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@Tortilla.Reform20 күн бұрын
Prove me wrong; It’s hypocritical to say you love and support the Constitution, if you also voted for Trump. He says he will get rid of Birthright Citizenship, even though it’s part of the 14th Amendment He literally said he would terminate parts of the Constitution on social media after he lost the last election and started his 4 year temper tantrum about it. He also said he would give police federal immunity during this current campaign, after the police shooting of Sonya Massey
@natedowns520 күн бұрын
3:26 cop just violated the other guy's rights too
@myslinski1119 күн бұрын
I just bought the book and looking forward to reading it.
@justvic8619 күн бұрын
The investigation done by cops has to be the stupidest investigation that I’ve ever seen. Most of these people are too damn incompetent to hold a job at Subway let alone via police officer. He wasn’t on the property. He told you he wasn’t on the property. He’s been on the sidewalk and you’re still trying to push the I need your ID like it’s fucking crack. I mean there are addicted to ID. Can’t let it go like a bunch of things need that fixed. They need their ID. He committed no crime. He’s on a public sidewalk recording in front of anybody to establishment. He can do that. Just tell them not to go on the other person‘s property and call it a day and beat feet
@MadisonD94119 күн бұрын
"Actually" the restaurant's patio is on the PUBLIC sidewalk!!! So even if he went past the barrels it still wouldn't be trespassing
@anarky471120 күн бұрын
"Do you want him trespassed?" "Yes." Stellar investigative skills.
@LivingstonAudits20 күн бұрын
When I got the body camera footage I was shocked to what was said. He spent more time waiting for Mary then talking to Mary.
@philip01320 күн бұрын
He couldn't hang about, he was jonesing for that ID.
@yankeewatchdog20 күн бұрын
@@LivingstonAudits Good job on the A+
@Idontknowwhatswaitingforme20 күн бұрын
@@LivingstonAuditsgreat work big dog. You handled yourself very well. I’m too hot-headed for this kind of thing
@twoblacklabs90420 күн бұрын
@@LivingstonAudits … Go directly after Ofc. Surman’s “Qualified Immunity,” because (I guarantee it…) he’ll attempt to HIDE BEHIND IT!
@vawn11920 күн бұрын
“He’s just one of those first amendment guys” Great to know the police aren’t.
@TheOGKU20 күн бұрын
They don't want us to have rights. They have no respect for any rights, or the constitution they were sworn to uphold
@nahelbeuk20 күн бұрын
Imagine, lowly citizens enforcing their rights *spits*
@BethWishes7720 күн бұрын
@@Noneofyourbusiness2000 The customers started name calling the guy with the camera so he started recording them.
@PremiumUserUltra20 күн бұрын
@@Noneofyourbusiness2000 No, filming isnt hurting anyones cause. Simply because its a first amendment protected activity. You cannot make RIGHTS into CRIMES. Get a backbone.
@USTD38720 күн бұрын
They are tyrants. The enemy of freedom
@chuckdoom766520 күн бұрын
Don't forget the illegal search of the black dude behind him.
@TheAngryAutisticArsehole20 күн бұрын
Testify! I saw that too, lifting up the lip of the bag to look inside. Makes a person want to walk around with a backpack jammed full of adult toys in case the cops want to search you.
@HayleySulfridge20 күн бұрын
Right wtf?!
@tontocorazon20 күн бұрын
Saw that, they just can't stop bothering people
@bromandude120 күн бұрын
Saw that too, just started going through his stuff
@arlinsonarieta193820 күн бұрын
Caught that as well, cops should be embarrassed
@mi-mh1uo6 күн бұрын
My favorite line from this video. "Are you done harrasing me?"
@rexbeau20 күн бұрын
Ironically, these people that didn't want to be filmed in public ended up all over police body cams and a popular KZbin channel...
@Sunflwr19 күн бұрын
Cause who knows what a strange man is gonna do with that footage, just don’t fucking record people
@shabut19 күн бұрын
They must not want to be on the cameras the business has on inside.... all the public security cameras outside is preferable......
@JustMe-fo4ev19 күн бұрын
@@shabut lazy and uneducated reply.
@patrickfaul83419 күн бұрын
That is not a good endorsement of their business!!!!
@veronicamarrs19 күн бұрын
😂❤
@DPSFSU20 күн бұрын
11:45 "because he's not on my property, we can't trespass him, right?" Crazy how even the bar manager knows the law but these "peace" officers had to contact their boss. How sad, embarrassing and crazy is that?!
@GeryonM20 күн бұрын
The fact that he's called it a grey line twice when both civilian parties know there isn't.
@nickjoseph7720 күн бұрын
Exactly! The property owner could guess at that portion of the law, but the cops couldn't even investigate if he entered and remained after being told to leave or trespassed in any capacity before demanding an ID. So goddamn amazing.
@DeezNuggz19 күн бұрын
it is by design
@MtgCoach19 күн бұрын
@DeezNuggz I think you are correct! It could be said that the trend shows LEO'S are more inclined push issues they know are unlawful, showing that quotas are used to catch more fish in the net. Some may avoid prosecution, many won't.
@ianbattles729019 күн бұрын
This department should be embarrassed that a random citizen knows the law better than their officers.
@janeysiegrist506120 күн бұрын
The dead quiet when that officer realized that yes, indeed he did solicit a trespass. 😂😂
@brianbagnall302919 күн бұрын
And the auditor handed over his ID because...? It bothers me to no end when auditors hand over their ID when they clearly don't have to. Educate those cops!
@andymiller647419 күн бұрын
Best moment of the whole interaction
@DirtyBeachKids19 күн бұрын
So good lol
@Neopumper66619 күн бұрын
@@brianbagnall3029because the officer already declared he was detained for trespassing, so he had already lost QI and opened up to a lawsuit
@adamsbamsy630419 күн бұрын
@@brianbagnall3029 I cant agree more. He should have handed his ID under threat of arrest. He handed it when the male officer asked it. Now the officer will assert Mr Levingston handed it consensually.
@monicaheisz97977 күн бұрын
Caller said, "He's on the sidewalk." Dispatch said, "Refuses to leave." Those are very different things.
@DarkKnightBruce18 сағат бұрын
Right. Being on the public sidewalk is the opposite of refusing to leave (somewhere he never was to begin with).
@stevesanderson836020 күн бұрын
One might think that a single officer could have taken care of this call for service in 30 seconds by informing the manager of constitutional rights and Wishing the auditor a nice day.
@sbarron200020 күн бұрын
The manager already knew the law and his rights. She just hoped the cops harassing him would scare him off.
@Ndqar19 күн бұрын
Or a dispatcher could have asked “So what is the nature of the emergency. “
@LadyAdakStillStands19 күн бұрын
@Ndgar Seems it might be past time to educate ALL 911 dispatchers nationwide on simple procedures and we can avoid these types of situations as the knowledge goes back to their individual distriicts.
@PurringBluzzmuffin19 күн бұрын
@@sbarron2000 She probably cared about her customers' experience or something crazy like that.
@kathleenkrug-byle119919 күн бұрын
Dispatchers should be trained to say “other than filming in public which is legal, is anything going on?”.
@axw01620 күн бұрын
A property owner called trespass, someone that has not set foot on the property in order for police to obtain their ID. This is a fourth amendment violation.
@juliebarnett981219 күн бұрын
And false arrest.
@SlMORRG19 күн бұрын
Yup
@kenbo-217919 күн бұрын
No it's not. He willingly relinquished that right.
@deshawnwinn945419 күн бұрын
@@kenbo-2179 Found the bootlicker.
@herbie_the_hillbillie_goat19 күн бұрын
@@kenbo-2179 They used the unlawful trespass to require his ID.
@ph273819 күн бұрын
13:12 “So you solicited a trespass without doing your investigation “. !! Golden!!
@jjptech19 күн бұрын
"Oh.. Oh!" Diamonds
@lejonleonard931219 күн бұрын
When the dumb cop says"hey what's up!"...the look the dude is giving him😂..."yes sucker make it easy!"😂
@lejonleonard931218 күн бұрын
"Investigation"😂too funny,you may as well be talking about their superior FBI.😂
@ahronmadness18 күн бұрын
Looo at his Partner Lmdao
@beayang976617 күн бұрын
For the cop to say “that’s your opinion “ when he flat out admitted it 😂
@SirTunnelSnake7 күн бұрын
Channels like this are so important and I love them so much.. I hope every cop starts to realize that they could end up on youtube in front of millions of people and start to think about how they act. The one cop in this video clearly understands this and just tries to handle the situation to make everyone happy. That's what cops SHOULD do.
@PatientZero_19 күн бұрын
"They don't want you on their property" "I've never been on their property" Jfc this cop 🤣
@nanook662019 күн бұрын
Followed up by telling him that he can stay on the sidewalk on public(exactly what he has been doing).
@OrbSpider19 күн бұрын
No education required to follow orders. No requirement to understand law when you're able to act with impunity iether. 😂 I don't live in America yet I have more knowledge of rights than any of these cops! That's hilarious.
@letstalkaboutit825419 күн бұрын
Mr. Livingston filed an offical complaint with the cops which of course was duly noted & then duly tossed in the trash. Case Closed.
@krane1519 күн бұрын
The cop's understanding is that any business can trespass people at random. You can't trespass someone that has never been on your property.
@johngallipani278117 күн бұрын
jfc?
@alexursus471920 күн бұрын
The first thing the cops said was give me your ID. This says a lot about these characters.
@lpd1snipe19 күн бұрын
Yes, that's what they are taught in the police academy. The same things were taught to the Nazi Stormtroopers and the Stasi after them. We must see your ID/ your papers!
@joshcarpenter200819 күн бұрын
They're addicted to ID like it's cop heroin.
@philipmitchener2818 күн бұрын
“Ve must szee ze papars!”
@christineclarke151318 күн бұрын
ID junkies, They need their fix.
@thedaemonator324415 күн бұрын
Gotta keep the ID theft ring money coming in
@BlitzKrieg-fc8up20 күн бұрын
"You want him trespassed?" is BRILLIANT investigative techniques!!!
@BlitzKrieg-fc8up20 күн бұрын
Then after harrasing and intimidating, he makes a call and finds out he might actually need to do his duty?? Oh what a shame!!
@BlitzKrieg-fc8up20 күн бұрын
Hahaha!! Is that "Grey Line" in a clear situation like this.. similar or akin to the "Blue Line"?
@HeWhoLives3320 күн бұрын
Solicitation of trespass
@javajetson25719 күн бұрын
@@BlitzKrieg-fc8up That is why more and more people are loosing faith in the police
@reddfoxx901919 күн бұрын
Really highlights those weeks of training 😂
@timberwolf24506 күн бұрын
"Hey! you dropped this." Lmao, such a great shirt for this situation
@emaciatedFlower4 күн бұрын
He definitely picked that shirt because of that 😂
@treystone199319 сағат бұрын
A guy that has a real connection with his audience 😂. The irony of a modern public service sworn to protect and serve the public hiring the ignorant and the misanthropic ptsd sufferers...
@Sendu712 күн бұрын
"He is recording all my customers" - Doesn't the business manager also record all the customers with security cameras?
@Sendu712 күн бұрын
Police are also recording all her customers.
@locksmithmuggle11 күн бұрын
For security. Not for KZbin. Not for profit. There is clearly a distinction.
@Kangel348611 күн бұрын
No expectations to privacy in a public place
@locksmithmuggle10 күн бұрын
@@Kangel3486 Being filmed in a public place without your consent is generally not considered harassment in most jurisdictions, as long as the filming is done in a way that doesn't invade your reasonable expectation of privacy; however, depending on the context and intent of the filming, it could be considered harassment if it is done in a way that is intended to intimidate, distress, or cause emotional harm to the person being filmed. Setting up a tripod to film patrons as they eat could easily be construed as harassment. And it's just plain rude and creepy.
@V-gw8jt10 күн бұрын
They don't post their videos all over the internet genuis, their cameras are for security, there's a difference crayon eater
@billcosby860320 күн бұрын
The officer solicited a trespass because he just wants the arrest. He wanted it so bad that he even was ready to fight with his sergeant. Great job dumb asses.
@cyclopticclaybuster20 күн бұрын
They don't make ANY money for the state if they just come chat and walk away. They have to escalate to make an arrest.
@rangerrecon20 күн бұрын
This is the problem with poor policing. Officers make assumptions based on a on-sided call placed to dispatch and make little effort to investigate. They have established routines, like demanding ID, that they fall back on instead of learning the laws, evaluating the actions of everyone involved, and determining if there was a crime and, if so, what that crime was. They just want to issue a citation and be on their way. That isn't community policing.
@beaupierrebondurant565119 күн бұрын
What happens when you hire illiterate hillbillies.
@wingatebarraclough355319 күн бұрын
Imagine how that abusing thug treats his family behind closed doors
@OOOOOO1234519 күн бұрын
The point system exposed. Trying to get that pay raise and higher rank.
@alhanzar20 күн бұрын
A private enterprise has a citizen trespassed from a public sidewalk. What kind of parallel universe is this??
@jimzucker20 күн бұрын
idiocracy
@eldritchmorgasm401820 күн бұрын
🤡topia
@ckahlquist212919 күн бұрын
This is democracy in action.
@thebullgator19 күн бұрын
It takes more effort and study to become a plumber than it does to become a law enforcement officer.
@wessexdruid759819 күн бұрын
@@thebullgator It takes more time to be taught to cut hair.
@kennymankennyman39807 күн бұрын
The Attorney General of the US should watch these videos all the time and actually investigate all officers that are violating the citizens’ rights.
@adammorgan678919 күн бұрын
“They’re requesting that we go ahead and move you along” I think that is the single most outrageous statement made within this interaction.
@paul-o2n8j19 күн бұрын
the resturant should pay the cops salary since the cops appear to be working for them .
@thepax262120 күн бұрын
"I go ask them... If he... If he ever entered..." Good idea officer, why didn't you do that in the first place? 🤦🏻♀️
@metimoteo19 күн бұрын
He missed that day at the academy.
@chronographer19 күн бұрын
I mean it's not really relevant to being trespassed. He can be trespassed while standing outside. It's just not a criminal matter at all.
@thepax262119 күн бұрын
@@chronographer Yes it is relevant. He can't be trespassed from a public sidewalk
@grislytooth119 күн бұрын
@@chronographerit is absolutely imperative that we know whether or not he actually entered the property. This is CRITICAL. Otherwise, any business can trespass any random person walking by, which would mean anyone can be IDd by the cops for no reason at all. This is an obvious problem that would arise from being able to do what the cops are trying to do in this video. The only reason I should have to provide police with my ID is if I’m suspected of committing a crime, or I’m involved in supporting an investigation as a witness. A business simply pointing to someone who HAS NOT entered the property at any point isn’t sufficient for determining reasonable suspicion that a crime has taken place.
@chronographer19 күн бұрын
@thepax2621 but he can be trespassed from the private business, even while standing on the side walk.
@darcmadr650016 күн бұрын
This officer is so confused. ‘You have the right to be on a public sidewalk, but they’re a private business and so they can have you trespassed.’ Please, no life and death decisions for this guy.
@bunkerputt16 күн бұрын
This. The words are meaningless to their minds. The power they can exert is all that matters to these smooth brains.
@MarkGarber-mt8yf13 күн бұрын
Trespassed if he enters the business dummy
@mookiewilson416613 күн бұрын
@@MarkGarber-mt8yfLike the cop, you can’t make the critical distinction between being trespassed or being given a trespass warning. Neither allows police to violate a citizen’s 4A right not to identify. The citizen would have to remain on private property after warning, or remain unlawfully on public property if he was committing a crime, in order for a cop to lawfully demand ID or detain a citizen.
@darcmadr650013 күн бұрын
@ Obviously you didn’t watch the video. Or maybe you have comprehension problems. The entire first half they were arguing that HE COULD BE TRESPASSED FROM THE SIDEWALK! I wrote slowly so you could keep up, but you need to pay closer attention if you’re going to participate.
@GozieZilla11 күн бұрын
Unless it's regarding his own life
@admpandora918 күн бұрын
"QUICK, CALL THE POLICE! THIS GUY IS MINDING HIS OWN BUSINESS!!!"
@JamesKennedy-t9h19 күн бұрын
The Cop says he's a "1st Amendment guy" as if your Constitutional rights are something to be ashamed of.. We the People need to stop this now!
@brotha_pedat18 күн бұрын
@@JamesKennedy-t9h Cops do and say that shit all the time! It's actually quite embarrassing and infuriating. They say all manner of stupid, impertinent, two-faced things when in private with complainants.
@jsncrso18 күн бұрын
Most auditors are as obnoxious as the police. Just because it's legal doesn't make it right. I hate them as much as the cops
@mshumai18 күн бұрын
Absolutely right. Cops should realize every citizen including themselves are entitled and beholden to the First Amendment. We are all "First Amendment guys" and need to exercise our rights so that uninformed tyrants stop infringing on them.
@SeanEmanon18 күн бұрын
No, he said it as if he meant that the guy didn’t do anything wrong
@Hezigrimm18 күн бұрын
We the people are first amendment people. Like the majority of people who are cops are just the wrong people.
@pamelawillms984320 күн бұрын
The Cop keeps repeating “They don’t want you on their property” even after he’s told them he has been only on the Public Sidewalk. And that it’s a “First Amendment Right”.
@shize9ine20 күн бұрын
I feel like this could have been fixed at the 911 operator level. "Ma'am, do you own the sidewalk? Ok, well that is public property. Call us back if he comes into your store."
@kathya.918419 күн бұрын
The cop's brain was stuck in a delusion (a fixed, false belief despite all evidence to the contrary) that camera guy had trespassed.
@Whiskey9o513 күн бұрын
That would end the conversation right there! No?
@sabias39322 күн бұрын
I get the impression they were trying to get him riled up and get him for disorderly conduct...
@dannyw766220 күн бұрын
When are dispatchers going to start telling people it is NOT ILLEGAL.
@christine_lovelace20 күн бұрын
Not their call unless their an officer
@stephenmercer634620 күн бұрын
Need to hold dispatchers responsible for their actions as well
@josephhodges981920 күн бұрын
When they become cops and have the right to. They report but do not investigate.
@theboss162520 күн бұрын
Never, because it's impossible to make that determination over the phone
@Bruce4lmighty20 күн бұрын
@@christine_lovelace That can very easily be changed
@myreasonforlife.9511Күн бұрын
That's a good visual and wake up call for most business owners!! You can't always have your way just because you don't like something. And if you see none of the customers look Disturbed.
@thirdclasshero114820 күн бұрын
I like how this auditor heard about cops doing something wrong and showed up to help stop them. A lot of auditors act cocky and borderline provocative with cops, this guy was a smooth operator. Great job!
@briant726519 күн бұрын
I'm with you there. He was calm, articulate, and nonconfrontational.
@lauraford4519 күн бұрын
If a cop can be provoked Into not doing the right thing then he's still a shitty cop.
@dafizend19 күн бұрын
I liked most of it but didn't like him handing over his ID. You can deny that without being confrontational. Trespassing warnings do not require you to hand over ID. If asked for ID if I was in same situation would respond I will not provide ID without a threat of arrest I need you to violate my 4th amendment right to provide you with my ID(yes I've done this several times and it's about 45/45/10 either they threaten arrest and I provide the ID or they back off or they arrest me I'm ok with any of these outcomes because 2/3's of the time I get paid). By him volunteering to hand it over without that threat of arrest his 4th amendment right wasn't violated.
@JustMe-fo4ev19 күн бұрын
@@dafizend Maybe you should go do one yourself and show him how it's done
@michaeldunar898619 күн бұрын
@@briant7265He gave them his ID, therefore I'm a tad disappointed. If you want to stand your ground then do it. Not part time.
@miepski20 күн бұрын
His t-shirt couldn't have been more spot on.
@twentyfive601920 күн бұрын
Did anyone else see the other guy sitting on a bench get his 4th right violated by the cop that wasn't there for him.
@andrewvirtue504819 күн бұрын
3:15 - 3:29 you uncivil monster.
@magicbeefy8519 күн бұрын
Plain sight items are not protected by the 4th amendment It was an open bag sitting on the ledge, not a closed bag on his person
@IchiSAO19 күн бұрын
@@magicbeefy85 so if u out side i can walk over and open up your bags? you feel ok with that?
@Herb-z9w19 күн бұрын
@@magicbeefy85did he touch the bag to open it further? Yes he's did, and that eliminates the plain view doctrine.
@andrewprice943119 күн бұрын
@@Herb-z9wexactly officer had no clue what was inside the bad without opening it to see. That proves it’s not plain sight in itself
@kevinohalloran71648 күн бұрын
"your camera making people feel uncomfortable." And there's probably 5 building-mounted security cameras recording every angle of this location all the time.
@RinrnКүн бұрын
Are you being disingenuous or just socially inept? There’s a difference between some guy setting up a tripod and recording vs being passively caught on security cameras that no one will probably see
@ShadowBox112Күн бұрын
@Rinrn There’s fundamentally no difference. If he didn’t record what he wanted, no one would ever have seen his recording.
@RinrnКүн бұрын
@@ShadowBox112 you don’t know that, they don’t know that, for whatever reason it still could’ve ended up on any of his social media pages. That’s where the fundamental difference is
@audioman80820 күн бұрын
Ladies and gentlemen remember feelings do not dictate the law
@jimzucker20 күн бұрын
go tell the whole female staff at that place
@Chrissy-boy20 күн бұрын
Youre obviously not from the UK then?
@timothyavendt67719 күн бұрын
@@jimzucker Thier reviews are bing bombed, however, google is already on that.....
@ShainAndrews18 күн бұрын
@audioman808 Respectfully... you are wrong. Laws are 100% sourced from emotion.
@daveblackman81620 күн бұрын
The sidewalk isn’t their property. How can the cops be this ignorant? Also, get rid of that dispatcher!
@tbohtwentyone20 күн бұрын
The dispatcher is useless, She will will get someone killed one day with her selective info management.
@stevejette232920 күн бұрын
dave - Not necessary to "get rid" of the dispatcher. She may be very new. We are ALL on a learning curve. She, like these cops, needs better training.
@PremiumUserUltra20 күн бұрын
the cops are the "good guys(hired help)" for the business owners. Regular non patrons I guess are just subjects to the city (slaves). Easy to see with VIDEO PROOF.
@jnothanks20 күн бұрын
It's probably supported by local ordinances and department policies. I work for a public library and the local deputies trespassed a dude from our system for a year (our own standard is a week for the first offense) for sleeping on the sidewalk in front of one of our branches. Despite the fact that we requested he NOT be trespassed, they insisted and the SO asserted the trespass was within the deputy's discretionary purview. The department then leaned on the library's leadership and local commissioners to force us to change our policies for people sleeping in or near our facilities.
@PremiumUserUltra20 күн бұрын
@@jnothanks all of which aren't laws on PUBLIC PROPERTY unless there is a crime being committed.
@ChefBoyareB8 күн бұрын
When she said "He never stepped on the property so he can't be trespassed" should have been her moment of clarity she never should have called in the first place.
@mrmeeseeks67872 күн бұрын
Fr, she should be taken to court for misuse of emergency services
@sayvorE882 күн бұрын
people are stupid I thought you should know that
@hoothoot6849Күн бұрын
they're not the brightest bulb in the pack.
@MrSigmaticoКүн бұрын
I mean where I am from she would be fined for that call to emergency services, there is no emergency :p that being said he would probably be told to stop filming people who do not want to be filmed.
@RotcivVanDahl2 күн бұрын
The girl cop has no clue about public vs private. It’s disgusting
@an3080519 күн бұрын
That should have ended at the phone call with dispatch telling the caller that recording is not a crime, good bye.
@Royce1672719 күн бұрын
Depending on the circumstances, it can be. And even if this particular act was not a crime in the strict sense, it still made patrons outside uncomfortable. If we change the circumstances a bit: maybe this was a dude on his phone recording on a public sidewalk, leering at a attractive woman on the patio, what would be the proper solution in that circumstance? 🤷 if we are going to write laws that we all have to follow, they have to be universally applied. That universal application can lead to some unforeseen, and unwanted consequences...
@tsafamv712519 күн бұрын
I'm starting to think that they hire anyone who graduated middle school
@HaHaroni19 күн бұрын
@@Royce16727Discomfort is a personal problem. Not a crime. No expectation of privacy in public. The law has been decided.
@MarkD-ph2bz19 күн бұрын
@@Royce16727Then patrons can sit inside the actual private property to increase their comfort instead of outside on the public sidewalk. The business doesn't own the sidewalk. Unless there is a lease agreement they are paying, that is public property, and let's call it what it is. Stealing from the public.
@michaeldunar898619 күн бұрын
@@Royce16727Listen dude, your opinion and your what if non sense have zero consideration when applied to the law. Rights don't pause where your feelings start
@HighlanderThisIlldefend20 күн бұрын
Trespassed from a property he wasn't on, illegally ID' and 1st Amendment violated all because the cops got a call. Abolish qualified immunity and get rid of these jokers. "He's just one of those 1st Amendment guys." Tells me all I need to know. Love how the guy catches the cops for soliciting a trespass before even finding out if he had even been on the property. Golden.
@fishbike910319 күн бұрын
EVERY person in America is an EVERY amendment guy.
@joshuastanton673119 күн бұрын
It looks like the state courts have all but stripped the fourth amendment rights from the citizens of this state.
@echo6echo41919 күн бұрын
I don't think the cops were right, however, you can be trespassed from a private business for no reason at all other than they don't want you there. Also, there is NO SUCH THING as "soliciting a trespass". A LEO asking them the question is not illegal, immoral or anything else. Some places just give authority to the local agency to trespass at will and they don't even need to ask anyone.
@HighlanderThisIlldefend19 күн бұрын
@echo6echo419 you're incorrect. You cannot be trespassed from a property you are not on. They don't need a reason but you have to be asked and refuse to leave in order to then be legally trespassed. In many States there are indeed laws against police soliciting a trespass, maybe not in your's.
@echo6echo41919 күн бұрын
@@HighlanderThisIlldefend You're confusing "trespass order" and "criminal trespass". I can say I don't want you on my property and you either have to leave and stay off or just stay off. That's a "trespass order". If you refuse to leave or come back on the property, that's criminal trespass and you can be arrested. Both are commonly called "trespassIng". It's a bit of a misnomer, but I'm am correct that you can't "solicit a trespass" as everyone says. Please show me the statute or finding if you think there is such a thing as I can't find it.
@Backstage_Politician20 күн бұрын
The cops solicit a trespass from public property. This is the EASIEST LAWSUIT EVER!!!!
@calamagrostis8815 күн бұрын
The Jolly Pumpkin Yelp website is being hammered with negative comments. And the jerks sitting at the table who didn't want to be videoed have now been viewed by almost a million people.
@sarahs.645715 күн бұрын
@@calamagrostis88yelp closed the comments for the JP too. Got a warning saying their site has been hit with lots of traffic so they closed comment section and they are doing an investigation to make sure it's actual consumer related or a recent event. Lol.
@vahnnoa399013 күн бұрын
The reason he can't find representation is because there are no actual damages. While his rights were violated, because he suffered no ill-effects no monetary value can be prescribed to cure them.
@zaatas13 күн бұрын
@@vahnnoa3990 Being detained for 10+ minutes for no reason is a damage. Life is finite. And time is worth infinite money.
@tricia643012 күн бұрын
Sue them
@Thumper688 күн бұрын
The dispatcher should be telling the store owner that the man’s not breaking the law but you are calling 911 for lawful activities…but instead she doesn’t listen the relays incorrect information which could get someone innocent hurt or killed. All circling back to the bad 911 call from the business.
@maddogwillie101919 күн бұрын
The cop who just casually walked over and check the guys bag shown that violating people rights is second nature to these cops. People only have the rights cops say they do…the only way cops find out about a citizen rights is after they violate them and the city or dept is sued….they are told to stop doing that
@b3at219 күн бұрын
Ditto!!!
@seabeejg17 күн бұрын
Except they don't stop and are usually let off again. And again. And again. And aga....you get it.
@maddogwillie101917 күн бұрын
@@seabeejg yea, your probable right. The whole problems with law enforcement (if you call it that) in this country is the way cops are hired and training and the lack of accountability. They are hired by other cops that want to know if they see a cop violate the law or someone civil rights the new guy will have their back. It's called Back the Blue. As for training, the primary focus is using violence and physical force to make an arrest and how to kill someone with a firearm. There will be no accountability as long as there is qualify immunity.
@malachi-16 күн бұрын
And even then, they are told that as a formality to follow ADMINISTRATIVE policy.
@maddogwillie101915 күн бұрын
@ cops dress like they are going to war no matter where they go…I attend a local police citizen academy at the community center. Part of the rules to attend was no weapons, even thought there is no law against an open carry or concealed carry in the community center. There were 4 cops at the training, all were decked out in full gear, bulletproof vest, guns, taser, pepper spray, extra mags…the works. If cop’s really want to show respect and trust with the community they should have left all that in the car. But no, to the cop that gear is their sign of authority more then their badge.
@mark7s98018 күн бұрын
How do you get trespassed from a public sidewalk by a business you've never even set foot in?
@splashpit17 күн бұрын
I know by that cops logic he could uno that and trespass the cop from his house and ask for his information
@jmg56717 күн бұрын
That’s the neat part, you can’t
@dandylion999817 күн бұрын
This happened in another area. The guy was on the sidewalk with sign I think (something Christianly written on the sign I believe). He wasn’t harassing anyone or asking for anything (money, etc.). The business called the police. They argued with the guy and I believe arrested him (later released). He technically never was on the business “property” and wasn’t doing anything unlawful. He knew his rights. The cops didn’t. I might have some details wrong. But overall the sidewalk where the guy stood didn’t belong to the business so they had no say.
@steboulrase17 күн бұрын
She is a bully female.. they all are!
@badlarry17216 күн бұрын
i'm from the uk and even i understand your "trespass" laws better than that muppet leo
@PepeToTheMooon20 күн бұрын
Violations of the 4th amendment and I also blame the dispatcher too. The sidewalk isn’t part of the property!
@ElmshornBoy20 күн бұрын
Explain that dispatcher. She sure cries in court room.
@crazyzabo20 күн бұрын
and, maybe THEY are on public property. Let´s call the city and let them know about their crappy cops and, if they are on public property, revoke their privileges. We have been informed. Let´s act!
@krane1519 күн бұрын
So much for the Bill of Rights.
@aytchjay-vvv18 күн бұрын
I dunno if dispatchers should also have to explain and interpret the law. Maybe a dispatcher could have eliminated this situation, but think of how many would accidentally tell someone the police couldn’t help when they could-like DV and people with retraining orders, family conflict, etc. (I don’t think cities would be okay with paying them more for that massive additional training either) But I definitely understand your frustration
@jalejake49974 күн бұрын
Dispatch should know and be able to tell people that you can record in public dispatch is just as much at fault as the corrupt officers
@joeking285019 күн бұрын
"He's one of those 1st amendment guys" says the guy who swore to protect those amendments. You can't fix stupid!
@JimiSparx-yw3gb19 күн бұрын
How DARE he invoke one of his FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS! What a DIRTBAG!
@krane1519 күн бұрын
LOL, oath? Does anybody still believe that? Oaths are for honorable men. I seriously doubt there's any of them left, but if there are, they're certainly are not the cops.
@paul-o2n8j19 күн бұрын
@@krane15 AMEN ! I took the oath as an 18 year old when i joined the navy, it was a deeply profound moment for me , i had never took an oath before and these 40+ years later i;m still a man of my word.
@michaelfiori670018 күн бұрын
@@paul-o2n8jdoubt it bud. No follows the "oath"
@fishbone333316 күн бұрын
Indeed. For example, if he wants to go to a public park and film little girls and boys playing, IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL, and if a concerned parent wants to do something about it, then they are TYRANTS. If the cops would simply perform their jobs in accordance with the oaths they took, they should be telling any concerned parent to mind their own business and permit the stranger to film their children, because any time you are in public, you have zero expectation to not feel uncomfortable due to the actions of a strange man filming your children. It's WHAT THE FOUNDERS WANTED.
@krisnkyle983419 күн бұрын
I love that he made sure to say the cop solicated a trespass before even finding out if hed been on the property.
@krane1519 күн бұрын
He went from 0-100 with a though or concern given. Is there any wonder he earned an F?
@echo6echo41919 күн бұрын
Here we go....there is NO such thing as "soliciting a trespass". How is the officer supposed to know if the business wants him trespassed? Asking the question isn't an issue. Do I think the officer was right? NO, but asking the question of the business isn't an issue.
@MinqApoc18 күн бұрын
@@echo6echo419 It's called a leading question. He could've asked "Why did you call us?". But he went with "So, you want us to trespass him?"
@Macca-9517 күн бұрын
@@echo6echo419 Absolutely it is soliciting a trespass. The officer's job is to ask what's going on and perhaps what they want done about it. It is up to the property owner to request a trespass.
@Dravianpn0217 күн бұрын
@@echo6echo419yes there is. The courts and laws disagree with you.
@Chucky92519 күн бұрын
Did you see how the male tyrant went over and LOOKED in the man's bag sitting on the side. Wow what a violation....
@joenunes626719 күн бұрын
When he did that, i knew we had a uniformed turd on scene. He couldn't care less about his Oath to the Constitution and our Rights. When he's confronted with reason, he cries about I'm not gonna go back and forth with ya.... The statement of a loser that knows he's wrong and too stupid to apologize. Three uniformed jackwagons for a guy with a camera...in public. They claim to be highly trained and have excellent investigate skills...but all we see is biased stupidity disguised as peace officers.
@GeorgeChalabis19 күн бұрын
I thought the guy was with him.
@mr4x4s12 күн бұрын
I noticed and commented with the time stamp… just tyrants being tyrants 🙄
@BeautifulMixedKids4 күн бұрын
There is no expectation of privacy in a public space!
@Michael-mw3gz20 күн бұрын
Cops, you enforce law. Not feelings. In case you guys forgot.
@noodlegunoblongata20 күн бұрын
this is the Feminised West bro, its all about feelings now
@j.f.516220 күн бұрын
Truth.
@gizmo-xc4eb20 күн бұрын
Pffft. They don’t even do that. They enforce their own laws/opinions.
@StarterVillian20 күн бұрын
Got to remember those businesses. Give them free stuff all the time. Most restaurants feed them for free also which seems to be a health concern
@FatedGamer20 күн бұрын
@jimminycrunkett well except for when the right wing conservatives voted in a felon because they felt he would recover the economy, with no economic plan.
@BushidoNinja19 күн бұрын
6:26 so I can be sitting at home, and if a business wants me trespassed, a cop can show up at my home and force me to i.d. according to this officer's logic. Such an idiot
@Anomoomin19 күн бұрын
Ofc, didn't you hear the news? You are guilty until proven innocent.
@charliepearce876719 күн бұрын
We have all broken some law before we get outta bed each morning. It's designed that way.
@wopaah19 күн бұрын
Well, you can pre-emptively trespass every local police officer from your own property, apparently...
@davidely703219 күн бұрын
Ugh. Disappointing that he surrendered his Fourth Amendment right immediately, without protest or civil disobedience. The way a trespass works, as I understand it, a person goes onto foreign property, a legal representative of the property asks or tells them to leave ... and the person refuses. The photographer was never on the property and so had no obligation to ID himself. Jolly Pumpkin should not be able to have a comatose patient in a hospital trespassed and ID'ed just because the manager of the Jolly Pumpkin doesn't like men named Tom. Schmucks. 🙄
@Thomas-Skaa19 күн бұрын
I mean it happened to me. I pumped gas at a gas station. the manager knows me and hates me. next day I had a cop come to my door and tell me I am not allowed on the property and asked for my ID. I said "okay have a good day" and closed the door. he left.
@bryanh238619 күн бұрын
Officer states to the manager, “it is a gray line”, no it’s black and white. Public sidewalk leave the guy alone!
@Hezigrimm18 күн бұрын
He got checked by someone higher than him then he tried to make himself not look as bad. I mean it isn't a good look for cops to not look like they know what they are doing.
@brasshouse-fireball18 күн бұрын
It is a grey line. This jackass is affecting this business just because he can. This dude is an obvious provocateur. Keep this shit up and they’ll change the definition of harassment and this shit will be illegal.
@mpayson18 күн бұрын
If I heard right, and I might have misheard, I think he also told his sergeant that he would let the manager know that they could potentially be sued if he was falsely trespassed. But when he went in to talk to her again, he only asked further questions which proved that he was in fact being falsely trespassed, and never bothered to communicate that to her. He obviously was not, in the end, trespassed, but the bar is still potentially liable (along with the city) for his illegal detention, and his failure to communicate that to her could exacerbate the damage that he caused by his completely willful misconduct here.
@eatmyfishy18 күн бұрын
@@brasshouse-fireballYes but unless he is violating a law about “disturbing the peace” or something (that is not trespass or something based on private property) that applies to public property he is free to do so…
@Macca-9517 күн бұрын
@@brasshouse-fireball Except it will not because it is 1A protected.
@rionarcher23828 күн бұрын
YELP has throttled the Jolly Pumpkins comment section. This big tech censorship is out of control. I hope the manager gets fired as well as the cops that lied and threatened and harassed this gentleman who was simply filming in public, an activity that apparently cops, the state and businesses have a monopoly on in their own opinions. Always fight for our rights.
@ClockwrkOrange21 сағат бұрын
It's not ok to lie about dining experiences because you think the business needs to be punished. Yelp has no obligation to aid mob justice
@rionarcher238211 сағат бұрын
@@ClockwrkOrange Who said anything about lying? And mob justice is more than the man received from their mob business. Justice is justice. Going to yelp to review their behavior toward guests is not lying. It's shining a light of truth on their abusive and authoritarian behavior. You're a simple sheep. Baaa baa baaaaddd" cries the sheep.
@robhemenway432619 күн бұрын
"I want every person in this building trespassed from my home. Go start getting all their IDs and issuing trespassing notices." Makes exactly as much sense as what they are trying to do to him.
@pilotincommand8519 күн бұрын
Good point…i wasn’t sure how i felt about this until you put it in those terms …you’re right its ludicrous
@wtf_jokes963919 күн бұрын
Was thinking this exact same thing as I was watching the video
@jfb720111 күн бұрын
I was typing this exact thing and I wish he had said it just to show them how stupid their logic is.
@matthewshaud174112 күн бұрын
I love how that when they get a call, your rights are automatically suspended. Lawsuits need to be filed until these clown cops get the picture.
@scottbinns31812 күн бұрын
Yep. Hearsay automatically means you're guilty of a crime.
@jfb720111 күн бұрын
The problem is when you win these lawsuits the judges say there is little or no damages for having your 4th amendment rights violated. Which I find funny cuz how can they put a dollar value on my privacy? And then decide it's that low
@arthurneddysmith11 күн бұрын
@@jfb7201 That's the problem. The judge and his family never have to go through what you and I go through. They just say their name or job and the police suddenly grow some reluctance. It's why you never hear a news title like: "Judge's/Politician's/Police Chief's Son Falsely Arrested, Lawsuit To Come".
@richardadams110 күн бұрын
Especially in East Lansing
@Ray-my7gk10 күн бұрын
Lawsuits are filed all the time and we're still waiting for them to get the picture. Take away their qualified immunity and make the cops pay settlements from their pensions. Guessing this would be much more effective than having taxpayers foot the bill every time this happens.
@bradnelson189 күн бұрын
Attorney here. Found this post scrolling (and inherently the content creators page). This is probably one of the most objective rationalizations I’ve seen in a long time from a content creator. The hierarchy of Case Law, Statutes and the Constitution is critical in understanding the video. This thinking was done here and was very thorough by providing key quotes from laws and judicial court opinions. Solid job.
@l-train78769 күн бұрын
Did you ever consider that the creator is also in law?
@robdudley38679 күн бұрын
Maybe you could represent this guy then or help him find an attorney who would.
@darkmay2008 күн бұрын
Where you high when you wrote this? Edit your post again to correct the errors 👍
@AmyCT6228 күн бұрын
@@darkmay200 you just made me choke lmao
@Thumper688 күн бұрын
This channel and a few others do this exact thing every single video. KZbin also has a few good attorney creators. KZbin can be a valuable resource for people to learn if they do their own research along with it to verify anything they’re watching. For past 8 years I’ve read more case law then I’d care to admit but I’m an extremely well informed citizen.
@danielfinch3624 күн бұрын
When the cop said standing on a sidewalk is a grey line, he made it crystal clear he hasn't got a clue what he's doing.
@PatrickCurtis-y9o20 күн бұрын
There's really no wonder why crime is so rampant everywhere It takes 3 officers to chase down a man With a camera
@echewta20 күн бұрын
Puts tables outside in public. Upset with public.
@timr8686820 күн бұрын
Claims to be a free speech proponent. Stops and creates a giant scene when some random person calls him fat.
@patrickrkruger19 күн бұрын
I bet it's the drunks at that table that's been the real problem
@genericalfishtycoon385319 күн бұрын
@@timr86868 Freedom of speech never meant freedom from consequences, or that everyone needs to be tolerant of what was said. This country's citizens used to understand what debating was, but this social media era's failed attempts at mediation and manipulation have seen that understanding thoroughly destroyed.
@TarellHudson19 күн бұрын
@@timr86868he never caused a scene. He stood quietly and simply put up a camera. Now those same ppl calling someone fat have a titty attack for being on camera meanwhile they are sitting in plain view of thousands of cameras.
@jamiewilliams832019 күн бұрын
@@timr86868he didn’t retaliate though. He just did exactly what he’s allowed to do. Where’s the problem?
@vyvyanbasterd413312 күн бұрын
REMEMBER TO SHOW YOUR LOVE TO THE JOLLY PUMPKIN BECAUSE THEY CREATED THIS MESS
@shroompicn-shrooman10 күн бұрын
The sad part is why he was there to start with them getting homeless people trespassed from the public sidewalk
@CaligaRelinquo2 күн бұрын
The cop knew he messed up 😂
@martj131320 күн бұрын
I am a gardener from northern England and i know more about the US constitution and laws than almost every cop in America.
@zacharycarpenter566220 күн бұрын
Whats sad is it's than most Americans, look the jolly pumbkin didn't know that you shouldn't call the cops on people not breaking the law. They were hoping the cops would come to beat and kidnap him
@warwickscram165620 күн бұрын
The cops know, they just don't give a shit.
@bigdumbguy219020 күн бұрын
You would be over qualified for a police job in America. Stick to gardening.
@Bob1000919 күн бұрын
Likewise ( but not a gardener) 😎🇬🇧🤷🏻♂️
@deannanace893519 күн бұрын
@@warwickscram1656 - Honestly, a lot of cop don't know. They can't even tell you what that 1st amendment is.
@christopherblaisdel20 күн бұрын
Does she just not listen? No matter how many times he points out that he is on the public sidewalk, she keeps saying, "They just don't want you on their property."
@gonzalez8juan20 күн бұрын
The jolly pumpkin owns the sidewalk 🥴
@Don-mi6zl20 күн бұрын
@@gonzalez8juanEven if that were true an easement almost certainly exists.
@eldritchmorgasm401820 күн бұрын
"Allow me to introduce you to the invading IDIOCRACY of... 🤡topia from another dimension." - Reality
@annjepsen162119 күн бұрын
@@gonzalez8juan No, the city does.
@gonzalez8juan19 күн бұрын
@@annjepsen1621 really? I had no idea /s
@raymondsanchez215719 күн бұрын
“Hes just one of those first amendments guys”? What a citizen that knows their rights? Jeezus
@neilshome8 күн бұрын
When are these Police officers going to be educated on the law???????
@DacDac-w7r20 күн бұрын
Unlawful detainment, unlawful ID, Unlawful Trespass. Very easy Lawsuit.
@nevaeh201320 күн бұрын
People have actually lost their lives because of a dispatcher not conveying the correct information. that is not acceptable.
@bikeguyhd103519 күн бұрын
The recording of the initial call should be sent right the the officers responding, so they can listen and verify the report. This needs to be standard practice.
@nanook662019 күн бұрын
@bikeguyhd1035 thats not efficient at all. They just need to train their dispatchers better.
@bikeguyhd103519 күн бұрын
@ how is that not efficient? You don’t want police in the scene the ability to listen to the call, which would help their investigation?
@southerncalifornia477119 күн бұрын
@@bikeguyhd1035 a caller isn’t the best. You remember on this same channel. A caller said a person recording had a weapon and 8-12 cop cars showed up to a poor guy that was just filming. It could be dangerous..
@dietrichbuxtehude696519 күн бұрын
Yes. This, and supposedly many times before, the manager has "swatted" people out in front of the property. She should be very serious trouble.
@joeblue201220 күн бұрын
Wow the cop in the back illegally searching the mans bag also
@SotaBoy4232Күн бұрын
*Black man. That's the only reason why. It had nothing to do with him possibly drinking in public 🙄
@jryland64 күн бұрын
That was pure stupidity on the police officers part all he had to tell the jolly pumpkin people was that the sidewalk is public property, not private property and they cannot make him leave because he’s not trespassing on public property, now the cop is saying that he never told him he had to leave, which is a crock.
@ph273819 күн бұрын
I will be trespassing myself from The Jolly Pumpkin.
@imkiller8419 күн бұрын
Ya, avoid downtown Holland as well. Those folks got a stick up their ass too.
@blainelytle34119 күн бұрын
Maybe we should do a flash mob of First Amendment Auditor's here ??
@justicedemocrat935717 күн бұрын
Can you tresspass yourself off youtube.
@TheJamesRG4 күн бұрын
@@justicedemocrat9357 can you trespass yourself from oxygen?
@RynardMooreVstar119 күн бұрын
The officer who looked into the guy's bag should be either reprimanded or fired for illegal search. SMH.
@librab10319 күн бұрын
Fired
@raggu161419 күн бұрын
I caught that too. Quite a strange thing to just do so nonchalantly which means he does it all the time.
@morganhill771116 күн бұрын
Well, the bag COULD have contained an anthrax or a bomb. Officer safety.
@stephenhall542119 күн бұрын
Jolly Pumpkin won't be getting my business...
@Drooligan19 күн бұрын
I never liked Jolly Pumpkin. I tried a bunch of their beers many years ago and they all sucked.
@TruthTroII19 күн бұрын
Owner: "he's just really bad for business" Want to know what else is bad for business? Getting flooded with 1 star reviews because you decided it was a good plan to violate someone.
@sanctealphonse451019 күн бұрын
Yeah they're not going to get the business of probably like 99.999999% of people cuz they ain't live nowhere near there bro
@alexd792519 күн бұрын
Never heard of online reviews huh? @sanctealphonse4510
@crissd828319 күн бұрын
I don't hold the Jolly Pumpkin accountable for this. She was honest with the dispatch and the cop didn't ask any questions. She even admitted that they probably can't trespass him.
@Mackmackeyy8 күн бұрын
"one of those first amendment guys" Aren't you supposed to be one of those Mr. officer.
@RafikisCheeks11 күн бұрын
The "You dropped this" shirt is the perfect icing on the cake for this whole "police stop"
@RelentlessPedigree7 күн бұрын
True. I just wish he took his own health this serious. Poor guy
@TCR202520 күн бұрын
3:23 why does the cop randomly mess with the dude just sitting there?? Wow they have no shame! I would’ve been like “hey get off my bag!!”
@applejohnnyseed950420 күн бұрын
thugs
@d3adlyz3bra20 күн бұрын
He was checking his paperback for alcohol but still just harassing someone sitting in public
@Brett32320 күн бұрын
just a casual violation of the 4th Amendment. the kid is a walking lawsuit. if the sargeant (he isn't) was smart he would severely limit the loser's authority.
@janeysiegrist506120 күн бұрын
I saw that too.
@LivingstonAudits20 күн бұрын
Alex was part of why I was there :) He was right about everything he said.
@dn380120 күн бұрын
When LEOs are ignorant of the laws they enforce they become a danger to law abiding citizens. All that is left is ego.
@christopherwhite164819 күн бұрын
Ego enhanced by low IQ and willfull ignorance.
@DiscoveredTV3 күн бұрын
I love when the cops want to argue right out the gate about what is public property and what is private property. It's obvious he's not on their property. Also, who's uncomfortable...some Karen? LOL
@FlyinRaptorJesus20 күн бұрын
Notice how the cops surround him on all corners instead of just talking to him like a normal person would.. Its incredible cops still act like this.
@SlMORRG19 күн бұрын
They're trained to act like that
@mr4x4s12 күн бұрын
Note to self… “BOYCOTT THE JOLLY PUMPKIN”
@louissilva418012 күн бұрын
I’ve been in business for 43 years. I’d bring them in shitfaced and get free advertisement but this is what happens when you got a society of sheep at least half of us brainwashed and indoctrinated beyond I woke up in third grade. I just so astounded how easy people can be lied to. It’s sad.
@johnathancampbell105612 күн бұрын
@louissilva4180 yeah I watch a few audit channels and when businesses are nice or whatever they get free good advertising and a lot of times they get good reviews on facebook or google when they are asshats they get bad reviews its pretty funny someone would choose to make their business look bad
@calescapee964211 күн бұрын
Sue THE JOLLY PUMPKIN!!!
@happyinparis11 күн бұрын
Yep. I went to their FB page and let them know 1 million people have watched this video! They'll delete my comment but too late. This is huge!
@WatersandWilderness11 күн бұрын
No. That wouldn't be mature. I understand both Jolly Pumpkin and the Auditor. Jolly Pumpkin has a business to run and they have rights as well. While I can appreciate auditors, I wouldn't appreciate being recorded as I eat my lunch or dinner.
@hellshade220 күн бұрын
the concept of "public" escapes some people....
@Crisnav8320 күн бұрын
How do officers not know right off the bat that you can't be trespassed off of a public sidewalk?
@mfhex139818 күн бұрын
They only hire trigger happy idiots and teach them that citizens are a dangerous enemy.
@Shadow__13317 күн бұрын
If he makes you "feel" uncomfortable, then it can be done 😂
@UndeadFleshgod16 күн бұрын
I see those "first amendment guys" as "mystery shoppers" but for the police 😂
@PurringBluzzmuffin16 күн бұрын
I see them as 50 year old virgins.
@madtabby6616 күн бұрын
Pretty much.
@madtabby6616 күн бұрын
@@PurringBluzzmuffin whatever you say officer.
@Tacticalteabag16 күн бұрын
@@PurringBluzzmuffin username checks out.
@ShadowElectricity16 күн бұрын
@purringbluzzmuffin8030 you just love the taste of boots dont you?
@jammasterjay20 күн бұрын
It’s always amazing how FAST these idiots change the “stated facts” and try to alter the narrative.
@thekeeks586 күн бұрын
as “ …but he’s “one of this first amendment guys”..” THIS says it all in terms of the mindset of these younger cops
@jasonmaceyko190218 күн бұрын
A Constitutional right cannot be construed as a crime.
@toxikwastedump16 күн бұрын
Yes they can. There is supreme court precedent and local case laws that all right have reasonable restrictions.
@MichaelToddBurdine19 күн бұрын
I am within driving distance of this business. This video did two things for me. 1. Made me aware of the existence of the Jolly Pumpkin. 2. Gave me a reason to never support their business.
@BradCarlMusic19 күн бұрын
I don’t live there, and I felt the same way for almost the entire video. Then I realized that the manager really didn’t do anything wrong. She was only trying to satisfy the customers to the best of her ability. That’s just business. She told the truth when she called 911. She even questioned the cop as to whether or not the guy could even be trespassed from their establishment when he hasn’t been in it. So, it’s really the police who are completely at fault here, imo.
@Thrasher23519 күн бұрын
@@BradCarlMusicexactly how I felt man. Not like she’s getting paid to enforce and know the law.
@phukyerpheefees19 күн бұрын
The music alone would keep me far, far away from that place.
@brotha_pedat19 күн бұрын
@@BradCarlMusictrying to satisfy the customers in her business? There was a raggedy wretched black guy that was sitting outside talking nonsense, and it appears that no one said anything to him or approached him for anything whatsoever. They were also some very loud belligerent people in the background speaking as the officers were speaking to this person, and no one said anything to them as far as we can tell. So the interest of what customers was this woman trying to protect?
@AsWolfwood19 күн бұрын
How dare a manager stand up for their customers who have voiced displeasure at a First Amendment Frauditor harassing them by continuing to film them after they asked him to stop. Maybe Audit the Police and not the general public who are trying to live their daily lives and have a meal in peace.
@nickissa19 күн бұрын
I love how the cop told the manager hes mediating and has a solution even tho the guy had offered to move down a block before turning over his id.
@lurekayaklrf4 күн бұрын
This is like the first ever audit guy I’ve seen and it has been legit and not cringe. Most of them seem to actively act to make this scenario happen, this guy was legit and not super annoying like the rest of them.
@tiptipzz20 күн бұрын
oh my god he clocked the SHIT out of that officer 🤣🤣🤣 “when did you find out i never went into the property? 🤨” caught him in a liiieee lol
@jack002tuber19 күн бұрын
On his own body camera too. LOL. Ouch
@Se7eNTh1rte3N14 күн бұрын
"Clocked the shit" out of someone implies he hit someone. Wrong choice of words...
@tiptipzz14 күн бұрын
@@Se7eNTh1rte3N that is not what they implies go away bot!
@timkelm73294 күн бұрын
Only if you're an autist who takes everything literally. @@Se7eNTh1rte3N
@Truth_Addict75514 күн бұрын
I work in law enforcement. It's a shame so many policemen don't know basic trespassing laws and enforce feelings instead of the laws.
@ViperPain14113 күн бұрын
Oh they know, they just don’t care. It goes beyond a certain point where knowledge doesn’t matter when their actions are malicious in nature, defeating the whole argument where intelligence is relevant in the first place.
@SignatureServices-uz2df13 күн бұрын
It's not a shame, it's gross incompetent Or indifference. Either way, This cop should be sued and fired.
@buddhaAl12 күн бұрын
It sesems that cops with any critical thinking ability are not hired by bad police departments!
@rigosend8612 күн бұрын
It's very sad. These egos get to them
@GigaBoost12 күн бұрын
You are part of the problem. Shame on you. A traitor to the people.
@TheVeilstrider19 күн бұрын
You failed to mention the officer's unconstitutional search of the man's closed bag at 3:25.
@davet31919 күн бұрын
Yeah, I saw that too. Cops be casually violating everyone's 4th Amendment right in this town apparently
Bro's T-shirt should have clued the Officer that he knew what he was doing and they didnot .😂
@jamesmac916917 күн бұрын
Cops being like “he’s just one of those first amendment guys” is so telling. Like, they don’t care about the law at all 😂
@eunoiaxmusic15 күн бұрын
3:20 the officer ruffling through that poor man’s bag and the man says “yeah back up back up” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@williamwatkins17420 күн бұрын
I work at a 911 dispatch for 20years the government doesn't teach dispatch anything
@deannanace893520 күн бұрын
😵💫....i guess i shouldn't be surprised. It's a shame how there's no one in any position in any Govt agency that watches & monitors people to make sure certain stardards are being met. Nobody strives for excellence anymore. Nobody cares. It's alarming how fast our country has gone downhill. America used to be seen as the best country in the world. We used to hold our heads up high, proud to be Americans. Not anymore. Now we hang our heads in embarassment. What happened? It's sad. Depressing. 😢 😟 🥺 ☹️
@Mark-gg6iy20 күн бұрын
Unsurprising.
@T____W____777720 күн бұрын
My ex was a dispatcher throughout college about 10 years ago. She told me they need a big overhaul and huge windfall of funding. But nobody wants to raise taxes for them, and everyone assumes they’re doing fine when they bring it up. She said that if they got a certain percent of money going towards police and fire and if ambulances had to pay an additional tax that went to dispatch, then they could update the systems, improve training, work on employee retention, etc. But nobody wants to do that, again partly because nobody wants to think there’s any problems with the system.
@deannanace893519 күн бұрын
😵💫 I guess I shouldn't be surprised. America used to be seen as the best country in the world. There used to be standards. People weren't allowed to be in positions that weren't qualified & up to par. It's a shame that there's no one that oversees Govt Agencies & the positions - especially an important position like 911 Dispatch!! That should be monitored to make sure dispatchers get top quality training & the dispatchers that get hired are educated, well trained, & qualified. People used to strive for excellence. We held our heads high - proud to be an American. Proud to be working. Now we hang our heads in shame. Embarassed of our President, police, schools, etc, etc. It's sad. Are there ANY standards anymore? It's as if anything goes & we keep sinking to new lows. It's depressing.
@Mark-gg6iy19 күн бұрын
@@T____W____7777 You can´t have shiny things when one political party's mantra is "less taxes" regardless the efficiency of said government service. In addition, there is willful sabotage by this same party of some government functions. The lack of IRS funding over decades for example.
@Justhunk4 күн бұрын
"I'm trying to mediate between you and him" The mediation: Give me your ID right now, you're trespassed from the public sidewalk!
@wolfofsolace401219 күн бұрын
"We don't want people taking pictures of our customers." Has security cameras on site and invites police with body cams inside. Idiocracy was a documentary.
@h0tel119 күн бұрын
"Idiocracy was a documentary" - so true! If you have not seen the movie, check it out!
@chaschuky99919 күн бұрын
To be fair, they’re two very different types of recording. Security cameras and body cams are ostensibly for your protection and safety, and typically have restrictions on who can access the footage. Some guy on the sidewalk setting up a phone on a tripod and gimbal and pointing it at you is a complete unknown, and is quite unusual. Even if something is legal, that doesn’t mean it’s a good thing to do.
@VantaBlackhole19 күн бұрын
@@chaschuky999 That strictly depends who’s watching & what they’re doing with the footage. Blind trust that they’ll do the right thing isn’t smart.
@Tarvo2719 күн бұрын
@@chaschuky999 While you are correct, that those two are two different types of recording and I do agree, I do think that even if you think it's unusual to set up a tripod on a sidewalk and record the public, it's perfectly fine if it's not against the law. Doesn't matter how weird that is to you.
@chaschuky99919 күн бұрын
@@VantaBlackhole In that case, doesn’t it make total sense for the restaurant to call the cops on the auditor? They were not willing to have blind trust he was doing “an investigation”. They either have to blindly trust he is not being nefarious or do as they did calling proper authorities to investigate.
@elc779519 күн бұрын
3:25 the officer in the background searched the property of the man sitting without probable cause or a warrant.
@davet31919 күн бұрын
Yeah, I noticed that too
@craigsmith118019 күн бұрын
Was just about to write that, a big violation of rights
@benjamindeh87319 күн бұрын
Not sure what constitutes probable cause in that case. It did look a lot like booze, and drinking in public is unlawful across most states.
@charliepearce876719 күн бұрын
I seen that . If he would have complained, he'd be arrested for interference of an investigation . Cop sux !
@fs12719 күн бұрын
@@benjamindeh873 You can write that with a straight face while watching people drink at a pub not 6 feet away?
@Travecmo20 күн бұрын
They (police) have really perfected the art of the blurred line of not knowing laws are and not caring what the law is.
@jack002tuber19 күн бұрын
Because there are no repercussions of their actions. They are never held responsible for what they do
@Kittycatmiaowmiaow4 күн бұрын
We are all being constantly recorded, in public, 24 hours a day via CCTV and inside business premises. So what’s the difference? You’d think basic human rights like this would be an essential part of police training?!
@Lafue1083 күн бұрын
It's different when someone records you to be put on a monetized channel for their profit.