You DON'T Need a GPU to Game! - 8600G Gaming PC

Today we’re testing the latest and greatest AMD Ryzen APUs to as cheap as possible gaming PC build testing both the 8700G and 8600G to see if they can replace building with a cheap graphics card.
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[@wayde04]

cant believe we've reached a point where 5200mhz is considered slow when just a few years ago 3200mhz was the sweet spot for ram speeds🤣

[@kjvkygouhgiytgiugligvyhfvgyhl]

Im still on 1600mhz.

[@charliesretrocomputing]

I'm on 3200mhz DDR4

[@nonaurbizniz7440]

Depending on the cpu and game 3600mhz is still the sweet spot for performance because going to any higher clocks has increasingly smaller fps gains. Memory speed just isn't as crucial to games as cpu speed. Games love high cpu clocks because thats were all the work is being done. It doesn't matter if the data can be shoveled faster into the cpu via higher clocked ram if it can't process it fast enough.

[@sneakycactus8815]

@@nonaurbizniz7440 some games do prefer higher mem speed like starfield. however, the vast majority of games still do not need major mem speed

[@brentw8365]

RAM speed isn't linear when talking about different generations, since CAS latency increases. Final latency (ns) matters much more.

[@user-uw9ir7fl8l]

another great content presentation , very much appreciated keeping up with the latest and great hardware that you can showcase/demonstrate.

[@MercyVS]

12:26 minute video and only 2 games were tested, sad :( Before they tried more stuff

[@Tegridy_Gaming]

FR, honestly baffled how they've tested 2 games in a "gaming" review

[@davefroman4700]

Ive got the 5700G in my system. its all I need but when the AM5 chips come down in cost in a couple years I will look at one of the newer APU's.

[@tryllejens]

The problem with those new APUs is the price... a 12100f and rx 6600 is cheaper than a 8700G and way outperforms it... I was really excited for these chips, as I was looking forward to building a tiny machine that could play a decent range of games, but they are just way too pricy at the moment...

[@fuzzylumpkins6034]

This, I should have read this before doing a breakdown comment of how a 6650xt / Ryzen 5 3600x is better price and way better performance (by an American country mile)

[@thescoffe]

You completely left out the fact, that for the little extra cost, you get a way more powerful cpu, as in the 8700g absolutely slams the 12100f, future proofing, which one of the main points is that it lands you on the newest platform. Also the apus arent that expensive.

[@clyxos3405]

Way more powerful cpu = future proofing, which is the whole idea for the cpu really in the first place (new gpu in the future)

[@tryllejens]

@@thescoffe But you get way worse performance the moment you buy it... so yes you have to decide, do you want better CPU performance down the road without a need for further CPU upgrades, or do you want way better performance when you first buy the system. Plus, LGA1700 is still the latest intel platform so you have upgradeability there as well. I would personally prefer getting a decently capable system to begin with and then later have to upgrade both the CPU and GPU if needed, rather than having a rather lacking system where you only need a GPU upgrade... I feel like that GPU upgrade is going to feel needed a lot earlier than if you got an RX 6600 to begin with...

[@kubotite9168]

​@@thescoffeyou get two choices buy apu now and experience barely passable gaming experience with the intention of future proofing or buy 12100f+rx6600 right now for miles better gaming perform with no intention of future proofing.... In my opinion, if you jist want to game go for 12100f+6600..just play the games, enjoy the moment forget about all these future proofing

[@randonkbay]

McCallister that jazz flute was fireeee!

[@Just_Call_Me_Tim]

I actually picked up a knock-off A01 case (like an HTPC case if you don't know the name), a B650i mb, and this APU for a little build I'm doing next week. I don't really game on the bigger, more demanding titles anymore, but for the retro games/emulators, and indie pixel art games that have had my interest for a while now, this seems perfect. I can't wait, though, as this is going to be the smallest build I've ever done and the first time I've used a Pico PSU. Thanks for the vid!

[@Mr._Cashbob]

day 8 I was in temu and found PC parts on there heres a list of them: GPU motherboard ram SSDs fans AIO case. I couldn't find a CPU but i would just use something a round the price of the GPU, I would also get accessories for the all temu setup. i would love to see this video come out. you guys are the best

[@itsdeonlol]

This is EPIC! APUs are a game changer!

[@OHCGAMEZ]

my gpu is 1,356% better 💀💀

[@SPdanig]

@@OHCGAMEZCost?

[@nonaurbizniz7440]

Gamers nexus has found a power issue with these cpu in that with extended play at high loads the power draw will suddenly drop to half or less and tank performance. This doesn't seem to be a temperature issue.

[@stdimov2000]

and next Bios update will fix this.

[@chaz-e]

The driver update has been released for the fix

[@GoSuperBullx]

Saw the title and had to see what’s up lol lets goooo

[@ericreid8111]

I actually needed that sponsor advertisement for once. I aint paying full price for windows

[@vexnity460]

you can... obtain it in otherways for free

[@voidcr215]

@@vexnity460how dawg

[@kavishdaya9793]

​@@vexnity460 Please mention how

[@asimplelifewoodworking8318]

Could you do a video on a budget pc, that you can upgrade a newer gpu to for about the same price as the new AMD apu build price?

[@armandoa5468]

I would suggest everyone take a look at Gamer Nexus video he release today in regards to Amd GPU before considering this build.

[@ericyost5287]

what 3v3 apex game mode is that? Looks like arenas but that mode was taken out.

[@centedits_]

that cpu is better than my entire laptop 😢😥

[@fredoir1837]

Same

[@MusicHavenSG]

When 16GB 3Ghz RAM was considered fast for DDR4 RAM which what I was using for like 5 years, now I just doubled both the RAM Speeds and RAM Capacity to 32GB DDR5 at 6GHz.

[@donottouch9110]

Can't wait for the 8700g with 6000mhz ram tests

[@Oozaru85]

Geez, you should really test these builds in more games than just Fortnite and Apex Legends. Just saying. Test it in proper games.

[@nate2929]

You guys should really make a pc video for using vr headsets with pc

[@josephmills9031]

Can you do a video on the 8700g also? Let us know if it is worth 100 more? For the extra 2 core 4 thread and the more powerful gpu.

[@ToastyBros]

watch our review video from yesterday :)

[@MitchellKuykendall]

Just built a 8700G rig today. For less than a Legion Go with slightly more power from the desktop class wattage I’m good with this until I can afford a graphics card.

[@flowergreeeeed]

Good build. Prices are raging rn tho'.... Still, maybe one day but not today...

[@princejohnson4491]

It says they will be released tomorrow

[@ommenerd3793]

Personally, the upgrade path is amazing. It's the main reason to choose these APUs

[@zeidel01]

can you try with fsr/rsr/fluid frames

[@no_name900]

A 12100F/5500 CPU build with an RX 6600 is about the same price with the correct parts. It has worse upgradeability for sure, but it destroys the 8600G in gaming

[@Technocrat.]

Board makers should add a gddr6+ rem slot near cpu to add extended VRAM that APU can access at full gddr6+++ speeds. That is upgradadble to whatvever you need example 16gb.

[@sircartdark]

there would be no point, and it would just be more costly. They would most likely have to solder the modules onto the board to actually get high speeds, like the ones on GPUs.

[@user-ym4bq9ow7t]

If I do an apu build I will do it for being less power hungry. Not because I can upgrade it, coz total system cost is worse. Better save for a nicer system and buy later. But if it is work related, then you gotta do what you gotta do.

[@rod-von]

How do we know who won the latest giveaway?

[@ksdkddko]

do you recommend segotep as a psu brand?

[@ericreid8111]

We should be seeing the newest cod, battlefield 2042, tekken 8, the newest FC game or newest madden, nba2k, a racing game like Forza, and then cyberpunk or horizon forbidden west A full assortment of benchmarks

[@LegionGamingTV]

All these main stream channels focus on games nobody is interested in anymore.

[@Fhjfjdjjdjddj]

I'm building my own pc bc of you guys and I'm only 12

[@evers6214]

These chips will be fantastic in laptops and cheap prebuilts. I can see someone buying a $600 HP machine for basic tasks and as a bonus the kids being able to play modern games no problem. But performance doesn’t quite beat a $60 rx580 8gb (used) so Id recommend that to anyone building a tower on a budget

[@raym7441]

I looks like the link you guys have posted for the RAM are for DDR4. I'm pretty sure AM5 is DDR5 Only. You may want to change that so novice builders don't get confused.

[@jamesyoung151]

I'd use a CPU for a retro gaming build, but then again I have older machines for that.

[@ANONYMOUS_VR-rb7ix]

I want to get this and see how it is with a gt 620 and gtx 970

[@PhonetoysTv]

hi sir im watching since 2019. my build is 3200g b450m 16gb 3200mhz and 450watts psu. what gpu can i go to for upgrade. im only youtube , valorant and csgo.. watching from taiwan. thank u

[@Manatek]

How will it go video editing?

[@masterswords7202]

what about hypr-rx ? they said it should be enabled to beat the the gtx 1650

[@Daddy-.-]

could this still be used as a streaming pc?

[@james64468]

Maybe I should do APU at 1080p 60hz monitor. Just do that for pixel art games.

[@JayzBeerz]

Nice ❤

[@MohammedAmin19981]

what is better a used 6700xt or a new rtx 4060

[@joemorgan8436]

You can ride a Coleman 196cc Gas-Powered Mini Bike but it isn't anything like riding a Motorcycle. Gaming on an APU is akin to riding a mini bike.

[@Nico-yt8vf]

Is there any way i can get in contact with you?

[@lchanceiv]

I am not a gamer, but thinking about buying this for a small media (Plex)server. I think this will work fine. What do y'all think?

[@fredoir1837]

It will work since u just need the cpu and mobo. Goodluck building your pc

[@JezyYT]

Can these not be overclocked?

[@Daddy-.-]

hp victus line up team are watching this like "that's our build, hurry release it."

[@yukiskyhawk101]

The bird is the word xD

[@pagongtertel]

is segotep psu really that reliable ?

[@ragingrat7670]

So what would be better 7800x3d or 8700g for gaming and for the price?

[@josephoverstreet5584]

Obviously the 7800x3d since it’s the best gaming cpu.

[@jacobthanos8171]

Would it be able to run Minecraft shaders

[@cmja09]

but why even go 8600G if we aint gonna use inwin chopin or some asrock deskmini kinda pc

[@inGameweTrusted]

Still using my Apu A8 5600K 4 core 4 threads)

[@beanscornbread1381]

Good option for amateur gamers like myself that rarely play. Hard to justify buying a dedicated GPU when you only play a few times a year

[@edwardwilliams3815]

Borken link for ram, it's showing ddr4 ram, fyi, great vid for those interested in AMD's new APU's/etc...always interested in seeing ddr5 ram prices, click link, get ddr4 lol, seeing as youre pushing a ddr5 platform, I hope you guys fix the link for those interested in this build and components. GG

[@MB-qk2yz]

The apu does not support pcie4 x16 though right? Only x8?

[@LegionGamingTV]

Yeah. The 8700g has the full 4.0x16 but the 8600g only has 4.0x8 which has the same bandwidth as 3.0x16

[@johnhudson7055]

Actually the sad thing about the new APUs is the number of PCIe lanes. When you’re ready for a GPU you’ll need a new CPU as well. But I’m looking forward to getting them to play with. Planning an 8700G build to put in my truck.

[@floydlooney6837]

in your truck? OTR driver?

[@thescoffe]

The 8700g has 20 PCIe 4.0 lanes, enough for a GPU and an SSD. Also b650 boards have support for 36 PCIe 4.0 lanes, meaning anything else you put in will be handled at full speed by the mobo up to 36 lanes worth.

[@LiquidSnake690]

The fastest cards I would pair with a Ryzen 5 8600G is either the RTX 4070 or RX 7800 XT because if you pair it with anything more powerful than that you'll get a pretty noticeable cpu bottleneck.

[@Zombie101]

so the question is, which one is better to go for 8600g for 100 bucks less or the 8700? (for a small build with no room for gpu)

[@zilverman7820]

Just go with 5600x or 5700x then buy a 2nd hand gpu like rx 6600 or 1660 super you'll get better performance for gaming

[@Zombie101]

hi, thanks i should have specified its an itx build with no room for a GPU@@zilverman7820

[@chipwitgaming]

Yeah a

[@Z31irvin]

Would a arous elite b550 motherboard be able to run that?

[@alsimmons1755]

No different platform

[@Reu_ag]

This apu plus ddr5 ram will cost you about $300 which is a terrible deal, when you ryzen 5 5600 plus 5500xt with ddr4 ram will cost less but give you much better performance

[@RiseAndThrive0.1]

im getting a pc since ive found a prebuilt on facebook market place ima meet with the ouner its a 3060 with a ryzen 9 3950 64gb a 750w power supply for 500 im thinking of doing it since im playing on a laptop that cant even play fortnite on double digit fps in the lobby

[@dargonzee9836]

Not bad, but I mean you can just get a 5500 and a RX 580 for like 190-210$ (for where Im at) this is brand new aswell. Yeah new gen and stuff but 5500 still rocks till this day.

[@tommasolenci2840]

These integrated GPUs are interesting for MINI PCs, not for Desktop PCs at least for me

[@Safetytrousers]

You still need to fit a motherboard in a small PC case, and all such cases can fit a better performing GPU in.

[@tommasolenci2840]

@@Safetytrousers Hi, MINI PC are form factor like Apple MAC Mini can't fit discrete GPU inside

[@Safetytrousers]

You would need custom boards made for such a device. Would there be a financial incentive for these to be made for a low powered gaming system?@@tommasolenci2840

[@elumalaim6857]

Why u dont play AAA games on builds like these?

[@graywolf6192]

When does this cpu get released?

[@ben_bennie_nie]

31st of January

[@jordanwilhoit3683]

Crazy how fast APU's developed 👀

[@SubtoChoice]

This aGPU runs better then my GPU

[@mercyrain4445]

what is a APU? I've never heard of it.

[@boradlp1796]

Processor that has both CPU and GPU

[@NoobShiesty]

lol the 8:24 zestiness

[@joel_sxd2093]

it feels illegal to be this early

[@leodraws1214]

1 like 👍🏼 = 1 push-up 💪🏻

[@jds6014]

1 push-up bro

[@ScavengerFX]

The 8600G only has 8 PCIE lanes for a graphics card, so be warned when upgrading.

[@JohnBraman413]

when are they available?

[@rickgeller6043]

Now. Click the link

[@JohnBraman413]

@@rickgeller6043 there is nothing showing to buy them. see no links anywhere to buy them.

[@Safetytrousers]

That link doesn't result in either of these CPUs. @@rickgeller6043

[@PC_GAMING_AND_EMULATION]

I can' find any place selling the 8600g or the 8700g.

[@LCJammer]

cuz its not been released yet.

[@fredoir1837]

Give it a month or two, you will good to go

[@guttom]

uh........ is xmp on? if it is then you should be about to get decent fps. if its in auto...... wtf

[@lmili7097]

That chip has probs..amd is already making a patch

[@PinkyTech]

PCBROS 100 percent smells, you heard it from Matt....

[@dragon2knight]

That ram speed is waaaaay off from what AMD recommends. 6000 is the minimum and 6400 is preferred. Otherwise, nice build.

[@thelocalespada5956]

VR joined the chat. Don't try saying u can get VR to not run on 5 fps with integrated graphics

[@PapaVanTwee5]

"We smell." "We don't smell!" "We stink".

[@user-tw2jq7xs2j]

1060 with 3 gb ram (35 bucks) will fuck 8600g in games from all angles

[@fuzzylumpkins6034]

The mobo and memory required to run these 250-300+ apu make the entire thing a pointless thing. AM4 chipset 450/550 mobo with a 3600/5600 and a 6700xt with 32gb DDR4 mem will easily carry every average gamer over the AM5 chipset and not require average gamers to get the components required to use these apus for so much less performance. These are for someone , more of a novelty but these will not even perform at the 6650xt level or price range. £120+ for the basement mobo £250-330+ for the 8600g/8700g cpu £60+ 16gb DDR5 Before case/psu/ SSD you are already in deep water. These 3 components will build a B450M (Asrock is fire), RX 6650xt, 32gb DDR4, ryzen 5 3600, 1tb NvME, case, 750w psu and leave you with change back and room to upgrade or just carry over the AM5 chipset in 1080p happy as Larry. Thank you for the content.

[@thescoffe]

A mobo, 8600g and 16gb is only ~£350

[@desvousges4230]

Gaming without a gpu would make me sad.

[@sidpablo]

if it is not on par with a GTX 1060 it is not worth it....

[@muklisheffendi]

What if .. add GPU ? 😮

[@AzZulski]

Then it will run better, this video is just for budget gaming purposes

[@celestialbeing4767]

Gaming and coding perfect for me.

[@wolfzz1876]

At this time igpus is not a good deal you can get more powerful pc for 600 dollars have rx 6600 ryzen 5 5500 or ryzen 5 3600

[@fernandocbr]

The 8600G has an integrated GPU, so the video title is a wrong affirmation 😆

[@genofast2947]

Setup for Fortnite Minecraft Roblox ???

[@bp9854]

this is like the same video u posted the other day nah?

[@yunoniko]

I wish i could get a decent pc for 600 im js broke😭😭😭😭

[@maikeru1156]

You can build a decent pc for $600 just not a good prebuilt

[@OhitzBrendon]

Crater just made a 600 dollar one and it was really good❤

[@yunoniko]

U lucky​@@OhitzBrendon

[@OhitzBrendon]

​@yunoniko and it was 600 dollars like you said

[@Ashu-ze6sn]

You can make a good asf pc in 600$ Get 5500 for around 100bucks and 16 gb ddr 4 ram You can probably get 6650xt in 600

[@rssszz7208]

Mother board look like am4 😅

[@jonjon3829]

hynix p31 is much better than solidigm p41, I don't know how solidigm did it, but they made it worse.

[@me-she]

Nooooooo I'm two minutes late 😢😢😢

[@joseaugustoencarnacion5461]

Lol this will cost more then if u just a use gpu 😅

[@gertjan1710]

Its not the Latest and Greatest....Oh it is.