You are attached - why? | Krishnamurti

Extract from the fourth public talk in Ojai, 1980. Watch the full video at • J. Krishnamurti - Ojai... ⠀
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[@kavansanil]

Fear of losing what we are attached to. Fear of losing our mind that is contented with attachment.

[@VishaP-uu6zc]

Attachment to a person creates an Image of that person. The image is static but the person is changing everyday and every moment.

[@pradeepkumarm944]

Not only that, the image is unreal, but the person is real. And sometimes, we can observe that the image changes from time. We sort of update it in the light of experiences. Yet, we hold on that (new) image. We think we value the person. But what we actually value is the image. Is it not?

[@TheNate206]

@@pradeepkumarm944 The image could be said to be a map of the person. No map is static and all maps are limited. Maps are useful however. You can know a person even though that is limited. Everyone shows up in the world with some consistency. Call it conditioning or ruts but it is what it is. Im not saying once a bully always a bully but until the bully understands his ways and ceases the behavior he will remain a bully. And until I see that change he is a bully. Not as a static image but as a bundle of consistent behaviors. Not as an identity. It need not be.

[@cloudandwater]

Just observe the process of attachment, not only one moment, but from the start to the end. You don't need to try not have attachment, just observe whole process.

[@azloii9781]

More people need to hear this❤❤❤

[@MrBigkilla]

Attachment is fear of being alone...

[@johnshannon9656]

Attachment is certainty you're alone.

[@shravan1010]

rather its the fear of being nothing

[@valdirbergamobergamo5396]

This is very important. We "love" a person, and that is not happening. We love our past, the good moments we had with that person: memories, photos, ideas, travels... all so beautiful and endless. If the person reacts or acts differently a time, we are totally dislocated, out of place ; we bet all our lives in a standard behaviour, but the person changes, a total surprise to us, we feel we are right, and the other person is crazy or we cannot trust them. We became robots, machines, we expect the same thing every moment, so we lose the beauty of the moment. That´s why people are always smiling at their pasts, they want to revive them- it is safer than the present: you cannot predict nor be prepared for something new. Thanks for the insight.

[@josephdina4752]

That's what the Buddha said twenty five hundred years ago.. in the Bible it says "to be born again" or " the truth shall set you free"

[@nameless5182]

Are you attached to the Buddha or Jesus?

[@christian2M]

For me is not very clear the connection between the Bible says and and Buddha' words.

[@abhishalsharma1628]

If we decide to end attachments, we struggle. This struggle in a way represents attachment with detachment. Thus, attachment still exists. Only when we become an observer do we end attachment in true sense.

[@mtalk828]

❤And my dear, when one becomes an impartial observer, does he end being a person of action? How is righteousness accomplished? Some attachments are necessary to respond to because they are backed by natural valid reasons. Evil inclinations in us and oppositions requires righteous actions. So, what is the difference between good attachment and bad attachment? And if being freed from attachment requires observation, does that mean constant observation towards a lazy vegetable state whereby no actions are performed? Waiting for your response. ❤🙏🏽 Regards

[@prashantnrasu]

​@@mtalk828good point. According to me, if we are clear about the purpose of following an attachment which doesn't bring any conflict is a path easy to be attached with. It can be as simple as thinking of becoming a better human every day (there are so many ways that you can detach and attach easily without being in vegetable state) another one.. being kind enough and attached to something you really want to do knowingly that how you will come out of those things later on (knowing clear path of root cause and countermeasures at the same time). I thing if we are attached to something which has a much deeper sense that actually adds value to this world is a good attachment with lesser number of disappointments (if separated from) than someone following a materialistic things. My 2 cents.

[@mtalk828]

@@prashantnrasu - ♥️Being attentive to what's here and now (present awareness) as coming from God, is the greatest attachment. Because if you are not attentive, how can you be understanding and effectively love? Righteous action requires pure awareness to do the will of God. It appears to me, Krishnamurti doesn't know God. And that's very unfortunate. It seemed he viewed the present actions and happenings of life as just happenings that comes out from our experiences and other sources. He doesn't believe in an Intelligent Being that is the primary mover of all things and IN all things. So, how can you sustain shunning the evil and sins in life if you have no "Higher Order" to be accountable to? Note, the God who will judge the world based on every deed, word, and thoughts we entertained. So, how I see it - just being an observer of what's now, saying "don't be attached," and then adding we shouldn't be attached to even God as the All-present One, doesn't make any sense to me. That means the wicked have no One to be accountable to. 🤷🏽‍♂️ Anything goes. Such a view is "spiritually dangerous" in terms of keeping in tune with the moral laws of the universe. You break these laws, there is intense misery and hell. 🙏🏽♥️ Regards From the Ben Noach side

[@Inquiring_Together]

Lol so true, its the attachment to the image making process which creates the comparison to feel lonely about. Something living, aware and in wonder has no time to fret, worry or fear.

[@Olga8888]

Thank you! ❤

[@lukaradikovic]

oh this is just golden!

[@fatoufrancescambow5876]

Honestly…thank you ❤

[@ClixxCafe]

ENRICHING / ENLIGHTENING / EMPOWERING.......

[@super7ace]

I feel like if the person is not attached and listened to this and realized this, he could easily move on in the future if he ever encounters such attachments. but if a person is already attached & he listens to you, realize what you are saying but still he won't be able to get over it.

[@ClixxCafe]

Enlightening .......

[@sivarampnr]

...You see, you're all so frightened, that is the root of it...

[@trucobarentos4538]

I can't end attachment to all things. yes, I am frightened. I would be absolutely nothing, just observing my life pass on, every moment until I die. I want to believe that there is something else, therefore I search for this something in all forms. Human suffering is tremendous

[@Storm_.]

I think he means you can still have things. He's talking about the nature of your relationship with those items. So you can have your nice house, your nice car, but relinquish your psychological attachment to them. Then each day can be joyous. Because you can be surrounded by wonderful things, without fear of loss.

[@herintuion88]

🙏🏽🙏🏽 Thank U for sharing

[@amberyang7952]

謝謝！

[@kft]

Thank you for your support

[@cheri238]

🙏❤️🌏🕊

[@mayaciza8337]

❤❤❤

[@mukrangterang9907]

❤

[@vidyamadamanchi7091]

What about somebody being attached to us ? We actually like that also. It is a certain deficiency in us which craves for it and that is the real reason we get into relationships. Nobody gets into relationships for the other person but for himself✨✨

[@albertplumer]

So true ,people in north america want to engender others to envy them usually for items that Demonstrate wealth demonstrate success achieved.

[@raksha6057]

Yes

[@hediafetoui]

But if somebody is attach to you talk to him and trust me 90% will be angry and release some energy of hate cuz they think you're arrogant or selfish but so sad this is not love at all , that's a possession and self desires to escape from our chaos inwardly , no?

[@AnthonyHoward-ru8su]

Attachment is related to continuity with the development of relationship to a person thing or idea where a person wants to not have their comfort in the persistence of a relation disturbed

[@ishapattanashettar9504]

🙏🙏🙏

[@ranjitavinod1541]

The wrong notion,brought about by illogical conclusions that completeness and unending happiness are guaranteed through attachment,is the provocation for the mind to divide into illusory images of " I" and "You",and get attached through relationships.That this attachment is between unequal entities,hence exploitative,has not been understood,because no rational thinking has gone into this( divisive) action.This is why entire humanity gets attached through relationships,and wonder why happiness and completeness still eludes them !!!!

[@billwatson3713]

If you play with something or someone and receive joy fun,happiness for a time habbit becomes attachment

[@aurora7207]

😮

[@mboeng]

I want to understand what is attachment, than i follow K words, but unfortunately i attach to K words. Why?

[@seagull_king]

Awareness of the attachment is what ends it. But can one be attached to awareness ? If one is aware that they are attached to awareness itself, is that attachment or awareness?

[@chaithanyareddy8293]

When you are aware , there is neither the thought of attachment nor the thought of self. There is complete silence. No space for another word.

[@elenipapa2529]

When I move to an other place, whatever place, other location, whatever, especially when it is worse...(?) than my previous situation, I carry with me a few items to remind me of me... and of who I am....😄🥴

[@triadtriad9848]

That is identifications with a geographical area, or even objects. It's a behavior to nurture the ego: me, mine, my story.

[@elenipapa2529]

Yes, of course. My story.... Who am I? without my story?...

[@grasje1]

@@elenipapa2529 Free

[@raksha6057]

​@@elenipapa2529 youre no one brother you re just here to know who you really are ! Just enjoy your life everyday

[@SatyaGnanaSeva]

Yes it is actuality to JK, but to me an idea.

[@triadtriad9848]

That's why nobody listens to you

[@paulbcote]

This is a playful lecture. I like the way that K. teases the audience. It looks like a nice afternoon in Ojai or somewhere like that. The way K's advice strikes me today is that he is not asking us to give up all attachements, only to think about them more holistically, from begining to end. If we live in attachments without a perspective on their lifecycle with us, then, we are going to suffer abrupt emptiness. Anxiety about abrupt emptiness can cause us to hang on tighter to the attachement. Maybe this anxiety is what defines attachment. Failure to understand the many possible trajectories of relationships among people and situations in a holistic way can deepen the negative effects of attachment. BUT! if we understand our attachements as situations that have a beginning and an (perhaps unforeseeable) end; And when we are OK with that -- if we watch the movement of the attachment (as K puts it) -- then we may enjoy or experience what is happening without trying to hang onto it. I don't think that he means that we should end or renounce relationships or situations that we are associated or identified with. I think he is telling us how we can enjoy attachments or situations or experiences more if we accept --without anticipation-- their non-permananence and unknown duration. To me this doesn't mean that we should end or renounce relationships with people and situations which at this time may look like attachments. All of this can continue and wil be much more satisfying if we do not become attached. In any case, Thank You for posting this. K. is such a deep thinker it is pure magic that people went to the trouble of capturing these moments, and that we cn review them so easily.

[@agucci]

I will never EVER get attached. Or is this an attachment in itself?

[@triadtriad9848]

Delusional

[@ramondiedrich6440]

There's no attachment at all if you find out Itself. If there's attachment, there's ego and a illusion of Itself.

[@mtalk828]

​@@ramondiedrich6440- What if you need to stand up for a righteous cause and fight against evil? How can you do so without being attached to a godly goal?

[@sabvrao]

That is thought and will, and in that there could be conflict. He’s saying just observe even as one gets attached. In that observation, one sees the truth and consequences … Automatically, the freedom from attachment takes place, without the determination / idea to not be attached.

[@akibahmed8887]

I just don’t understand Your talks I wish I could 😢

[@ComplexConfiguration]

Yeah, not being attached will lead to being a narcissist zombie.

[@jamessloan2680]

No, it can lead to unconditional love. A narcissist has many attachments, as it is all about him/her.

[@basantdilodare4446]

Too bad that the video ended in the middle without any conclusion. No point of putting unfinished videos, like a teaser. Frustrating

[@triadtriad9848]

The description shows you where the excerpt is from. Just enter that into the search box. If that is not too exhausting for you.

[@bu11ymaguire]

​@@triadtriad9848 don't even have to search. The link is literally there.

[@lspyderp]

And so, when the listener is listening to the question, the real question is which of the two is the correct answer ? Hmm..

[@lspyderp]

I’m not sure if anyone has posed this question, but a simple answer would be that God designed this way, assuming u believe in God. So it’s a powerful innate desire and therefore a stupid question to ask, but ! …if not then it is definitely a very intelligent question.

[@triadtriad9848]

There is no place for imagining an image of the answer as a belief.

[@mtalk828]

​@@triadtriad9848- ❤And my dear, when one becomes an impartial observer, does he end being a person of action? How is righteousness accomplished? Some attachments are necessary to respond to because they are backed by natural valid reasons. Evil inclinations in us and oppositions requires righteous actions. So, what is the difference between godly attachment and bad attachment? And if being freed from attachment requires observation, does that mean constant observation towards a lazy vegetable state whereby no actions are performed? Waiting for your response. ❤🙏🏽 Regards

[@azloii9781]

Well of course, why would God create a world where he wouldnt feel attachment? Its the same reason you go see a movie because you want to be attached to it for the time being