This value bet is a perfect example of being in the zone. Jon knew where he was at because he was in the zone that day/night. Great value bet.
@FefeLeVrai4 жыл бұрын
I don't think there is a GTO chart that tells you to fold KQo on the button to 2 limps and a cutoff open :)
@compteofficiel41124 жыл бұрын
GTO is totally overhyped and I wish people would just stop talking about it....either that or point to a definite source of what it even is, which i've yet to see...just a buzzword that no one can even really define.
@mastyer0fReality4 жыл бұрын
@Cousin Jimmy Farha a solution to an ever changing problem... it's not a formula. You still didn't explain it because it is indeed impossible. Shouldn't name call either you're practically announcing that you yourself are a moron when you open an arguement that way.
@mastyer0fReality4 жыл бұрын
@Cousin Jimmy Farha I'm a winning player. Name calling is a common phrase, you dont know it? Lol
@mastyer0fReality4 жыл бұрын
@Cousin Jimmy Farha no player can always play GTO is the point. And that statement is true.
@Saracinderallasushis4 жыл бұрын
mastyer0fReality Not true, a player can easily input into a computer program when playing online to get the GTO!
@pokerfitnessyoutube28374 жыл бұрын
Always like your stuff Bart
@onthebeach82114 жыл бұрын
People who are winners are very egotistical. However, I'll admit the number one thing you helped me with is making me bet gold the river more. It's crazy that they hardly ever even raise you with second or third nuts, you just value own yourself once in a while, Appreciate the content
@carlfelstiner36714 жыл бұрын
Yeah if you ever watch high level play its crazy how many river raises there are. In live poker people only raise with the nuts
@Gos12345674 жыл бұрын
@@carlfelstiner3671 true id even put turn check raises into that category,even when they are bluffing its a high equity combo draw,so youre either way behind or slightly ahead.Ive no problem insta folding top pair in those situations now
@ekw5554 жыл бұрын
I'm confused in the first hand. I'd swear you said at one point during the hand that check/calls on rivers in these games was bad. I guess you meant when the IP player was the aggressor and already bet 2 streets? because at the end, Noam is in the "check/call" spot, and you say you would definitely call & that his call was good. I guess I need to find that part & listen to it again. yeah, from 9:00 - 11:00, roughly. though you say it's "one of the rare cases"
@leebp91064 жыл бұрын
So a blocker bet was the best action on the river from the lead ?
@aarbar66154 жыл бұрын
I honestly like an over bet from the lead more then a small blocker bet if you're not checking here, it makes bluff and value raises impossible from weak players and could get worse to call with all of the busted draws . I think check is still the best play because if you're not youre never getting busted draws to bluff into you.
@karlseastrand76784 жыл бұрын
Bart, is it accurate to say that SPRs (together with villains range Obv) should often be a major consideration when deciding whether to flat or 3B here? Also I feel if you 3B here and more $ goes in PF you are never ever better than a flip and you always get to use position when flatting. I think that the original raiser will reasonably often turn up with a hand dominated by KQ ( eg KJ,JTs,QTs etc) and when he flops top pair you can extract the max IP. IMO folding is idiotic. Thanks
@wiseguysavant4 жыл бұрын
if he makes a move, and goes all in. would you have to call off?
@FefeLeVrai4 жыл бұрын
Checkraising is a pretty big counter to thin value betting really. That's why Bart is telling us to thin value bet a lot as an exploitative play, because you're facing players that call way too much and basically never checkraise rivers except maybe once in a blue moon with the nuts. So following Bart's exploitative strategy you should fold to a checkraise, but of course this is very easily punished by checkraising with bluffs like the busted nut flush draw. As everything, player dependent.
@Gos12345674 жыл бұрын
no not at low stakes unless you have specific info that the guy can actually do a move like that as a bluff,maybe about 5% of the pop would.
@Heavycardboard4 жыл бұрын
Is Noam always going for 3 streets with AA, KK, AQ? Might he not c/c river to allow missed draws to bluff at it?
@whitespoof4 жыл бұрын
highly doubtful although possible. i think its a bet since he has range advantage, all his potential draws have missed aside backdoor flushdraw/straightdraw and he would make a polarizing bet to get called by a hand like what jon has. IMO. He misses too much value by checking. occasional checks should be mixed in, but i still think its 90/10-bet/Check.
@Gos12345674 жыл бұрын
No because people at low stakes arent bluffing the river enough when checked to,listen to Barts videos he explains repeatedly why check/calling at lower stakes is bad
@kevincloonan97874 жыл бұрын
I like 3 betting in this spot since the cut off has more incentive to isolate with a wider range with the limpers...I would flat if it was a single raise. Bart how bout the guy flatting with pocket 10s ? Do you like flatting there ? or 3 betting w/ 10-10
@paulhamilton54203 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for your content
@FernandoTamblayMoenne4 жыл бұрын
As a tournament player I am betting that in a big field tournament. Why? Because unless the player is decent the moment he checks his range is extremely capped. So against your average unknown tourney player I am betting.
@anthonylivingston79904 жыл бұрын
That and the fact that almost no one check raises river
@webslinger5164 жыл бұрын
Fantastic river bet. Great instructional video.
@TylerWx4 жыл бұрын
Do you think that Jon should have bet larger on the river since both flush draws bricked out?
@mastyer0fReality4 жыл бұрын
@Cousin Jimmy Farha hes balancing it with bluffs. I've bluffed 1/3, 1/4 pot and got folds. Which must be exploitative? I think.
@BigBadVVolf224 жыл бұрын
Bart, Thank you for snapping us out of our "Daniel Negreanu Master Class" - induced reverie.
@edb77424 жыл бұрын
Great video and comments. A lot to learn from here.
@compteofficiel41124 жыл бұрын
KQ blocks a lot of strong opening hands like KK, QQ, AK, AQ...in it is even a good 4-betting hand.
@karlseastrand76784 жыл бұрын
but when the limpers are known squeezers I wouldnt know how to play it right. Thoughts when limpers are squeezers but a 3B will create tricky SPRs when called. Thanks again.
@ЕрмаковЕвгений-к5в4 жыл бұрын
You can also check call, if he’s floating and decides to bluff, or missed his draw and decides to bluff. You shouldn’t blindly follow his advice, rather try to understand your opponents range and tendencies and react accordingly. For example if you have an agroreg, you should let him bluff off, even by checking turn, etc.
@ipman5054 жыл бұрын
I would think most of the time that river move can get you in trouble with just a king. You bet now player with Q10 can go all in and most time your forced to fold when you could of just checked it.
@mastyer0fReality4 жыл бұрын
Playing well is just making your opponents life as difficult as possible.
@harrycardillo86714 жыл бұрын
Bet two streets and check river on this run out is definitely a weak Q or a under pair, or a missed draw, so I don't see how this is anything but a bet on the river.
@donaldcedar75744 жыл бұрын
So Jon calls with two people to act behind which means he's pretty strong but nah let's snapcall a river bet when we literally only beat bluffs. 8's-j's are ruled out...you said it yourself!
@rickjames44064 жыл бұрын
At one point you say never check call the, then towards the end you say the Q-10 hand is a SNAP call. Kinda a contradiction there boss
@datsumcrzysht4 жыл бұрын
Did you even bother to listen to the whole video?
@rickjames44064 жыл бұрын
SavedbyGrace I did, lotta rambling
@datsumcrzysht4 жыл бұрын
Rick James Well first off there are never any absolutes and any play can be optimal. With that said, he went into detail about why “the check call” strategy for the purpose of having someone “value own themselves” isn’t ideal given certain ranges (yours/theirs). But that all varies depending on the situation. In this situation, in a cash game, you’re not going to lay it down as there were cards in the opponents range that may have taken such a line.
@CrushlivePoker4 жыл бұрын
In this particular case, being top pair with a weaker kicker, a check call is ideal as if we bet we fold out all his missed bluffs and we are called by QJ+. So we want it to go x/x and lose less vs KQ type of hand where as AA-KK should never be a check call as we want to get value from QT+.
@herts99994 жыл бұрын
Win more with thin river value? The hell you say.
@phillipholmes52063 жыл бұрын
QTo is a horrible hand to get to the river with, even in position, if you only have one pair you are better off folding to any bet. KQo out of position should generally be checking the river, then calling any small bet, if you raise the river and the villain goes all-in what are you going to do then?
@lightonstillwaters67894 жыл бұрын
Your analysis and strategy to max pot in river can result in cash players that watch your show to alter their OOP betting strategy, and thereby negating your thesis. 🤔😉
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@chadharris7054 жыл бұрын
Noams sizing on the turn is wayyy too large. River check call is bad imo. PF is okay. You can't definitively say it's a good call PF tho without knowing Noams iso range over two limps. Many live players are super tight going 8x there.
@sticktoFL4 жыл бұрын
Idk what you’re talking about honestly I’ve never met a player who wouldn’t bet KQ on the river as played.....except specific older players, to say you don’t see people bet kq here just sounds ridiculous
@sticktoFL4 жыл бұрын
@Cousin Jimmy Farha did i say he criticized anyone? no i said what he said which he doesnt see people at these stakes bet kq on the river in this spot
@CrushlivePoker4 жыл бұрын
99% of players would check behind in that spot with KQ at 5:5 and below. You aren’t observing the situation correctly, imo
@joevas95284 жыл бұрын
id bet big on river here make my hand look like a missed draw/bluff with the KQ
@joevas95284 жыл бұрын
if i saw that bet and i was noam, i'd check raise huge put the guy in a tough spot
@TheSwissEditor4 жыл бұрын
What a timming this video is to me lol This saturday i have this exactly same spot on a 1/0.5 game but i choose to 3bet the iso,the rest of the story? the iso shoves on me lol i insta fold/regret! next time ^^
@struds67784 жыл бұрын
Bart there is no way you are a professional poker player... I honestly would be surprised given how often you contradict yourself and contruct your theories if you could beat 50z on stars..
@struds67784 жыл бұрын
I dont know if you run a training site or whatever but if you charge even a $ for coaching you are stealing a living
@vladiplaton54754 жыл бұрын
You talk too much!
@tho4644 жыл бұрын
I actually nodded off during this video. 😴
@alangreen_za4 жыл бұрын
Is your nose blocked?
@steveloeber99934 жыл бұрын
Too long on a single hand...........come on really?