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[@tna2me197]

Before I start calling people names and assuming anything I want to hear his side of the story. I know a "scum bag" who found out his wife had been cheating on him. AND in the process she had been taking out loans that he was not informed of. She also spent a bunch of his savings (it was a one income family) without him being aware. So yes, he left her. The divorce turned into a messy bitter situation. But when you hear HER side of the story you'd think HE was the problem. All of this came down at a point in his life when he was suffering from a medical issue that left his ability to make a sizable income was impossible. But you'd never know about all of that if you only listened to her. My point is, let's hear his side of this story.

[@bp6877]

I agree: In law school, I had a "friend" tell me how horrible her husband was; she got upset when I said I'd need to hear from him first before giving her my opinion of the situation. It turned out she had been having an affair with her husband's brother! A few months later, this "friend" met me for breakfast; she left without letting me know, and without paying any part of the bill, and for no apparent reason! Turns out there was a lot more to this gal than met the eye! She'd end up divorced from her husband, btw.

[@John-du2mq]

Yeah but if the kids are his then what argument is there?

[@dudeorduuude5211]

You can't hear his side. So stop wishing for something you will never get, just because you are clouded by your own bitterness. We assume she is telling the truth, and if she is, the ex husband is being a baby and has to support his kids. If genders were reversed, and it was a deadbeat mother, I would give the same advice.

[@majorlagg9321]

So, he would be justified in cutting his child support to a sliver? I guarantee if this lady agrees to 25%, she's not going to get that and will have to fight tooth and nail for that meager amount.

[@majorlagg9321]

@@bp6877 As an attorney, you do know that child support and fault in a divorce are two different things, right?

[@domega7392]

I agree with Dave program and I follow it faithfully. But I will have to disagree with this based on the simple fact of automatically taking her side and calling him SCUM without even hearing both sides.

[@katyedwards3935]

I agree

[@jimroscovius]

He should have called in then.

[@sam805236]

@@jimroscovius That's a stupid response. Dave is not a judge and ultimately has ZERO say in this family's issues. The ex couldn't care less about what Dave has to say lol.

[@KnowledgeIsComfort]

Well, I don’t know the facts about the “why” they’re getting a divorce, but I do think it’s fair to call out anyone, man or woman, who tries to evade paying to raise they’re own children

[@W.Holden.6]

The Ramsey show is routinely out of touch with the divorce issue when it comes to men. Based on the call it sounds like this woman probably kicked her husband out, kept the house, all the assets but he’s got to pay. This is why men don’t want to get married anymore. Men are expected to follow tradition to a tee, but women get to walk all over them and act out however they want and everyone supports the “poor single mommy.”

[@Ryan_DeWitt]

The huge decline in marriage rates show this to be quite true.

[@dudeorduuude5211]

Nope, you are wrong in your assessment of this situation.

[@W.Holden.6]

@@dudeorduuude5211 incorrect

[@pdxmusl1510]

I don't want to get married pretty much because of thos garbage. Most of my friends have gone through a divorce. I agree that you take care of your kids. However... all my friends exs have vacation homes. Rental properties. Etc. There all stinking rich. While those other friends own a modest home and barely be able to retire except off of ss. Even though they do make more than there ex's. Im not saying they should be equal. Heck. Maybe one of these girls is just better with money. But all of them? Divorce throws a mans life in the toilet. Every time. No thanks. I will only get married if im 100000% sure itll never end in Divorce.

[@BusArch42]

@@pdxmusl1510if you marry your equal it’s not a problem. My husband makes more than me (250 vs 190) but we are close enough and both professionals that I would not destroy him financially if we got divorced. Sure once we are retired how pension is twice mine so he would have to level that out. It’s only fair. We were at parity in our careers but I had to go to part time while kids were little and didn’t get promoted for 15 years. As soon as I was full time again I did get a promotion but the pensions are based on all those years of lower salary for me. Our pensions combined are about 10k a month but his is 7000 to 3500 for mine so sure I would make that level out. That’s really quite reasonable given that my pension would have been higher if we split child care evenly. SS is the same since we both max it out and have 40+ years of credits.

[@budgetcooking6634]

If the husband gets a good lawyer (or just a competent one) there is a good chance she will actually be the one paying CS.

[@reese85]

Not if she gets full custody, I doubt it

[@djpuplex]

​@@reese85she only needs 51% custody not full.

[@reese85]

@djpuplex oh if that’s the case! It’ll be messed up if he has to pay child support while having 49% custody “if” he goin to do his part and financially provide for them

[@greggpurviance7252]

It depends on who is "custodial parent" on child support. He may end up with spousal support, but not sure how it works if she only gets military retirement.

[@Rapishad]

Wouldn’t he be eligible for spousal support?

[@Francisco-po1cf]

This is why men are scared to get married but in this case, he’s going to get paid.

[@Chet_24]

Men should avoid marriage at all costs in the West. It is a terrible deal with zero upside for them.

[@lauvasquez7198]

He wasn’t scared when he came inside his wife twice

[@cooltkll]

he is paying cs based on kids not marriage....he should ask for alimony :) :)

[@zackarykelsay3349]

Be nice to hear whether or not she just left or cheated because she just wanted something different. There’s always 2 sides to the story

[@lindacondilli6494]

@@zackarykelsay3349what does that have to do with supporting his children? 🧐

[@dasheffield5596]

If each parent have 50% custody? There should be no child support 😳?

[@christophercarrigg3775]

Watch out. You're thinking with reason and logic. That's usually not allowed these days

[@luminous6969]

Men often have to fight to get 50-50 custody, sad that it's not the default.

[@sweetbean9218]

50-50 custody means each parent is equally responsible for expenses. If kids join sports, he's responsible for half of expenses. Clothing allowance, half. Food, half. College fund, half. It's better for him just to ask for weekend visitation.

[@luminous6969]

@@sweetbean9218 It's better financially but he wants 50-50 which means he's willing to take the hit to be in the child's life, definitely not the monster that Dave's painting him out to be 😒

[@christophercarrigg3775]

@@sweetbean9218 college fund isn't required by law. And by law in Texas 50-50 means no child support

[@FlyWithVeiga]

Thought Dave was harsh on this one. Story is very one-sided to give such a strong opinion.

[@dkstudioart]

I agree, this really bothered me, just attacking the man without hearing both sides, like there's no chance the woman is distorting or even outright lying about the situation.

[@luminous6969]

Yeah Dave equates not wanting to get screwed over as "not wanting to support your child" so he has no patience when someone tries to "get out of paying for their child" by not wanting to get screwed.

[@joesmith3590]

Dave is a beta. If you want to know why Christianity died it is guys like Dave.

[@luminous6969]

@@joesmith3590 Amen 🙏

[@lesliewoinarowicz7018]

Waaawaaaaa

[@georgfloydvictims]

2800 a month, he doesn't have any money to live.

[@HOLDXSTEEL]

Can’t even rent

[@SrinivasSridharan]

A parasite

[@sweetbean9218]

She makes $5800. She's making only enough not to be overwhelmed.

[@tonytoni1150]

That’s his problem. Don’t have kids you cannot afford.

[@cutehumor]

@@sweetbean9218I though she made 7500 a month with military pension and Va disability

[@MaxSujyReact]

These two have no idea how the law work, LOL! The judge will NOT side with her. Guaranteed, 100%, she's be the one paying HIM child support with that massive salary discrepancy.

[@stitchy_linn]

If he gets full custody that is true. Who says he's going to win that fight, though?

[@reese85]

With that little income he has, I’ll doubt full custody! He doesn’t make nearly enough to provide full them

[@bonniemcmaken3966]

That'd be regarding alimony, not child support. Unless he has primary custody, she won't have to pay.

[@Josh-lp2ng]

@@reese85 50/50 custody is the default in most states and she will be paying him child support so that he can afford to have the kids 50% of the time.

[@Josh-lp2ng]

@@bonniemcmaken3966if they have equal custody she and earns 3x his income, she absolutely will have to pay child support.

[@cyoohoos]

Hmmm..... lady... if you are the breadwinner, you may wind up paying HIM child support. Old school thinking and the reality of laws don't always align. Don't get me started in the you may be required to pay him alimony ....

[@Francisco-po1cf]

I definitely want to know how much it is lol. How much would she have to pay?

[@sweetbean9218]

If she has custody, he pays child support.

[@alinatamashevich3354]

@@sweetbean9218 Sounds like he wants 50%.

[@michaelmitchell338]

He should be entitled to part of her military pension too.

[@AlexKaehler-qc8kd]

Unlikely if she has custody. They'll take 500 off him at least.

[@ErwinSchrodinger64]

Dave acting like a SIMP. No matter what the situation, generally, sides with the lady. Nevermind what are the causative agents for the divorce. We wonder why marriage is a dying institution... good riddance. It's all about equality until it isn't... it will never be.

[@jimroscovius]

He didn't call, so he doesn't matter.

[@Ja50nkAt]

This is why men are done with marriage, everything is assumed to be their fault.

[@domega7392]

YEP... You see how they call him scum automatically without hearing both sides!

[@LillyMarz777]

Their

[@ebullock1000]

He did move out….

[@hammerdown3876]

​@@domega7392 - yup. And Dave does this every time

[@mhodge0890]

Facts

[@danieljohnson4418]

George: "That's a real man right there . . . ." No, that's a man who probably wants to spend as much time with his children as possible and is also contemplating the potential financial consequences of not having 50% visitation. It sure is easy to say get over it, just like it's easy to recommend purchasing a house on a 15-year fixed-rate mortgage to the average Joe/Jane while you yourself are earning $200,000+ annually.

[@grub-gamerwow]

Since she retired from the military this is one of the rare instances where federal law is involved in a divorce, which is usually only a state issue. Under federal law, specifically the Uniformed Services Former Spouses’ Protection Act, if you are married to a member of the military for at least 10 years (she says they have been married for 11) the military spouse receives a portion of the retirement paycheck after a divorce. Since she lives in fort worth there should be lawyers that have experience with military divorces, but I've noticed that men suck at finding divorce lawyers so he might get shafted anyway.

[@cutehumor]

He gets part of her military pension for life

[@rebeccamcbride1519]

Only if she was still ACTIVE for those 10 years. It’s 10 years of marriage with 10 years of service with an overlap of 10 years. It doesn’t sound like there’s enough time total.

[@alinatamashevich3354]

And yet....she picked HIM!

[@queen.kristal8395]

guy is lazy i something happen to her i have no idea how he will take care of the kids. He needs to work more. He should be make more than $30k a year

[@Primitive_Code]

This new generation of women especially American have no head on their shoulder thanks to their clumsy parents.

[@reese85]

@queen.Kristal8395 I agree that he should be making more but calling him lazy is kinda unnecessary

[@alinatamashevich3354]

@@queen.kristal8395 Flip that advice, see ?

[@zvmZvm0102]

Hahaha! You're implying women are held accountable for their bad decisions! No, women are always treated like the victim, even when its their own fault.

[@jackoats50]

He needs to get a lawyer. HE NEEDS TO GET A LAWYER!!! If they were married for ten years during her military career, he gets "By Law" half of her military pension for ALL of her retirement. Child support is based on BOTH of their incomes and based on the split of child custody. If he has 50% of custody, SHE owes HIM child support. "He left two months go ..." statistically means she threw him out as 80% of all divorces are filed by women, (90% if the woman has a college degree.) AGAIN with almost NO information Dave dumps on the guy. It is always the guys fault no matter what SHE did or decided. PS are the kids his? Depending on who you cite 3% to 30% of children are NOT biologically related to the man in the house. NO SOURCE says it is 0%. GET A PATERNITY TEST. It does not matter in most states, if you were married, but it is scientific information that the children need to know and is information that can be used for other things. Children NEED to know their medical family history. PS: The woman you divorce is NOT the woman you married - not even related to the same species that she claimed to be.

[@brad6523]

So what this woman is saying is that she doesn’t work. I lost multiple limbs in service and have a full military pension and am on 100% disability and even I don’t make close to $7500 dollars a month. It sounds like she is gaming the system. And she expects her husband to pay. And if he works full time, even 2800 isn’t enough to live off of. Doesn’t mean he isn’t responsible for his kids, but considering all her money is tax free and she literally does nothing for it then she should pay the majority of the child support. Not to mention VA disability literally pays you more per dependent you have.

[@davidharman7245]

Thanks for sharing those facts. I was surprised by hiw she worded her statement about her income.

[@TheDjcarter1966]

The VA still has semi-scams going, I retired and didn't have any medical issues and didn't get a VA rating, I know others who got a sleep study snored and get 50%...you don't even get 50% for one lost limb. My guess is she got the "snoring" rating plus a few other little things thrown in and got to 100%. Sometimes I kick myself for not going to VA but I literally have the thinnest military medical records I ever saw 20 years and probably 30-40 pages, 20 annual physicals and a few cold/flu maybe, I just didn't think it was right to try and get more money.

[@rebeccamcbride1519]

But rank also plays into this. It’s not just about the disability number. In the last 4 years my husband has ranked up twice and now will be close to her number and that’s before knowing the exact disability number. 4 years ago this would have been a completely different conversation. The second factor is how current both your numbers are. Current pay scales are what these numbers are based on so if you retired 20 years ago and she retired last year that a huge difference again. There’s not enough info here to know how to calculate her number.

[@analyticalchick3064]

She probably had rank and this might be combined with her working a civilian job now. So like it might be 3k ish a month from the military and 4k ish from a civilian job. So she might have meant that her military money bumps her up from a job. She doesn't sound old enough to be fully retired.

[@BrianW211]

She still has minor children, and they were married 11 years, so she's likely in her 30's or early 40's and she brings home (i.e. after taxes) $7500/month ($90K/year) in pension and VA benefits? Seriously?!?!

[@JDmix123]

She’s going to be paying. And they never talk about women this way. There hatred of men is disturbing.

[@parks105]

This guy definitely deserves it, but what you’re saying about the double standard is true.

[@TheSarah89]

If he has 50/50 custody, nobody should be paying child support. If she has them more, the court will make him pay. The fact that he only wants them 50/50 is so he doesn’t need to pay child support, he’s a deadbeat.

[@StephanieBogart]

@@TheSarah89I had 50/50 custody (also in Texas) and I was still eligible for child support. I did not take it.

[@bilbobaggins5841]

@@parks105 Could you send a link to the part where we hear his side?

[@TinyCricket89]

I’ve got a story out of TX that I wish Dave could hear. The divorced guy who never missed a child support payment and is very active in their child’s life gets a random letter from the attorney general’s office claiming for a YEAR he didn’t pay support and is now $18,000 in arrears. He calls them up and they say for that year it wasn’t paid through them and anything he paid directly to his ex wife is considered a gift and he still owes back support WITH interest. And it affects his credit score. So he hires a lawyer and turns out some moron with the AG office messed up. The year he “didn’t pay” was actually the year of separation and the order stated he pay directly by check to her. He gets evidence of all the checks and since the ex wife REFUSED to sign an affidavit saying he did indeed pay her, the attorney works his magic and they force her to by withholding child support. She falls behind on bills and finally signs it. Men, heed this warning and always pay exactly how you’re ordered to or it could come back to bite you, in this case he did it correctly but it was a headache to fix.

[@Francisco-po1cf]

Marriage is a bad deal for most men except for this guy.

[@lauvasquez7198]

Never surprising to see the men that have been wounded by their bad decision making. If men chose wisely they’ll be married forever AND happy.

[@ballinforlife9]

@@lauvasquez719870 % of divorces are filed by the women

[@shaneh3109]

​@lauvasquez7198 some women are very good at lying.

[@lauvasquez7198]

@@shaneh3109 yeah like some men

[@hvaball150]

With the high rate of women college graduates and future incomes, men will be flipping this role. It already is happening. Find a girl making good money and marry her. Then divorce. Men's gold digging.

[@lauvasquez7198]

Divorce is BOTH peoples fault. And the damage is on the children. Lady it’s your fault for choosing a loser husband. Dude is your fault for marrying someone you didn’t love and gave children to. Think of all this BEFORE making babies. “Marriage is bad for men” It’s bad for men if they pick the wrong woman. If you don’t know any happy married men then you need a new circle of friends. They talk about it on this pod a lot. Stop hanging with bummer people. Also if you’re happily married make sure you voice that around your friends so they can see that it is a real thing.

[@stitchy_linn]

Yes THIS! ^^^ ❤

[@nikkisigmon8090]

Eh, abuse isnt always a 50/50 situation for divorce. Grew up in it. A controlling manipualative s-x and emotion abuser is impossible to appease.

[@lauvasquez7198]

@@nikkisigmon8090 again people married the wrong person. They chose the abuser and married them.

[@Cesar-t6x]

I’m almost glad I’m not married

[@lauvasquez7198]

@@Cesar-t6x if you meet the right person you’ll want to marry her I’m sure

[@NoName-jm4ev]

I disagree with Dave 100%, Dave is extremely hypocritical in these cases. He is 100% one sided without any consideration of the facts. Marriages and divorces are weaponized against husbands. Not every husband is scum, not every husband is an abuser ć, a lot of husbands are good husbands and good dads. I have two kids and I know how much it costs to have two kids a months. If I was to divorce, at what planet does my wife needs am additional 5k a month to feed the kids. Every divorced woman with kids considers child support as her income and had nothing to do with raising children. Dane is wrong here and he should consider that not everything revolves around bible banging and biblical crap,

[@frankcb11]

Agreed

[@davidharman7245]

The Bible hates divorce a billion times more than either women or men. It's more of a traditional (1st or second generation feminist) mindset of assumptions that leads these hosts to misreading some situations and assuming that men initiate all the problems in the calls. When talking with women who grew up in a decade or more of abu$e and neglect from their father figures, it nearly always causes tears in discovering how deep that pain can be. So, the hosts just need more perspective of the complex issues faced in homes today (due to years of brokeness affecting generations of young people, who can be naive enough to try to use marriage to fix their problems and satisfy all the needs of their soul)

[@KatrinVB89]

As a woman myself I 100% agree with this message

[@Ryan_DeWitt]

I understand Dave is old fashion. However you got to be self aware to the best of your ability that times have changed. Same goes for his attitude of buying a home. A 15 year mortgage being less than 25% of your income in the current market means many people will never be able to buy a home without moving to the middle of the boonies. Even in the Carter era where interest rates got up to 17% it was still a lot easier for a regular person to get a home back then.

[@djpuplex]

Yup that's Ramsey pander to the women trash and shame the men.

[@maintainingcenter]

They’re acting as if his 25% contribution is supposed to cover 100% of the children’s expenses. That’s not how it works. It’s supposed to cover half. The mother is supposed to contribute her own half. It’s not up to the father to cover everything!

[@nikogio38]

Dave is an idiot for this one...

[@frankcb11]

Not exactly an unbiased response lol

[@djpuplex]

Never is.

[@lindawilson4625]

I think the point Dave & George were making is that if you make a baby you support it...married or not. Ths is why they came off so harsh. That would be the adult thing to do. We're talking about child support, not alimony.

[@forzaazzurri1471]

I want to hear the husband’s side, don’t trust women’s lies.

[@jimmymcgill6778]

He cannot afford that. That leaves him with only $2,100. She is being greedy. She have the money. He does not. Of course these simps are calling this guy all kind of names. What makes them think that she won't have to pay child support. Who is the one that said he left? She could have kicked him out the house.

[@reese85]

I agree with his income being so low, she shouldn’t put him on child support “if” he willingly to help as much as he can, cuz other than that! She gotta put him on child support

[@brandonspits446]

If he gets 50/50 she'll be forced to pay him

[@cutehumor]

The ex husband needs to get spousal support and part of her Military pension 😂😂😂😂

[@shaneh3109]

Yeah this feels one sided. I want hear his side.

[@James_Hough]

All 4 of my kids have caused me financial hardship...and we're still married, so.....

[@lot2196]

I used to make that joke😂. 100% of my check went to child support. Still married 34 years. Most people ripped me pretty good. I laughed at them.

[@dougdraper4892]

I’m a divorced dad with three kids, remarried with two step-kids (all now adults). Texas has a complex algorithm for computing child support. IMHO, it is not unreasoable. The state attorney general’s office garnished my wages; I never actually wrote a check to my ex. Yes, it kept me financially down for a season. I never complained. As she is bringing in so much more money than her soon-to-be ex, he’s a codependent man-child throwing a temper tantrum. Her lawyer's cost will be like cheap aspirin, helping her deal with the headaches.

[@livingunashamed4869]

Hmm does she owe him alimony?

[@XennialGuy]

This is an example of one of those times Dave just did not listen to the caller and only heard what he wanted to hear. He didn't answer her question. She wanted to know if her ex would still need to pay child support based on their incomes, if they shared the kids. The answer to that question is NO. And if he got a good lawyer, she would have to pay Him alimony in this situation.

[@stitchy_linn]

Nope! When custody is shared 50/50 no child support is ordered actually except for the healthcare. They will both have to provide medical coverage. At least that's how it is in WA State and the majority of the States.

[@anniegreen9966]

​@stitchy_linn That's not how it is down here. 50/50 only means no child support if both parents earn equal incomes. Otherwise, the higher earning parent pays child support to the lower earning parent based on a percentage of the difference in income.

[@noregertsyamsayin8011]

50/50 in Tennessee whoever makes more had to pay child support. I've had to do it. It usually adds both incomes divides by 2 and the higher earner has to bring the lower earner up to the middle not to exceed a certain percentage of higher earners income

[@aolvaar8792]

@@stitchy_linn I have FREE lifetime Family healthcare, why would an Ex-wife have to pay anything?

[@hvaball150]

​@@stitchy_linnnot in the majority of states. The higher earner pays child support when 50-50 based upon an income formula. And we haven't even touched his entitlement to her pension benefits.

[@avidsaya1172]

This felt like it was handled very immaturly

[@Josh-lp2ng]

This lady is going to be very surprised when she finds out that since her income is so much higher than his, she will be paying him child support and alimony.

[@rikkifashionhouse6592]

To each its own. I makea lot more than my childs father. When he was employed with low pay he paid with spending time with her. When he got a better paying job he sent support and spent time with her. Its not that difficult to figure out. God blessed me so much and i wasnt going to burden him, especially when he was trying to get on his feet.

[@Ravetar101]

She makes 7500 a month and is looking to milk the dude for child support lolllll

[@Nonsense116]

Child support isn't a gender thing, it's a numbers thing. Historically dads usually pay child support because dads usually out-earn the moms. Yes she should see a lawyer, but shouldn't go in thinking she's going to get all this cash from him.

[@JoeyNYSDnomad]

Never get married.

[@stitchy_linn]

How about don't make babies? There we go!

[@octavia307]

This is about child support. You can make babies without marriage.

[@dudeorduuude5211]

Ya, become an incel. Good life plan. Coward.

[@shaneh3109]

Dont gave kids...correction.

[@RetroGamer20109]

She's assuming she will get custody or the law will require him to pay the child support. There's no requirement that automatically grants her custody. If it's anything other than full custody to her, there may be no child support or she may be paying child support to him to cover expenses towards a 50/50 ratio. Think she needs to get a lawyer to check the laws on this one.

[@juicysmith38235]

He can argue it with the judge. Don't listen to him

[@Rundark-]

Nobody can live on $2800! Then you wanna take 25%? However, being she makes more money she's the one going to pay. Any man who is thinking they are going to get handed divorce papers can get out in front of this by making an appointment with every divorce lawyer in your area. This creates a conflict of interest and they cannot represent her. Best way to avoid this however is to not get married. Who wants to play a game when the game is rigged against you?

[@hvaball150]

Ummm.... Who cares about marriage in a child support case? You still get CS if unmarried.

[@MrTmenzo]

She's about to pay alimony 😂

[@braden2233]

This is the one time I disagree. She’s making 7500 and he’s making 2800. After child support he’d be making 2100 and she’d be at 8300. That is 4 times as much as him, yeah I think in this instance she should be paying.

[@darex0827]

Marriage is a business transaction, at least according to the state. It is simply the joining of two ventures into one. All the religious stuff is between you and the church, but has no baring on the law.

[@DarrenMossman]

Dave Simping again????

[@jacobfr4985]

“What kinda man takes care of their kids for financial support” Come on man. What kinda comment is that from the Dave Ramsey show.

[@S2K2121]

Him not wanting a lawer sounds like a gift to her. If they both lawer up he's going to end up with the child support, alimony and a fat chunck of the assets

[@1jw298]

So who stepped outside of the marriage?

[@JKH-uu9uq]

Im a lawyer in Texas. Not a family lawyer, but this is not a complex family law issue to untangle. In short, no, it’s not nearly as simple as these guys are making it out to be for her. It sounds like they are just gratuitously hating on him for entertainment purposes. Also, in some cases, the higher earning spouse can even be required to pay the lower earning spouse’s attorney fees.

[@betitos11]

She files for child support and he files for alimony. Lets see who gets what 🤣🤣🤣

[@kathigratton2286]

I knew a guy that said 50-50. You had to pay full amount. He was paying $1800 a month. I still had them half the time.

[@consumerdebtchitchat]

She does NOT want them to each have an attorney becuase SHE would be ordered to pay support. Each taking into account 25% of income, SHE would have to pay HIM to help balance out the 2 households - at least while kids are being raised. AND, he could / would get part of her pension as they married more thn 10 years and it's community property in TX I believe.

[@susannaseay4799]

I wonder if Dave knows more about this situation than we are being shown in this brief clip. There is more to this story....she needs a lawyer but they are expensive! The husband wants 50/50 custody so he doesn't have to pay child support? What kind of a father is he? Does he actually care about the kids? SOOOO many questions, why did he leave?

[@paulej]

I found an online calculator for Texas. If accurate, his amount would be $450/mo (assuming 2 kids). So, that would be 16%. I can tell you right now, if the roles were reversed, I would not need that $450/mo if I cleared $90K/yr after taxes. What's wild is the calculator assumes $2325 is needed to raise 2 kids. Really?! I raised 3 kids. It never cost anywhere close to that. The system is so broken.

[@tmcmsail1]

Yes, he should support his kids, but having lived under child support tyranny, I can understand some of his complaints. They may not legally be able to count her military benefits in the calculations, so his income may become up to 50% of the calculation. Still, he needs to bust his butt for his kids….

[@EvilBatmanAmongUs]

The Ramsey Show is legit The View level feminist on a lot of calls

[@WhoDevv]

Judging the guy for leaving when you don’t know why he left is insane, this is one of those topics where they almost always side with the women no matter what.

[@LiamRichie825]

What is Dave talking about? She’s not saying he shouldn’t be financially responsible for his kids, she’s asking if he should have to pay child support on top of it when she makes more money.

[@danielfurr7356]

And the answer is yes.

[@penelope5500]

What are you talking about? Paying child support IS being financially responsible for his kids.

[@LiamRichie825]

On top of taking care of their expenses when they’re with him?

[@luminous6969]

Yeah he got even more wrong at 4:27, he said that he should pay 50% for the 50% he doesn't have the child and the woman gets to pay zero dollars while she has the child and then gripes about HIM being the one getting out of paying 🤡🤡

[@mwhe3111]

Doesn't matter what Dave thinks...the judge will make the decision, and she's probably not gonna get what she wants.

[@penguin12902]

25% of $2800 is $700 a month. That's HALF of the child's needs. She provides the other half. That's $1400 a month. It does NOT cost more than $1400 a month to raise kids.

[@anndeecosita3586]

A lot of guys are in their feelings. Regardless of why they are divorcing or whose fault it is he needs to help take care of his kids. I want to know how often has he taken the kids over to HIS new place to watch them? I would only support him not paying anything in child support if he gets full custody or has physical custody 50 percent of the time. I have a friend who has never paid his wife CS. He told me out of his own mouth that the divorce was because he refused to get a job and wanted to pursue his music and acting career. After the divorce he moved in with his mother and has still not ever had a steady income. I will admit he is an attentive father as far as spending time with his child.

[@sconnell1791]

If she makes 3x what he does, she's not getting child support from him. Especially not when this will likely being a joint custody arrangement.

[@hggohh4915]

Say what you want about Dave, but this time he’s right!

[@screwdriver_bandit]

Cheaper to stay married & open your marriage if you’re miserable. That’s my outlook. Good luck to all you fellas out there.

[@liorap5636]

50 percent visitation? Awful!! two rooms, always feeling like a visitor, never knowing where anything is, and a feeling of responsibility from a young age- who do I burden with this hurting tooth- him or her? Let the kids have a life and make the better financially able parent pay a part of it. If they are with mom, he will still have to pay if they are young and child care costs are an issue.

[@danielhurst8863]

What we feel as old fashioned people and the law are not the same. In the vast majority of today's cases, custody will be 50/50 and she will have to pay him child support. Does this make him greedy if he wants child support from his wife that makes 3 times as much as he makes?

[@Bamapride1985]

The funny thing is if he gets 50/50 custody, she will be the one to pay him bc of disparity in her income to his. That is how it worked with my situation was since I made more, I still had to pay child support with having 50/50 custody but it was quite a bit lower than if would not had did 50/50. The part of having to support the kids and feed them adds up very quickly while they live with me so either way, it costs financially, just are you wanting to have them half the time or be just an every other weekend parent

[@karenj5880]

If they do 50/50, she’ll be paying

[@chuckiedavidson719]

They have to understand that mamma has a responsibility as well to take care of those kids that she helped make. It’s unfair that they jump on this guy calling him a scumbag not knowing the whole story.

[@bnations2000]

There's no simple fixed percentage of income involved, instead, it's driven largely by how many days the children spend in each household. If they do 50/50, then she'll be sending him money each month given their disparity in income. Y'all really got this one wrong by making way too many assumptions about the Dad.

[@ExposeFlyersDotCom]

If both parents live in the same city or town and they both have 50/50 custody then no one has to pay child support.

[@hvaball150]

Universally bad advice. For example, Florida is straight incomes differential. 50-50 same city means nothing.

[@its_cj_fyi]

Comment definitely passed the vibe check. Society is so quick to say that the man is wrong. It doesn’t even listen to the both sides of the story!

[@Primitive_Code]

Why is he making only $2800/mo and why did she pick him are some questions that come to mind.

[@joannaa.5101]

Why did he leave just after 10 years and something shy of eleven? In eleven years, why did he not earn more money to contribute to the household? I believe he knew he would benefit from her pension if he stayed long enough. I'm not saying he shouldn't contribute to the children's care at all. He is already trying not to pay. She's been treated like a piggyback and he is moving on up on her income.

[@thebullgator]

She probably kicked the guy out and has a boyfriend for all we know about this situation. Dave is obnoxious to attack her husband without all the facts. The personal attacks based on one side of a divorce story is insane.

[@hvaball150]

Dave can "old school" it as much as he wants. This will most likely be 50-50 custody (the standard) and with $7500 vs $2800 incomes, SHE may be paying child support to him. Take gender out of the equation. Its mostly math and the state formula. AND he/she will SPLIT the marital assets. Which, depending on the 11 year timing, may be a portion of her retirement.

[@jonaingo29]

If they share custody 50/50 and she makes a lot more money than him, she is likely in for a very unpleasant surprise. She'll end up paying HIM child support.

[@coreydarr8464]

I paid for 14 years! Five children down to one same amount for 14 years! It is what it is!🤔 All done now!👍

[@chucksmith9633]

I've been through this. You don't need a lawyer. Don't put the child support amount in the divorce. One will have custody, and the other will have visitation. After filing the divorce papers, go to the child support court and file for child support. They will take care of percentages garnishing wages.

[@TheCandyShopGirl]

Sounds like dad needs a side hustle. I get that you dont want to make his life harder, but you could loose your income tomorrow and then no one is making sure these kids are cared for. You aren't responsible for his hardships.

[@chazzkramer7676]

It's simple. Take responsibility for your actions or keep it in your pants.

[@natevankoevering2423]

Cases like this are why family law need to be reexamined at this point. I agree with Dave most of the time but if this goes to court she could end up paying alimony to him.

[@1123-e6n]

Hold on - she makes 3x what he does and she’s crying abt child support? This is ridiculous. She should be paying him

[@greenlenny3926]

Dave are you sober??

[@zachmamrol7934]

She also knew what he made when she decides to marry him and procreate multiple times. Magically once you get divorced his income is an issue despite you making more. Pay up sweetheart

[@JoeRNNE1]

Who is the primary custodial parent? The court will determine that it is one or the other of them even if custody is "50 / 50." If its her--and it almost certainly will be--she's likely entitled to some level of child support even though she makes more. Given his modest income, it will not be much. If he is the primary custodial parent, then she should be paying him child support.

[@kingkutta8837]

that's not the law the kids suffer in Mr. ramsey view. kids need parents more than money. we don't know why he left. taking sides

[@garystarkey6255]

We only get to hear her side of this story. I'm not saying he is the world's best dad or anything, but 99.9% of the time, the court system is weaponized against the man as revenge from the woman and keeps the kids away from the father. The government takes most of his paycheck and gets their cut, then gives the woman the rest. It's an evil game, and Texas is probably one of the worst states at doing it. I know my brother is going through this crap in Texas currently.

[@dudeorduuude5211]

Doesn't sound like she is keeping the kids away and she is a pushover, sympathizing with him. So in other words, you are wrong.

[@ditttch]

$700 a month for 2 kids? He’s getting off easily. Thats not much for 2 kids

[@chazzkramer7676]

The comments are outstanding!

[@hectordelgadillo9952]

i completely understand and i agree with Dave Ramsey, every man should take care of their kids financially, and if you don't you are not a man to me, only problem i have is with the child support percentage rules, if i as a man make 50k a month how in the hell would 2 babies need 12k a month? that's a lot more than enough to pay for basic and essential needs for the kids

[@paulej]

Extend this logically. If this woman is clearing $90K/yr after taxes, why demand the guy making $33K/yr pay? The amount of money he could contribute each month is paltry compared to the amount she gets handed to her by taxpayers for free each month. This guy earns $2880/mo, which is hardly enough to live on and she wants to take 25% of it. This isn't about meeting the needs of the kids. This is outright abuse of a human being.

[@mikebeach9331]

I can agree to Dave for a man to pay 25% when you’re making only so much money. If you’re pulling an upper 6 figure or 7 figure salary. I don’t see why a mother would need 25% . . . Even at $250K take home. The mom now needs $60K+? Ridiculous. Maybe someone can open my mind.

[@raiden031]

It's not about need. They want the children to maintain their old lifestyle

[@raiden031]

Also 25% is a lot more detrimental to the finances of a lower income earner

[@majorlagg9321]

I'm sure he was more than happy to do this without lawyers.

[@MrOisJustLiving]

Calling this man a scumbag when you don’t even know him? You want to talk about what a man is? Men don’t use emotionalism to give advice. Insulting this man based only on what the wife is saying is bad form.

[@chuckiedavidson719]

If he gets 50/50 then she may pay him child support. I have my kids 55 percent and i still pay her child support because i make more than her

[@sasukesuite1]

I will still never understand why women continue to choose guys that they know are no good for them. All the actual good men in the world and they intentionally make life hard for themselves.

[@hvaball150]

Nature of the beast.

[@nickgarcia4988]

He should be getting alimony. Cause being old school is the man taking care of his kids which im 100% for, but she should be maintaining him since she makes almost triple the income