YOU DIDN'T SCOUT?! - Campaign NOOB Mistakes | Warhammer 3

[@UnreasonableOpinions]

The start of every 'save my campaign!' story always seems to be 'so I force-marched blindly with my only army...'

[@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother]

Im the opposite, i rarely march stance because AI WILL 100% attack you every time. Having your army go into battle exhausted and unable to respawn is a huge deal and the AI knows it.

[@CharliMorganMusic]

I don't understand why people use force march. Like, i hate to say "just plan better," but that's usually the best way to play when we don't have perfect Intel.

[@ruukinen]

@@CharliMorganMusic Extra movement? Enticing the AI army to attack you? There are plenty of ways to use march stance.

[@dangerouslycheezy5429]

@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother agreed, always get hit when marching unless marching 2 armies next to each other lol

[@vilxxblack2472]

@@CharliMorganMusic Cant you just reload the save?

[@stewenw4120]

There are even more ways of gathering intelligence. For example: Hovering over the enemy cities public order number to see if an enemy army is stationed in the city/settlement.

[@dfonassau]

each point of "military presence" within the public order equals two units btw... So a military presence of 8 tells you there are about 16 units in this city

[@VenatorStellorum]

That's true if the faction controls 2 of the settlements in the province, the math is 1 point of public order per 1 garrisoned unit divided by the number of settlements the faction owns in the province.

[@FrozzenK]

That seems like cheesing because it sounds like an oversight from CA and not really something that's intended.

[@easytanksgaming3238]

@@dfonassau if in province enemy have 4 settlement, then +5 public order means that they have full army.

[@mmorkinism]

If you already see city itself to check order, wouldn't you see army stationed there too?

[@gregorpearson5409]

I felt personally attacked by that opening. Heroes belong in my army not outside of it

[@georgemorley1029]

I miss the little agent videos from the old historical total war titles. It was always fun guessing if they’d muck their mission up or not.

[@ArjanL1979]

they were pretty funny as well when they failed, like bringing a snake into the room and getting bit himself :D however, the same vids were used for every faction and that would not work in Warhammer, but I agree I would really enjoy it

[@loowick4074]

Favourite is when the ninja got stuck in the crenalations and a guard comes in laughs at him and punts him off the wall.

[@czechmeoutbabe1997]

It actually made the failures nail-bitingly interesting or at least funny instead of just wasting money

[@pierre-mariecaulliez6285]

Also, browsing the dilomacy screen instantly informs you of the number of settlements a faction has, and their power ranking : If a faction only has one settlement left, you can deduce that whatever army they have is parked there, likely a 20 stack if a faction's power rating drops overnight, you can reasonably assume that their biggest army just got wiped out, and now might be a good time to take risks ;7

[@TotalWarriorLegends]

Cann you explain it more detailed? really good tactic!

[@pierre-mariecaulliez6285]

@@TotalWarriorLegends Well, it's diffcult to go into even more detail without sounding condescending... when you select a faction on the diplomacy screen, there's a strength bar that shows how the computer calculates their power relative to yours (the same as when you go in pre-battle); it counts both armies and settlements. So if your green suddenly overtakes their red (even if ally), that means they just lost a major settlement or army. There's also a number that is their overall rank of power compared to eveyone else. at the start of the game, the weakest faction might be rank 147, while at turn 200 it will be rank 33 only by virtue that there are less factions left... Obviously, if THAT number tanks, go for the throat ;7

[@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother]

@@TotalWarriorLegends If you see Grimgor go from strength rank 5 to 150 in 1 turn, it means Grimgor just lost a 20 stack army in a battle and you can now invade his territory safely. Replace Grimgor with ANY faction in the game. Its the same thing.

[@Bishop1664]

I miss the fog of war / scouting mechanics in Medieval 2. Being able to setup watch towers or send out specific spies was great

[@vortex1603]

Spies were cool, watchtowers meh !

[@ruukinen]

Heroes are literally spies though? And also work as movable watchtowers.

[@mmorkinism]

Mages are very good for scouting as you can spam steal research action on enemy cities in meantime. So at least they're not just standing and costing upkeep like other heroes would. Of course mage action also costs but faster research gives you advantage.

[@arthanor9631]

Proper scouting and use of ambushes completely change how the game plays out. No more running after an army that shows up from nowhere. Get 'em right as they step in your territory (to get replenishment over the end turn) and then go yourself rampaging into their land!

[@SavageDragon999]

Oxyotl masterful ambush is so satisfying to trigger.

[@weebmatic]

The intro feels like a roast session. Jeez I’m sorry man I didn’t see what was happening

[@jjput1]

Gotta smarten up boi!

[@samuelevans738]

"You lack intelligence." Never have I been so offended by something I completely agree with!

[@danielgloyd4529]

I've always liked using heroes that have the steal technology ability as scouts. That way, they don't feel like wasted upkeep not being a part of an army. You run the risk of a critical failure, but the boost in research is nice. Especially with a faction like Vampire Counts that have really spamable necromancer heroes. You can easily get your tech rate to 3 or 4 hundred % with little investment, all while providing scouting information.

[@tyromancermirrows]

tip: if you zoom out on the campaign map, you can see a little flag on any settlement that has an army garrisoned (should even work for skaven ruins and through the "fog of war") @ 4:12 you can see an army in prag, plesk and the skaven army in bolgasgrad

[@NewLegacy93]

This feels like a bug that should be fixed, good to know though

[@Jixxor]

@@NewLegacy93 The AI is also cheating, seeing the whole of the map at all times. I call this justice!

[@dangerouslycheezy5429]

yeah i noticed in TWW3 the skaven settlements are not really hidden anymore because it shows their corruption if they occupied a seemingly "empty ruin" that just happens to have skaven corruption lol

[@ccreasman]

This is another reason why I rarely ever raze a settlement. Even if I know I won’t keep it (not easily) or don’t plan on expanding that way soon, having it there gives me an advance notice like a watchtower as to anything coming my way. Alliances can also help with this, though that is more of a benefit of an alliance rather than a good strategy for intel. It certainly won’t help with quick challenges like a newly declared war or finding an enemy army.

[@Cifer77]

I usually keep 1-2 heroes in an army and send them out to scout when needed. Having a hero all by themselves just feels like a huge waste of income. Plus actually doing things with them just sucks out more money. Most factions I've played, several heroes cost as much as an entire 20 stack.

[@lcdcstudios]

the only reason to use heros out of an army is to check for ambushing armies IMO, they are too costly to be used as a scout and their abilities are a waste of money even when specialized to t3. tbh I wish heroes could place down watchtowers like older total war games and just scrap the entire system of spending money on a slight advantage which 90% of the time wont work and if it does just is not worth it

[@bergabuu3481]

Great tipp, really helped but you could've mentioned that you can somewhat also measure if they have or how many armys they have by comparing your power towards theirs.

[@nicovelardita8619]

Joke's on you, INT has been my dump stat since High School

[@Glitch_Online]

"You Lack Intelligence" ... ... yup.

[@noahcrowley2954]

wow that intro sentence really caught me off guard "you lack intelligence!"

[@newnamesameperson397]

I play chaos. How I scout is raise and army, fill it with cannon fodder and send it on its way. I like to think it demoralizes the enemy, they may have beaten an army filled with chaos marauders, chaos spawns, and trolls and lost alot of troops doing it only to see archeon crest a hill with a stack of aspiring warriors

[@Alex-tc4se]

I like to use heroes to setup ambushes. You can see an army coming so you can setup an ambush along the way. If your army is far enough back from the hero, the enemy army can't see you so you can pop into ambush stance

[@Rawkit_Surgeon]

This is why I love witch hunters. Blocking armies to be hunted down and straight up killing heroes is just great.

[@ryanmaris1917]

What you gotta watch out for is armies with underway/worldroot movement. So thats gonna be wood elves, beastmen, dwarves, orcs, and skaven armies can move into unexpected locations, and if you are ever fighting them, I suggest prioritizing getting rid of them (though you can usually wait with wood elves since they most just sit in one spot and raid for awhile).

[@Milenos]

skaven corruption on ruins or in a province is also source of intelligence.

[@honorguard7616]

Better to use the diplo screen's public order tab

[@Grauer1510]

No video without a good old "Oh Scheiße!"

[@crazyshak4827]

I have a video request. Would you be willing to discuss whether Dwarf Trollhammer Torpedoes are worth reexamining on Immortal Empires? I'm relatively new to the game and don't have a great idea on if and how they've changed over time, and most discussion I see on the Trollhammers is quite dated. I'd be curious on your take on if they're useful for settling grudges in Immortal Empires. Thanks!

[@RoflWaffer]

Zerkovich: You lack intelligence! Me: Tell me something I don't know.

[@ed_ELA]

Sometimes, just sometimes I like to say screw it and stroll into skaven country and let it roll!

[@simulacrumdei6462]

I usually send some heros over to other skaven clans while playing skaven myself The clans being this far apart was what made me realize just how useful heros are for gathering information and opening up more chances for diplomancy

[@batcat4136]

I was always scouting with Agents/heroes but I never actually thought about it. Just moved them into enemy territory but didn’t really plan using that intel. Definitely gonna be more active in my scouting now

[@landonrivers]

Need a video on having too big of an army / armies and knowing when to disband to help eco.

[@Rurumeto]

Opens video "You lack intelligence" Cries

[@ASpaceOstrich]

"You lack intelligence" How very dare you. I mean. I *did* just bumrush that settlement, but how dare.

[@alexanderrichards531]

The lord watches over my army, I need not waste time sending spies and cowards forward to sneak about when my army has the power of Sigmar himself behind it!

[@Tuck213]

Before I invade I check the diplomacy tab for faction strength. That way I can guess how many armies an enemy has before I invade. A faction that has among the lowest faction strength usually has its army destroyed recently, so you're free to march blindly into their territory and take their lands!

[@Mark-pn9xy]

And there allies. Nothing worse than finding out they had an alliance with the highest ranked faction after invading. Another tip from prior videos was to before declaring war, check who you can gain favour with the target as a common enemy for those alliance points and potentially avoiding damaging your reliability rating.

[@Bishop1664]

You can also see if the enemy settlement has an army garrisoned by just looking their public order 'military presence' stat always gives it away (wish they would remove this)

[@ASpaceOstrich]

Dedicated scout units would be cool. Either in the form of heroes or a type of army that has reduced upkeep/no supply lines impact but very limited troop options. Hero counts are often fairly low and their xp mechanics really discourage using them for scouting instead of levelling them up. If they earned xp at a constant rate every turn rather than for doing actions/combat I'd be way more inclined to scout with them.

[@arthanor9631]

Heroes like the waywatcher seem made for use on the campaign map, but there are indeed too few of them and, if you want to level them, actions are very costly compared to leveling in battle.

[@emanuelalfred1565]

I’ve found heroes who can assault garrisons can be very useful. Particularly, in the early game when one might have a weaker army and has the opportunity to target a key settlement. They can do a fair amount of damage until your actual army gets there. This makes the siege a lot easier and less casualties occur leading to less time replenishing. I use a mod that increases the strength of garrisons so this strategy comes in handy for minor settlements too since they cannot be taken as easily. The cost of the hero and the action saves the lives of my army, keeping us moving forward. Sometimes, I won’t make a full twenty stack to leave space to embed my heroes when needed. In order to get a boost to research I’ll attack a settlement with my hero in he army and use the hero to steal technology after the battle. This doubles the XP my hero gains in a single turn. I feel actions like this can help a hero be more cost efficient and use all of their abilities vs just the combat abilities. Heroes can be useful for Azazel and N’kari by spreading the gift of Slaanesh as well. Of course defeating an army will do this too, but you can spread it quicker and then use the gifts to your advantage in combat when a fight takes place.

[@ruukinen]

Heroes are what you want. Start using them as such.

[@jokeygame]

''If I can't see it , it dosen't exist.'' -Sun Tzu

[@lewishorsman2219]

I haven’t tried this yet but I’ve been thinking about a wizard doomstack for Gelt. If Gelt has unbreakable will that be enough to stop all the flying wizards from breaking as well or do they all need unbreakable too?

[@mystoYT]

btw guys you can just see the control of a city to see first if an army is in there. that show you some info without having to send your hero

[@sterrenstofEnNatsu]

I never scouted and never will

[@waterzoip]

I just park an overlord on a highground spot next to their natural and it does the trick.

[@Jixxor]

Damn I never think of using agents for non-army use. Very rarely do I use one when there's an area with an unusually high frequency of enemy agents buzzing around. Agents cost upkeep, right? It always feel like a waste of money, but this video showed me how wrong that impression might have been.

[@arthanor9631]

Agents do cost upkeep, but they cost upkeep in your army as well. And they often can move further than your armies (outside forced march). Especially in areas where settlements are more than a turn of normal march away for an army, it is quite worth it to detach heroes to scout before moving your army. By the time your army can besiege the next settlement, the hero will likely be able to rejoin for the battle. And if you have the funds, you might be able to perform an action (kill an agent, block an army you found while scouting) that will result in gaining a level and maybe even a useful trait (a lot of the "hates X" and action specific trait are quite nice).

[@emanuelalfred1565]

If I’m not mistaking, heroes do not lead to trespassing penalties neither. So if you’re trying to build relations with someone, you can send a hero to help aid them on their war front. Use hero actions against their enemy to help boost relations. This prevents you from having to declare war. Where this tactic can be extra handy is if you have defensive alliances or vassals. If the hero targeted faction finally declares war on you, they’ll drag themselves into war with your defensive Alliances and vassals. Declaring war on another faction does not automatically pull your vassal in. This action can also help clear the fog of war and give info on what’s going on in an area you cannot see without leading to trespassing penalties.

[@Jixxor]

@@emanuelalfred1565 That's some big brain moment, thank you for sharing.

[@emanuelalfred1565]

@@Jixxor no problem! Glad to help. Having a few heroes on the map early can also give newer armies a bit of a boost by adding one or more of those leveled up heroes into the newer armies (especially for factions like WOC who can be limited in what units they recruit). They’ll gain levels via hero actions (when outside of your full 20 stack). This can help heroes who tend to be weak at early levels such as wizards until they unlock their better spells. They’ll be able to hold heir own better since they shouldn’t be as squishy. Lastly, keeping a few on the campaign map but near armies can help you quickly replaced a lost unit which could save you valuable time. Thus, I’ve found it more beneficial to only pick campaign maps skills I’ll used the most, then fill out their battle lines vs. putting all of the skills points on their map effects. Of course, you’ll end up with more than enough skill points to max out everything on hero’s but it helps make the earlier levels more efficient for those heroes.

[@TotalWarriorLegends]

@@emanuelalfred1565 could you make a video of your explanation? It really makes sense what you say

[@savory929]

I feel like I really under use my heros. Would be great to see a video about hero actions like assassination

[@Daktangle]

Came here right after getting Ungrim and his army slaughtered by Azhag because I didn't pay attention to where his two armies were.

[@thefinn12345]

What mod allows you to draw on the map like that with the red blue green?

[@mekingtiger9095]

He's probably using the overlay settings to make it colored like that according to ownership or diplomatic relations. I don't know how this is in WH3, but it is an option in WH2 and I use it sometimes.

[@viatka1966]

I remember doing that scouting before, but as I got better at the game I don't ever do this anymore, I guess there are many other ways to not get punished and not wasting a hero on it

[@tablecraft3140]

3:39 ,wait is Zerkovich from Germany?XD

[@brianu2229]

Just a request, but could you do a "Which marked Chaos Warriors is the best" video? I'm playing as WOC and I'm kind of curious which marked would come out on top.

[@minidude112]

If possible no doubt best combined with Intel from diplomacy power line and/ or public order from military presence in province.

[@jamie6091]

Another great video - ty.

[@2guys1cliplol]

After hearing the 1st couple sentences it makes me want to play skarbrand again because screw allies

[@Waishwhw72i19sjx7]

Or at least we would if these GOD DAMN GOATS didnt.. Bro i was crying laughing at that 😂

[@Tauntingwolf]

I normally never scout. Mainly due to the fact that even if I get ambushed, I'll be the one walking away. Been taking a break since champ came out, just waiting out another 8 month gap of nothingness from this game

[@bestanton14]

good info

[@hern7213]

Me no understand. Why can't this game be more accessible?

[@MusMasi]

this gives races that only need a tier 2 or 3 building for hero cap a big advantage yes yes?

[@aopt471]

Playing Dwarfs, I don't scout, I fortify - settlements and armies alike.

[@ze_Steiner]

That’s about right

[@harismeld9411]

Zerkovich said I have no intelligence ; (

[@gusbrowner4089]

i like your funny words magic man

[@mikelhalsey5210]

I never used my heroes before this video

[@lcdcstudios]

I found the secrets of the universe and now legendary with hecleas's mods the game is too easy :(

[@brinaldi81]

Who me??? Naaa never

[@theunfortunategeneral]

I mean i do it - just need to do it more often.

[@saltiney8578]

I wish this game just had agents and heroes instead of them all being both, all my heroes just end up in my armies wish I could hire spies and cultists/priests seperately

[@ruukinen]

Why would you want another class of units that is entirely useless most of the time then? Part of good game design is to have trade offs. You use your heroes as scouts and can't use them in battle.

[@ThatOneREDScout]

I'm sorry, I couldn't! :_:

[@InternetMameluq]

Knowledge is powder.

[@genrihjasper]

"you lack intelligence"

[@MrTudesauce]

Very bad I.N.T.E.L.L.I.G.E.N.C.E. (Integrated Network for Tactical Espionage Linked Lossless Interpretation of Geometric and Electronic Networked Cluster Epitomes.)

[@honorguard7616]

So HG tips of scouting 1. Use the public order (if you see military presence they have a garrisoned army in the province) 2. Skaven Settlements ; Go to diplo screen & check their public order ,it'll show you the settlements 3. Check the diplo screen's balance of power (if it has ANY amount,that means there is a army somewhere)

[@vavan100]

Heroes belong in the army stack. Real gangsta only travels with full stack of his homies. Playing on easy also helps

[@Greenhead24]

Sounds like a good video for me lol

[@Baras70]

warh3 is so much easier than 2, you don'T need to scout anymore xD

[@XxTheMedicxX99]

I just save scum, heroes are too much micro for me

[@MoreImbaThanYou]

I'll never get why I sometimes hear germans words used jokingly in the context of russia or russian themed situations.

[@synth712]

if i did something wrong.. i just load the game

[@Carlos.sanantonio]

Mastery

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

Hahahaha. Oh yes. Heroes are good to scout shit. Best scouts are there the one who can inhibit movement.

[@jesperlauvas3308]

Bad idea, a tiny bit of xp pr turn is better. Keep heroes in the army where they belong

[@synth712]

just use elves trade mechanic

[@arisplugis5197]

why are you playing Chaos Realms campaign? yaikss,... the most horrible product CA have made in this decade.