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4 жыл бұрын

To be a winner at poker you must make this play and lose. Bart Hanson covers a hand that he played demonstrating this one concept that you MUST do in order to win at No-Limit Holdem.
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@androSS.
@androSS. 4 жыл бұрын
I’ll usually watch your videos on mute the first time around and play the hand with the description available. I “value owned” myself and it felt great. Lol. Thanks for your content, Bart. 🙏🏽
@zoltancanji1148
@zoltancanji1148 4 жыл бұрын
Thats very intersting technique :D
@TitusObbayi
@TitusObbayi 3 жыл бұрын
I think I'm gonna start doing this
@TheBarkanMethodofHotYoga
@TheBarkanMethodofHotYoga 2 жыл бұрын
This was a great lesson!! Yesterday I missed value on a hand when I checked the river….and had the best of it…. Thanks for taking me to school again Bart!!!
@marksimpson2321
@marksimpson2321 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent upload. Top quality advice as ever from Bart! Thanks for the continuing input to the poker community! Stay safe and happy!
@patleaf2432
@patleaf2432 2 жыл бұрын
Ive been playing live low stakes for 20 years. 2-5 is as high as i go, sometimes theres a straddle. figure 1k buy in is my max, Ive known exactly this concept for a long time but ive never heard it put so well. It is a subconscious perception of low stakes players that river bets are polarized. EXACTLY. So good.
@jacobleblanc27
@jacobleblanc27 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic analysis! You're really getting me to reexamine some of my thought processes in poker
@DaDa-kf4vp
@DaDa-kf4vp 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, makes complete sense. Long term winnings over short term losses
@Christian-hi6wv
@Christian-hi6wv 4 жыл бұрын
Only seen a few of your posts and have to say this one was the best and most informative. I totally agree with you
@novapokerplayer207
@novapokerplayer207 4 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent video, and your point is especially true even more so when that third flush card hits on the river. Few things seem to scare the hell out of most decent regular but not professional level players than the possibility that the front door flush just came in on the river.
@JonyBetancourt
@JonyBetancourt 4 жыл бұрын
I knew this was going to be about value-owning. Love it- amazing content Bart!
@sixtydollarpoker7984
@sixtydollarpoker7984 4 жыл бұрын
Wes Cutshall would have lost his car, house and dog if he played this hand.
@415bayshark
@415bayshark 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed! That was one of my huge leaks.
@Brandon-ym8zi
@Brandon-ym8zi 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Bart!! Big topic in poker that is often over looked.
@kcc-karenschroniccorner9432
@kcc-karenschroniccorner9432 Жыл бұрын
Probably one of the best videos you’ve done. It’s definitely something I need to learn to do far better. I think it’s one of those strategies that is the difference between winning and not losing.
@capt.underpairs1167
@capt.underpairs1167 3 жыл бұрын
Love your content Bart!
@williamwallace3848
@williamwallace3848 3 жыл бұрын
Two streets of value with top pair only hands is so often advocated but its a huge leak in live 5-5 and below games. In limit, thin value bets separate winning players from losing players. In NLH, I think Bart is right in pointing out it makes the difference between big and small winners. River bets tend to be the largest in terms of sizing as the pot swells, so its on this street that your edge is multiplied by the largest volume, which means a lots of money. Bart bet $285 into a $375 pot on the river. If his estimate that he wins only 65% of time here, he is still netting a whopping $85.50 per bet overtime. The beauty is that you can almost always bet-fold to a raise here as villain is almost never bluffing, so you are never moving yourself off the best hand here. Villain is more likely to bet his bluffs and made hands here on the river.
@joemoon5227
@joemoon5227 2 жыл бұрын
Bart, I would have bet more on the turn and probably still lost after going all in on the river. Outstanding information indeed. We cannot play results. Keep the informative videos coming! Thank you Bart!
@mastyer0fReality
@mastyer0fReality 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. When I first realized this about value.. was watching tonkaa on the river with a set or something on a nasty board and he said: "this is where... we bet half pot.. and dont get shoved on." The light went on in my head like it's okay to fire a value bet if you're uncertain about the strength of your hand as long as u can imagine some hands that you beat calling... it's ok. Checking is just not gonna cut it in that spot.
@bobsmith3197
@bobsmith3197 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the videos. So good
@spidgeb3292
@spidgeb3292 3 жыл бұрын
Great analysis. Thanks!
@colincoyne7199
@colincoyne7199 Жыл бұрын
Understanding that this video is 3yo, I still needed to comment. This advice is GREAT. Definitely saving this video and making sure I do more value betting. I know as played he doesn’t have A4 (or any 4) but normally would STILL check the river knowing I’m “probably good.” Left a lot of money on the table watching this and can’t wait to be more profitable in the future
@Welux
@Welux 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome content! Keep going! ;)
@ooogyman
@ooogyman 3 жыл бұрын
So would you make the same bet if there were a second caller? I find I'm having trouble at tables betting overpairs into multiple calling stations where their rags end up become 2-pair+ by the river.
@yeayea4072
@yeayea4072 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Bart just wanted to say that I’m loving the content. Also, sorry for busting you last summer at the WSOP. I’m a dealer and you got coolered straight over set in a $1,500 (I think) buy in. Keep grinding!
@stevehammond2016
@stevehammond2016 3 жыл бұрын
Just saying huh .
@iamamish
@iamamish 3 жыл бұрын
"When you value bet you need to have the worst hand some of the time." That reminds me of a saying in Econ - "If you're never late to the bus, you get there too early."
@mataspacevicius8254
@mataspacevicius8254 4 жыл бұрын
This concept is exactly what I refered to in a comment on a previous vid where dude in chat said its terrible to lead river with 3d4d on a Qs2h5c 2c 6c river. If you never bet a losing hand on the river, you're not likely to have a significant winrate, if any.
@mastyer0fReality
@mastyer0fReality 4 жыл бұрын
I've been experimenting in spots like. Very interesting results.
@EfficientRVer
@EfficientRVer 2 жыл бұрын
In general, I agree. Especially against strangers. But I'd also warn someone to be very aware of their own table image (especially versus frequent opponents) before making any sudden and complete change in how they play this river, for two reasons. One reason is to exploit the people aware of how you used to play. You want to keep them thinking you will always check behind in this situation, for months on end after you've mostly changed. The other reason is to protect your ability to bluff rivers, by not suddenly and noticeably better way more rivers, much less in a predictable way. If your existing image for years where you're a regular, is that calling your typical river bet is usually significantly -EV for the caller, you'd like to preserve that image. There were points in time where basically no other regular was willing to call my river bet without a rather nutted hand. While that was a sign of a leak in my game regarding thin value, it was mostly made up for by being able to steal almost any pot I wanted to, if I didn't do it often enough to trigger someone into looking me up. It felt like having a small stack of table-image savings bonds from each regular opponent tucked away, that I could cash almost any time I wanted to. Each and every one of them over the years had made calls like that several times with two pair or a small set, asking "Got the straight?" and heard either "yep" or my favorite answer, "no, just a set". So they would switch from calling 90% of the time, to 20%, or even never. At which time, I could print money by bluffing or when I was incorrect in thinking I was ahead when value betting.
@willgathers9555
@willgathers9555 4 жыл бұрын
Bart, any idea when any of the Texas clubs are re opening?
@pg3995
@pg3995 3 жыл бұрын
If the scenario was changed in that he bet into you on the turn and river, would you just call? Or when would you throw in a raise?
@sawyerw5715
@sawyerw5715 Жыл бұрын
If he raises all in are you folding? How often can he get a bluff through with a one card straight on the board? How does that affect percentages of thin value? Clearly, depending on stack depth, that final value bet does add complexity when potentially facing reraise for bluff or value.
@Haanski
@Haanski 4 жыл бұрын
agree with this completely. if you are never value betting in position and getting called by a better hand.... you are probably not a winning player long term. it is just impossible when you are missing out on all those 65-99% spots and getting no value ever from them. very good video, and the hand was played perfect imo.
@Haanski
@Haanski 4 жыл бұрын
now if the river was say the 6 of clubs and he checked to us... I think a check back might be warranted here some of the time for sure. While watching the hand I kind of thought villains most likely hand was a flush draw (besides the obvious KQ or QJ which is also in his range). But on this river when checked to, it is a slam dunk value bet imo almost 100% of the time too.
@edb7742
@edb7742 4 жыл бұрын
So, please excuse the beginner question, but is the idea that betting for value on the river in this situation, i.e., at these stakes, players, etc., is the correct play because it is much more likely that the Villain holds an inferior hand and will call, such as one of the many KQ, JQ, 10Q, AQ combinations, than a better hand than AA?
@Zerotewhero
@Zerotewhero 4 жыл бұрын
It’s pretty situational, but I think what he’s trying to say is that there is so many combos of Qx in his range and how weak he played the hand it’s mostly likely going to be Qx or one pair hands that want to call down. A flush draw makes sense to me as well because in lower limits I feel like most players will raise with a Q idk just my 2 cents
@mikeob6325
@mikeob6325 4 жыл бұрын
Great...food for thought...what do you do with a big check raise on river?
@llgg1668
@llgg1668 3 жыл бұрын
He said at that level people don’t bluff a lot so it’s probably a fold even though it can’t even be a big raise(stack size)
@jfcustomfab
@jfcustomfab 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone needs to send Bart $100... that was a couple thousand dollars of info right there .. I kinda wish he didn’t give this one away !! Where do I send my money
@TheGuyCalledX
@TheGuyCalledX 3 жыл бұрын
Subscribe to his training site haha, thousands of dollars of knowledge on there
@skoradia
@skoradia 4 жыл бұрын
Evidently it makes sense to take the same linewith KK. Assuming youd get called by worse queens, would you take the same line with AQ and KQ?
@spidgeb3292
@spidgeb3292 3 жыл бұрын
I'm definitely not good enough to make that move with KQ. I'd probably hope for a cheap showdown.
@ballerlarva4214
@ballerlarva4214 4 жыл бұрын
I recently made exactly this adjustment and it's a huge difference. Went through a 110k hand database where I was 2BB/100. Since then I have 60k hands played with 8BB/100 so far, this was the primary thing I realized. People simply never check-raise rivers as a bluff, at least not at the low stakes (I'm playing 50NL online). I'm looking through my hands and you just realize, when I got check-raised on the river villain had a monster 100% of the time. I laugh now thinking to myself, ''oh no, musn't bet the river here with TP/overpair, It's too dangerous vs the balanced river check-raise bluff frequency that he of course has (lol)''. Just always value bet if there are obvious worse hands he can call with, you're not actually risking any equity at all since you will never be forced off your hand by a bluff, if you get raised he has it 100% of the time. The worst that ever happens is you get called by a surprisingly strong hand and lose, but it's 100% worth it especially when you factor in all the random times someone just convinces themselves you are bluffing and calls with a hand below the range your bet was targeting. I suppose there's a level where people begin to understand that in those situations it would be better to raise than call with like 99 here, but wherever that is, it's not 50NL.
@emoemoleb
@emoemoleb 4 жыл бұрын
just ytd I got check raised river by a bluff after I runner runner the top 2 dubs. it was a flush board and I made the call..
@CanadianLoveKnot
@CanadianLoveKnot 4 жыл бұрын
This concept is even more important in tournaments
@emoemoleb
@emoemoleb 4 жыл бұрын
would you still bet if you and villian both have much deeper stack? opening to a reraise since villian has more 4s and 2 pairs in his range ?
@SeanBenson23
@SeanBenson23 3 жыл бұрын
Great question
@connman8d617
@connman8d617 4 жыл бұрын
This video is fantastic. I used to check back way too much but I've found that if you have some basic hand reading skills you can get thin value quite often. Not much feels better than getting that 2nd street of value with JJ on a board with 2 overs.
@patrick_kyker
@patrick_kyker 4 жыл бұрын
It's just so hard to value bet a set on a str8 or flush runout.
@DexterPlastic419
@DexterPlastic419 2 жыл бұрын
If we where to play the villain I think the two pair needs to three bet river for value targeting AA KK AQ and KQ. Would that be correct?? Thoughts anyone?
@crazydonkey110
@crazydonkey110 4 жыл бұрын
im not sure if i like the bet sizing on the river...are you really going to fold for $140 more if he shoves? Is he ever going to bluff for $140 more or raise with just a Q? I don't think so, stack sizes are a bit awkward here but wouldn't an all in slight over bet be better? He's still going to call with a Q and now we're even more polarized and look much more bluffy.
@keithmorreale1243
@keithmorreale1243 2 жыл бұрын
Yes i thought he was going to take a 125 sizing here im not sure i agree with an over 60% sizing. Going small or going all in is better.
@doubleaalanderson4571
@doubleaalanderson4571 3 жыл бұрын
Thoughts on $25 pre(75), $45 flop(165), $125 turn(415), $150 river? I feel like when you bet the river that hard you're decreasing the chances that you get called by something you can beat?
@Frank-ue6eg
@Frank-ue6eg 4 жыл бұрын
I'm kind of guessing this is the type of guy Rachel Lee was referring to in her Death of Poker essay.
@stephenwatson584
@stephenwatson584 4 жыл бұрын
Do you have a link/ site to the Death of Poker Essay? I Made an attempt to find it but had no success. Thank You.
@justinusberger3933
@justinusberger3933 4 жыл бұрын
@@John-dw8rz I never knew DN was such a little bitch.
@qtapia9101
@qtapia9101 4 жыл бұрын
what you would have done if he would have raise to your river bet ?? will you fold or put all in ???
@sklee318
@sklee318 3 жыл бұрын
What if I put him on 56cc? Do I still value own myself? This was definitely played at Commerce Casino.
@spidgeb3292
@spidgeb3292 3 жыл бұрын
I'm just not that good.
@RealFactsForYou24
@RealFactsForYou24 3 жыл бұрын
How do you specifically put him on 56 of clubs? If you are a mind reader, then no. But since you are a human you realize there are a lot of other hands he can have here as Bart said like all the combos of KQ, QJ and QT.
@TheGambitBandit
@TheGambitBandit 11 ай бұрын
It's not a thin value bet to bet an overpair on the river when the front door flush misses. It's a completely standard value bet; even AQ is betting for value on three streets on that runout.
@sammerritt8
@sammerritt8 3 жыл бұрын
Is this a live game? Or online?
@JNailon
@JNailon 3 жыл бұрын
I may have heard the phrase here “it wasn’t a mistake if you would have played the hand the same way face-up”.
@compteofficiel4112
@compteofficiel4112 4 жыл бұрын
well that was intense! but i think that the sizing discussion would be much more important...for example why not just value bet lower with more marginal hands, that kind of thing?
@digbymooney5435
@digbymooney5435 2 жыл бұрын
I was also thinking about this. It might just be because he was convinced the villain had the hands Bart was talking about (AQ, KQ, etc.) so he felt more comfortable getting calls out of these hands even at a bigger sizing.
@lrnz11
@lrnz11 3 жыл бұрын
"And of course I cover everyone"
@Th3Freek
@Th3Freek 3 жыл бұрын
@Piotr Dembowy question, Mr. 23x bracelet winner: Why would you not want to cover everyone at an inferior table? I eagerly await your wisdom-filled response…
@andrewmartin7697
@andrewmartin7697 2 жыл бұрын
I caught that too. A little smug
@gregmajewski3406
@gregmajewski3406 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewmartin7697 He said he was waiting for a bigger table to open up, hence the "of course.." I think you're assuming the buy-in was capped low and he's just bragging..
@lech.dutkiewicz
@lech.dutkiewicz 3 жыл бұрын
Great analysis, but to be honest, I think the flop sizing was a big mistake. Looking at stack sizes, the half pot sizing makes it so much more difficult to get their whole stack when they have Qx. With two limpers Q high flop hits their range really well. I guess you might get called for 1-2 streets by some middle pocket pairs, that they might have limped with. You probably get 3 streets from most of their Qx. If you make it like 60, you get more value from all pocket pairs and 7x, which may c/c flop and c/f turn. You also make it a 195$ pot on the turn, which allows you to bet around 150$. So it's about 12 BBs more value from hands that will only c/c twice. They may play their 76, 66, 44, clubs, and all Qx for just two streets (depending on how much of a station they are). Then, on the river, the pot would be around 500$ with you having 365$. So it wouldn't require to make a pot-sized bet on the river and would make them more committed with their Qx to call you down. I think the flop bet sizing here loses you a lot of value. However, you're 100% right with your analysis of value betting on the river in this spot.
@DescartesRenegade
@DescartesRenegade 4 жыл бұрын
I value own myself all the time :) I think its incredibly funny
@ElKashish
@ElKashish 3 жыл бұрын
The point I make is not about the big issue of value betting, but the reading of the specific hand. Note: it is what I was thinking while watching - not after I learned what happened. It starts with the assumption about the range. Many, at least at this level - despite the not high or even low stack relative to blinds, do call a raise, after limping, with small suited connectors, and even suited one-gapers. Then, most would lead with a top pair given the flush draw and two others in the pot. Then, others would check raise. He did neither but paid easily - at this point his range leans heavily towards suited (clubs ofcourse) connectors with straight or backdoor straight (45, 56, 67, 78, 89, 9T, TJ) or hands like KJ/KT clubs. On the turn, he again checks. Given the prior action, and if he has a Q (playing trappy), he'd bet or check shove most of the time, believing you'd pay. He doesn't and this almost completely eliminiates Q for him. Furthermore, he pays easily. This tells me he improved his hand! Therefore, I put him now mostly on 45cc, 56cc, 67cc, 89cc, with 46cc possible as well. By the river, given he didn't bet, mm don't see him as a Q at all. Except 89cc, the others are stronger. So at best, even if I keep one Qx - I'm better only 25% of the time when called. Not a time to value bet!
@superdog797
@superdog797 Жыл бұрын
you didnt consider qq, 77 33 in the hole, or of course the exact suited connector he had?
@steveharding8965
@steveharding8965 4 жыл бұрын
So if he shoves you call here since there is so much already in?
@williamzagarella8066
@williamzagarella8066 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's kinda weird because if he shoves you know your aces are literally never ever ever good. You need to call 140 more to win like 1K so he knows by shoving you're never folding out a better hand so it's kind of odd here. It's an effective all in. I dont necessarily see this as going for thin value. Thin value would have been maybe 130. You bet 285 and leave 140 behind. That's an all in lmao
@kineahora8736
@kineahora8736 3 жыл бұрын
This is a classic example of thinking that has always been applied in medicine: If your positive biopsy rate on suspected breast cancer is too high for example (you are correct in being suspicious too accurately) then it means you are not doing enough biopsies and are therefore *missing* some cancers... and national bodies will monitor one’s biopsy positivity rate and you will get in trouble if it’s too high and you will have to adjust your practice. You must value own yourself some of the time...
@randomperson-gp8ph
@randomperson-gp8ph 3 жыл бұрын
Good analogy
@xanderlinde8746
@xanderlinde8746 4 жыл бұрын
What percentage do you say you should be value owning yourself???
@CrushlivePoker
@CrushlivePoker 4 жыл бұрын
It’s hard to exactly quantify because it depends on sizing at the end. But probably shoot for 60-70% of the time when bet for value good when called. Anything more than that is leaving $$ on the table.. Bart
@modestomouso1234
@modestomouso1234 4 жыл бұрын
So what do we think about this guy floating the turn bet which was 2/3 pot when he has a combo draw? Does he have enough equity to make that call profitably with pair 5’s/low flush draw/gutter? Does it make sense to bluff the river if we miss here given Barts line?
@TheTree1
@TheTree1 4 жыл бұрын
Chuck O'Connor i didn’t watch the whole video yet but if it’s heads up you can always call or raise with a pair + flush + straight draw. i personally would be looking to raise the turn to a size that’s never going to fold to a jam.
@CanadianLoveKnot
@CanadianLoveKnot 4 жыл бұрын
No Villain played the hand correctly, just got the perfect run out. He has 36% equity on the turn against aces, and may even think he has the best hand with a pair of5s, if Hero is betting with AK, etc...Villain missed his flush, but sucked out with 2 pair.
@compteofficiel4112
@compteofficiel4112 4 жыл бұрын
seemed fine to me, and the way hero was blasting made it even better...all the money was probably going in.
@yiyisohable
@yiyisohable 4 жыл бұрын
nice
@mikeob6325
@mikeob6325 3 жыл бұрын
that's me ....lesson learned
@stevehorner4377
@stevehorner4377 4 жыл бұрын
Only thing I would disagree with on this hand was sizing on the river. I don't think most players will call $285 on that river with a naked Q when we have shown aggression on all 4 streets. I would have bet more like $150-$175 here specifically targeting KQ/QJ/QT. But there is no question that this his a clear bet for value on the end.
@traviscoates6878
@traviscoates6878 Жыл бұрын
How does he NOT raise there!? It’s the most well disguised 2 pair ever!
@mightypensword
@mightypensword 3 жыл бұрын
Question: If they go all in with the last 140 effective, do you fold?
@FastdounutTV
@FastdounutTV 3 жыл бұрын
Really hard for them to be bluffing there unless its some clueless player.
@spidgeb3292
@spidgeb3292 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not good enough to fold to a $140 bet into a $945 pot.
@xN0xB0DYx
@xN0xB0DYx 4 жыл бұрын
Hey bart have you ever thought about opening to 10x against players who refuse to fold with your premium hands?
@eternalselph
@eternalselph 4 жыл бұрын
Or more
@seanaujila7014
@seanaujila7014 4 жыл бұрын
Is this a joke lol
@xN0xB0DYx
@xN0xB0DYx 4 жыл бұрын
sean aujila try it out and let me know
@seanaujila7014
@seanaujila7014 4 жыл бұрын
@@xN0xB0DYx don't know if you understand how fucked live 1/2 or 1/3 or 2/5 can be 😂
@yeayea4072
@yeayea4072 4 жыл бұрын
You’re pretty much face up but if you’re just isolating a fish it’s not terrible because the fish is usually clueless to what the strength your sizing signifies. 10x is still pretty big though and you gotta watch out for another player unexpectedly cold calling or re raising you. Just play solid poker
@alexleach4002
@alexleach4002 4 жыл бұрын
You should bet sometimes with the worst hand. It's called bluffing. Use a hand with no showdown value. If he has 56cc it does not matter if you have AA or KJ, you lose the same amount. if you check back your AA wins way more often than checking back your KJ... take your medium hands out of your betting range and replace them with bad ones.
@toddzickel2548
@toddzickel2548 4 жыл бұрын
Do you suggest villain going all in to put your final $140 into the pot? As villain, the only hand i fear is you having QQ. I'm taking the $140 risk. I assume you still call? You can't fold there. Villain left 💸 on the table.
@TheBobinn
@TheBobinn 4 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking I'd happily call incase hero was playing Q4s in that way, depending how much he is preflop raising
@2cardarsenal310
@2cardarsenal310 4 жыл бұрын
Agree! If I river 2 pair on someone I think pre-flop raised with AA, KK, AK, AQ, I'm definitely "Value Shoving" for the remainder of the Hero's money! If I'm beat with set of QQs then so be it.
@MrStevie57
@MrStevie57 2 жыл бұрын
Good lesson.So if he shoves you call I guess.
@OldSchooledTV
@OldSchooledTV 4 жыл бұрын
I keep getting bad beats like this lmao, this is a very common occurance for me, I'm still doing it though :D
@ElKashish
@ElKashish 3 жыл бұрын
Then rethink your hand reading...
@DallasC5555
@DallasC5555 4 жыл бұрын
Good video but I think you’re severely overstating how often Qx is calling river here. Remember they have to put you on a range, too. Your hand is face up one big pair unless your rep is wild. Even KQ makes a lot of crying folds to any bet size at or above half pot. Also metagame considerations - if you are firing lots of rivers w one pair on wet boards I’m looking to snap you off all day and my river decisions get very easy.
@Havefunatwork
@Havefunatwork 4 жыл бұрын
"value owning yourself 35-40% of the time" seems tilting
@DallasC5555
@DallasC5555 4 жыл бұрын
Danny Edwardo Mazel tov! 3rd barrel there in most 1-3 or 2-5 games turns into the “ok I believe you had me the whole way” fold. Again, his hand is face up in 5th. What on earth is Qx hoping to beat here?!
@DallasC5555
@DallasC5555 4 жыл бұрын
Danny Edwardo Like I said - mazel tov. If you’re in games where ppl are check calling literally every street on every non flush board w Qx one pair only, you should own KZbin in a few years. At that level there is SUCH a strong one pair vs two pair dynamic. In fact, the specific player Bart was up against completely fits the profile I’m talking about. If that game plays like yours, that opponent snap calls w any two pair, right? The tank call was because he’s not used to calling a big river bet on a four liner board but Bart’s hand was face up so he had to! Losing river decision imo. (vs that player type at those stakes)
@libertyisjustice
@libertyisjustice 4 жыл бұрын
@@DallasC5555 If you play in games where villain is folding everything < top pair, on the river, you should be cbetting every street every time with 100% range. Is that our basic assumption? I think you're way overestimating the frequency of making two pairs or better. Would this be a good line to take if hero had 68, any flushdraw, AK etc? Because villain's range has a boatload of one pair queens, missed flushdraws and all. Both hero and villain should have a 4 or a flopped set
@patrick_kyker
@patrick_kyker 4 жыл бұрын
Should Villain have played more aggressively? At least raise river?
@hitoshijohnson
@hitoshijohnson 4 жыл бұрын
What if he'd have bet the river?
@xanderlinde8746
@xanderlinde8746 3 жыл бұрын
I am the king of the value bet on the river. I will overbet shove with top pair when I know it’s good
@justinz7974
@justinz7974 3 жыл бұрын
That doesn’t seem like a balanced play.
@GIGADOPE
@GIGADOPE 4 жыл бұрын
So do you think he made a good call at the end?
@mataspacevicius8254
@mataspacevicius8254 4 жыл бұрын
Depends whos making the bet.
@emoemoleb
@emoemoleb 4 жыл бұрын
yes because there's few 4s in his range
@TheDjcarter1966
@TheDjcarter1966 4 жыл бұрын
Yes because as Bart said you yourself are polarized you have Qx most of the time playing this line and he is actually hoping you have AA, KK or AQ
@compteofficiel4112
@compteofficiel4112 4 жыл бұрын
easy call with 2 pair, maybe even raise all-in
@FefeLeVrai
@FefeLeVrai 4 жыл бұрын
The main problem I see with this line is that you're facing a limp-call UTG, which typically has all the implied odds hands like low pocket pairs and low suited connectors (so all the nuts on this board), and just not many queens. Definitely not a spot to overplay aces. Another issue is that betting big on the river doesn't have much point besides baiting villain to put you on a busted flush draw and herocall, but he's a recreational player so he just doesn't think like that.
@crazydonkey110
@crazydonkey110 4 жыл бұрын
would have been a raise on flop or turn if he had a set...at these stakes ppl don't slow play sets especially on draw heavy boards and he wouldn't be calling flop with just a 7 as bart mentions so we can rule out turned 2 pairs and 73 and Q7 is very unlikely and also would have raised flop.
@tjebbedonckers
@tjebbedonckers 4 жыл бұрын
The way the hand played out postflop your AA is the best hand very often at the end. There's no way that 2 pair + would've taken this passive line on flop and turn, and villain shouldnt have too many 4's in his range either. So perfectly fine to valuebet river.
@FefeLeVrai
@FefeLeVrai 4 жыл бұрын
Except he's a recreational player, and if there's something recreational players love to do, it's slowplaying even when it makes no sense. Bart's videos are full of this. So why wouldn't he slowplay his sets?
@libertyisjustice
@libertyisjustice 4 жыл бұрын
@@FefeLeVrai Bart's videos are full of this, but it's sample size bias. Nobody posts or remembers a hand where they went bet/bet/bet with AA and got called with top pair.
@libertyisjustice
@libertyisjustice 4 жыл бұрын
Obviously this hand is really dependent on how wide villain is. Since limp/calling utg balanced is very hard, we can safely assume that the range is probably very wide, including all medium strength hands. If it is in fact balanced, and tight, with a decent portion of limp/raises as both value and bluffs, then this becomes a much tighter spot, but an average villain limp/calling a raise will have tons of unsuited broadways etc. But against an average villain who limp/calls, hero should have enough of a range advantage to make AA a bet/bet/bet on most runouts. It's hard for villain to defend river both ahead of AA and not overfolding turn/river. And if villain needs to make a mistake vs. hero's range to play correctly vs. hero's specific hand, it's better to just bet and let villain choose what mistakes they want to make. If villain overfolds turn/river, there's probably no value in betting AA here, but if villain overcalls, it's massive value loss.
@paulmaier6305
@paulmaier6305 4 жыл бұрын
there is the extra benefit that sometimes your "value owning" bet actually gets a BETTER hand to fold!!! especially at smaller stakes,
@luisbenites4825
@luisbenites4825 3 жыл бұрын
I believe in poker they call that "bluffing"
@dirtybastardlittle7485
@dirtybastardlittle7485 2 жыл бұрын
You gotta give action, if you want action.... if you show-down with the nuts everytime, you won't get called when you bet big on the river.
@idahogreen2885
@idahogreen2885 4 жыл бұрын
🤜🏻🤛🏻😎👍🏻
@Jari44
@Jari44 4 жыл бұрын
I think your bet of 285$ into 375$ is good theoretically but when playing against recreational players, they are not thinking in terms of percentage of pot. 285$ "looks" like a big bet and therefore you will more often times see them folding top pair (especially if they don't have the Ace kicker, which you block, since they can still be outkicked). The fact that the recreational player tank/sigh called you with 2 pairs there just shows you how risk-averse he is and therefore I would have probably bet something in the neighborhood of 180$ just to squeeze out the most value out of his KQ, QJ and AQ hands. Thanks for the video Bart.
@DallasC5555
@DallasC5555 4 жыл бұрын
Jonathan This is exactly correct.
@teddyj5187
@teddyj5187 3 жыл бұрын
Oh im the master of losing with aces.
@theejayzeeable
@theejayzeeable 4 жыл бұрын
I think it would be better "value-owning" advertising for the table if u had QJ, QK here. I think most live players would just see this outcome as bad luck for a "strong" hand like pocket Aces.
@stevehammond2016
@stevehammond2016 3 жыл бұрын
Feel as if you´re talking to , and only to , me . Nice content .
@GetOffTheLawn
@GetOffTheLawn 4 жыл бұрын
You can't Monday morning quarterback good play. Make the right moves consistently and the math will fall in your favor. Poker is just one lifelong session. Over the long hall you will come out on top. The river bet was a no brainer.
@derektomko1015
@derektomko1015 4 жыл бұрын
Villian actually should have raised on the end....
@lech.dutkiewicz
@lech.dutkiewicz 3 жыл бұрын
To get called by which worse hand? This would be turning his hand into a bluff. At least in my opinion.
@thehusketeers4319
@thehusketeers4319 4 жыл бұрын
Are you smoking wacky bscvy?
@zerrez9791
@zerrez9791 2 жыл бұрын
I have value owned myself a couple times tbh
@rhinorakemaker4573
@rhinorakemaker4573 3 жыл бұрын
It's the same logic as if you don't get caught bluffing you aren't bluffing enough...
@stevenundisclosed6091
@stevenundisclosed6091 3 жыл бұрын
I've been doing this for years. I've also been a winning player for years. Betting like this and winning is essential in being a winning player IMO.
@mikeob6325
@mikeob6325 3 жыл бұрын
like this but respectfully river bet too much....180=200 will induce a call
@Its__Good
@Its__Good 3 жыл бұрын
Too many players think that the objective of poker is to minimise their losses and so play scared. They're always looking for reasons why they can fold - "Oh, well at my level this is ALWAYS the nuts so we can fold third nuts". But like Bart says, if you're not losing a reasonable % of hands then you're not playing properly.
@JustAskingAndCurios
@JustAskingAndCurios 4 жыл бұрын
Why fixated on Q? May have limped in with 33, 77 and called your $25 bet....
@nydiabravo2393
@nydiabravo2393 4 жыл бұрын
JustAskingAndCurios most definitely agree
@TheDegenVagabond
@TheDegenVagabond 4 жыл бұрын
Unlikely villain just calls the flop bet with a set. Almost always going to check raise this flop to deny equity with a set especially in a multi way pot. So, we should be able to pretty safely remove sets from their range. Obviously this is poker so it's not 100% but the times it would be correct far outweigh the times it would be wrong.
@compteofficiel4112
@compteofficiel4112 4 жыл бұрын
i think it is just that there are so many combos with queens that people will play compared to just 3 combos each of 33 or 77.
@marc6157
@marc6157 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t win EM all
@stevenalper3890
@stevenalper3890 4 жыл бұрын
I assume you're folding the river if he check-jams. It sucks for just $150 more, but is he ever doing this with just a Q and it's virtually never a bluff?
@TheDjcarter1966
@TheDjcarter1966 4 жыл бұрын
If you aren't folding to a river jam that means you are basically putting him on KK always hard to put you whole stack in betting he has one hand only.
@stevenalper3890
@stevenalper3890 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheDjcarter1966 Some players do strange things. I've often seen ppl raise all-in for not much more with marginal hands because they think 'well I'm virtually all-in, i may as well go all-in'. It's not logical but I've seen many times.
@compteofficiel4112
@compteofficiel4112 4 жыл бұрын
@@stevenalper3890 you've never done that? be honest..i think we all have
@stevenalper3890
@stevenalper3890 4 жыл бұрын
@@compteofficiel4112 No I haven't. Why would I lie? I've only ever raised when I think I might get called by worse. But that's a nice bit of projection Bruce.
@roosdad1
@roosdad1 4 жыл бұрын
Vegas is opening up. F online poker!
@CanadianLoveKnot
@CanadianLoveKnot 4 жыл бұрын
I knew this guy was going to show up with some bullshit hand like 56c, so spookey.
@nutcracker4986
@nutcracker4986 4 жыл бұрын
yea or like 76 or a4 clubs
@libertyisjustice
@libertyisjustice 4 жыл бұрын
Not very spooky, since the title kind of hinted at it very strongly
@CanadianLoveKnot
@CanadianLoveKnot 4 жыл бұрын
@@libertyisjustice Ya, in the title right. 54 of clubs, why didn't I see it.
@AlexWice
@AlexWice 4 жыл бұрын
Flop size is a big leak imo, you should just bet more, especially in these loose games. Pot size will get bigger on subsequent streets
@paulcioffi1425
@paulcioffi1425 4 жыл бұрын
He should have jammed on your river bet instead of calling. He wasted value. No way you can fold. Do you agree with that? I have made a ton of value lately as you said by betting on the river in position and getting looked up. Thank you for the great analysis.
@compteofficiel4112
@compteofficiel4112 4 жыл бұрын
@Allen Albright after betting 285 if villain jammed for the last 100 bucks (or whatever it is) the pot odds would be very high (around 9-1 i think...i'm too lazy to rewind the video..lol) so how could you possibly fold?
@santaclause3487
@santaclause3487 4 жыл бұрын
With a 4 liner this is a check back
@michaellaffredo2473
@michaellaffredo2473 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ dude way to many ads in your video
@Jo2lentino1981
@Jo2lentino1981 2 жыл бұрын
Been playing this damn game for years and never won any esp in tournament.. this crappy game is just pure luck! Pai Gow Poker is way better than this game!!
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