You Need This Tool - Episode 59 | Muffler And Exhaust Pipe Expander

[@americawhereareyou]

5:32 of telling us we need this tool... 0:00 of actually showing the took working.

[@ricardomierz8467]

Yup, the sign of a Narcissist... Yadda, yadda, yadda.. Look at me, I'm mommy's little goober. 🤣 😝

[@hxhdfjifzirstc894]

Yep, this is the most useless video I've ever seen. I already know what the fuck it is. That's why I searched for it. I want to see the tool in use, and this dumbfuck didn't show even two seconds of that. What a moron.

[@TheDankh]

I think I've watched too many of these... I now greet my family every friday morning with: "It's Friday, Fooools!". My 3 kids just give me a blank stare. Lol- It's great.

[@TheMick26]

Spitwadz Haha. I know the look you're talkin' about. 😉 My crowd gets to watch this segment with me every Friday after work. They know they like it.😆

[@Thefabforums]

lol....I am guilty of randomly yelling it my self

[@TheMick26]

The Fab Forums It is a great hook! 👍Pretty cool to coin a phrase and know other people are using it. I wonder if it'll work on a Friday night with the wife? Wish me luck, Kyle. 😆

[@ClumsyGamerGuy]

haha same I always tell people"IT'S FRIDAY FOOL" An I watch with my wife an always nail the intro she tells me I watch to much

[@paidintheshade]

Spitwadz same!

[@scottb8175]

I've never seen useable results on steel pipe from using an exhaust pipe expander like these or even the small hydraulic ones. The ones the pro exhaust shops use are large powerful hydraulic ones that cost $tens of thousands$. It takes much more force than any of these DIY tools can handle to stretch steel. The best tool to expand pipe is actually a roller forming tool, and you aren't getting that in a neat little blow molded plastic case from the local automotive store. The only practical purpose of the type of tools shown here is to straighten dented or slightly crushed pipe back to the original diameter.

[@robertsothmann8110]

Yeah, tried this exact 'made in China' model 2x on thin walled 304...and broke the expansion pieces both times. useless.

[@sly50gt]

I have that kit and the first time i tried to use it on stainless i broke one of the expanders because it wasnt FULLY inside the pipe. so word of advice, always lube the threads on the center rod, spray a little WD40 or PB blaster on it prior to use and ALWAYS make sure its fully inserted inside the pipe, even if you dont plan to use the whole expanded section or if you have too much, just cut it off afterwards. (this also goes for mild steel).

[@Thefabforums]

+sly5.0gt yeah now after the fact I would probably only recommend this thing for aluminum

[@trsskater]

I don't think lubing the thread is a good idea. I stead of you struggling to go farther and stopping because you have to try to hard to get it to continue turning instead you are able to put more force into the the device which will lead to you breaking it when you have gone too far. If the thread needs lube to turn on a hand you are likely going to break something even if it's a rusted bolt it can be dangerous without heating it first to break the rust off cause expansions so it can easily turn.

[@JohnnyBLC]

Actually, we already know who this week's tool is ...

[@ricardomierz8467]

😁😁😁😝... Good one! 👍

[@hachi-rokuperformancegroup3987]

I have a set and for $20 on ebay its helped a lot going from stainless to regular exhaust pipe. I used the small one to expand the stainless pipe on my motorcycle and the mid size on my cars stainless pipe. Use of impact is a must.

[@Thefabforums]

thats awesome

[@primesourcer]

That expander is not used for that purpose. It is only used to expand a piece of pipe that has been installed previously and was dented where the clamp compressed it. It removes the dent from where the clamp was so whatever piece of exhaust your trying to reuse can be salvaged. Unless your just joking, I thought everyone already new @t? Most motorheads catch on to this at about ten years old.

[@gymkhanadog]

I tried using this tool on a standard steel exhaust pipe last weekend. I had to put the tool in a vice and use a 20" breaker bar on the end of the nut to actually expand the pipe. It should really be called a pipe _flaring_ tool.

[@Thefabforums]

yeah the hydro attachment is really the only way to use it

[@blah-hg3cz]

So did you ever use an impact wrench on the tool? Because I don't see any aluminum exhaust pipe readily available.

[@jake-hy2zb]

It's later....thank you! I've had one of these for many years. It really does help. On another note. You must get tired of these on occasion. As you said, coming up with another glorious episode, must be brain wearing. We appreciate you effort for sure.

[@Thefabforums]

Yeah its tough because I want to try and bring you guys goooood stuff....not just any old

[@mikeashford9240]

Nice tool but you did not show the tool being used other then that a great tool and I can hear you and most videos I turn off because I cant hear the person talking ...

[@billschneider8392]

hey Kyle have you ever heard of a heat inductor? flameless torch? I love mine. you should check it!

[@Thefabforums]

I think I have seen those but never used one.....you have a link?

[@billschneider8392]

Everytime I demo this tool for my friends or buddies,they're blown away by it. Having the ability to torch any bolt or metal part to a cherry red color but a push of a button. Not having to take apart the car worried I may burn it to the ground. "Everyone's fear with torches". All the coils are completely flexible as well to get to the hard to reach bolts/nuts. They sell a kit as well with all the attachments. This is literally one of my favorite tools.

[@dougbeckwith768]

I am emailing the company now to see if they will send you a free one to put in your VLOG.

[@dougbeckwith768]

Hey, I have repaired industrial size induction heaters for making router bits, we would run florescent tubes along the leads to find cracks in our conductor , I wonder if your handheld unit will light a small florescent tube?

[@Thefabforums]

That thing is cool.....very interesting!

[@b_wilk98]

Could you possibly expand a ball socket flange with this tool? I ordered a new y pipe for my truck and the ball socket flanges don't exactly fit together all that well...one end is too small.

[@The66Restomod]

I used this very set two weeks ago, bought on ebay for about $20. Worked fine on aluminized 1 3/4 pipe to expand the muffler outlet about a quarter inch to better fit a new tailpipe that was incorrectly sized by Shafer's. The expander needs to be lubed to expand freely; insert the expander fully so that you are not just expanding the edge of the pipe; use an impact to save effort.

[@Thefabforums]

Glad it worked for you. I have had some say they didnt work very well. I have since been only recommending for use with aluminum

[@ToplessTattoo]

Amazing tool... till it breaks. Working on my truck exhaust and the part that moves out and fits against the tubing... broke. The end broke off? Then just to show me who is boss... another one broke off. I wanna see this thing work on real exhaust tubing! Not aluminum!

[@krusher74]

what do you expect if its the $30 chinese one?

[@trevorgriffith8994]

Hi you've not been using it correctly. N dt use any impact pwr tools on it either. Strictly manual.

[@SnyderTools]

Soo much like unbox therapy! Makes me laugh!! From the thumbnail to the clothes to his mannerisms!!

[@Fkidd702]

Fuck inbox therapy . .

[@All-Terrain-turtle]

Hey Voss, try these on some steel before you can't return them. I've killed two sets. mild steel seems to kill them and especially titanium.

[@patw52pb1]

Use lots of quality lube. Make sure all of the threads are well lubed before using. We have found that dipping the entire expander in high quality 15W-40 full synthetic oil before using it and lubing the inside of the pipe helps make the entire job easier and prolong the life of the expanders. It is messy but well worth it. With lube we currently get about 30-80 uses before needing replacement depending on the pipe/tube material and wall thickness and the operator... we have one guy that is talented enough he can completely destroy a solid steel cannon ball in seconds. ;) Titanium and Inconel are the toughest to expand.

[@Thefabforums]

I have heard that and since added a note in the description say that I basically only recommend these for aluminum

[@ianwilds3139]

Patience is key..you must not try to get it all in one pass but instead slowly expand the pipe.

[@Italianborn]

Fo you think using this tool will it be enough to stick both pipe and keep them tight with a clamp ? Will it hold ? And how do you grease that tool ?

[@whatevericall]

Thanks for finally getting a Friday video to me on a Friday. Even if it is 11pm. Cheers mate

[@tedtheodorelogan5993]

I'm in Northern California and it's 7am. I realize your on the other side of the globe but I get these usually before I head to my shop.

[@Thefabforums]

cheers

[@DinasGarage]

Kyle thanks for the videos! It doesn't have to be tools that people have not seen or known about. Every single tool that is useful deserves exposure. Without them you couldn't do all of what you do

[@Thefabforums]

thanks for watching

[@GaryPanttila]

Do you have to tighten the nut down on top first? I got mine in and when I turn the handle it all just spins so I'm wondering if ypu take the snap ring out screw the bolt down. I'm building the exhaust on my c10 and this tool will help alot if I can figure it out...thank you

[@Thefabforums]

+Gary Panttila you have you hold it so it won't spin until it has enough tension to hold it self

[@GaryPanttila]

ill give it a try thank you for getting back to me i was worried there was something wrong with it

[@GaryPanttila]

It broke on me yesterday i was laying into it building my exhaust and the teeth just snapped lol definitely think aluminum would be more perfect for use. i went to the exhaust shop and they had my pipes expanded in seconds with their tool. Thanks for your episodes

[@alialdoseri7053]

oh man you always bring useful stuff special for the people who work at home alone on weekends, I can't thank you enough but every time I use of the tools you introduced on your show I say thank you for your help.

[@Thefabforums]

thanks

[@specialized29er86]

wel-blt here's a tip Mig weld on the end nuts as the cheaper expanders tend to turn under extreme pressure.

[@ChevySS1968]

These expanders work great for RESTORING steel exhaust pipes to original roundness, after they've been distorted by clamps or whatever. But they don't work much for EXPANDING a pipe.

[@Thefabforums]

yeah

[@ChevySS1968]

Not trying to bust your chops at all. I appreciate you taking the time to do these videos. Very entertaining and informative. Thank you!

[@Thefabforums]

no problem

[@chancegeorge5583]

They work well on steel pipe. I wouldn't use an impact wrench though. Make sure to lube the threads too because I stripped mine out the first try.

[@Thefabforums]

After some feedback I probably wouldn't recommend them for anything other than aluminum

[@diymechanic1655]

we use these at work to line up a short section of 2-1/4 stainless pipe with a flared hole for welding. works perfect

[@Thefabforums]

+diy mechanic that's a great idea

[@laadklepbediening]

nice tool, thanx for showing!

[@joeseptien2182]

Will these work on an exhaust tip that was bent due to a steep driveway? It's just the edge bent in a little

[@Thefabforums]

maybe...they are not that powerful

[@theroyalcrownedtiger2946]

I've used one recently, out of the two collars, the collar at the back split into two half pieces, so it seems to be not that sturdy, and I've read the manual and did just that. ( All else is good, but the one collar ). The one I used is branded as Oem tools.

[@TheMick26]

I've thought about buying one of these for a few years, but have been put off by the negative reviews of the ones, I've seen. Everyone can't afford the hydraulic machines like the ones used in muffler shops. It seems like there would have to be something in the middle between $30 and $8000, but I haven't found it yet. Lol! I've heard the style you featured today was better for making out of round tubing round again. Either way, I still love your channel, this segment, and appreciate what you do, Kyle! Have a good one, brother! 🙋

[@Thefabforums]

+TheMick26 yeah I probably should ha e done some more testing. I would now say this thing would only be good for aluminum

[@blah5533]

It's about as much use as a one legged man at an arse kicking competition.

[@jorginofingal4267]

Hey Kyle how about torque wrench ? Which one is a good one

[@Thefabforums]

good idea....let me do some research

[@SpyderTom1]

Thanks, I have a couple of mufflers that are a hair too tight for the pipes to slide in. Either this works or I cut 3/4 inch off of a brand new set of pipes, either way it will be done by the end of the weekend. I hope this gets me the well under a 1/32 I need inside the muffler.

[@hxhdfjifzirstc894]

A 'hair' too tight? Use sandpaper, buddy.

[@joshbeck289]

Will it do 1.5”

[@jarodmorris611]

"The 10mm socket". I know all of you have seen these in the wild, but generally, once you see them out of the package, they run for cover under some table somewhere never to be seen again. Here is what a standard 10mm socket looks like. I like to put a zip tie through them and hook it to my jeans until I need it and then immediately reattach it once I'm finished with it, otherwise, it does what is natural to it and it disappears."

[@ExperiencesAndEquipment]

I just got one yesterday, didn't know it wasn't for expanding it like a clamp on exhaust. It worked well for making the edge able to be welded, but I didn't know, so I butt welded the pipe and it took forever.

[@miskone1044]

was wondering when you'd run out of tools for this segment haha. that's mad cheap for this kit though! very handy

[@Thefabforums]

I still have some good ones in the pipeline :)

[@jamespeacock5338]

When are one of your hats going to be available again.

[@Thefabforums]

I am gonna have some more in the next few weeks.

[@hhhjikk8526]

Could this work on header 3’ pipe?

[@doughubble2816]

Does that kit have a die that expands 1" pipe. Could it expand emt conduit

[@danielbeller7400]

I just ordered that a week ago can't wait

[@Thefabforums]

sweet. I hope they work well for you.

[@adrianguirola6791]

The Fab Forums it's interesting, yesterday I was searching for two thing, the exhaust expander generic and the flaring tool from eastwood I think you already feature that one or was Erick the car guy. good tools. keep up with the good ideas

[@danielbeller7400]

I heard if you rotate the stainless and do a little bit at a time it's fine but then again I don't have mine as of yet and it's not that exact kit.

[@Thefabforums]

Thanks...Some have said this expander is probably not the best for steel so keep that in mind before you purchase

[@77xlchop]

hey VOSS, can you do a Friday tool for a broke ass fool?

[@TheMick26]

xl chop LOL! 😂

[@cesarconh895]

Zip ties

[@TheMick26]

CesarConH Good one! And don't forget the duct tape.😉

[@alcyr5655]

LOL, I call duct tape Saskatchewan chrome. I keep seeing an older Mustang GT convertible, 1/2 the roof is duct tape. Must work great because he's been running like that for over a year.

[@Thefabforums]

lol....what would that be?

[@caseycole6667]

thankx for showing how it work.

[@Thefabforums]

No problem!

[@robertford1329]

I heat the pipe up with a rosebud then use the tool, works great, just don't insert the second rubber band into the tube as the first one will most likely burn off quickly but you get a great expanded piece of pipe

[@Thefabforums]

I think I may have a fix for this kit

[@robertford1329]

That will definitely be worthy of another video, thanks

[@DonaldByrd1970]

Good Job well done Mr. Voss. I like how you explained the use of the pipe expander.

[@Thefabforums]

+Donald Byrd thanks

[@carlosvalladares7757]

Can you expand muffler tips with it?

[@Thefabforums]

+Carlos Valladares yeah but it doesnt work very well

[@MrWasjoe]

All tools are not created equal. and to many times we go through three tools to find what works the best. sure you've been their. you could all ways give your story of one of those tools.

[@Thefabforums]

yeah this one is a prime example

[@blazn7t1]

DUDE!!!!!!! thanks for posting this vid i need one of these SO bad lol

[@Thefabforums]

no problem

[@meh6953]

Thanks Foo! The video was great.

[@MrSlipknotsoulfly]

I have one that I tried to use on aluminized pipe and it absolutely wouldn't work. Once it started getting tight, I couldn't hold the pipe still. I put the pipe in a vise and used an impact and it just stripped the bolt that it comes with. Maybe there are different and better brands but whatever I had was garbage. Love your show though. I hope to see you get more sponsorship.

[@Thefabforums]

Oh really...that sucks

[@kh155]

I had the exact same issue! I was also using what I thought was thin walled aluminized pipe from Autozone but I guess it wasn't thin enough...stripped the bolt right out with my impact!

[@patw52pb1]

We have found using lots of high quality lube such as full synthetic 15W-40, not using impact and not going too deep (several steps about of about 3/4 inch) helps make the job easier and prolong the tool life, even for the China units. Never use without adequate lube even once, it will be irreparably damaged and will fail miserably. Just completely dip the entire expander in the oil, it is extremely important to have all of the threads (internal and external) and all of the sliding wedges coated with oil. Use a chain type (plumbers) vise to hold the tubing/pipe, used properly it does not damage the pipe/tubing. OTC/SPX and Lisle make decent made in the USA units, but they are slightly more expensive. There are hydraulic units available, however they are usually more than 10x the cost.

[@Thefabforums]

Thanks for the insight

[@Thefabforums]

I have put a note in the description of the video to make people aware the tool may not be as good as you would think

[@ThisOldMan-ya472]

The expander is too long, which causes 2 major issues: 1) if not fully inserted, you get a bell-mouth pipe. 2) when fully inserted it is possible to either break the tool, or strip threads.

[@Wrenchlife604]

Those pipe expanders suck for exhaust pipe. Herd several bad reviews frlm that style. Herd lisle makes a good pipe expander that eill even do stainless.

[@Thefabforums]

Yeah I have since heard bad things....you have a link for the other one?

[@Thefabforums]

Yeah I have since heard bad things....you have a link for the other one?

[@Wrenchlife604]

Search lisle 17350 thats the full kit that will do all tge way up to like 5" pipe but they make lisle li34400 which is what most people use for 2.5" and under. Herd it will also do stainless. You need an impact gun and a big socket tho. Think you could review it?

[@ShowMeThePony]

www.amazon.com/dp/B005ADY8V4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_GhQZyb3PVVATM

[@Clem_Kadidlehopper]

Wrench life 604 they suck in general unless you heat the pipe then expand it a bit at the end and drive it back a bit. I have wrenched in shops since 91 and never did a shop use these. Fact a guy had one and was bragging how it makes it all easy. he busted the bolt first use. Don't count on it really doing much.

[@kriswwashburn]

Seeing the result of the "expansion" of your pipe, it seems you had the same issue I did with mine... these things pretty much suck.

[@Thefabforums]

Yeah unless you retro fit to work with hydro

[@iivv_nn]

Muffler shops don't slip then weld. They weld them by tacking them first then welding. They only expand the pipes to mate to different sized pipes. How much time wasted if they slip joint every job.

[@tommanley2924]

They are just missed labeled for the real use Mr. Voss.....IMHO I used them to round out replacement pipe female slip couplings that are a little oval-ed, ding up during shipping or just plain flat spotted due to shelf time and stacking weight. Forget about expanding any 1" to 1 1/4" as and example, it's a pipe dream fool.....LOL.

[@eliduman2322]

I came here because I wanted to find a legitimate pipe stretcher purely in the name of satire

[@treeguyable]

Had one in my tool box for like 30 yrs, just for emergencies, not too great for everyday use.

[@pbmachines972]

Nice one Kyle . Hey man I have been a fabricator/welder all my life for a living that is I have a few tools in mind

[@Thefabforums]

feel free to shoot me some suggestions. [e-mail]

[@Savineyard3]

High I'm in need of a T304 slip-fit 12 inch long S BEND exhaust pipe with one end in a 2.5 inch diameter size to slip fit and the other end measuring 3 inches which will be TIG Welded to a 3 inch catalytic converter. The S Bend I need is only a inch difference to move the pipe over by a inch. So it's not much of a S Bend.

[@jerryblankenship9908]

My expander broke the bolt I could two of them & they broke

[@scottsimmons5846]

its called "tube swagging"

[@4x4MadnessNZ]

i just brought a set they are actually for fixing kinks in exhausts that are from using exhaust clamps. i tried expanding some stainless tube and the tool just shattered haha 90 bucks down the drain hahaha

[@intel2you]

most pipe Expander dont expand pipe they just expand how much trash tools are in the trash can. if you want one that work with out braking buy a snap-on and if it dose brake they give ya a free one. iv have had 30 or more of these over the years. Lisle is the company that made this tool and are good to and make the snap-on\blue point and you want the expander with roller bearing and it will be the only and last one ya buy. hope that helps yas out

[@Thefabforums]

yeah I just converted mine to hydraulic...works amazing and no worries of braking it

[@SoFLaZ06]

great tool, appreciate the vid

[@Thefabforums]

thanks

[@deanyanko3326]

how bout inserting an inside diameter sleeve and weld/clamp

[@joeh1940]

I was looking at the same kit but seen bad reviews on it..

[@Thefabforums]

+Joe hardwick yeah I thinks probably only good for aluminum

[@muhammadfirdaus3968]

how much this toll with shipping to malaysia

[@Thefabforums]

no idea

[@overbuiltautomotive1299]

i destroyed a H.F set with my millennial fuel 18 volt.s impact on oem gm tubing i think it was...some of that old gm tubing is strong tubing

[@el_kuks]

These tools are not imact grade :)

[@francovanjaarsveld7683]

thanks for another vid

[@soloM81]

installing ls3 into a 1964 impala The Fab Forums what tools do I need to install my exhaust manifolds to the exhaust pipes

[@Thefabforums]

I am not sure

[@jazbuh1794]

Just used mine to replace pipe on my ride.. agreed makes for much easier welds.

[@shawness93]

Worthless video, didn't use it once showing what he's claiming.

[@MrTimdtoolman1]

Great tool Kyle !!

[@WayneModz]

Starts at 01:47

[@DelCalloway]

I like the ANASTASIA font your use for your logo... I use the same one for my 6ft cinema sign in my house. :)

[@Thefabforums]

I dont think its Anastasia....may be close though

[@DelCalloway]

Well that's what they call the one I use, I just noticed the "A". I'm sure if it happens to be the same font they probably have different names for it. I love the font.

[@DelCalloway]

img.photobucket.com/albums/v375/InfiniteReality/CallowayCinema/CallowayCinemaSignIlluminated/IMG_0802.jpg

[@sinformant]

already own a set. bought it when I built the exhaust on my car.

[@Thefabforums]

cool....they work pretty well for you?

[@sinformant]

The Fab Forums yeah, one got stuck in the end of the pipe once expanded, but some taps with a hammer and a bar got it knocked loose.

[@polipochilegge]

extremely interesting! didnt know about this

[@patrickmann7455]

Word of advice is do not buy one they do not work, you tried it on aluminium how many exhaust are made of aluminium if you are going to a post do it with steel i know who the fool is

[@hoov100]

This is my first time watching this guy and I now have an appointment for chemo... These expanders suck ass and they LOOOOVVVEEEE to break.

[@DjCBlaq]

slick. I never knew how they did that.

[@劉孟宏]

Hey I'm from Taiwan,I wanna buy it , can you deliver to Taiwan ? Or any shop can sell it to me Thx

[@overbuiltautomotive1299]

heck they are made in chaina or may be the good ones in your country look on web for a manufacturer

[@megabassbennylippo3760]

Tried those on stainless and they just cracked

[@ASEWorldClassTech]

use the Lisle 17350. These $22 3 piece kits are junk. But thanks for the video. You wanna show them a tool that'll blow their mind. Show em' a Mini Ductor Venom.... I got one because i live in New England and the bs they put on the roads rusts sheeit like crazy. But between that and turbo sockets I'm good to go...

[@Thefabforums]

Yeah the threaded sections suck....I just use mine with a hyrdo ram

[@oby-1607]

I like expanding the ol' pipe the conventional way. The ol' pipe doesn't really like the butt welds.

[@aayesher9400]

Could you expand on this a bit more

[@ansharahshahid3720]

How much for india

[@constroibemlaudecy1859]

Como comprar um equipamento desse

[@littlemike904]

Tool companies should send you tools for your videos and get endorsement from you and your viewers I've seen they have done it few times which is a great idea.SEND HIM SOME TOOLS FOOLS

[@Thefabforums]

+Michael Alan I agree...;)

[@staceyfink5750]

??? - might consider actually using it in the video

[@King87brougham51]

Thanks

[@amhcanadaltd4026]

Check out the Blue Boy portable end expander on our page mate! ;) Thats a long lasting tool for ya! 100% made in CANADA

[@ChadFreeman757]

There are people that have never seen or heard of pipe expanders...?

[@xforthiethxbirdx1168]

Bro ain’t even take the tool out the box

[@tungxiong3917]

You rock

[@Thebassguru84]

hmmmm this could be useful, but don't want to buy it and not work

[@Thefabforums]

Yeah you may want another set unless you plan to use it just for aluminum

[@MoseyOnout]

As soon as somebody tries to take the liberty of telling me what I "NEED". I change the channel. Show me the product and let me decide if I need it.. Just a quick sales tip.

[@Thefabforums]

Cool...this channel is only for those that care what I think

[@haroldsendra7767]

Junk, don't waste your money on em. They're cheaply made out of cast metal.

[@polipochilegge]

reading comments i think this tool would benefit from a more accurate review after using it some time

[@Thefabforums]

+Mr.xxxxxxxxxx17 yeah now after the fact I would probably only recommend this tool for aluminum.....

[@goatmoag]

trash. Get a Lisle like 17350 Pipe Stretcher Kit. You can get one for less than $100 and you can hook hydraulics up to it too. I've had several of these and they just don't hold up. Either the treads give out or the slates break. And that is just after a short time. If you are really set to have a cheap one, get one of the ones that you use a hammer on.

[@Thefabforums]

yeah I have the Lisle setup with hydro

[@notelling8240]

You'd be better off using a campbell's soup can and a hose clamp then buy this piece of shit and expect it to last. Absolute Junk.