You can’t hit a heavy bag full power without boxing gloves? Mwahahahaha!!!

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Ramsey Dewey

Ramsey Dewey

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@shinomori69
@shinomori69 2 жыл бұрын
I think Jesse Enkamp had a part of his US tour where he talked to Sensei Seth, and they discussed hitting a bag with or without gloves. Jesse brought up the point that without conditions your weapons (eg: fists or shins) better, but with protection helps you train more. I think that striving for a balance of training both, at an appropriate level of experience, is a good goal.
@williamkarlsson785
@williamkarlsson785 2 жыл бұрын
Yes :3 That is a more thoughtful perspective than simply Yes! Or No!
@sullyb23511
@sullyb23511 2 жыл бұрын
Ramsey is referring to Icy Mike. They don't agree on a few things, the 'bad martial arts thing will get you killed" trope is a big one.
@shinomori69
@shinomori69 2 жыл бұрын
@@sullyb23511 I am tracking, I follow Icy Mike as well, and while I agree with a lion's share of his points, I disagree with him about a few points as well. Same with Coach Ramsey, though more typically in matters of religion and philosophy than techniques.
@johnmatonne7834
@johnmatonne7834 2 жыл бұрын
Little Mike with the big mouth was in that video so I had to turn it off
@chrismayclin6397
@chrismayclin6397 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been hitting the heavy bag without gloves for many years now. I’m happy to see this being defended as I did not see a whole lot of other people do it, at least not at the gyms where I trained.
@chrismayclin6397
@chrismayclin6397 2 жыл бұрын
@RED CHUCKS I actually have, and yes, I admit it’s like you have hands of granite, sir. Much respect!
@KempoWarrior1954
@KempoWarrior1954 2 жыл бұрын
No hand protection such as wraps/gloves in the street.
@chrismayclin6397
@chrismayclin6397 2 жыл бұрын
@@KempoWarrior1954 If you’re a Kenpo guy, then let me throw out some respect to you, too. Kenpo was my first love before I got into MMA, and I still inject it a little into my program.
@KempoWarrior1954
@KempoWarrior1954 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrismayclin6397 Good for you Chris. MMA, Kenpo/Kempo, kung fu, Judo.....if it works use it :)
@regardzz
@regardzz Жыл бұрын
wait till you are 50, you wont be able to lift a coffee cup with your bare knuckle training :)
@OniCamoGaming
@OniCamoGaming 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Icy Mike tends to lose his point in his own excitement, and he can sound like he's talking out his ass. If you can't treat a heavy bag like a makiwara, he ain't gonna like the makiwara.
@prandz420
@prandz420 2 жыл бұрын
Icy Mike does often talk out his ass. As with all internet guru KZbinrs he makes bold assertions outside of his area of expertise, when in reality he doesn’t even know how much he doesn’t know. Especially anything to do with grappling.
@futvnyc
@futvnyc 2 жыл бұрын
@@prandz420 he can't even punch properly
@momsbasementmma4842
@momsbasementmma4842 2 жыл бұрын
Some people use click bait titles and sensationalize the topics. But you just use the truth. Thanks coach.
@Baneslayer
@Baneslayer 8 ай бұрын
it's not the truth. It's total bull. You can't hit a heavy bag full force without protection or your hands will split open and bleed. This guy is a liar.
@lawmain2864
@lawmain2864 2 жыл бұрын
Because of the silly way I throw hooks , my knuckles graze the heavy bag after impact , which makes my skin get torn off a bit. Also , I won my first low level amateur Championship , yay!
@lancehobbs8012
@lancehobbs8012 2 жыл бұрын
No gloves actually MAKES you throw honest punches and connect properly. Otherwise people swing or land with the next row of knuckles down
@hellclown4
@hellclown4 2 жыл бұрын
Congrats on the win champ! I have a similar issue when I bare knuckle the bag.
@RamseyDewey
@RamseyDewey 2 жыл бұрын
Remind me to make a video on hooks. The hook is probably one of the most misunderstood fighting techniques ever. A lot of fighters would improve their striking game by 2000% if they just changed a few details on their hooks.
@Fredrik_Gustafsson
@Fredrik_Gustafsson 2 жыл бұрын
@@RamseyDewey please make a video on hooks good sir
@remib2320
@remib2320 2 жыл бұрын
@@RamseyDewey well that's a great idea here Ramsey ! (+ Nice vibe in this music !)
@davidjadeaeckhard9625
@davidjadeaeckhard9625 2 жыл бұрын
Ramsey! Great lesson. This gives clarity toward safe and effective training. Pure respect.
@theelysium1597
@theelysium1597 2 жыл бұрын
I actually prefer starting my training without gloves. It makes you more aware how well you contact with the bag. Cuts and wrist injury usually come from bad contact - especially when throwing hooks. That being said: Even if you hit the bag well, it will still redden your skin and with enough time damage it. At least that's my experiment with our leader bag. It might be different with other materials. That's simply due to the fact that the bag moves and "sandpapers" your skin a little. But that's not too bad and shouldn't affect training much.
@Cheeseisboss
@Cheeseisboss 2 жыл бұрын
I find that "sandpapering" action you described actually helps callus up the knuckles over the years, which helps make barehanded striking a little easier.
@DJAraRealSalsa
@DJAraRealSalsa 2 жыл бұрын
There is wisdom in old school Iron Palm/Fist Kung fu methodologies as well as the traditional old school karate ones.
@ichigobankai2343
@ichigobankai2343 2 жыл бұрын
The same way you can condition your shins you can do the same with your knuckles. I also agree that its best to start training without gloves. When hitting the bag with bare knuckles you also strengthen your wrist, as the stronger the wrist becomes the harder you can hit. In a street/self defense situation you are not going to lace up LOL. Also bare knuckles can cause way more damage.
@jlogan2228
@jlogan2228 Жыл бұрын
Gloveless also teaches how to make a properly structured fist bc once you put on a big padded glove you have a very weak structure bc the hands can't close
@BWater-yq3jx
@BWater-yq3jx 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. Gotta build up to it, but very doable. I mean really, to spend years developing striking skills as a boxer or whatever, and then be afraid/unable to use your bare hands in self-defence just for the lack of some basic conditioning... is kinda ridiculous
@JZilla69
@JZilla69 2 жыл бұрын
same guy said that your fist wasnt designed for striking..
@rake2916
@rake2916 2 жыл бұрын
This is why I keep coming Ramsey, you tell the truth with honor and integrity, and without being rude or mean about it.
@jlogan2228
@jlogan2228 Жыл бұрын
The only reason i dont recomend going bare knuckle on a bag is it tears the skin up and youll end up bleeding all over the bag which is why alot of commercial places dont allow it. Just adding hand wraps solves that problem and allows you to train your bare fist
@MessengerRising
@MessengerRising 2 жыл бұрын
This guy couldn't knock the fluff off a cappuccino.
@Jenjak
@Jenjak 2 жыл бұрын
Just watch Dave Leduc folding his heavy bag in half with his bare fists and go tell him he doesn't hit very hard XD
@FirstnameLastname-pe5ib
@FirstnameLastname-pe5ib 2 жыл бұрын
Been hitting heavy bags bareknuckle near 100% since I began. This is how you develop proper hand positioning. Ironically, NOT training bareknuckle leads to broken hands even with gloves or wraps on, as you never learn how to punch correctly.
@styleyK
@styleyK 2 жыл бұрын
Ramsey has a very good point. I used to hit the heavy bag with and without gloves. I found that I focussed alot more on my technique /accuracy when hitting the heavy bag hard without gloves, whereas with gloves I could get away with a mistake or two. But as he basically said, having the experience and conditioning prepares you for it.
@lancehobbs8012
@lancehobbs8012 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!! Ive had guys come up to me at a regular gym width wise words of caution about gloves/ wraps.... and i say well lets see how it goes...its been 25 years and its going ok *so far* Like Ramsey says its NOTHING like hitting a head
@SaftonYT
@SaftonYT 2 жыл бұрын
Oh boy. Can't wait till Mike sees this one...
@andrewtanczyk4009
@andrewtanczyk4009 2 жыл бұрын
Go tell him.
@SaftonYT
@SaftonYT 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewtanczyk4009 I already did.
@Laugh1ngboy
@Laugh1ngboy 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah my problem was always the rub burn. Learned to repack the bag every few months when hitting it was felt like I was hitting a wall.
@JZilla69
@JZilla69 2 жыл бұрын
same guy said groin shots arent effective..
@ives3572
@ives3572 2 жыл бұрын
Honesty, integrity, and sharing correct information should be a must for every KZbinr
@driver3899
@driver3899 2 жыл бұрын
lol people forget youtube's goal is not correct information but entertainment
@riboldibaptiste1583
@riboldibaptiste1583 2 жыл бұрын
well i don't know about the punching without gloves thing, but i felt bad and needed to hear "get out there and train" thanks coach.
@666alikat
@666alikat 2 жыл бұрын
I used to have a canvas heavy bag. It was like punching sand paper.
@Skiamakhos
@Skiamakhos 2 жыл бұрын
Ha, same. We had one set up in the gym at school & every damned week I'd tear my knuckles up.
@brandonpearman9218
@brandonpearman9218 2 жыл бұрын
Dam, what a burn. I left comments saying the exact same thing in said persons videos.
@joshuahitchins1897
@joshuahitchins1897 2 жыл бұрын
It doesn't look like you're punching anywhere close to full power.
@RamseyDewey
@RamseyDewey 2 жыл бұрын
Why? How are you measuring that?
@joshuahitchins1897
@joshuahitchins1897 2 жыл бұрын
​@@RamseyDewey Firstly, stance. You're in a narrower stance that gives you more mobility and speed than a wider stance that gives much more power. Secondly, posture. Your posture is much more upright, which has less power than "chest down" punches. Thirdly, footwork. You're stepping with smalls steps compared to large steps to get your body weight fully into the punches. Again, this gives you more speed/mobility vs. power. Not to say you weren't punching hard or pulling your punches, but doesn't seem close to your full power.
@Phandiw
@Phandiw 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuahitchins1897 Well laid out I think a person can clearly go 100% power on a heavybag, with conditioned hands, and Icy Mike is full of shit on that point (among others). But I too don't think this is Ramsey's max possible punching power; I wouldn't even put it at 70% personally.
@amazed2341
@amazed2341 2 жыл бұрын
Ramsey please do more about bareknuckle fighting, I’d really appreciate some advice as I’m a bareknuckle karate fighter (knockdown rules no face punches etc) and would love some advice for training, fighting, conditioning
@stuartpaul9211
@stuartpaul9211 2 жыл бұрын
depends what frictional surface the bag is made of. the old canvas bags would fetch our skin off.
@Masterpg2007
@Masterpg2007 2 жыл бұрын
While I do agree since I've hurt myself for this exact reason I think dragging your punches through can also be a technique mistake.
@goyneser1
@goyneser1 9 ай бұрын
Thank You for an ‘Explanation Worth Repeating’. Added to my Repertoire.🤙🏾🙏🏾💪🏾🔥😁😎🥇
@dimble3
@dimble3 2 жыл бұрын
I use an old army duffle bag as a punching bag. I lined it with very thick builders bags which I can take out however, thus it doubles as a strong man style sandbag. Great conditioning tool
@mikebuvoltzbushcraftandmar6384
@mikebuvoltzbushcraftandmar6384 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta say I take some issue with a couple of things. "Displacement" does occur upon impact, but with a full sized bag like that, the displacement shouldn't be so significant that it adequately protects you from the impact. Especially if the bag was filled with concrete, as you say. Sure, it's different than punching a fixed, concrete pole, but to the human body it would make little difference; both are beyond the point of safety. Unless you are "push" punching, a punch thrown properly to a bag with significant weight will not displace at the same speed at which you punched it. Now, can any trained person handle that? I think the answer is more nuanced than a simple yes or no. People at varying sizes punch with varying levels of speed and power. A bigger boned individual with average power might feel safe with bare knuckle training, however a smaller boned person with above average power might feel differently. I'm not convinced, for instance, that Ryan Garcia could get away with hitting a concrete bag, bare knuckle at full power, and get away with it unscathed. I don't think either of you are entirely wrong or entirely right on this topic.
@RamseyDewey
@RamseyDewey 2 жыл бұрын
Heavy bags are stuffed with tightly packed rags, not concrete.
@mikebuvoltzbushcraftandmar6384
@mikebuvoltzbushcraftandmar6384 2 жыл бұрын
@@RamseyDewey No friend, I know that. I was just speaking to your statement about "even if" it was filled with concrete.....
@anotherpilgrim8313
@anotherpilgrim8313 2 жыл бұрын
@@RamseyDewey 0:39
@R3dCol0r
@R3dCol0r 2 жыл бұрын
You are taking that one little sentence way to literal. He is just using this over exaggeration to point out that a *hanging bag* will stay sway. A heavy bag is filled with rags. period.
@JZilla69
@JZilla69 2 жыл бұрын
he also said biting wasnt effective either..
@TheNimbus12
@TheNimbus12 2 жыл бұрын
Nice tune in the background Ramsey, I like the inner city martial arts feeling
@andrelewis3788
@andrelewis3788 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I really only learned punching with the correct elbow and wrist alingment by not using gloves or wraps, if you are not aligned you will get hurt, so you are forced to direct the force of your punches in the most perpendicular way possible, also you really learn to grip your fist tight when punching, and its also the best feeling to smash a heavy back with only your fists and feeling your knuckles geting stronger over time
@TheMatrixofMeaning
@TheMatrixofMeaning Жыл бұрын
Once you master the proper mechanics and technique, your knuckles and wrists become conditioned over time and you actually forget how to do it wrong enough to hurt yourself. Like I legitimately can't figure out how I could possibly hurt my wrist landing a punch. Are you trying to land with a bent wrist? That's just stupid 😂 Doesn't matter if it's straight shots or hooks, you're wrist should always be straight when it lands. Bend at the elbow never at the wrist It's just wrong and stupid
@danielhounshell2526
@danielhounshell2526 2 жыл бұрын
The only bags I've had issues with barehanded would be those canvas bags. Those things are meat grinders for hands. Most other bags I generally don't have any problems with hitting barehanded. Even then the issue isn't breaking my hand so much as tearing up the skin.
@mrmoth26
@mrmoth26 2 жыл бұрын
What if you fill your heavybag with human skulls?
@stevejuszczak9402
@stevejuszczak9402 2 жыл бұрын
I am from an old old school. That is what we did hit a heavy bag full power with bare knuckles I remember at first my knuckles bleed like crazy that is how Master Tsai taught us
@alikouva4812
@alikouva4812 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sir. Crasy how your advices and tutorials are useful and realistic. Plus, the way you explain the techniques are full of kindness and humility. God bless you and all the ones you care for, Respectfully from Paris, A.K
@KempoWarrior1954
@KempoWarrior1954 2 жыл бұрын
Gloves just make a nice sound when whacking the bag opposed to bare knuckle. Most boxers I've trained although they can hit hard and fast have soft knuckles as a result of wraps/gloves.
@hypnoticskull6342
@hypnoticskull6342 2 жыл бұрын
Who thinks that? Bare knuckle boxing literally proves that you can. Thanks for taking about this topic
@cassiooctaviani473
@cassiooctaviani473 2 жыл бұрын
Just by seeing the video I can tell Ramsey is NOT hitting the bag full power, so he is saying something and proving the exact opposite. In this case, proving Icy Mike's point, rather than disproving it. Plus, your "heavy bags" surely don't look so heavy. They are not even full, and look much softer than an average heavy bag. People instinctively hold back when punching with bare fists (so they don't break their hands), and do so without realizing it. That's why so many believe they can punch full force without gloves. You would have to quantitatively measure the impact with and without gloves and wraps to objectively assess that beyond doubt.
@RamseyDewey
@RamseyDewey 2 жыл бұрын
How are you measuring power output? Please let me know.
@cassiooctaviani473
@cassiooctaviani473 2 жыл бұрын
@@RamseyDewey How are YOU measuring it? Answer is: you're not. You're just giving your subjective impression of the power output, and that is totally different than measuring something. And since you're the only one that could actually have measured the power and given us numbers (rather than just your impression), it is funny that you ask us viewers for measurements. But maybe you don't have a punch sensor, that's fine. Just please quit asking US for measurement methods. I'm just saying, if your bag looks lighter and softer than normal, it probably is. If it doesn't even look tightly filled, it probably isn't. If your punches here look way weaker than in other of your videos where you're wearing gloves, they probably are. If you want to say otherwise, the burden of proof is on you, not us. But I'm not in the business of telling people how to do their work. Just giving my free opinion on the free internet. Thanks for your content. Keep up the good work.
@andrewtanczyk4009
@andrewtanczyk4009 2 жыл бұрын
@@RamseyDewey Because if you learn proper weight transfer you would damage your wrist, hand and knuckles. Unlike Karate, JKD which relies more on hip torque than proper weight transfer. So Icy Mike is correct if someone understands proper body mechanics of weight transfer and not just hip torque with minimal weight transfer. Otherwise you would damage hands if done correctly. Even when you were hitting the heavy bag there you pulled all your punches back relatively quickly. Which is fine for a TKD, Karate , KJD punch with just hip torque and not moving and lower body and upper body up and forward into the punch like a wave crashing on someone. Yet that’s not putting proper body weight into the punch for maximum power. Have you ever considered or ever learned proper weight transfer for punching? Go look up Teofilo Stevenson and how he transfers all his 230lbs weight on the front leg when he punches. Yes, at times you don’t want to commit all your weight forward so you can avoid being countered. Yet if you don’t do proper weight transfer then you clearly aren’t punching with proper body mechanics for maximum strength!
@idahogunslinger263
@idahogunslinger263 2 жыл бұрын
Could be that he’s only ever hit a sand filled bag that was as hard as cement. Every time I’ve hit a heavy bag full power I’ve fractured my knuckle bones. I need to get a better bag.
@DJAraRealSalsa
@DJAraRealSalsa 2 жыл бұрын
Or better knuckles in that you should perhaps condition them through some Iron Palm/Fist training.
@idahogunslinger263
@idahogunslinger263 2 жыл бұрын
@@DJAraRealSalsa maybe, I quit fighting 25 years ago.
@SuperhumanUnchained
@SuperhumanUnchained 2 жыл бұрын
I have a video where i am hitting the heavy bag full power barehanded that shouldn't be a problem
@blockmasterscott
@blockmasterscott 2 жыл бұрын
For once, and it will never happen again LOL, my favorite channel is on a subject that I'm actually an expert on! I've been practicing iron palm training for over 30 years, and I will say that Ramsey is SPOT on everything he said about bare knuckle punching and needing something that will give. That's why makiwara boards have some give from the padding. The makiwara boards that are made of rope are built on wooden boards that bend. I personally can go full power on a concrete wall without injury, but that is from years and years of conditioning. It's not that my hands are tough, which they are not, but because of years of practice, I have really strong wrists, and have gotten really good at sinking my body into the ground on impact while having good mental focus and breathing.
@lancehobbs8012
@lancehobbs8012 2 жыл бұрын
I iron palm too ( happy to share my dit da jow recepie)and absolutley can ho full force on maize bags etc all day, but can you really go full power on a solid concrete wall? I haven't ever see that in my life or heard stories of it
@boshirahmed
@boshirahmed 2 жыл бұрын
@@lancehobbs8012 i doubt it, there is always exaggeration..
@lexandros22
@lexandros22 2 жыл бұрын
what’s the point if you’d get roflstomped by some zoomer with 1 year mma experience
@stephenshw2262
@stephenshw2262 2 жыл бұрын
What about hairy palms training?
@blockmasterscott
@blockmasterscott 2 жыл бұрын
@@lancehobbs8012 Oh you can, but you have to be smart about it. It's slow heavy punches, not fast like you would on a speed bag. It's not Bruce Lee style like "Waaaaaa!" It's a lot easier to do than it sounds. All you have to do is be slow and methodical. That's why you see Japanese guys punching slow on the makwari board instead of going balls to the walls. I hope that helped!
@Andrii87
@Andrii87 2 жыл бұрын
Putting on gloves to work on punching doesn't make sense. Unless your punching bag is concrete :/
@Davidson640
@Davidson640 2 жыл бұрын
Something tells me it's icy mike without even searching
@crustyjuggler382
@crustyjuggler382 2 жыл бұрын
i commented on that video you talked about calling it bs, if that persons video was hard2hurt, he actually shares misinformation in a weekly basis :p
@allenbutrum3724
@allenbutrum3724 2 жыл бұрын
I started watching your videos not too long ago but I’ve been watching all of them lately and it’s really helping my fighting in general
@attiylanen
@attiylanen 2 жыл бұрын
Can't punch a heavy bag with all out power. You just can't without getting injured.
@Senad
@Senad 3 ай бұрын
Started doing more training without gloves after I used 4 oz MMA gloves and realized that my bigger boxing gloves and wraps corrected a lot of technique when I punched. It forced me to use more "correct movements".
@justjake6991
@justjake6991 2 жыл бұрын
I'll be honest, I don't see how Icy Mike's video or video title was "clickbait." He didn't say you can't or shouldn't train bare knuckle, just that heavily prioritizing bare knuckle bag work isn't a very valuable allocation of training time compared to other aspects of training. He even says in the video that there is a time and place for bare knuckle bag work (to test alignment mainly), just that it isn't as important as other things you can improve on because the small bones in your hand are not like the much larger bone in your shin and won't adapt as fast or as reliably as your shin. And when he said people that hit the bag full force can't punch, he even clarified that's to people that claim they can on a regular basis in training and prioritize it over hitting the bag with gloves, not to everyone that implements some form of bare knuckle training into their regimen. It's understandable to disagree, but I don't think he's being disingenuous or trying to farm views with clickbait.
@Emp6ft10in
@Emp6ft10in 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't one of the reasons they added gloves to MMA wasn't to protect people from getting hit but to make it so strikers weren't always breaking their hands? Hitting someones skull is like punching a flesh covered rock.
@RamseyDewey
@RamseyDewey 2 жыл бұрын
All of the rules of the UFC were made by the New Jersey Athletic Control Board (a boxing commission) back in the year 2000. Every decision they made was based on the tradition of boxing rules. MMA only has gloves today because boxing has gloves. That’s it!
@Emp6ft10in
@Emp6ft10in 2 жыл бұрын
@@RamseyDewey - I thought I was right but you would know way better than me. Thanks for the information.
@ramtron1775
@ramtron1775 2 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right bro. I purposely buit up my fist and wrist for this reason exactly. It does take time though.
@Faizaud
@Faizaud 2 жыл бұрын
I just use handwraps. Used gloves a handful of times at most and never really liked the feel. I'll go bare knuckle now and then, but prefer the wraps as they give my skin and wrists better protection and support while not sacrificing the feel and feedback I get from striking. I also feel like wraps don't create a situation where I could potentially develop lazy techniques.
@happyjourneygateway
@happyjourneygateway 2 жыл бұрын
I remember just jumping into beating on my new punching bag after wrapping and putting on my gloves and really walloping the bag because I was sure I wasn't going to hurt my wrists and ended up hurting something in my elbow. I remember not having gloves or wraps years before and just putting some medium hard hits on a bag in a gym and jarring my wrist pretty badly. I believe It's like jogging now you've got to build up to things slowly adding volume and intensity sparingly as time goes on
@driver3899
@driver3899 2 жыл бұрын
sounds like someone getting called out here! *cough* Icy Mike *cough*
@douglasmacneil4474
@douglasmacneil4474 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for calling icy Mike out on this... Kinda silly to hear
@radioactivemerk5198
@radioactivemerk5198 2 жыл бұрын
Icy mikes video said you can’t hit a solid surface bare knuckle not a heavy bag. He said you can but for most people the risk outweighs the reward
@douglasmacneil4474
@douglasmacneil4474 2 жыл бұрын
@@radioactivemerk5198 I was poking fun at him, love him still. But he has literally made a video about this in the past
@streetsmarttaekwondo
@streetsmarttaekwondo 2 жыл бұрын
@@radioactivemerk5198 he also said if you can hit a heavy bag full force without hurting yourself. Then you probably can't hit hard. And that is a line of crap! Cuz I've always hit a heavy bag full force. All threw my martial arts training. And trust me, I can hit plenty hard enough. So he doesn't have a clue on what he's saying.
@YorHealthBrian
@YorHealthBrian 2 жыл бұрын
Icy mike says you can't fight for a million ridiculous reasons. It's a joke
@kingo6145
@kingo6145 2 жыл бұрын
I always get blisters when I punch without the gloves
@SuperFamiKing
@SuperFamiKing 2 жыл бұрын
Proper body alignment and mechanics go a long way. Even if you start at 20 percent power and build your way up, bareknuckle is a good way to test your form.
@mccalltrader
@mccalltrader 2 жыл бұрын
I strike our dojo’s heavy bag so hard, it makes my wrists hurt from the impact..I can feel the shock all the way up to my elbow
@jaketheasianguy3307
@jaketheasianguy3307 2 жыл бұрын
Kyokushin guys : "muahahahaha"
@mortalkomment8028
@mortalkomment8028 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this clarification!
@Ultr4l0f
@Ultr4l0f 2 жыл бұрын
Phew. As a hobby martial artist (ie sparring yes, actual fights no) I dont have a real feel for exactly how hard I hit. Since I never punch humans with more than say.... 60-70% I often go at it without gloves on vs the bag, but that unnamed youtuber realy made me feel a bit like a wimp because I can go full force for quite some time on a bag. And its mostly my knuckles getting scraped/chaffed thats the only hinderance. And that video was a bit demoarlizing. Thanks for the video
@RamseyDewey
@RamseyDewey 2 жыл бұрын
And that’s exactly why I made this video!
@Al77343
@Al77343 2 жыл бұрын
I mean it's pretty easy to know if you're a wimp or not. Try hitting with gloves then without and ask your coaches about your form.
@brianmason8059
@brianmason8059 2 жыл бұрын
As an amateur level amateur I may be wrong but I always found the trick to not using gloves was to punch straight and make sure you don't slip off the bag or pads cos that will cut your knuckles
@jotapedonoso4696
@jotapedonoso4696 2 жыл бұрын
My heavy bag is made of a rough material, so if you hit it bare hand, the skin from your knuckles will be reduced to atoms
@thomasgjefle5576
@thomasgjefle5576 2 жыл бұрын
Watched that bag in that other video get split in half by kicks
@Teddy-se8qb
@Teddy-se8qb 2 жыл бұрын
lol those full power punches?
@darkliquid6388
@darkliquid6388 2 жыл бұрын
I had a broken pinky for 20 years, braking it over a hard skull.
@VitalityGracieGarage
@VitalityGracieGarage 2 жыл бұрын
Although I agree from a technical point of view that it is physically possible to work the heavy bag with no gloves and no wraps, whether or not it's recommended as a long term frequent training practice is another story. It is hard on the bones in your hands, is dangerous for your wrists, especially when throwing hooks, and generally isn't very good for you.
@RamseyDewey
@RamseyDewey 2 жыл бұрын
If you’re hurting your wrists while throwing a hook, you need to change your technique. That shouldn’t ever be happening to you.
@VitalityGracieGarage
@VitalityGracieGarage 2 жыл бұрын
@@RamseyDewey Yeah I agree. With me, and probably many others too, I have trouble keeping my wrist and fist in the correct position related to each other to transfer the force into my arm and body when I throw hooks. The calculus for hand and wrist position changes with range too with hooks, so I've found it's really easy to hurt my wrist with hooks and not so easy to maintain the correct technique. on the heavy bag with no wraps your technique HAS to be perfect; I don't trust myself that much (even after 20 + years of boxing) :-)
@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812
@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812 2 жыл бұрын
Another reason wing Chun uses vertical fists and body positioning opposed to coming around from the side like that
@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812
@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812 2 жыл бұрын
It's also due to just the lack of necessary training to prevent those types of things from happening, and much of this training has absolutely nothing to do with fighting so most never do it but it will bring very great results when applied to fighting
@streetsmarttaekwondo
@streetsmarttaekwondo 2 жыл бұрын
@RED CHUCKS same here!
@eighty35
@eighty35 Жыл бұрын
i can definetely take the pain without gloves, its just how bloody my hands which worry me about infection
@6kunio8
@6kunio8 2 жыл бұрын
I remember the "heavy" bag at my old Y, it was filled with sand and nearly rock hard, and so heavy that it barely moved... Definitely didn't look like the heavy bag in this video...
@cassiooctaviani473
@cassiooctaviani473 2 жыл бұрын
This looks more like a "floppy bag". And I still don't think Ramsey hit it full power.
@KeyvonGreen
@KeyvonGreen Жыл бұрын
I can’t land perfect every time if didn’t wear wraps and gloves I would eventually break my hand.
@andrewryan7583
@andrewryan7583 2 жыл бұрын
Ramsey. I wish we were mates. Love your content Coba !!
@KBNZ83
@KBNZ83 2 жыл бұрын
Shredded tyre is a great filling for bags.
@futvnyc
@futvnyc 2 жыл бұрын
That same dude said you can't switch stances
@thehighcommunity247
@thehighcommunity247 2 жыл бұрын
I always hit the heavy bags at the gym with my bare hands. At first, I had used my 12 oz. gloves, but about two months into that, I switched to nothing. It built up my wrist strength and my ability to take more impact to my hands/wrists/forearms.
@Turismo69
@Turismo69 2 жыл бұрын
I never wear wraps when I’m hitting my bag at home (defo at full force, it’s great conditioning), have to wear them at my club for H & S lol 😂 all them years of wrist push ups and strikes have made gloves futile
@williamseipp9691
@williamseipp9691 2 жыл бұрын
been hitting heavy bags for years without gloves and I consider it "default" as I'm not going to be wearing gloves in a self defense situation. You can also get feedback on your hits. If I hit the bag with a clean cross the bag will be solid on impact and l'll feel it in my wrist and upper forearm. The bag can move a lot, it can sound loud when you hit, but it's not really being struck hard until it "pushes back", at least for me. Using gloves has its merits though, but for me they are secondary.
@JukemDrawles87
@JukemDrawles87 2 жыл бұрын
I find no problem hitting the bag full power without gloves if my knuckles and wrists are tight. Scraping however does happen
@sigman7673
@sigman7673 2 жыл бұрын
I like hard2hurt's content, but I found his bareknuckle video particularly egocentric. If I remember correctly, he admitted to having weak knuckles and even showed off his special knuckle protectors he wears under his wraps - so I feel like that would've made him very biased.
@Mr440c
@Mr440c 2 жыл бұрын
Egocentric might be Mike's second name. He thinks he's right about everything.
@dennismason3740
@dennismason3740 2 жыл бұрын
Dang Coach you fast.
@TheQue5tion
@TheQue5tion 2 жыл бұрын
I find that going bare knuckle on the heavy bag depends not just on conditioning, but how you punch. For example, with my hooks my hands twist inwards (thumb to the ground and pinky to the sky), meaning just my first two knuckles connect. This did require gloves at first as it puts more strain on the wrist until it is conditioned. As for crosses, I have a habit of striking slightly down at a 45° angle instead of straight on, since this is more painful for most to receive and can also mess with an opponent's center of gravity. Doing this on a bag without gloves or wraps though can lead to a lot of skin coming off of your knuckles, especially on leather or faux leather bags. So I suppose what I'm saying is that it all depends on the equipment you use and how you use it. End of the day there is no right or wrong solution, only what works best for you.
@13yip
@13yip 2 жыл бұрын
Why is this suddenly so strange ? I train for 30 years and we always trained on bags without gloves...
@IncredibleMD
@IncredibleMD 2 жыл бұрын
"More like YOU can't hit the heavy bag without gloves. Get out there and train, nerd." - Ramsay Dewey.
@josephbentley6591
@josephbentley6591 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I hit the heavy bag pretty hard with no gloves, occasionally a full power shot. I tend to wear my gloves most of the time because it's hard on my wrists, (my wrists are extremely small, about 6" around, my arms are about 15" around).
@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812
@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812 2 жыл бұрын
And just saying if you are not intended on sport fighting, you should never train with gloves on unless they are essentially just being used for weight. You won't be wearing them In the event of a real situation
@thekingbird0356
@thekingbird0356 2 жыл бұрын
Broke my hand here recently bare knuckling a wall, can attest, full power on heavy bags; not on walls.
@bingsoo9559
@bingsoo9559 2 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video about switch kicks Ramsey? I’m having trouble with them but the gym is not really an option as of now
@edwhlam
@edwhlam 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but as was pointed out in the video, it depends on what the bag is filled with.
@RamseyDewey
@RamseyDewey 2 жыл бұрын
Heavy bags are filled with tightly packed rags, unless you deliberately fill them with something else.
@edwhlam
@edwhlam 2 жыл бұрын
@@RamseyDewey There is no international standard for heavy bag filling. If I am mistaken, please let me know the ISO number. :) Even in the same gym I find density of the bags differ significantly. And yes, bags filled will rags are good. Some people use saw dust. Some use a mix of different items.
@emanuel6233
@emanuel6233 2 жыл бұрын
Damn calling out icy mike like that🤣
@FilmFlam-8008
@FilmFlam-8008 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe a better question is SHOULD you hit a heavy bag without gloves. I think a bit, yes. But it depends on what you are trying to do. If you are going to to 99.999% of your fighting in the ring, you should probably train the most with the same gear you are using in the ring.
@williamstellmon7565
@williamstellmon7565 2 жыл бұрын
Wrist strength becomes a factor. Most boxing gloves have wrist braces.
@damarcusmyer
@damarcusmyer 2 жыл бұрын
When I do heavy bag training, I do half of the session with gloves, and half without. Going with gloves gets weight on your hand to increase speed, and going without gloves conditions the knuckles. Just gotta know how to punch properly. I think that’s one of the things that a lot of traditional martial arts got right, especially certain styles of karate. Hell, watch any Michael Jai White film lol 😂😂
@gatolf2
@gatolf2 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve hit a heavy bag full force, bare knuckle, for years.this guy your talking about *cough cough icy mike from hard2hurt* is being ridiculous 😂
@driaodrums
@driaodrums 2 жыл бұрын
I feel the issue is less the risk of spraining your wrist and more that the skin is being grated of my knuckles if i dont wear gloves on the bag, my knuckles start bleeding after 10 minutes
@allenbutrum3724
@allenbutrum3724 2 жыл бұрын
I just started catch wrestling and was wondering if u could make a video on it i find it very fun and interesting and I think KZbin will like it too have a nice day!!
@kaebogtimater
@kaebogtimater 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, master!
@kaebogtimater
@kaebogtimater 2 жыл бұрын
Waiting for the hooks video
@mizukarate
@mizukarate 2 жыл бұрын
I used to hit both with and without gloves.
@KastaRules
@KastaRules 2 жыл бұрын
Tegridy is all you need. Tegridy Weed.
@ryanlow380
@ryanlow380 2 жыл бұрын
For some reason, I am getting Aquaman vibes.
@RamseyDewey
@RamseyDewey 2 жыл бұрын
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@Wombo_combo75874
@Wombo_combo75874 2 жыл бұрын
I use to hit my heavy bag full force without gloves when I was a teenager, and I don't recommend it. My form was pretty good, I did a reasonable amount of knuckle conditioning on concrete. Even with good form and condition, if you punch a canvas punching bag as hard as you can enough times you will open the skin over your knuckles, and it took at least a few weeks for that skin to heel, and it will take even longer if you do any punching with scabs on our knuckles. Maybe the smooth surface bags aren't as bad, but canvas will mess you up lol.
@Berengier817
@Berengier817 2 жыл бұрын
Punches fired! Kidding
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