about low-mid diff Marco.

[@kumajin3621]

100% 👍 also all three admirals clashed whitebeard with different results. Kizaru looked strong and didn't receive any significant wounds, kuzan was interfered with by Jozu and despite what ppl say Akainu stood his ground and gave as much as he received. it was only when ace was killed did whitebeard get an anime rage power up to damage akainu.

[@bastardbastard4998]

@@kumajin3621 an old, sick whitebeard primebeard killing each one soundly

[@iagbedejobi]

KOL one piece discussions are top tier

[@legendaryrababa]

just to add that big mom was never at her 100% with zeus and prometheus at her side, she is always nerfed for the plot. we still didnt see enough of her devil fruit power

[@FrarmerFrank]

Doesn't matter, Marco can't be hurt by Big Mom Was implied the Candy Staue attack might work(maybe if Peropqro got his brain,heart or lungs to seize up with Candy)

[@legendaryrababa]

@@FrarmerFrank u sick son?

[@tobiaswedin]

I thought it was pretty obvious what happened in that panel since we've seen Big Mom use Prometheus as a boxing glove before.

[@JG_Parker]

If the admirals were stronger,marine ford would have been a wash... 3 out of the 4 admirals were present there just to stop one yonko.

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

1. It was a complete wash. 2. All of the Warlords either didn't try, or straight up helped Luffy. The Admirals didn't all try, Aokiji had some fun, Akainu went in, Kizaru was a troll. 3. Marineford didn't have established haki, and it was 95% clashes. I don't understand why people use it to powerscale. Stop it.

[@rapidgaming4703]

@@rainofkhandaq6678 it wasn’t a wash both sides were shown and stated to have suffered massive casualties

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

@@rapidgaming4703 Even if you want to believe that, it's inly because again, at best only half of the Marines side did anything. And half of the ones who did stuff, didn't even go all out. Let's also mention that Fujitora and Green Bull, while not Admirals, should've been there as well, and they didn't do anything either. Lol.

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

@KingOne Help? He literally buffed Crocodile up to Doffy level during the war, and had Crocodile make like 3 slick plays. Lmao. The same guy who couldn't even react to base Alabasta Luffy.

[@handsmcgee8331]

Akainu got saved by Oda and his team. He was supposed to die in Marineford by WB

[@devla-il5bx]

That brago part killed me 😭😭

[@MrShockWaveKing]

Marco and the leftover Whitebeard pirates couldn't stop a damaged Akainu by themselves. And kizuru left marineford with no damage. Plus, the only person to even damage Akainu and stop him in his tracks was a yonko.

[@supervegito7902]

Yeah a half dead yonko two shoted his ass.

[@Shoddragon]

Maybe the anime portrayed the scene differently but in the manga, Akainu only got so far as to beat up Curiel before Koby interrupted him and gave his speech. People made it seem like he was taking on all of the commanders at once and easily injuring all of them or something when all he did is beat one of the weakest ones (Curiel sorta stalemated Moria earlier and Moria really isn't THAT strong).

[@MrShockWaveKing]

@@supervegito7902 Whitebeard hit him with one of his strongest attacks, Akainu fell through a hole and came back later like nonthing happen. So a half dead enraged Yonko who's called the strongest man in the world with half his head blowed off couldn't finished the job.

[@MrShockWaveKing]

@@Shoddragon And with the manga in classic One Piece fashion, what Akainu did against Curiel is all that was showned. If Marco was as strong as kol claims he would be able to save his friend. But hey, since it wasn't showed on screen, he's weak. Just like how kol treats the supernova because what they could do is not shown on screen. Their weak because we haven't seen them do anything. But Shanks and Dragon is Top Tier because of reasons and the Sanji is stronger that X Drake because of anime scenes. So it is what it is.

[@supervegito7902]

@@MrShockWaveKing what are you talking about he was out of commission. If it was a one on one wb would have killed him.

[@SlackerET]

Just a reminder that it took Garp and Sengoku to beat a prime Shiki and half of Marineford was destroyed in the process

[@ThaboW11]

Good perspective.

[@SlackerET]

@@ThaboW11 Leads me to believe that Roger did most of the heavy lifting when it came to Roger and Garp vs Rocks

[@ThaboW11]

@@SlackerET I think that Doflamingo would agree.

[@SlackerET]

@@ThaboW11 Garp fanboys think he's Yonkou level right now

[@ThaboW11]

@@SlackerET I think that Garp was Roger's Smoker. He may never have come close to him in overall strength at the end.

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

Big Mom: "I don't have the souls to spare on you Marco" Goofy youtubers: "Yonko > Admiral"

[@boogie1434]

Big mom: I don’t want to waste souls on your regeneration gimmick YT commenters: admirals>yonkou

[@ssheeessh]

@@boogie1434 How tf Marco supposed to regen his soul stfu Big Mom is ass

[@boogie1434]

@@ssheeessh did you read the chapter? his flames damage her homies

[@Samir-kn3jd]

Read the viz translation

[@Shoddragon]

I love when people straight up lie about what was said in a chapter lmfao. The official Viz translation states: "Ugh, I don't have TIME for your little personal squabbles! Don't bring them up here on this battlefield. YOU hash them out! Look Marco, if you want to kill me... you'll have to do it another time! I don't have the soul weapons to spare on you now". The full statement, with provided context, strongly implies that she is perfectly capable of killing Marco but doesn't have the time or resources to waste on him currently. Remember, her alliance with the beast pirates falls apart if Kaido gets killed. Not even Big Mom can take on the ENTIRE Wano alliance solo.

[@tonydiamond7663]

Why you had do my boi Brago like that.lmao What's that picture? The old "I ain't gonna say no names" trick. The shade 😂. Oh God I'm dying from laughter 😆.

[@davidabraham5415]

Admiral vs YC1, an extreme diff? Admirals are also shown to be the monsters on their own, not like an emperor ofc. If anything the old man trio fills the gap between YC1 and an admiral.

[@biofilmpl1955]

Akainu was able to go vs whole Whitebeard crew alone so yeah, at least him is close to yonko in power level

[@Mosaic-xerox]

And also king all devil fruit users mostly rely on there devil fruits, it's not only bosalino

[@disnddatdw]

I think you can also go back to Doffy vs Aokiji. Where doffy had no problem going against Aokiji and Fujitora, but he knows he can't go against Kaido

[@mastermojo101]

Someday eventually inevitably Oda will in one way shape or form kill off the Yonko and the fanboys (KOL included) can either live or die with them. It's their choice. Also if the Yonko are such gods how come they haven't fulfill their dreams as well as bulldoze the World Government while they at it. What's stopping them since y'all think they're all that and a bag of chips huh?

[@marv3206]

Because despite the strength of a Yonko's army, it's not enough against the whole of the Marines pre-time skip. That is why they have been also constantly strenghtening their respective forces. At the same time, each Yonko is rivaling other Yonkos. In particular, Whitebeard stood in front of everyone trying to become Pirate King. So for one Yonko, there was 3 other Yonko and the Marines to go up against. Thats at least 4 forces (pre-Blackbeard) that is as strong or stronger than a Yonko's own army. That is why they stall each other and can only manage to hold a number of Territories. Those Territories make up the New World. and it was just during the time-skip -- when the Marines were able to recruit new Admirals and new vice Admirals who were nearly considered as Admirals plus Vegapunks discoveries that made the Shichibukai expendable -- that the Marines had the guts to put a strong hold in the New World (just close to the entrance). Any Yonko who tries to take on another Yonko or the Marines will be ripe for picking right after the battle. That. is. why.

[@theturkey4018]

@@marv3206 I'm pretty sure this guy agrees with you. That was the point he was trying to make. His statement was meant for the guys who claim things like 'A prime Whitebeard solos all of Marineford' or 'An emperor beats an admiral with zero difficulty' which just don't make sense

[@FrarmerFrank]

Kaido slips in the bathroom and cracks his head on the Toilet? Big Mom chokes on a Chicken Roll? Blackbeard accidently sets off a flash bang bomb and fails his saving throw vs light Damage?

[@bastardbastard4998]

U do know that someday oda will eventually kill off the admirals too right bias much?

[@marv3206]

@The Turkey Yeah, and I dont understand those other fans that think that everything is so linear. That X>Y>Z. Me personally, with the exception of unknown entities like the Gorosei (whom is actually dont think as strong), Imu, and Dragon, I think INDIVIDUALLY, Yonkos in General (coz Luffy is an emperor), specially the pre-time skip Yonkos are stronger than Admirals. And Admirals are stronger than Top Commanders. BUT.... it's not that simple. everyone has a so called puncher's chance. it doesn't mean that a fight between a Yonko and an Admiral assures a win for a Yonko as an Admiral has the destructive capability to take down a Yonko. Same is true with a top commander (or at least the right hand guy) going against an Admiral or maybe even a Yonko, if the universe conspires. Schichibukais are the on the same atmosphere. What im trying to say is that these guys have the power or abilities that enables them to go against one another. Some can have better capabilities than others and some can counter others. But, circumstances matter. And a fight between their respective armies, even between just 2 of the major players, have an impact on the whole world. As when WB fell, the balance was disrupted that not even the Marines had the capability to control. The Marines are guarding almost the entire planet and their forces are scattered. meanwhile, Yonko's forces are concentrated in the New World. and the Marines cant just go in there and attack everyone. they werent able to stop Blackbeard from becoming a Yonko as the Marines can only afford to send a few Marines to chase him. they even said that Akainu was so bold and ambitious when he placed the new Marines HQ in the new world; but of course the Marines are stronger now. I know you guys are smart fans so i know you would understand that even low commander levels are good enough to land an attack against top commanders, warlord, Yonko, or admirals given the right situation. significant damage may be another thing though. Evidence suggest that commanders, Yonkos, admirals, and schichibukais do well against one another. of course, there are weak commanders and schichibukais but c'mon ryt? in that sense, in a battle between them, anything goes, anything can happen. one can never be assured of the outcome. but great losses are guaranteed on both sides leaving them vurnerable to other players. that is what keeps the balance. that is what constraints other Yonkos or the Marines from getting into the other's Territories. again, the marines, after marineford focused on getting stronger and only tried to chase BB who was the least of the Yonkos at that time. afterwards, BB got strong enough while also taking WB's former territories. the Marines did not manage to take these territories. the other Yonkos couldve taken the said territories during the 2 years when BB's forces were not yet as strong and while the Marines were not yet capable on taking on another Yonko. the only reason that didnt happen is because Shanks' MO is not about getting territories and Kaido is focused on Wano. Only BM took some of WB's territories like Fishman Island. See, it's not that easy. Also, no matter how strong a character is, situation matters. theres no way WB couldve solo the Marines even when in his prime. He wouldve faced prime Sengoku and Garp. but more importantly, WB WAS NOT in his prime. and it's part of the story. and he was sick. but that's part of it. that is why an Allied WB captain landed a significant strike aside from the unexpecteded of the attack. that is why BB's subordinates injured WB to death. that is why WB is too slow to protect his own against other enemies and why the Commanders needed to guard him first. Had the Admirals and even Crocodile and Mihawk had the Liberty of attacking WB, at some point, one of them kills WB. they CAN kill WB. remember that a schibukai and a former top commander level killed WB (BB and his subordinates). they have the destructive capability to kill one another. Hence, with all strong individuals in Marineford, WB even in his prime cant solo it. WB dared to one shot Marineford coz he had the capability to do so but was stopped by the Admirals who at first were focused on protecting the base. Granted that WB then is limited in his attacks but still even with infinite attacks, he cant just freely cast earthquakes if he is alone. only way he can do that is if he is in an unknown location close to Marineford and attacks undetected. say on a submarine. at least, only Kuzan's abilities will be a threat. but even that, i can think of many scenarios that the Marines can do to stop WB. so i hope other fans same as you guys think rationally. the reason why a Yonko is pwerful is not just because of individual strength but also of their influence which create an army that poses a significant threat and is too costly to take down that other Yonkos and the Marines are taking caution of. as with individual battles and encounters during skirmishes, all these armies are waiting for are the right circumstances.

[@darwinray7394]

King and Marco were each invited to join Yonko crews on sight. (Shanks invited Marco, half jokingly and Big Mom invited King before her clash with Kaido) 1st commanders are highly respected. I'm sure Benn Beckman or Katakuri are also highly prized crewmates, like Kaido would definitely try to recruit Katakuri lol

[@therealsamasima]

Shanks is like Luffy, he invites powerful trusted allies to his crew. Big Mom invited King cuz she wants his species in her crew, if she finds a dude the same species as King and as weak as Usopp, she would want him in her crew as well.

[@cinemaster9012]

Are we gonna forget how Akainu overpowered Marco as well?

[@hashiramacells9845]

Are we gonna forget marco kicked akoji into a mountain

[@therealsamasima]

@@hashiramacells9845 he kicked Kizaru and KIzaru had no wounds, lol. Apoo looked more impressive and he did 0% damage to Kizaru

[@Chris-fj4wn]

Akainu never overpowered marco

[@hashiramacells9845]

@@therealsamasima and Marco took no damage from akainu that’s the point

[@josephineimasuen5631]

Akainu never overpower Marco in the manga that Is a filler of the anime shhh

[@ChilltheImpaler]

Kol Katakuri's speed is also ridiculous. Remember in a straight line he outpaced a gear 4 snake man python

[@tanxyrogue847]

He outpaced it for a while but the python was catching up with him, that's why he hard turned left

[@crabinthetophat490]

The whole point of python was it kept accelerating

[@bobbob-zc1nx]

The main difference is kizaru attacks are very linear while snake man had 2 homing attacks that could attack from different angles and everybody forgets that katakuri just quit using his awakening after stabbing himself He can use his awakening to create barriers and create tricky attacks That's what I believe king was talking about when he said katakuri with his future sight acts as a hard counter to kizaru

[@KaiserReb]

Didn’t borsalino ask sakazuki to pull up on big mom n kaido when he heard of the alliance???

[@JP-zb3yb]

Yeah but it doesnt really mean equal lol. Admirals are simply the best they have to send.

[@bastardbastard4998]

So what huh?!!!?!!! U think kizaru can beat big mom and kaido at the same time?!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@KaiserReb]

@@JP-zb3yb dude was ready to fight either one kol acting like admirals shake in there boots when A yonko is mentioned

[@KaiserReb]

@@bastardbastard4998 your lack of friends is showing

[@JP-zb3yb]

@@KaiserReb indeed. I wouldnt say admirals are equal to yonko but they easily are the closest to them.

[@majinmanbhakun6540]

So many great and funny points! I laughed and agreed the whole way lol

[@onepiecexxtoriko942]

Marco was barley a match for Akainu. Kizaru just his character is he’s not bothered

[@FrarmerFrank]

There was hints of Haki matchups then devilfruit matchups in those fights Favorite example is Boa's Haki was stronger then Akainus so her Haki protected her from the Magma and her stoning Kick started to turn Akinu into stone Akainu then used his devilfruit power to ooze off and shake the stoning effect so his power overcame Boa's effect

[@hashiramacells9845]

Nah but remember that was later in the battle before that he kicked akoji into a mountain

[@underscore_24]

@@FrarmerFrank my Man U did not just put boa above akainu, pass the weed bro

[@NoGymNeeded]

Petition for Toriko manga to be picked up and continued 👇🏻

[@mateust7600]

I would argue that IF some first yonkou commander could defeat an admiral, it would be Benn Beckman , since has been said that shanks crew is the most balanced crew among the yonkous (Chapter 957), therefore its POSSIBLE that Beckman is in the gap of power between Shanks and an admiral.

[@PhlebiacClown]

All Marco did to BM was clash and get overpowered....which is literally what happened when he tried to stop Akainu. Tf your problem King?

[@Chris-fj4wn]

He stopped akainu in the manga

[@joshuajohnson4957]

He stopped akainu's hounds blaze effortlessly

[@OfficiallyMagic]

Another video from king uuuu always a blessing

[@معاذا-و8ع]

so all that just to disrespect kizaru

[@Junior-lc2im]

The man that never really tries

[@thepoliticslover]

he would be stronger if he way high all the time, still love him though

[@WolfX48]

I do enjoy power scaling, but unfortunately something like One piece when it comes to the Top tiers say Admiral vs Yonko. There will be so much contributing factor in combat example haki, will, Df , techniques etc that trying to definitive power scale them its really difficult. Oda has never come out and say" Oh Yonko are confirm stronger than the Admirals". This is why its so debatable, and either side can make sense. My advice is you can chose your side, but keep and open mind. Then you can truly enjoy One Piece

[@Corrupt_Minds24]

The thing it’s literally based on matchups so to use Big Mom vs Marco she’s a different type of fighter than kizaru. So im not surprised that a physically dominant character could grab Marco Compared to Kizaru vs Marco where Kizaru only used piercing Beams and couldn’t hit Marco. If Kizaru vs Big Mom were to fight She wouldnt be able to grab Kizaru as easily since it would literally be like humans when we try to swat a fly cause he’s so fast😂. and compared to Luffy running from Big Mom, He ran up on Kaido just Like he did Fujitora only difference was Fujitora didnt wanna necessarily fight him like Kaido did so, after getting his ass handed to him by kaido im not surprised he ran from big mom🤣. Luffy also ran from the admirals granted it was 3 but throughout the rest of the war he never ran up on one again and he ran from Mihawk, So i still think Yonko=Admirals

[@Chuck_Brownn]

Bruh what you saying makes no sense cause even marco was able to keep up with kizaru and even landed a hit that kizaru had to block, this shows how fast Marco really is, if he's able to keep up with kizaru's speed and easily gets choked by big mom then what's stopping her from grabbing kizaru too.. Are you stupid? You're saying big mom would find it hard to catch kizaru as a man trying to swat a fly, you sure you're okay big mom is also fast, she grabbing marco proves that, dont judge her based on her size.. There is a difference in when luffy stood up to fujitora compared to kaido.. He stood up to kaido because he thought kaido killed his nakama he even went all out on kaido and got one shot even though kaido was drunk and unserious, but as for fujitora, luffy took pity on him by telling him what attack he wanted to throw out next and even said he likes Fuji luffy held back completely against fuji, fuji was even breathing hard after he landed that last attack on luffy shows he was far from holding back and zero damage was done to luffy. so yonko>>>>>admirals....

[@Chuck_Brownn]

Kizaru said he needed preparations and support just to catch And old and rusty rayleigh even garp said two legends of his era is beyond what the marine can handle, Akainu failed to kill an old man even though crocodile called him weak for being caught off guard, marco justified his point by saying whitebeards condition is getting worse during that fight, he was impaled before meeting akainu and suffered an heart attack which akainu used to cheap shot him, Jimbe blocked akainu's attack with haki shows that whitebeard barely used haki, if he was then akainu would never had injured whitebeard that much, Edward was on drips and even villagers said he's too old and akainu couldn't kill him, that's worse than a disappointment, Kizaru never held back he had to take out marco when he was running after whitebeard, same as aokiji immediately they saw an opening they took it, the navies never hold back they only take orders to kill or capture... Garp already said also that if the rocks were to make a comeback[Big mom and kaido] it would be far beyond the navies imagination to stop, in chapter 957 they already debated that there's no counter measures against big mom and kaido, if the admirals are equals with yonko's why dont they just send out fuji and kizaru... Think about it if admirals are equal to yonko's why are vice admirals more than one tier below yonko commanders.. If whitebeard is equal to akainu then smoker should be equal to marco right?

[@Corrupt_Minds24]

@@Chuck_Brownn You know i actually Responded to everything u said but, realized I was on KOL’s channel and knew no matter what I said you would still believe Yonko>Admirals and I would be wasting my time trying to debate u so i just deleted good day to u sir😂✌🏽

[@Chuck_Brownn]

@UCHU2IiV9mC7_qGEGsS2xQWg Nah it does, you go from vice admiral to admiral so if the vice admirals aren't doing anything comparable to low yonko commanders then that's also a sign that the admirals are lower than the yonko's, sabo wasn't stronger than luffy he barely did anything against fuji, luffy was doing pretty well with his injuries using gear 2 and 3 on fuji. If he was shooting lasers on marco that means he was focused on him and was still hit by marco shows that marco is at his level of speed, rewatch the fight btw luffy and fuji you would see fuji sweating and breathing hard after landing his last attck, luffy took pity on him for his blindness that's what fuji himself said, please go and watch the fight again before you start saying all this, fuji was more serious than luffy in that fight it's way obvious for anyone to see, he was going to take them down at any cost that's what he told the villagers, he only said he like luffy and wanted to see his face after their fight when he saw everyone happily running towards luffy's ship that's why he aided in their escape... Taking advantage of his health and failing to kill him is the disappointment there, when whitebeard went behind akainu he clearly felt it, You should see akainu's face he was scared as hell even after sharing eye to eye contact he couldn't dodge whitebeards attack his mere presence was enough to scare akainu.. They were not holding back bro it took them ten days to change the island they were never close to destroying it like whitebeard almost did at marine Ford in less than a few hours, look at big mom and kaido they almost took out that island in just a few minutes of fighting, even queen ran away for his life. Marco and Jozu also held back they care for whitebeards life more than they care for themselves, even after marco was hit by kizaru for running after whitebeard he didnt stop and still continued running towards him ignoring kizaru that's more of a sign that marco was seriously holding back... Kazan without holding back is weaker than old rayleigh he said he need support and prep just to capture him and rayleigh is far from yonko at this point... The marines cant do anything if two legends are involved so yonko>>>>admirals

[@Chuck_Brownn]

@@Corrupt_Minds24 Admirals are below yonko

[@PazuChill]

Ben Beckman is the only right-hand man that I can imagine beating an admiral currently. Shiriew and Zoro might join him later in the series whenever the BB and SH pirates have become more powerful near EOS.

[@hashiramacells9845]

So you don't see marco beating kizaru in a fair fight 1 v 1no interruptions

[@PazuChill]

@@hashiramacells9845 Absolutely not.

[@hashiramacells9845]

@@PazuChill why not

[@sasVSazoz]

Zero damage and he wasn't even scared or even intimidated, yet people say he got dominated lol SMH...

[@Chris-fj4wn]

He was sweating in her hand

[@Xynth22]

It still boggles my mind that people think the Admirals alone are on a Yonko's level. If the 3 Admirals were equal to a Yonko, and the marines also had other Admiral level or near Admiral marines on the side such as Fujitora, Greenbull, Garp, etc, plus whatever various nasty tricks they have ready to go. Then they wouldn't have anything to fear from Yonko or potential Yonko alliances. But they are afraid. They know they only have enough power to take out one Yonko, even one that isn't on their death bed, and they know they'd get destroyed if any one decided to work together, which is why they were freaking out when they heard that Shanks met with Whitebeard, had contact with Kaido, and then noped out when he showed up at Marineford.

[@yeremiah2162]

I see what you’re saying my guy but to me it’s interchangeable cause to me match ups matter...now don’t go off on me cause I’m not here to say all Admirals are beating the Yonko I’m saying it depends on who is fighting who...also you gotta flip around if the Yonko are so overpowering why does the main fighting force of the WG even around...and yes the marines were concerned about Yonko meeting up with one another but don’t forget that Kaido himself was concerned about why the WG let go of the Warlords and needing the One Piece. All in all both sides are in a power struggle for one side to be in power for 800 years and the other to amass such powerful crews and obtain territory

[@leneouse2263]

They are "afraid" of a Yonko alliance because it would throw off the balance of the world. You act like the main problem is just big mom and Kaido, like they dont have powerful armies filled with devil fruit users backing them. The world government would have to pull forces all over to match their armies leaving the rest of the world in danger during that time. Not to mentioned they are already occupied with taking out the shichibukai and replacing them with ssg. Whether the marines win or not(which they most likely would), the world would be plunged into choas. Two forces that helped control piracy in the new world would be taken out. The marines would be heavily weakened and probably even lose an admiral in the fighting. Its just a lose lose situation for them.

[@Bigmanwaffle]

I still think they r equal

[@stormrage3708]

Big Mom handled Marco quickly, and gave him the Whitebeard grabbing Blackbeard treatment. Kizaru needs a distraction to take out Marco and help from a vice admiral, but before the distraction, is clashing equally with Marco. Also Marco having the upper hand and overpowering Kizaru. Yonko > admirals since Marineford, but more evidence as we go on in the story is welcomed. Also, 3 admirals blocked Whitebeard's attack together. Not saying anything, but that happened in the canon manga. We didn't see one admiral, or two, but three, to block it.

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

Kizaru held down Whitebeards weapon he was picking up with to hands, with one foot. Whitebeard is using the strongest paramecia devil fruit, they all blocked it due to it's wide range and potential to destroy marineford.

[@J1-Time7]

Yet the rest of the time the Admirals all fought Whitebeard solo especially Akainu. We don't know how long the clash between Marco and Big Mom was going on before we saw it. Marco did not overpower Kizaru lol that's like saying Marco was overpowering Big Mom because his fire beats her fire. Y'all make it seem like the gap between Yonko and Admiral is huge when it really is the gap between 99 ovr players and 95 ovr. Besides Luffy potentially right now most other people aren't even cracking 90 ovr. Marco's regen is the only reason neither Kizaru or Bigmom didn't annihilate Marco.

[@stormrage3708]

@@rainofkhandaq6678 That's not true. You can see them all standing close to each other to block it, not in different locations to stop its dc.

[@stormrage3708]

@@J1-Time7 I didn't say the gap between Yonko and admirals is huge, I said Yonko > admirals for various reasons. Akainu took old sick rusty Whitebeard to a high diff fight, but still lost to Whitebeard while giving him a fatal injury in the head. Akainu falling off the crevice, not being able to come back up, resting for one chapter down there, still counts as an L for Akainu and a W for Whitebeard. He lost to a sick old rusty Yonko, in a high diff fight. That looks like Yonko > Admirals to me including many other evidences.

[@KaiserReb]

@@rainofkhandaq6678 you mean sakazuki stopped beards attack with just his feet

[@Dionysus24779]

Tiers obviously bleed into each other and aren't set in stone in all cases, but generally I would think: Shichibukai

[@117Haseo]

Didn't Luffy think that some of his crew got nuked by Kaido when he charged him? I know Luffy is dumb but hes not suicidal I mean he agreed to an alliance with Law on what we can quess is him knowing that he isn't soloing a Yonko so him running makes a deal of sense.

[@FrarmerFrank]

Er, if Luffy can't beat a Yonkk into submission by himself then he can't be Pirate King,period More Specifically the likes of Kaido and Big Mom couldn't respectect, even grudgingly someone wanting to take Roger's place in being able to hand their ass to them Besides, only Luffy and Work know "Breath of all things Ryo" that they can combine with their monstrous abilities....anyone else is just ueles targets for Kaido and Big Mom to body while all non "breath of all things Ryo" attacks and "breath of all tings Ryo" attacks not of sinificant levell(*cough*Scabbards*cough*) are just on a bounce off Kaido and Big Mom

[@felin4631]

Kizaru and BM is not a fair comparison. They have different styles of fighting and different strengths, bm is physically stronger, whilst kizaru likes to spam his DF. Against marco this puts him at a disadvantage due to marco's regen, however as we've seen with old garp, marco was knocked out of his phoenix form with one punch ( and bruised?), so he isn't as effective vs physical fighters. So basically you have to consider the match up, I personally believe yonko and admirals are close in strength.

[@RockinAfr0]

While I agree with a lot of arguments KoL makes, the MC-perspectice doesn't hold up. You can be scared of someone that is not outside of your capabilities. Sanji was terrified of the Okama and of Ivankov, but does not flinch in the face of or runs away from King. Does that mean Ivankov > King? Of course not! The admirals and yonko are not of the same power, but using Luffy running away from Big Mom while he stayed and fought against Fujitora as an argument just doesn't make sense to me.

[@ike.e2875]

"queen got his back blown out like he was a dawd dam side hoe" LMAO. That killed me

[@ohbenbeckman1089]

You are completely missing match ups. Marco is a defensive technical fighter and kisaru is an offensive technical fighter, meanwhile big mom is mostly power type. Admirals are closer to yonkos than to first commanders. Also, my main man Garp with a low effort punch gave macro damage that lasted weeks.

[@joshuajohnson4957]

Dude it's fucking garp he was legit the only one in marine ford to make Marco stand down and not try him again marco attacked kizaru multiple times and akainu. I can argue garp is just as strong as whitebeard during the war and same with sengoku bc they all fought in there prime so it makes sense

[@zilverfang9210]

I think is like this. The admirals are the commanders of the fleet admiral

[@hashiramacells9845]

Good comparison

[@danielrobinson7872]

Yeah, I always figured the Admirals would be on par with a Yonko’s first mate to slightly above, and it would take at least the Fleet Admiral to contend with an actual Yonko.

[@twilightsuzuka6252]

Isn’t Aokiji fleet admiral level ?

[@felin4631]

the original 3 admirals were always portrayed as very equal in strength. It would make no sense for akainu to be yonko level, whilst aokiji is 1rst commander level.

[@PKLO9727]

Yeah tbh

[@anthonytravick3362]

If you would entertain this question, if Jinbe fought Ace to a 5 day stand still and Ace was a commander second only to Marco. The same Ace who was considered Luffy’s superior. Wouldn’t Jinbe be the strongest Strawhat?

[@daj27]

Yo king man u need to get a patreon so I can support ur channel I'm heavly in the yonko camp

[@nunes5256]

from what we have seen until now, i completely agree with everything that was said, but i do think this perspective will change once Oda starts showcasing more admirals in a fight

[@frandolio7333]

Is it just me, or are you guys waiting for hybrid Marco too?

[@blindprophet182]

I'm not convinced mythics have hybrids yet. They may just be able to change individual body parts. I would bet they have different awakenings to regular zoans to.

[@Ultimodestructico]

Half human half wings and talons is hybrid

[@HolDNutz]

BIG MOM ALSO HAD PEROSPERO'S HELP. Why can't we assume that PP was shooting arrows at Marco while he was fighting BM if we're making other offscreen assumptions...

[@Dabs_4_Dayz]

i agree with a lot but man katakuri was getting hit by snakeman luffy...thunder bagua is gonna connect 100% from the big man himself

[@FrarmerFrank]

Could have been Worse if Katakuri had face Kongman(not announced both times Luffy used if)

[@mohammaddarweesh2024]

It's king Kong gun

[@mohammaddarweesh2024]

Luffy strongest attack

[@mohammaddarweesh2024]

Stop changing the series

[@maximusmajoris2881]

Because Luffy didn't even use coo against Kaido.He was angry of tama and didn't use fs.Thats why Kaido can touch easily Luffy.Same Luffy dodges Linlin attacks in Udon and he was even in base form.Kata didn't even use awakening and matches equall G4 Snakeman Luffy+has fs.

[@justinmcdonald2072]

If Mum wanted to enforce her dominance over Marco she might loose some weight doing it but he would lose the fight; he has once factor to his Devil Fruit that counters her homies. Big Mum deflated gear four with an elbow block; Luffy knows to run when he is not testing his own ability. The first Titanic captain is Burgess ( though he was measured as undeserving after Sabo another first seat manhandled him). The relaxed Admirals pre time skip would need to try but not go all out against a first seat Commander; post time skip they leveled up under Akainu got serious Kazaru was willing to after a Yonkou alone. Prior to that he was tied with Raleigh in the zone no quips as he did with Ben Beckman.

[@J1-Time7]

Marco does have regen so even for big mom it would be a more drawn out fight than what she wants right now. This is the same thing Kizaru went through Marco's regen is just annoying it will drag the fight out. NOT saying the Admirals are equal to Yonko but, it seems we low diff the Admirals to boost the Yonko.

[@ssheeessh]

Pls explain how Marco can regen his soul.

[@J1-Time7]

@@ssheeessh Big Mom takes your lifespan if you're terrified of her Marco isn't scared

[@handsmcgee8331]

@@ssheeessh Pls explain how Marco is getting his soul grabbed

[@J1-Time7]

@@handsmcgee8331 Exactly

[@szymonmorcinek9341]

From Marineford we could actually see that Doflamingo was close to admiral level. He was literally destroying WB commanders. He overpowered Jozu way faster than Kuzan. I'm not saying that he is stronger than him because Kuzan is lazy but if we think about it Doffy is very close to admiral level. So i think Luffy is now on admiral level or above after defeating Doffy and after training of WCI and Wano.

[@SonnyChenova]

BM is saying that using her own soul against Marco is not worth it.

[@FrarmerFrank]

It costs power And Zues needs to eat lightning and Prometheus needs to eat fire to UE their attacks so they are "charged weapons" to boot Geuess is special attacks and her "Iron Balloon". buns though souls to power them like a man'a spellcaster

[@SonnyChenova]

@@FrarmerFrank don't understand anything you said, but, ok.

[@garchume6690]

from what anime is that queen bee reference ?, 9:29

[@kevincroft5246]

We learned nothing at all. Cause it was 5 seconds. Neither were even going 100%. People overpowering Apoo and underpowering Marco.

[@udonnauchegbu2018]

Apoo also held Zoro and Drake at bay with Tonfas.

[@kevincroft5246]

@@udonnauchegbu2018 Lets not forget that Kidd smashed that fool into a wall earlier. So lets Power Scale Kidd > Apoo > Zoro > Drake now right? Cause obviously 1 interaction means someone is stronger

[@therealsamasima]

@@udonnauchegbu2018 Drake did the same in Sabaody, if he were stronger than them he would fight them and not run

[@kevincroft5246]

@@udonnauchegbu2018 I just want to come backin after the new chapter and say. I FUCKING TOLD YOU .... PEOPLE PRETENDING APOO WAS SOMEBODY

[@kevincroft5246]

@@udonnauchegbu2018 Nothing to say ? lol

[@eonragnarock2366]

Luffy vs Fujitora was a short clash while as Luffy vs Big Mom , Big Mom went with the intent to defeat Luffy and to me that is a factor that goes to Wano. When Olin appears at udon Luffy knew he's not strong enough to beat a Yonko yet. So he trains and stays rather than leave even if he was running he still stayed at udon. But with Fujitora it was more of a test of respect rather than Fujitora going for the kill. I still know Oda has something big planned for the Admirals. I can see Akainu fusing his magma with Haki making possibly a Black Magma. While with Kizaru I see Black Light? Mmmm pretty interesting if you think about it. Also where not even considering the fact that Oda said that if Akainu was the protagonist's hed find the One Piece within a year if that doesn't say much 🤔. Plus for anyone saying that he got wreked by Whitebeard check again , Whitebeard literally sucker puched him and Akainu still got up and kept fighting sure Whitebeard won but I still think that Akainu can definitely beat or is on par with the Yonkos.

[@RobbieStarburster]

Pre-timeskip the 1st commanders are roughly equal to admirals.

[@J1-Time7]

Hell no

[@lordmahadeva3201]

It would be a high diff fight between second and third commanders to , just look at Jozu vs aokiji, whitebeard left him to jozu, jozu only lost due to whitebeard heart attack. And vista was clashing with mihawk, who at most is yonkou level. Even when ace when free he and aokiji were equall in there power

[@farrisab3459]

Facts lead to Yonko> Admirals. Feelings leads to Yonko=Admirals.

[@Duh_Guy]

Explain

[@doctorisjoe]

Your logic doesn't follow king, 1st division commanders are not a monolith. Nowhere in the manga does it state that they are all of the same calibre. So you elevating katakuri because of marcos feats just doesn't work

[@nycprince531]

Wait wasnt Zeus injured way back when the invasion began when she took him back from Nami?

[@luis15317]

Big Mom possibly took him down for being a betrayer

[@sonymicronin]

Big Mom going for bigger fish makes no sense considering the only person as strong as or stronger than Marco on the opposing side is Luffy lol. She basically just left her first son Perospero to die.

[@handsmcgee8331]

Strongest person in Wano other than Kaido and Big Mom is Marco. Luffy’s not stronger than him yet

[@sonymicronin]

@@handsmcgee8331Untill he shows off his ryuo and better use of observation Haki we can't know for sure. Though I am leaning towards Luffy being near the mid of the first commanders for now. So Ben Beckman > Marco > Shiryu > Luffy > Katakuri > King > Zoro(this is my rough guess). Though the combined forces of Luffy Jimbe and Sanji is more than Marco for sure so that could be what Big Mom is after besides Kaido him self of course.

[@handsmcgee8331]

@@sonymicronin Marco has had some considerable feats and we still haven’t seen him go all out yet, he might have a hybrid form for all we know and Luffy didn’t really beat Katakuri. Maybe after Wano he’ll be on that Marco/Beckmann level or at least really close. I’m not mad at your commanders list it seems pretty accurate to me except it’s really hard to rank Shiryu and King right now. Also Big Mom doesn’t really have a reason to fight Marco rn

[@peytonmyers4957]

This does make me want to see the difference in power between the admirals. To me it feels like Aokiji and Akainu are a cut above the rest, and the other three are still insanely strong, but wouldn’t be able to beat those two in a one on one fight. In short I think if you were to put any yonko, let’s say Big Mom, against the admirals, she would high diff Akainu and Aokiji, while mid diffing the other three.

[@therealsamasima]

the same BM that was sent flying by Jimbei and tanked by Chopper?

[@tatteduprising2327]

Damn right Emperors over Admirals💁🏽‍♂️💁🏽‍♂️💁🏽‍♂️💁🏽‍♂️ that ain’t even a contest