You Might Even Forget It's FWD... - 2020 Honda Civic Type R

While the competition offers hot hatches or sedans with all-wheel traction, Honda decided to go the simpler route by making their 306 HP Type R front wheel drive. But that doesn't make the Type R a torque-steering bucking bronco... Somehow Honda has managed to make this quite simply the best driving FWD vehicle ever made.
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[@StandingUpForBetter]

Very well done! One of the best reviews of the 2020 Type R I have seen. I am in my mid forties and have a family. For my wife and I the short list for a second car included the 2019 Veloster N and the 2019 Type R. We ultimately went with the Type R and we are so happy we did. People who swear by 4wd or rwd just have to drive the Type R to understand what an amazing performer this is. Reliability is a big deal for us because we plan on keeping this car for a while so the fact it did not have a heavy, more complicated 4wd system was a great plus for us. We also LOVE that rear wing and reminds us every time we look at it that we did not pay for a "regular" Civic and the fact that the rear end is so planted at high speeds despite not having the added weight of a rear differential is 100% due to that wing PLUS it is not in the way when looking out the rear window. Again, well done and I hope more people can enjoy the pure driving magic that is the Honda Civic Type R.

[@Pikminiman]

It hadn't occurred to me that the wing's down-force was compensating for the front-heavy weight distribution, but that makes a ton of sense. Simply brilliant engineering.

[@haragan666]

Iam in my mid forties as well with a Family and got a 2021 type r,, no regrets at all...and proud to own an amazing machine

[@SilverScarletSpider]

I love that even with the dozens of other cars Alex sees throughout the year, he still can appreciate the engineering and hatchback practicality of this $36,000 Honda Type R. In the EU they actually have a Type R Sport trim with a smaller rear wing to help boost sales. My big thing is simplicity and efficiency, so I would not be surprised if decades down the line the Honda Civic Type R is still running strong with a fraction of the maintenance cost required for the Subaru WRX STi, Volkswagon Golf, BMW, Audi, and Mercedes hatchback rivals.

[@andrew.woolman7449]

$36,000? It's $37,000 before destination so it's really $38,000. I contacted 4 Honda dealerships near me and they all gave me out the door price quotes on a 2020 Type R of $50,000 to over $50,000. This included their hefty dealer markup, dealer fees, dealer installed options, sales tax, and registration. They also all made it clear to me that they won't reduce their price so forget about negotiating the price down. Such an overpriced vehicle doesn't seem "simple" to me.

[@martinmartin5904]

one can easily save 1000 $ by immediately putting on sale this awful rear spoiler in classified ads

[@setdecinmotion6719]

@@martinmartin5904 In Europe Honda offers a spoiler delete option. However, the rear spoiler is a very functional piece for its much needed rear down force because of the car being a FWD.

[@astarnold]

That sucks my best price was $44,500 with $1,500 in accessories. Didn’t take it because that’s still $2,000 over msrp and I refuse to pay over msrp.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

astarnold There are spreadsheets online of dealerships that don’t mark up. Some forums and reddit posts mention places

[@greatlama]

only Alex can keep us informed AND entertain both at the same time like this. the horn cutout is the perfect example of the fun stuff you keep finding (the choice of music was quite amusing as well)

[@keithsbradley]

Wow. This is one of the most thorough and informed analysis of any car I have ever seen. Fantastic!

[@davidmargaryan3809]

Alex you and Raiti's rides are the BEST

[@cybercityoedo808]

If you buy a 2020 Type R and don't like the Alcantara steering wheel, get a Mugen Sports Steering Wheel... I have that on my 2019 and it is gorgeous and feels great.

[@ragv2310]

I was waiting impatiently for your review on this vehicle! you are awesome. Thank you!

[@stevechen7046]

"impatiently" haha, you're so honest!

[@setdecinmotion6719]

It's no surprise that Honda, with its rich history of motorsport competition, brought a lot of engineering and development to the Type-R. It is one of the only few cars that has been offered in its class at such a high level of performance. "Without racing, there is no Honda"

[@scottstuit9305]

Even my '14 Civic LX has that Honda hood "all the way" opening, which I appreciate.

[@Mouanology]

Awesome review!! One of the most detailed and showed me the most about the car. Thanks for the video!!!

[@3dsmackdown]

I like this guys review, to the point, VERY DETAILED, and all of the above. Awesome review. I really like the Type R now.

[@hectorxie6400]

Very informative video. Thank you so much.

[@rsanchez9865]

Great video, very informative.

[@samronin732]

Great review as always. 👍 How would you compare the ride comfort of the type R to the golf R?

[@CEOLISSS]

I like your taste Alex. First guy who didn’t trash the boy racer looks! I went with the Audi S3 but I also love the type R. Now I want the RS3 and that car is 60k.

[@TasmanianTiger88]

It does have the boy racer looks though, no way around that, don't buy the RS3, buy the TTRS if you want a small RS Audi 😉 All RS Audi cost a lot, but then again it's the very best, I'm currently saving myself for that sweet RS badge.

[@cooleye8887]

LOL WHAT THE HECK ???!!! ITS ALL JUST PURE SUBJECTIVE. THIS TYPE R LOOKS GREAT, LOOKS AGGRESSIVE AND RIGHTULLY SO FOR A TRACK CAR, IT GETS A LOT OF ATTENTION AND THUMBS UP IN REAL WORLD, ITS EFFECTIVE ON TRACK TOO. IN FACT, I ENJOYED WATCHING PEOPLE REACTIONS IN MY REAR DASH CAM EVERYTIME THEY RUBBERNECKING JUST TO GET A BETTER LOOK LOL. WHO CARES ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK ?? JEEESH LOL, DONT WORRY ABOUT THEM, THEYRE EGO IS BIG WITH SMALL TEEEENY WEEEENY CONFIDENCE AND ONLY CARE ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY LOL. THIS WORLD IS FULL OF IT. IN REALITY, MOST TRACK CAR PEOPLE LOVE THE STYLE OF IT, EVEN IN OUR TYPE R GROUP, YOULL BE SURPRISE BECAUSE THERES MORE CAUCASIANS MEMBERS THAN ASIANS MEMBERS IF NOT EQUALLY. LOL. GO WITH WHATEVER YOUR HEART SAY MY FRIENDS AND GET A TYPE R. NEVER EVER GET CARRIED AWAY BY THESE CHILDISH SUBJECTIVE REASONINGS LOL.

[@ChoPi-Eww]

Agree 100% about the shift pattern. It's way too easy to put some cars with weak lockouts into reverse when you intend to get first.

[@JamieToddBand]

I test drove a 2018 today and I was blown away, smiling the whole time. Weird looks, ugly interior, I'm a believer! Huge cargo capacity, even plus-R mode was comfy to me. Amazing grip, like a wild mouse at the amusement park. Drove a new STI right after, and was not as impressed even though it has a nicer interior, and the wing-delete looks amazing.

[@greymark420]

I have one in Sporty Blue 2018 (UK), great car. Sublime handling, gorgeous manual 6 speed gearbox and puts a smile on my face, every time i drive it. Comes with many safety features, which if it had been German would not doubt be extras.I always find it amusing, that the rear spoiler for some looks hideous and yet on Porsche it is apparently fine. Strange that some have this 2nd gear problem, not once in 18 months have i had that issue.

[@cybercityoedo808]

I think those people that claim 2nd gear grinds are trying to shift too quickly and in most cases they don't have the clutch pushed in all the way or they got their timing wrong. Only time my 2019 grinded 4th gear was when I didn't have the clutch in all the way.

[@greymark420]

@@cybercityoedo808 I think your right. Enjoy your time with the Type R.

[@filopride619]

Shifting in the Type R is very sensitive, you have to be careful and have to push the clutch in ALL THE WAY before shifting.

[@pabauza]

Can you turn off the exhaust sound that comes from the speakers?

[@CipherKilledit]

Daaaaamn! Keep it up!

[@naveenthemachine]

Hey Alex. There is no rear parking sensors in the type r because you mentioned that in the beginning where you listed the safety systems Also you put the wrong cargo area and bag score. 19cu ft and 4 bags

[@jimmydaves]

I have 4 Honda Dealers near me that just got in their 2020 Type R's. None of them are selling at MSRP. The first thing they did was add $4000 to the price, even though they advertise the MSRP price. And all of them have the same color Type R - Sonic Gray Pearl.

[@andrew.woolman7449]

I had the same experience Jimmy. I asked for out the door price quotes and they all told me $50,000 or more! They also had the cheek to tell me they ain't negotiating on the price, it's set in stone! Honda dealers are the worst, never wanna give you any solid discount!

[@ALMX5DP]

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[@jimmydaves]

My closest Honda Dealer just emailed me a final price quote of $44,000 including sales tax and about 8 other taxes and fees. There's $4000 worth of options on it that he says he can't do anything about - that it was shipped to him that way. I know this is not true because I was there the day their Type R arrived and I got to see it in their shop where they were adding on these unnecessary options. Yikes. Why do some people get MSRP and others have to deal with the jacked up pricing.???????

[@ALMX5DP]

@@jimmydaves just playing the market I suspect. Many people still dont understand that the internet driven age allows them to shop nationwide at the click of a button. Most like to go in person to a dealer to see a car and dealers in popular areas try to capitalize on that.

[@Slim1986]

Can't wait to see what they do with the new Civic.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Alex, I hope this encourages people to learn to drive #manuals. The people in Swindon, Wiltshire, England who made this Type R will soon be out of a job so I would like to take this opportunity to wish them well in their post- Honda careers.

[@theodorekell]

This is thing is also made in UK... I am out

[@ChoPi-Eww]

I wonder how much of a difference some dynamat in the doors and under the carpet would help with road nose?

[@TheTonytodd]

The Civic Type R is an excellent piece of engineering for front drive. The extra wings and vents are a bit too much for me as I prefer the look of the Golf R. And I appreciate you putting the Kia Soul in for size comparison as I don't see it as an SUV/crossover as many reviewers see it.

[@yar132]

Thank you

[@stevenagy88]

Questionable styling, but great engineering. This actually applies to much of the current Honda lineup.

[@SuicideingGamers]

I actually really like how the car looks

[@stevewise1656]

Actually, mechanics say Honda quality has fallen significantly. Not to mention their reliability is out of the top 10. I used to be a Honda and Acura only type owner, though that changed and I would never buy a Honda.

[@konstantinelikogiannis1945]

@@stevewise1656 ffffď

[@normt5463]

GM Hyperstrut helps with torque steer is standard on Buick Envision. Why no Civic based dual axis strut on the Acura RDX?

[@LeoTheShortGuy]

Sounds fun

[@TheJBpics]

Exemplary review. A lot of info, some distinct opinions, nice graphics, and video clips.

[@aceofspades6667]

During CV19 I was able to pickup a '16 ND1 Sport Miata w/45k miles for $10k OTD.

[@mattkroening7964]

HE SAID IT DANG

[@mhicks31]

If the veloster N was available when I bought my Type R, it would have been a much more difficult choice. The Golf R and WRX were never going to make it for me because they have AWD and were less efficient. I daily my CTR.

[@bennyang8049]

Michael Steele hi. Do you experience the 2nd gear grind or the 4th gear lockout 2017 2018 and 2019 owners complain about?

[@mhicks31]

@@bennyang8049 no. Never had those issues. 23k miles and not one problem.

[@monkeyCmonkeyDoo]

@@bennyang8049 Did you hear Alex grind the 1-2 shift @ 19:25? LOL, they still do it.

[@ryant114]

@@bennyang8049 I've never had the grind issue at all. But I've been only driving manual transmissions for 15 years now. My guess is it's partially user error.

[@atheist4life229]

Same. I feel like the Type R is objectively the better performance car, but the Veloster might have the edge as a daily driver. Biggest complaints in owning mine for 2 years are interior rattles, a bipolar transmission at times, non customizable drive mode settings and the lack of lumbar support for my rapidly aging back. Of course, when you drive it spiritedly, you can forgive it's flaws for the most part.

[@ak4939]

I am shopping, and this is at the top of my list......if this came with Honda's SH-AWD, I would not even be having a debate between this and the Golf-R. The styling (especially the plastic tack-ons in the rear) is a tough pill to swallow, but I will have to get used to blindfolding myself, everytime I need to get something from the rear of the car.

[@InvestBetter.]

If you can get around its.......unique looks, a great car. One of the most fun on the market Definitely one of the best new cars under $40k

[@andrew.woolman7449]

The out the door price including dealer markup, dealer fees, dealer installed options, sales tax, registration etc. will be around 50k or more.

[@hugdeath929]

Alex I too prefer AWD over FWD. If the Golf R were the same size in the rear it would be a no brainer for me. Since the track isn’t my primary focus the refinement and features of the Golf R win out for me. The rear is just so small. I want the see the rear of the Type R up close.

[@ArnoldsKtm]

I want this ASAP

[@hugdeath929]

U said the suspension eliminates torque steer but what about wheel hop? My GTI has nominal torque steer but SIGNIFICANT wheel hop under 75-100% loads. Is this present in the Type R?

[@carnutal3627]

hugdeath929 Quit driving with the pedal to the floor (like me) and problem solved. 😀. I hear you though. GTI old driver

[@vistastructions]

Please keep this title Alex!

[@ulamss5]

it starts off more than the lowest trim Stinger, and comes within spitting distance of the 3.3 V6. Unless you really want a hatch for the looks, i think the stinger's going to have a much more "luxurious" feel.

[@theodorekell]

Stinger actually does not feel luxo. Plus everybody talking about gremlins....rattles Kia comes with

[@93455Driver]

Great review of an awesome car. The minor changes reduce the fake vent issues a bit. Really think the Veloster N with performance pack is a serious cross shop option here. What is difficult to understand is how Hyundai got their exhaust sounding so good, but Honda has really struggled.

[@TassieLorenzo]

Dumping fuel into the exhaust on purpose to make it go pop and bang, is not really acceptable to Honda, lol. Same for the exhaust noise level -- if the stock exhaust flows enough (which it does), that is the priority over making it loud unnecessarily for mere entertainment purposes. :) Same reason why it has rev hang too, instead of snapping the physical throttle shut when you get off the throttle pedal like some European brands that emulate old-fashioned cable throttle behaviour... Honda are making sure that excess fuel is burnt inside the engine to reduce emissions, instead of going bang in the hot exhaust.

[@cooleye8887]

@@TassieLorenzo NICELY PUT BROTHER. THATS WHY I KEPT MY TYPE R STOCK EXHAUST. I AINT IMPRESSED WITH LOUDER ONES

[@jimmydaves]

So I've learned since watching this video that Honda is going to release the Limited Edition (600 in the USA in the Phoenix Yellow color). It seems that it is a more stripped down and lighter Type R that is geared more for track enthusiasts. They are also releasing a Type R Sport which won't have the huge rear wing and will have 19" tires. Also more interior sound deadening and black seats instead of red ones. I love the way this "Sport" version looks - I'd buy it over the regular Type R, But - Honda won't be selling it in the USA

[@beihe665]

Honda mentioned about slight suspension changes to the 2020 CTR. This wasn't covered in the video. Can anyone comment on that?

[@cbwalker8]

They retuned the dampers. The adaptive suspension reacts 10x faster than 2017-2019 model years. Bushings were changed as were the sway bars.

[@edgardoamado7008]

19:27 . Was that gear grinding?

[@smoothflying]

yes

[@skapig1]

Ha! I caught that as well.

[@charyuna]

In Australia Honda sensing was standard on release

[@Goosefraba100]

so nice he said it twice

[@gene978]

LMAO!!! Did you guys see ALEX Point out that now we have Grills to amplify the horn sound. Make the Horn loader? HEY, I DIDN;T SEE a rear center arm rest.

[@mr.tuckers2848]

I just saw a review from a person who bought a Black 2020 a few days ago and he pointed out something I never noticed before; the length of the odometer reset stick which sorely pokes out from the front instrument cluster. Has anyone else ever noticed this before, especially from the current Type R owners?

[@GsrDc]

The reset stick is not a big deal because the steering wheel blocks it from your driving view plus your eyes are on the road.

[@JJ-ls7fq]

Is there a lockout feature to prevent drivers from accidentally shifting into reverse when they meant to shift into sixth gear?

[@mhicks31]

Yes.

[@theodorekell]

you gonna push it in, i believe

[@snakeballs8965]

All Honda six speeds have a lock out that prevents you from shifting from any forward gear into reverse while moving. You would have to remove it or break a shift fork to misshift.

[@ltkwok]

Hand Brake for some extra hooliganism..... haha haha.

[@renaudgiguere7496]

Here in Quebec, with snow from November through April, AWD really is a plus, but i'm torn!

[@cbwalker8]

Tire choice plays a bigger role when comparing FWD and AWD in snow. A FWD car with proper snow tires will perform better than AWD without.

[@martinmartin5904]

Ca pourrait être pire si ce n'était qu'une propulsion

[@cedricverdi9319]

If you drive this car in snow I mean...why? You definetly can. This is not the thing of a TypeR. Do mustang owner drive their car in snow? No ( if yes..then alright but dumb people exist). But people dont talk about that. If people thalk the hell out of FWD it's because they just don't know how to act in a FWD ( I mean if your thing is drag racing then no a FWD is not the greatest thing and as a drive but you should know that). In a positive way I wish you a great day Richard and just like that, roads in Quebec are just not for car not even an AWD. Roads here in Quebec are for monster truck !

[@amitavc]

Just need a car like this.... Without the excessive cabin noise.... and not made by VW.

[@toonsnadeem1m500]

My favourite car is civic type r. it's my dream car

[@tanattecnocraft]

The dealer mark up is ridiculous during this pandemic. Which is surprising during economic downturn.

[@joshuaalan7580]

Honestly, in profile, the wing isn't that bad. It's only when you're looking at it from the rear 3/4 or directly behind that it looks crazy racer ricer nonsense.

[@bird718]

if they had the wing delete option it would sell much better. i think i seen more of the new toyota superas than civic type R's on the road.

[@intelsilver]

Good video, but the editing is odd and leaves a lot of redundancies. Lot of repeated words because of it. But as always, the content is great :)

[@Eric_the_Hiking]

19:26 ouch

[@pilotvanquish3886]

I wonder if he even noticed that grind. Or perhaps he just didn’t feel inclined to make note of it in the video

[@_Mario_PL_]

I'd say it all has to do with that stupid rev hang.

[@bennyang8049]

erlebo this is the normal complaint by all civic type r owners. It is not rev hang. It has something to do with the clutch master cylinder. There are videos from owners buying a modified clutch master cylinder and it eliminated it.

[@_Mario_PL_]

@@bennyang8049 You're right, I've seen that too. I can't imagine paying $40k for a car to grind gears like that. Then have to do mods just to have a normal shifting gear box. That rev hang is ridiculous.

[@andrew.woolman7449]

@@_Mario_PL_ I agree, and the out the door price with dealer markup fees, taxes, options etc. is around 50k or more.

[@KEYVLU]

I really wanna see subaru wrx in your video please!

[@joshuaychung]

I'm not sure if this video is not edited properly, but I feel like Alex is repeating himself a lot - especially at 7:00, 7:40

[@AAutoBuyersGuide]

There is a little blip, but some of it was "intended" but could have been reduced,

[@alex310110]

Also I noticed the tachometer doesn't seem right throughout gear changes at 17:33.

[@lindenblvd25]

waiting for the STI review

[@Jorge_Magallon]

I must be feeling younger because I’m starting to be able to imagine myself in one, but then I remind myself I’m almost 50.

[@mhicks31]

I'm 45 and I have one. Don't worry about what other people think. Just buy one.

[@ryadhasanahmed5443]

Never give a damn what others think what you drive, you drive what you enjoy, the Civic Type R FK8 is my dream daily

[@James-il3tq]

Go for it buddy, just don't wear hat backwards and white sunglasses when driving!

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

So you are actively trying to look like a boomer?

[@RealBearFace]

That's alright, I saw a cool old lady whipping a blue SI coupe when i was doing deliveries and she said she loves it

[@coniccinoc]

I love the idea of a mega Civic but would the base Mustang or Camaro match or better the performance of a type R for about $10k (US) less?

[@cstrx11]

Wow... muscle cars are really chep in the US.

[@mhicks31]

Base models? No. But some other trim levels of those cars will out drag race the type R. But to match the track performance you have to get some of the top trims.

[@theodorekell]

I just checked. You can get GT for $34K. Bullet for $42.5K. And this is one with MSRP 51K

[@theodorekell]

@@mhicks31 Any of the v8 mustangs will have 2sec on the TypeR

[@mhicks31]

@@theodorekell which base models have a V8?

[@garrettreven5144]

When Alex says the Civic will be refreshed "soon", do we know when that'll be? 2021? '22?

[@thisisntsergio1352]

2050

[@SnowbirdSteeze]

2021

[@sploit777]

@@SnowbirdSteeze 2021 has the limited edition tho which is essentially just this one so I would think late 21 or 22

[@CSIG1001]

The type r can get 34mpg on highway if you baby it using mobile 1 full synthetic

[@stephenhendricks103]

OK, OK. It's an awesome vehicle. I get it. I suppose I could buy a Hot Wheels version to sit on my desk until I could become resigned to the styling. But it would take a while. I have to admit, though, that in the matte gray it looks less offensive and boy racer than in other colors. Or perhaps I'm already becoming resigned. I've owned a couple of Hondas over the years including a much loved 1994 Prelude with a VTEC engine that gave me wonderful service and total reliability over a 150K miles. All I ever did was put in fuel, change fluids, and replace tires. It ran exactly as well when I replaced it as when I bought it. In my experience Honda builds great cars, motorcycles, and lawn mowers. I trust the brand. But as far as the Type R vs the Golf R is concerned I'd probably opt for the VW for several reasons, some very personal. I own a GTI and even with an APR Stage I tune that adds about 75 HP and torque it drives beautifully and rapidly and the torque steer is relatively well controlled. I love the size of the Golf, almost a foot shorter than the Type R, that earns me a discount on Washington State ferries for which the Type R isn't eligible. (As I said it's a personal reason others don't share.) And despite the shorter length of the Golf, it has more overall (and more flexible) cargo space than the Type R. The Golf's seating, visibility, and versatility are all major benefits as far as I'm concerned. And in the messy winter weather we experience in the Pacific Northwest, the Golf R's AWD is a major plus. Finally, and this is the most personal of my priorities, the fact that the Type R lacks rear seat HVAC vents is a near deal breaker for me. Or more accurately for my large dog whose second home is the back seat of my VW. I"m willing to concede that the Type R is a rare and awesome vehicle undoubtedly destined to be a classic. But the Golf R has already earned that status. Either is a fine choice.

[@mickc7939]

Bro! put your hand on the fender vent and you’ll feel heat being released from engine bay 👋 they don’t release pressure they release heat 👋

[@alecpham2163]

I heard a second gear crunch...

[@Marco-ce8kr]

If Honda set a 4wd system in this one, its weight should move around the range of weight of VW Golf R and WRX. So I wonder, how well the Type R will compete with them.

[@ALMX5DP]

CTR takes down both those cars regularly on autocross courses. So it seems to do just fine on tighter types of environments, without the need for extra mass of an all wheel drive system.

[@cybercityoedo808]

@@ALMX5DP I used to have a 17 STI and my Type R is better at everything except launching and unbreakable traction on imperfect surfaces. The Type R understeers less than my STI did, feels more agile and definitely faster from a roll. Type R is also more stable at high speeds than my STI was. I just have to be mindful when the road has spots off gravel or dirt from rain storms but other than that the Type R is just better. With its lower weight I can just make the Type R dance on a backroad in a way that my STI could not.

[@calebg.9662]

"This is the car will make you feel like a super hero on the road" Cop: Hold my doughnut.

[@cooleye8887]

Lol Cop: hold my donut and hold on tight coz we'll lose control and crash HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@theodorekell]

from cars.com -- NEW 2020 Ford Mustang GT MSRP $40,720 -- Dealer Price $34,555

[@2391jessie]

19:26 Gear Grind

[@BCNeil]

dealer mark up????

[@thisisntsergio1352]

Demand is high so prices go up.

[@nova12332]

i like to think this is a competitor to the Sti, not Wrx

[@3shotzz1]

I wouldn’t say 300hp is even close to being insane in a fwd. only starts getting scary at 600hp plus in a civic eg bubble hatch that weighs under 2k pounds😂

[@cooleye8887]

LOL VERY TRUE MY FRIEND

[@charlottetownspud7903]

I am 43 and bought a 2018 ctr last year. I love it. I have had Civic Si, acura rsx type s , lots of Honda Performance cars. By the time the R was offered i was 40 but it was kind of a bucket list sort of thing to own one. Year and a half later however i am getting a little tired of kids taunting me to race and even guys my age in mini vans lining up next to me lol. Its getting old fast, as am i. So i am currently trying to get some one to take over my lease but also trying to still enjoy the car.

[@cooleye8887]

LOL DO YOU REALIZE THAT A LOT OF TYPE R OWNERS ARE 40 YR OLD AND HIGHER ?? THEY'RE PROUD AND LOVE THEIR TYPE R AND PLAN TO KEEPS IT INCLUDING ME (53 YR OLD). IF YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE OTHER KIDS TRYIN TO RACE YOU THEN BY ALL MEANS GET RID OF IT COZ YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT A REAL HONDA FAN ANYMORE BUT A LIKE A SCARED LITTLE BOY THAT WORRY ABOUT WHAT THEYRE PLAYMATES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD SAY ABOUT THEIR TOYS LOL... DONT YOU THINK SO ??? WHO CARES MAN, JUST KEEP IT AND ENJOY IT, YOU BOUGHT IT FOR YOURSELF AND NOT FOR THEM RIGHT ??? ANYWAYS JUST MY 2 CENTS SO GO AHEAD AND SELL IT AND DO WHATEVER YOU WANT MAN, ITS YOUR CAR AND YOURE ALREADY GROWN UP RIGHT? 😐😉

[@jeffwarren1547]

40 grand and STILL no heated seats? Unacceptable. Otherwise, a sweet machine.

[@mhicks31]

The seats are cloth and heating is not needed. If heated seats are a make or break item for you then this isn't a car for you. Its a performance car, not a luxury car.

[@ryadhasanahmed5443]

@@mhicks31 well said👌

[@elementarytechie6449]

@@mhicks31 true but i love meh heated seets

[@andrew.woolman7449]

Honda dealerships told me out the door price is 50 grand after all the mark up and installed options.

[@anthony5786]

My 2019 Si has heated cloth seats. They come standard.

[@genetung8590]

I like my R. You don't have to worry about it......know what I mean?

[@ruelsebulino3527]

,,,i like ds car,,,but i have n money to buy dssss,,,,sana all mayaman!!!

[@normt5463]

Focus RS!

[@GsrDc]

It was killed off by Ford for some reason.

[@Unchainedmaple888]

Don't shoot me when I say an automatic Type R would be nice. Something like the new 8 speed wet DCT Veloster N.

[@lmaostefan]

I agree, if it was an automatic i would consider it, i"m not about to drive manual every day for the next 5-10 years just cause im getting a semi performance car. Plus a DCT would get better mileage and acceleration than manual... dont know what they were thinking... probably saving it for the next gen

[@Unchainedmaple888]

@@lmaostefan Yup, agree with all those points. Plus I already find rowing your own gears using manual mode on an automatic transmission is already enough fun. Anyways, next gen Civic is coming soon and then probably a new type r in 2 or 3 years after that.

[@raiden000]

15:55 keep your hands clean and you will never have a problem, eat food in your car then touch the wheel without washing them and it wont last more than a few years.

[@angfam7729]

FWD + LSD might be great on a nice dry day, but I live somewhere that gets plenty of rain. Flooring it while pulling out of a side street into flowing traffic on a wet road is not a problem in my Subaru Legacy GT. I can't say the same thing about my wife's Golf GTi.

[@ALMX5DP]

Why are you pulling out into traffic in such a manner? FWD has it's advantages and disadvantages, but one of those is not fixing bad driving habits.

[@angfam7729]

@@ALMX5DPBased on your logic, a Type R shouldn't be taken around a corner any faster than a Corolla!

[@ALMX5DP]

Angfam all I said was you have bad judgment when driving. No logic necessary to convey that.

[@angfam7729]

@@ALMX5DP Wow, so now you even claim to know what my judgement is like. I know exactly how good my judgement is at determining whether or not I should pull into a gap. All I was saying is that having 4wd allows you to accelerate faster than fwd on a wet road. You don't need a degree in physics to realize that! Therefore you can "safely" pull out into a gap that wouldn't necessarily be considered safe in a fwd car. Now if you think that having power and 4wd traction shouldn't be taken advantage of, even when there are no risks involved, then stick with your Corolla.

[@lamesamelame]

Honda USA left money on the table by Not offering the Sport Line. Older Adults have money and are more financially stable. These older adults would have bought one Sport Line. Also, the dealership markups are hurting sales figures.

[@ltkwok]

Hey - don’t bad mouth the Miata.

[@future62]

11th gen Civic is due... hopefully they clean up the looks, move and detune all the Type-R goodies (2.0T, "revo" knuckle, same LSD) to the Si and make the Type-R AWD. K series motor has been a monster for 20 years... all it needs is a chassis to fully exploit it.

[@Ndiver81]

Now if it only had awd for winter driving.

[@cybercityoedo808]

I used to drive a 300zx with summer tires through the Winter.. I will be just fine with the Type R. I just won't drive if it is super bad out.

[@majorcalvary6515]

Honda is getting my attention. Although I will always wishing for a BNW, but I am no royalty or with surname like Rothschild, DuPont, or Rockefeller. Honda makes average mans sports car. The current Civic Coupe is a fine looking car at any price.

[@theodorekell]

"Just under 37,000....". This is where I say, "Hello Mustang V-8"

[@aliendroneservices6621]

Missing hatchback practicality and 4-door practicality and 4-cylinder fuel-economy.

[@theodorekell]

@@aliendroneservices6621 Friend, all I care is speed, power, RWD welcome. I don't need passengers. And least of my worries if fuel economy. We have 3000 tanks, million of trucks, jet fighters... and all of these are not very efficient. Why would I care? But Mustang will shred 5.2 sec this car does

[@theodorekell]

@@aliendroneservices6621 Hey, and BTW, Alex fun driving resulted in 18MPG.... I don't see the point

[@Mean_Bean279]

Alien Drone Services as a former owner of an Evo X I can assure you high boost and general 4cyl turbos are really not fuel efficient. When you aren’t in boost the smaller displacement is obviously beneficial, but you’re almost always in boost

[@dailyrant4068]

The typical worthless debates between theodorekell and Alien Drones Service... who cares? You clearly have different priorities in mind. There is no right or wrong in this when you come from completely different angles.

[@RaY_77W]

I always wondered why North America got 306 horsepower while the rest of the world got 320

[@UltimateCARNUT]

there is still mark ups on these things? LOL

[@BCNeil]

no there isn't.........even before covid

[@braetonwilson4296]

@@BCNeil Yes there definitely are dealer markups, I know because I asked.

[@cbwalker8]

All depends on where you live. I know it’s still normal here in So Cal to see markups.

[@MrGunzngirlz]

My local dealer has always sold them at msrp.

[@darienwalker7635]

Especially on the boost blue. Every boost blue I've found is at least $42,000 some dealers are charging $48,000 which is insane! Some buyers have been able to get them at MSRP. U just gotta get lucky. If I can't get a boost blue I'm going with red!

[@user-vu3uy7np9y]

🥇👍

[@viki6or]

They should have put at least the acura paws in this

[@ALMX5DP]

This CTR routinely takes down Focus RS's on autocross courses across the country. Doesnt seem like it needs extra mass to power the rear wheels when it does as well as it does.

[@dominicfong6341]

This one comes in the same color as my basin, toilet bowl, and bath tub...good job Honda.

[@GsrDc]

Yes. So you can be home away from home sweet home.

[@catsarereallycool]

No way I'm paying MSRP.

[@theodorekell]

Yea, Alex, but AWD should push you better at the start. Now, for this money, I'll go with v8 Mustang

[@mhicks31]

This car isn't meant to be a drag racer. The AWD is not needed at all. If you want a drag car the mustang is a good choice.

[@theodorekell]

@@mhicks31 I don't care about any racing. I only like to hit the curves and lights/stops on our local roads. My friend has Mustang v8 MT, which I drove few times. This is so much fun. I don't understand why pay $37K+dealer up-charge for FWD turbo 4-banger, if for way less I can get v8 mustang. Bullet right now is $43K

[@cbwalker8]

theodorekell You either get it or you don’t. Each there own and that’s what makes options great! That mustang is not built the same and won’t be worth near what the type R will be in 5 years. If you plan on autocrossing or doing casual track days the type r will eat it for lunch. If you want to race people at street lights then the mustang is the car for you.

[@cooleye8887]

@@cbwalker8 EXACTLY MY FRIEND. ITS SOOOO FUNNY PEOPLE WHO CLAIMED LOVE SPORTS CARS AND YET ONLY CARE ABOUT STOP LIGHT RACE HAHAHAHA 😂😁😅

[@dougmaverick3287]

At similar speeds the Golf R will understeer way more than the Type R.

[@curtisbull1583]

Neat car, very cool looking car. IMO it's a shame there is not an automatic option, like the 10 speed used in the accord. I would have bought one last year if they had automatic option. If they do add an auto at some point I sure hope it's not the unreliable zf9 speed or a cvt.

[@robertshetsen8691]

Learn to drive stick

[@curtisbull1583]

@@robertshetsen8691 I have, leaned to drive with a stick shift. Grew up and currently live on my 270 acre farm, driving stick is no problem. I just Don't like to driving them and autos are always faster in the 1/4 mile.

[@doug2445]

Makes me wonder how the Honda 10 speed auto would be in the TYPE-R, I've owed 97 and 2000 ITR's the most balance car's you will ever drive. I am considering one but i'm waiting for the 2021 Golf R just because of the automatic.

[@GsrDc]

Automatic?? Blasphemy coming from a type R owner.