You're Not Ready for Martinfish

[@Mamenber]

Here's a horrifying idea: Stockfish whenever you're winning, Martin whenever you're losing

[@iwantcheckmate]

Haha that would be quite a mental challenge

[@samuels1123]

Believe that's the mittens behavior controller, except with mittens it's variable

[@asdfqwerty14587]

I think that would be very easy to win to be honest. Even without any exploits, the problem is that as soon as the player blunders martin will always take over and not take advantage of the blunder - after all, stockfish will calculate the position as being very advantageous the moment the player makes the blunder even before they've actually punished it, which would prevent them from ever punishing it. If you were trying to game it, then the play is probably to just blunder your queen early (and it's fine if they don't take it, just as long as it's being blundered each turn), and then wait for Martin to blunder checkmate without trying to capture their pieces.

[@UnemployedINC]

Isn’t that just the adaptive bots?

[@Froggy_STR33MS-TTV]

That’s like a back and forth game

[@GrumpyIan]

I like to believe Stockfish was yelling at Martin for throwing the game.

[@iwantcheckmate]

Hahaha probably!

[@emmad8531]

I played something similar to this in real life. We called it "chaotic agent chess" and the idea was you have a third player who plays every third move. This means that there is an alternating pattern where the third player switches between taking the turn of the 2 players. The pattern is ABCBAC repeating (if A and B are the 2 standard players) so each player gets 2 moves in a row by themselves where the chaotic agent plays in between those moves for their opponent, which makes actual strategy around trying to manipulate the agent and playing in ways where you can't be too hurt by the chaotic agent trying to equalize the playing field by sacrificing your pieces or just blundering them. This worked well because the third player didn't actually know anything about chess so he was just playing based on aesthetics and his emotions.

[@iwantcheckmate]

This is a really cool idea! Maybe in the future if I play with viewers we can do something like this

[@okokowie92i2]

Martin ate stockfish and became martin fish🤯🤯

[@iwantcheckmate]

This may be the case!!

[@theartificialidiot6276]

Incorrect, Stockfish ate Martin

[@dmlsjsjsidishde]

​@@theartificialidiot6276 i reported you for condoning child abuse and spreading misinformation

[@cobalius]

@@okokowie92i2 or the stockfish has bitten him and he's halfday smart, like, being a werestockfish and the days move quicker

[@Shisiiii]

Video idea: play against Martin but make him play the opening only, then switch to playing stockfish. I think waching stockfish trying to save the position would be interesting

[@iwantcheckmate]

I agree! Maybe the first 10 moves or so would be interesting

[@nachoman300]

​​@@iwantcheckmatethis might be hard to set up but what if it starts as Martin, then the bot's elo rating gradually increases by 150 every turn until it reaches stockfish level after like 20 turns

[@yiyangdeng9626]

martinfish but they take random turns and you don't know who's playing😇

[@iwantcheckmate]

I like this idea :)

[@Inthebeasl]

Challenge: play against martin, but you take a piece off the board until you lose

[@iwantcheckmate]

Sweet idea

[@Inthebeasl]

@@iwantcheckmatethanks

[@longlivethe9989]

You'd soon find out that you can draw Martin with a lone king if you simply avoid M1/M2

[@tricky83]

Martin did a fusion dance 💀💀

[@ineophobe]

martin is too powerful for anyone to understand, he is playing 4d chess but unfortunately all his pieces aren't on this plane

[@Coopdog0108]

Stockfish probably shouting “you idiot!” Like that one competitive teammate.

[@vitulus_]

It would be interesting to create a stockfish-like bot which tries to play the best possible moves GIVEN that every second move is martin. For example, at the start it might not have traded because there is a risk Martin would just leave the bishop hanging.

[@iwantcheckmate]

That would be extremely cool. Even better if they could banter hahahaha

[@SchoolProject7-6]

You should make it a random 50/50 chance for it to be either stockfish or Martin play.

[@LiminalBridges]

This may have already been suggested, but blind MartinFish where there’s a 50% chance each turn it’s Martin/SF and you don’t know who, so what looks like a Martin blunder could be a Stockfish strategy or vice versa 😊

[@iwantcheckmate]

I like this idea quite a lot :)

[@pratham2333]

Dude, have you done youtube before this? Your voiceover is really really good and your content ideas are really great which always makes me click on your video and your voiceover keeps me hooked throughout the video.

[@iwantcheckmate]

Thanks! :D I had a little Lego channel when I was younger but rn I teach chess so that may be why I have the announcer voice hahaha

[@GrumpyIan]

@@iwantcheckmate "I teach chess " I knew this was GothamChess's second channel!!!

[@MrXelaim]

Martinfish at random, you don't know which one played.

[@jarednorton5797]

It would be interesting to see this same style but with a randomized swap between Martin and Stockfish. Basically flipping a coin between each turn to determine control. That way you might get unlucky and go against multiple stockfish turns in a row or you might get super lucky and scholars mate Martin. The randomized aspect would keep you from playing into a guaranteed Martin turn like you did here. Great video all the same though. Thanks!

[@iwantcheckmate]

Good point! I’ll make it a future video

[@DoubtX]

I feel like Martinfish with two queens might be interesting

[@iwantcheckmate]

I agree. Good idea!

[@BasedIfTrue]

Highly underrated chess channel. Your future is bright. Unlike my chess career

[@iwantcheckmate]

Thank you :) and haha

[@cheesewizard9656]

this is like that one episode of rick and morty where rick and jerry combine their minds

[@llamaelitista]

now one move for martin, two for stockfish.

[@iwantcheckmate]

Good idea

[@АринаКалугина-ч6р]

Nice video as always! :) You're one of my favourite chess creators already XD Challenge idea: play against Martin. You premove 5 moves, then you play 5 moves normally, then premove 5 moves again and make 5 moves normally - I guess you get it ;) If your premoves are stopped by a check, you lose 😁

[@iwantcheckmate]

Thank you :) And good idea! I think some premove challenges would be cool in the future

[@Platinum_Pickle]

Bro missed a free rook with a discovered check from the bishop

[@CuriosityAnswered]

Ah yes. Basically martin the mermaid guy...

[@iwantcheckmate]

He’s in his mermaid era

[@drdca8263]

Merman

[@victorfinberg8595]

yes, YOU should be able to crush this bot. just keep track of which persona is making the next move, and set up blunder possibilities

[@Laezar1]

Went about how I expected lol I wonder if it would be harder if it was martin + an actual grandmaster though, cause even if the grandmaster is weaker than stockfish they can play around martin's blunders, while stockfish is going to make very longterm plans and have them completely foiled by martin. Actually I even wonder if it'd be harder if you reduce the depth of stockfish so it only looks at good moves in the immediate future!

[@iwantcheckmate]

Interesting point! They do cancel each other out a lot so it might make it stronger

[@sitfish1113]

This is like Glados with a wheatley core

[@OmegaF.]

Is martin ..... a fishman all along 💀

[@iwantcheckmate]

He’s not even in his final form

[@iswearimaperson]

I believe F6 by Martin was to prevent the dark squared bishop from attacking the trapped rook. However, he probably just though 'ooooh me like pawn'. We'll never know.

[@nicolekelley2155]

When Martin has to much sushi:

[@iwantcheckmate]

He gets fishy!!

[@LostKin69]

This was fun. You should consider doing a bot climb this way. Elani fish, Oliver fish, Aron fish, until you lose one

[@iwantcheckmate]

This is a great idea, and thank you

[@someoneme7057]

Idea: Play against Stockfish. You are allowed to have Martin make a move instead of SF. Your goal is to minimize the number of Martin moves needed to win.

[@JB-xm7is]

Martinfish huh... Feels like combo of magnus and me😂

[@iwantcheckmate]

Hahaha he’s one of a kind

[@Kidd-In-Charge]

6:55 Is Rook c8 not the same checkmate in this position? Ignore the attack on the bishop, the king is still double attacked

[@bcsa8079]

Nah king can take the rook. I’ve miss that on the first look too

[@ArthurGenius]

Finally, Martin fighting back

[@iwantcheckmate]

He’s evolving!!!!

[@Evilpengwinz78]

Instead of Martin playing every move, is it possible to make Martin play every 3rd/4th/5th move etc. until you lose?

[@iwantcheckmate]

Yes, and it’s something I’ll experiment with soon!

[@Gamesofkings66778]

Idea: Play Against Magnus But Whenever u need help you Use stockfish 17

[@swag-mexico-gucci]

I would be curious to see this same matchup with you on the black pieces

[@iwantcheckmate]

Good idea

[@calmelbourne]

I think it would be cool to have the engine be randomly chosen between Stockfish and Martin each move (maybe 60/40 or 70/30 if 50/50 is too easy). You may need another person giving you the moves, but if you didn’t know which engine did it then it might be interesting trying to figure out if Martin’s sacs are actually genius Stockfish moves

[@iwantcheckmate]

I LIKE THIS IDEA

[@usmc11211]

I feel like Martin undid every strategy that Stockfish was trying to cook up. Maybe every 2 moves use stockfish and every 3rd move, use Martin.

[@Matrackobra]

Stockfish feels so much pain looking at Martin making moves

[@iwantcheckmate]

He literally said ‘take back’ on one of Martins moves 😭

[@Aaa93281]

M A R T I N F I S H

[@Pooltheactual]

3:17 why not queen d4, protects both pawns and if the pawn takes you take with bishop winning the rook? edit: im blind

[@Rockvr340]

Knight takes queen

[@pook21M]

I wonder what the minimum dilution of stockfish is that you could still beat like if Martin played one out of four moves would that be enough? anyways great video as usual.

[@iwantcheckmate]

Thanks! I’m curious about that as well, I may turn this into a mini series.

[@contreras._.]

martinfish vs stockfish

[@LunorGG]

6:58 why didn’t you play rook takes h7 check and then take the free knight?

[@iwantcheckmate]

If I played Rxh7+, the knight takes the bishop undoing the check. That would still win a pawn, but I wanted to play for checkmate. Good question :)

[@HanSlukas1]

You should do this but with worstfish instead of Martin

[@timperkin9]

Somebody should make random martinfish where it's a 50 50 chance which will play the next move and that info isn't revealed to the player until after they respond to the move So you might respond to what you think is a nonsense Martin move and then immediately realize that it was actually a super deep stockfish move

[@iwantcheckmate]

That’s a hilarious and kind of scary idea. I’ll find a way to implement it

[@Mr_melon123-p2b]

Acculy really impressive even that is really hard

[@arkfille]

3:33 this makes me think it would be interesting to see a game where every turn black has a 50/50 being played either by stockfish or Martin but you don't know which, you would not know if those unconventional moves are seeing some fourth dimension outplay or just Martin being Martin

[@lgl1313]

I think if martin had a random (between 10 to 30% let's say) chance of playing the move the game would be pretty interesting as well

[@lucasw_3671]

7:40 I think it is because you could have sacrificed both of your rooks on c8 and then moved your knight to c7# which: if the rook takes then you win a rook for a knight, or if the rook doesn’t take and instead the king moves then you have a discovered attack by moving the knight away and the bishop will see the king

[@lucasw_3671]

nvm this loses material I’m dumb

[@PatrickMettchen]

Now you can make a series out of this. How many moves can Stockfish make in a row between the sabotage of Martin untill you loose the game 😅

[@iwantcheckmate]

Yes! Martinfish miniseries!

[@Vp_ts]

Should do this but stockfish plays 3 moves Martin plays 1 or something similar

[@sajdak1279]

THANKS FOR SHOWING USGAME REVIEW

[@iwantcheckmate]

YOU GOT IT HAHA

[@marwanwxz]

gothamchess type of content, i see

[@PizzaTimeFanatic]

This video was hilarious!

[@Paradox3121]

Spoilerfish: Play against Stockfish until you're losing, then switch to Martin until he blunders, then give it back to Stockfish and see if it can recover

[@iwantcheckmate]

Hahaha sounds like stockfish torture

[@Tdyddyydrddyw5dvrftrj6s]

You should make stockfish and worstfish alternate moves.

[@nicolekelley2155]

He should

[@joshuathrasher4562]

martin has finally asked stockfish for help and he will become half stronger?

[@iwantcheckmate]

He’s evolving, yes

[@redminote-zv7dh]

Video 3 of asking for Beat Martin without losing any piece

[@iwantcheckmate]

Haha I’ll line it up

[@OminousSilence1]

as a 1200, i have done this succesfully too. I advice you to be more aggressive when martins turn is coming up. you play way to principled for this game mode. If you take a defended pawn with a bishop (a totally losing move), there is a 90% chance martin won't even capture your bishop. You can use this all throughout the game until stockfish has no pieces left. Someone of your level could probably win if it's 3x stockfish, 1x martin (moves). In that game though, you do need to play principled, like you always do 😂 I would love to see it! experiment a bit with what i just said, I'm sure you can fish a new video out of it that I'll definitely watch!

[@iwantcheckmate]

Thanks for the advice! That makes a lot of sense as well. I’ll line something similar up for the future!

[@0xyden484]

There could be challenge mode where martin opens let say first 10 moves. Then when you win you change it to 9 moves then 8 moves etc.

[@iwantcheckmate]

Good idea :)

[@tomc.5704]

I'd be curious to see how this goes against an intermediate, or advanced bot merged with stockfish. Would it be an even matchup if you played against an engine 800 points higher and a bot 800 points lower than you merged together?

[@iwantcheckmate]

That’s a good idea!

[@farmercaid]

4:51 why not take with the pawn?

[@iwantcheckmate]

Since I’m up a piece I want to make fair trades so that we end up with kings, pawns, and my extra piece. Good question!

[@kingdaximus6423]

THE MARTIN BULLYING ERA IS BACK BABYYY!!!!!!!!

[@iwantcheckmate]

YES IT IS

[@rusclassic1]

Could you please try the same but instead of alternating SF/Martin make it random? Also, can increase the chances for stockfish until you can no longer beat it

[@iwantcheckmate]

Yes, good ideas!

[@dash4800]

I fear that making stockfish play chess with idiot AI controlling half the moves is how AI becomes sentient and takes over the world.

[@Mr.Axolotl312]

How did you get so good it’s like you can see every move they are planning

[@iwantcheckmate]

Haha I’ve been playing chess most of my life :)

[@alexknauss3858]

How many queens does Martin need to win

[@AURON2401]

Martin only needs one.

[@kedisevennoob]

Martins having a identity crisis sadly these days

[@iwantcheckmate]

His skin is looking a bit sickly!

[@MegaLegz]

Martinfish, genius lol

[@wojciechk8478]

Play against Stockfartin - 2 moves by Stockfish for every move by Martin. Then against Mockfish, 1 move by Martin and 3 moves by Stockfish

[@iwantcheckmate]

Stockfartin hahahaha yes these are good ideas

[@ColdGecko-jn7sg]

what about stockfish playing with worstfish

[@mayankthakur5341]

Ahh yess the great Fartin

[@ckingpro]

Something was definitely fishy about Martin and it had to do with the green color. How about you and Magnus bot vs Stockfish (lower depth like the bots) and see if you can hold to a draw?

[@iwantcheckmate]

Very fishy. And good idea! This could be interesting

[@mrlolkar6229]

Do swaps like now, but if you are up a material only stockfish playes, until you balance again. That would make you think twice if you take while martin blunder.

[@iwantcheckmate]

Very good point

[@goatronaldo-l9o]

Martin ate stock fish

[@iwantcheckmate]

Sadly yes

[@epicnessbrian5295]

at 2:19, why not queen b5 to get a free pawn and threaten to take the rook

[@iwantcheckmate]

After …Nd7 I’m left with either taking the pawn and attacking a protected rook or defending the bishop, so I end up helping the opponent develop. Good question!

[@DuckatNight]

How do I beat Martin

[@iwantcheckmate]

Take all of his free pieces! :)

[@imaThyst]

playing against an intermediate bot, except martin chooses your every other move?

[@iwantcheckmate]

Good idea!

[@RobloxLespro]

10:02 rook c8 is mate bc of dicovered check

[@theonlyjg__]

Nice video as always! Can I get my 14th hello?

[@iwantcheckmate]

These hellos go by quick, and here’s number 14: hello!!

[@Yewtewba]

I prefer Stock Martin

[@SergeiRachmaninoff287]

Can I get a hiya?

[@iwantcheckmate]

Hi!!!! Hahaha

[@SergeiRachmaninoff287]

Challenge: play against stockfish but you can use a certain amount of top engine moves e.g 10 to give you a chance. Maybe increase the amount until you win?

[@dhyanais]

This is so unfair. Maybe 2 moves from Stockfish and 1 from Martin (or so)...

[@iwantcheckmate]

Yes haha, Martinfish is just beginning!

[@cobalius]

lame? i mean, it's not that that you'd have to face 3000 and 100 elo, which could make a 1550 elo... it's far worse. Assuming stockfish would at most make 1 accuracy across 40 moves and martin like 15 blunders or mistakes.. it'll still be around 7~8 blunders per game and that's more like sub 800 elo play.

[@iwantcheckmate]

As others have mentioned, this is only level 1. More stockfish moves coming soon

[@victorfinberg8595]

3:00 Qc3

[@Nounou-du8te]

Lol

[@datoapriashvili5806]

Bro what the hell is Martin fish😂😂😂

[@iwantcheckmate]

Some scary thing that challenged me to a game!!

[@HriStorm_56]

the 666 likes......

[@executeOrder69]

Who is Martin and why is he that bad at chess? 😂😂

[@Leo64YT]

i was sick and currently still am so i didnt see the video early but cool idea you came up with 🫠

[@iwantcheckmate]

Thanks! I hope you feel better soon!