"You're On £60K? Why Can't You Afford lunch?" | James Whale Clashes With Junior Doctor

[@talktv]

Should junior doctors receive a 35% pay rise?

[@maisondusuave]

NOOOOOOO

[@spankhouz6466]

Haha maybe 3% like everyone else. Clowns.

[@londonman8688]

no

[@LouisaGraves-pk1qw]

It's £20 an hour that they're striking for instead of £15 per hour. It's in line with inflation & years of pay freeze & cuts. For what they do, the responsibility of life, it's fair. Waiting lists are being tackled by offering appointments in other Trusts or even NHS paid in private practice.

[@rosemarywoolley8394]

No way.

[@davehooper5115]

I earn 20,000 per year and i don't use food banks, I have a mortgage and a car. So what are people doing with their money to not be able to live on 60k??????????????????

[@Sr68720]

60 k in London is nothing

[@musheopeaus4125]

@@davehooper5115 £130,000 after training

[@peterdixon7734]

​@@Sr68720The cost of 10% of a house with no mortgage interest.

[@charley998]

@@Sr68720rubbish 60k is where you spend it ....... priorities.

[@Tee-rm3ow]

And how long did. it take u to save up for a mortgage 92 years??

[@StevanOvich61]

I worked in the NHS for over 20 years. The number of middle managers is unbelievable. The last department I worked in had sub departments with their own manager for around 5 others, sometimes with assistant managers. All they did was sit around thinking up a reason to hold another team meeting for no other reason than to justify their job. The NHS is a great institution, but the waste in non-productive staff is overwhelming.

[@lordElpus10]

Hear, hear!

[@KB_1966]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@ismaelmasso6662]

Sounds like modern corporate 🤣

[@claireward5709]

And I can heartily confirm everything you say. I also worked in the NHS for 16 years, and witnessed every management failing you have mentioned. They wasted money year in and year out, as you say sat around because most of them did precisely nothing except interfere with medical procedures of which they had no knowledge. Otherwise they had interminable meetings with no agenda, reached no decisions that would assist the hospital in question, and spent increasing amounts of funds on unnecessary equipment - in order to justify requesting more government funding every year. And last year they advertised for 500 ‘Diversity and Inclusion Managers’ at £160,000+ car - to satisfy and pander to the ridiculous ‘Woke Culture’ that is overwhelmingly fashionable at present - and inaffordably unnecessary and expensive. Typical of muddled management thinking. At taxpayers’ expense whilst the population is dying by degrees from the lack of medical staff.

[@StevanOvich61]

@claireward5709 Agree with everything you have said. The waste and overpayment for even office equipment is unbelievable. (I can't comment for specialist medical equipment). I thought a few years back, NHS Trusts were given more power to purchase from a wider base of suppliers? The last position I was in was a new department and office equipment had to be bought. We were given 2 catalogues. Both very expensive. Office chairs. As an example, 2-3 times more than had seen at local suppliers. I asked if I could be allowed to try and source what was needed myself. No, was the answer! This was problem I saw years before, and even wrote, at the time to the Trusts CEO suggesting they put me in an office with a computer, for a trial period, to see if I could save them money. Didn't even do more than read the email ...

[@lesgriffiths2395]

With respect,you are missing the real reason the NHS is failing. It's no longer a National Health System. It is an International Health System,open to those who don't contribute via NI. Contributions. It wasn't designed for that

[@meridianleeward6370]

Quite right. There are more interpreters in hospitals than nurses.

[@bixo_papao]

Adding to that, you have made up lead roles in NHS for "friends and family" who never worked in healthcare or either have very little experience and have no clue on what they doing. The whole system is corrupted.

[@lindseylee8572]

It’s not a Health System it’s a Health Service

[@ilookafterthewater601]

There is a solid truth in what you say.

[@kevcarnall3653]

The percentage of those from abroad coming here for "health tourism" is less than 1%

[@angelbading]

At 60K a year? even after tax, food is still affortable.

[@jamesyoung4309]

I volunteer for the NHS. It’s well and truly broken. The money gets wasted, needs to be reformed from top to bottom

[@True_Heretic]

It depends. There are excellent state of the art hospitals and very efficient doctors surgeries. Some, but not all of the organisation needs to be regenerated.

[@bruce8359]

go volunteer for the girl guides fool

[@thethrawnscotsman5260]

I love the NHS but immigration has put an absolute strain on it.

[@saudade369]

I’ve been a patient this past year and half , for several stays in hospital,and many appointments in different hospitals. Ive been shocked Y many things I’ve seen and experienced but the failure to communicate even basic medical notes between hospitals in different health authorities is a real shocker . I had to attend an appointment for a scan , four consecutive times because each time they ended up realizing they needed a ultrasound , cancelling the visit after an hour trying to achieve something they had already failed to do at the previous appointment . Each time repeating the same failed process and saying “ oh you’ll need an ultrasound , can you come back next week “ ? After poking me full of holes and several nurses attempting to have a go , saying the same phrase every time “ oh don’t worry , we’re used to doing it , well get it “, and failing after several attempts and several more holes in me . Once even having 24 attempts before I said “ you need an ultrasound”. I was shocked they had no notes telling them each week to get the ultrasound and just repeating the process again . In the end I asked how difficult it was to write down in the notes ? The pain, the hours of time wasted , causing other patients to wait needlessly only to cancel the appointment again and again was shocking .in the 21sr century one would hope communication was something easy . So much for management . There comes a day that one realizes hoping for pot luck is not something one wants to be the basis of the treatment . Such failure to communicate patient needs must cost a fortune in wasted hours and resources when just a pen and paper or a line in a computer notes could possibly save millions

[@anneeq008]

The money gets wasted because private companies absolutely rinse the NHS. They charge £2k to fit a bog standard sink when it costs the average Joe about £1/200 at a push. Government institutions can only choose from a select pool of candidates. As part of the transparency and accountability is adhered to by vetting the workers. Which is more expensive. One significant reason being that they can easily take advantage of Joe public and increase their prices ASTRONOMICALLY

[@jackhackett6827]

Let's be honest, it wouldn't matter how much money was thrown at the NHS it would never be enough.

[@nbrut]

Enough money is being pumped into the NHS its just that the waste and inefficiency is colossal.

[@Sionnach1601]

​@@nbrutSame here in Ireland with the so called "HSE". We have the very same atrocious levels of inefficiency and mayhem in the A&E, and throughout our hospitals for that matter. You do NOT want to get sick or injured in our Western countries today. When the little nuns were running it, you would be in and out in an hour and everywhere was kept scrupulously clean. Say what you want about them, but there WERE a lot of good honest souls there who were highly vocational and were greatly maligned with the clerical scandals, wrongfully so. They believed in order and they did their jobs well in stark contrast to today.

[@JonesySurvived]

Throwing money at your problems is likely a cause here to begin with.

[@robertwilson3866]

Yes but you got to pay doctors their pay - they had a pay cut of 35% because of inflation. If the government paid them - none of this would happen. MPS always get their pay rise....

[@banacek60chord43]

Absolutely; this has already been shown to be the case.

[@mydogky]

I am a retired nurse, I can honestly say the NHS was on its knees well before 2010, it had an aging workforce, was in debt, junior doctors worked extremely long hours, being on call some were on duty without rest for a very long time, it has been under funded for donkeys years. The NHS needs less chiefs and more Indians, ie more frontline nurses,

[@Worldsgonebonkers]

We all need you wonderful Doctors and nurses at some point in our lives. They do an amazing job at keeping us healthy and alive! And where would we be without them. Other countries pay them much more than this pathetic country does, because they know the value of these amazing angels.😇 It's no wonder our doctors are going abroad. We all clapped on our doorsteps during covid, when they all put their lives at risk to treat us. Now they are the enemy and forgotten about. Our country is absolutely disgusting. It's ok for the rich, they can afford to go privately! It's a case of "I'm alright Jack". How dare these 2 jumped up Wallies talk to this young lady in such a vile way. I'm Beyond angry. 😠

[@dubbula]

I was a nurse only 30yo and it's horrible. So I left

[@Worldsgonebonkers]

I used to know a retired nurse "30yrs ago", who used to regularly complain about the state of the NHS. She would say the same! That there's more chiefs than Indians. Meaning to many managers than staff. Not much has changed, apart from it's decline even further down the pan.

[@catherinemartin6258]

I believe you was a nurse

[@jayneyaghmour7320]

Why don't these two clowns let the educated lady speak.

[@33LB]

anyone who is so incompetent with money that they have to go to a food bank on a colossal £60,000 salary should not be working in medicine.

[@leslieperkins759]

Stage of NHS Training Nodal point 2021 FY1 1 28,808 FY2 2 33,345 CT1 or ST1 / SpR1 3 39,467 CT2 or ST2 / SpR2

[@philldownes8685]

@@leslieperkins759 now compare that witha bloke in say machinery doing his 5 year aprenticeship , the nurses and doctiors are still on more... and oplease dont forgtet about the 37 1/2 hour week that over that is over time for the nurses and doctors.

[@Ramblingpete]

Yes they want better conditions so do we wen in hospital come on

[@33LB]

@@leslieperkins759 starting salary of £28,000? excellent for people just coming out of university. you're lucky to get that even with a PhD and previous experience.

[@mandyreid6955]

Doctors are well paid for the work they do. It is not underfunding fir the NHS. It is bad management... Nobody needs a 35% increase in salary. Doctors do not need to go to food banks! Live on £18k a year and manage your budget and then greet!!! So many people have to live on this and do.

[@VKing-di9lo]

One junior doctor, when interviewed, said she couldn’t live on this meagre salary as she couldn’t pay her sons school fees! How fortunate that could even consider private education for her child.

[@hellalive8973]

Says a lot about her privileged upbringing to think that was even a valid point. I think that’s half the problem, these junior doctors grew up rich and thought qualifying as a doctor would immediately give them their rich parents lifestyle.

[@BrianMcGuirkBMG]

OMG. One doctor was found to have this opinion! Quick, get me that pay reduction tool! Stat!

[@t.d6379]

Absolutely madness

[@solentforest]

That one you made up inside your head to get angry about?

[@toke7560]

Only 1 interviewed. Sack the lot. Greedy hastards.@@BrianMcGuirkBMG

[@philipfriend9737]

£60k a year and she cant afford lunch? Total B.S!

[@smartfreddy]

Correct

[@aaronemerson7079]

Wasn't her, it was someone else he had spoken to

[@robertfish4052]

She can't afford party drugs and pilot grigio!

[@robertfish4052]

I have fallen victim to this, and it's frightening. I live in fear of the collapse. Let alone the actual treatment.

[@longdongsilver1255]

Its because they want to live a lavish lifestyle way above what their salary can afford.

[@jacquelinewilson2279]

Doctors are greedy. In my town the specialists drive Mercedes and Range Rovers. The GPs refuse to work after hours or at weekends and barely engage with their patients. Both specialists and GPs send their children to private schools, their families and themselves to private hospitals, and are part of an increasing inequitable wealth divide. The university system has set them up to expect high wages, wealth, high status and to work a 9-5 weekly job. It is disgusting and tax payers are paying. Meanwhile our public hospitals are at breaking point.

[@joecanteen7428]

Many people in my country become doctor because of high status in social and wealth, They let people dead in front of hospital becase he is poor.

[@martinbennett9578]

Superstar doctors

[@Chitapool]

Poorly educated young Lads who kick a lump of plastic around a field for 90 minutes a week also drive Mercs and Range Rovers. If you dislike Doctors that much, next time you are seriously I'll, call a non greedy person to tend to you instead.

[@goodyeoman4534]

I have met some amazing doctors. She is definitely not one. Didn't even show any compassion when the host told he he has terminal cancer.

[@markhutton6055]

@@Chitapool Doctors are amongst the best paid people in the country, not as well paid as footballers but they aren't paid for by the Tax payers and people have a choice about whether or not they want to pay them that amount. Nurses are paid more than the average joe, by quite a large margin (even before their pay deal). Junior Doctors have had it rough recently, but are still headed towards wealth that most of us can only dream of. The strike is the equivalent of kicking a sick many while he is on the operating table (quite literally).

[@daz3434]

60k a year and going to the food bank my arse.

[@Dan-jg7zl]

And I bet she has a top of the range Range Rover, 5 bedroom house and a Iphone, then complains she is hard up.

[@lefthandlee]

I know yeh silly cow

[@edutuoy1757]

@@broadcast_barBooHoo 😭 welcome to the real world! only the strong will survive

[@leslieperkins759]

Stage of NHS Training Nodal point 2021 FY1 1 28,808 FY2 2 33,345 CT1 or ST1 / SpR1 3 39,467 CT2 or ST2 / SpR2

[@renatewest6366]

Probably overspending or money is tight from all her investment properties and mortgages.

[@markenetube]

The average UK pay is £33,000. How do you need a food bank on £60k. The fact that they can afford to keep striking shows they are not poor.

[@taffyterrier]

NHS loving sheeple on £20k will be donating food to feed doctors on £60k.

[@dianewray1867]

What the strikers don't realise is that every single day on strike actually reduces their 'end of NHS employment /retirement pension' rate. Right now it might seem unimportant but they could be in for a nasty shock when they find just how much their NHS Pensions will be impacted through their foolhardy actions right now. Let's hope we still have Food Banks then!

[@33LB]

anyone who can't feed themselves on a colossal £60k salary is clearly wasting all of their money on expensive car loans, overly expensive apartments or houses, expensive holidays, prostitutes, gambling, or all of the above.

[@dzafic80]

@@33LB These doctors had to borrow 100’s of thousand of £ to study and qualify they need to pay this money back and these doctors have life and families too

[@charliehalbery5978]

Jesus average is £33,000 we both work and only on a few thousand more than that a year between us. 😮

[@Tam-xg8dl]

It’s ALL political they disgust me.That A+E incident of James,s wife lying on the floor for 12 hrs has shocked & disgusted me.

[@sharonbennett9953]

this is happening to alot of people it is a disgrace

[@ClactonCuuN]

🎉 You get shocked by complete fiction? Go hide under your bed

[@gdiwolverinemale4th]

Yup ... cause the baby boomers and posterior generations have thoroughly destroyed everything with their love for socialism and free stuff.

[@polaris7122]

@@ClactonCuuN I was on a trolley in A&E for 25hrs, it's not fiction you clown!

[@facehugger3]

60k a year is 5K per month. I'm sure a lot of people would just love to be that poor.

[@Elevate_G]

60k/ 5k monthly if your doing brown envelopes and not paying tax. Taxman needs his cut too, £60K a year = £42,900 after tax - £3,575 monthly

[@Benny1923R]

​@Elevate_G 36 to 40 h a week. Yeah, right.

[@16Arson]

@@ramsaybolton9151Boo fucking hoo. The truth is that junior doctors are Workshy freeloaders who deserve much LESS than they currently make.

[@Wishing_you_peace]

Tax, NI and pensions are deducted. As well as student loans.

[@33LB]

@@ramsaybolton9151 dangerous job? please don't make me cringe. medicine is extremely safe and generally speaking, the only illness they're going to get by being close to other people is the common cold, which has absolutely no impact on anyone's life. of course, the exception in recent years is covid, but covid is an extremely rare event and most people are vaccinated against covid now. there are far more dangerous jobs done by millions of people across the country every single day.

[@BeaEss]

"I hate the goverment...I'm not talking about politics". I waited for 12 months for an urgent appointment. Urgent. I've worked all my adult life and paid into the system for this s**t.

[@jean2740]

Yes true you pay into the system and get zero back ,no oppiontment ,nothing

[@suzann2531]

There’s bound to be more pressure put on these doctors with the amount of immigration into this country. We need more hospitals and doctors. By giving these junior doctor’s more money isn’t going to help their workload.

[@harpersmythe658]

I’d say stop importing more patients. But that’s just me 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@amandaslade9072]

Stop blaming all government failures and greedy, lazy Doctors on immigrants, it's absolute nonsense

[@goodyeoman4534]

Wait till all the Palestinians start flooding in.

[@lizliz4186]

More money might not lighten the workload but it is a motivator to keep going under a terrible workload. Isn't that why we pay garbage men so much...., because the compensation makes up for the crappy work, otherwise no one would do it.

[@goodyeoman4534]

@@lizliz4186 I'm not so sure. Because whenever inflation rises, they'll think they can just go on strike again until they get a pay rise.

[@Paulzor923]

It's not the patients fault it's the fault of management so why take it out on patients by striking? How does that change anything? You're understaffed because there's too many people using the NHS that aren't from this country.

[@TheLincolnrailsplitt]

Ok. That effectively means doctors are never allowed to strike. Is this what you are after?

[@dustinwatkins7843]

Yes. They're an essential service. Legislate them back to work, period. @@TheLincolnrailsplitt

[@lennon1482]

@@TheLincolnrailsplitt err yea

[@goodyeoman4534]

Because greed is more important to them than vocation.

[@juliaedmunds9961]

​@@TheLincolnrailsplittyes

[@johnswarbrick2365]

My wife died on November - 2 main reasons. Doctor's strike put her treatment back and back and the environemnt in the ward. Between treatments she wasn't allowed to get rest and recovery because of the noise, loud chatter, telehone ringing, buzzers, etc etc. The old addage of if you want to recover don't go into hospital is so true.

[@meandmeatmeoverthere]

My grandad ,WW1 survivor,used to say”they won’t be 1:41 taking me to any hospital everyone I know went in there came out dead”?!?!?

[@maureengladwell1317]

Sotrue

[@williammorris1384]

Condolences to you. I’m sorry to hear that:( . Best wishes:)

[@john50beach18]

I'm not entirely sure you can say someone died because they didn't get enough rest and recovery on the ward. I mean what would you even base that conclusion on

[@dianewray1867]

@@john50beach18 Just try it - then you will perhaps understand what the poor man means!

[@PaulBrammer-y8k]

My wife was on the waiting list for spinal surgery after 18 months 2 months befor surgery she was put under another surgeon who told her she was not on his list and would have to start again. This is what they do.

[@mtkoslowski]

Cut back on foreign aid to ungrateful and corrupt governments all over the world and plow it back into the NHS instead. The government must serve the people - not the other way around.

[@simonfarrimond3664]

The more these nhs trusts get in moneys and finances the more is wasted we dont see any improvements and the other is for buying medications we never seem to seek out the cheapest deal but the best deal for those who are linked to the pharmacy companies to get a little sweeetner in there own back pocket

[@mrmensa1096]

The Government works for the Globalist Cabal - research the WEF and the Great Reset !!!

[@originalkk882]

The amount spent on NHS England has doubled since 2008 to £120bn. The money has gone on diversity and climate change directors, the likes of NHS Providers and the NHS Confederation (both NHS trade unions), and endless levels of admin. The whole edifice only exists for the benefit of themselves. It must be torn down and replaced.

[@egbah428]

Well said. And give priority to those who pay tax and ni . Seriously what do my taxes go on. Certianly not the NHS or this country.

[@wilfred-wils]

Nhs funding has increased every single year you easily led simpleton

[@user-xs9fp3ic9y]

The doctors all over the country are a disgrace to their profession. Since the pandemic they seem to think it’s ok to work part time. Or even worse get a phone call. People don’t go to the doctor unless they need to. What they don’t want is an appointment in two weeks time! This never happened years ago, you went to the doctors, and sat in the waiting room until it was your turn. This is supposed to be progress! As an NHS nurse all my working life, I am disgusted by the action of junior doctors. People are dying, they don’t care!

[@fricozoid1]

It is OK to work part time. What pond did you crawl out from?

[@mrmensa1096]

Pandemic - LOL - 2020 had the 18th LOWEST DEATH RATE over previous 30 years - Office for National Statistics UK !!!!!!!!!!!!

[@gcanada3005]

Pay them appropriately then. It’s pretty simple

[@adrianharrison5208]

​@@fricozoid1😂

[@TheSurrealWolf]

@@fricozoid1 a pretty thick one lets not beat around the bush

[@chefineer]

Junior doctors only earn less than national average (about £33k) in their first year. Then every year they have a large rise. By year 5 they're at £56k, which puts them in to top 10% of salary earners. By the end of training they're in the top 3% of earners. They never face redundancy and can pretty much move where they like in the country. They argue about the hours, but 1 in 5 are training only part time (on LTFT contracts), legally they're not obliged to work more than 40 hours, and if they feel they're overworked then giving them more money won't change that

[@gcanada3005]

We need doctors in Canada. They will make twice that much. Four times that much in the USA. No wonder you people can’t get doctors.

[@chefineer]

@@gcanada3005 ​@gcanada3005 we have no problem getting doctors. The government limits the number of juniors very closely. If all these ungrateful juniors on strike want to leave then as soon as they're gone theyll be replaced. Canada is welcome to them. There must be a reason you're desperate for doctors, eh ? If the pay and conditions are so good there, how come you're struggling to get them ?

[@gcanada3005]

@@chefineer Every country is struggling to get them. It looks like everyone has noticed but you. COVID combined with baby boomers retiring has led to a shortage everywhere. You probably think teachers and nurses shouldn’t be able to keep up with inflation also . When your government intentionally staggers wages in the public sector for years while reducing taxes on corporations and wealthy this is what you get. People get fed up. Please send those doctors here. It will make your situation even worse. Something a simpleton obviously cannot understand

[@chefineer]

@@gcanada3005 ​@gcanada3005 if £60k isnt enough now when their training, then they certainly wont be happy with £100000 after qualifying. Im from a medical family and none of us has any respect for striking juniors.

[@gcanada3005]

@eljay5009 They also pay heavily into that pension something people like you forget

[@aticusaticus9138]

that`s tough, £60,000 a year no wonder he can`t afford a lunch. this woman is dilusional.

[@ellistitheridge3851]

This country has failed in so many ways this young doctor is deluded thinking that striking is working the same as trains and any other public sector strikes. The amount of pointless managers in the NHS is mind boggling! The whole countries moral compass is completely out of touch

[@boota1979]

@ellistitheridge3851 I worked for many years in adult social care and there were more managers than frontline staff, some managers managing themselves. I kid you not!!

[@fricozoid1]

@@boota1979 How is that doctors fault though? Surely its the Government overseeing it that is responsible.

[@boota1979]

@@fricozoid1 I am not aware I have said that. The point I am making is it's all government controlled. And each department is run on the same lines, be it the NHS, local government, whatever.

[@fricozoid1]

@@boota1979 You argument about too many middle managers was in reply to this post which calls this doctor deluded and moans about their right to strike. If you agree with me that the original posters anger is falsely directed at the doctors and in fact should be directed at Government then, we are in agreement.

[@boota1979]

@@fricozoid1 Then we do indeed agree! In my experience of working for government at local level and friends who work in the NHS, they are run on the same lines anything to do with government control / input is extremely badly run. Largely due to the fact have a never ending supply of debt, to dip into at our expense. The main problem is 'government' have no money it's our taxes that fund the ever increasing debt and as long as we have no say and don't say enough is enough, it will continue. The 'government' wreck our country and walk away with gilt edged pensions and heaven knows what else and there are never any repercussions, if the average person acted in this fashion we would be in jail.

[@londonman8688]

can the UK stop pretending the NHS is world class

[@taffyterrier]

NHS doctors are third rate

[@vanessac1721]

Amen. People are so indoctrinated here.

[@taffyterrier]

@@vanessac1721 The clapping sheeple.

[@joycegibbs5267]

I don't, it's the liberals & left that do. It was built when our population was small, it's now out of control which is why it's no good anymore and needs dismantling and rebuilt to meet the needs, (althought that's impossible now), we're overpopulated and skint !!

[@fricozoid1]

@@taffyterrier says the Tories virtue signallers, clapping for carers, claiming the vaccine roll-out was world-beating 🤣🤣🤣clapping sheeple INDEED

[@ColinGarner-h1t]

From my personal experience there is a fortune wasted throughout the NHS . Doctors and nurses earn their money it’s the middle management that are the problem .

[@BenSamuel-d6l]

NHS is mostly a money laundering operation between the tax payers and the drug suppliers and medical equipment suppliers and their shareholders. The patients are the vehicle in between to provide justification for the transfer of wealth. I worked in the NHS for almost 20 years.

[@BrianMcGuirkBMG]

People keep blaming the middle management. The tory govt has made the NHS exactly how it is and their mission is to make it worse.

[@toke7560]

I've seen some useless mechanics. AND i've seen some utterly useless doctors. These aren't the caring people of years ago. Modern day greedy people.

[@BrianMcGuirkBMG]

@@toke7560 So, you found some tories, then.

[@brianbell3836]

Definitely. Our place employs a 'Manager of Managers' to corral all the managers in one place and manager them.

[@Carlos-o3l1j]

Last year my mum was in the Leeds general infirmary on end of life care on a ward full of very old sick people. There were old people in pain crying out for help! I watched these badly done to underpaid nurses stood around the reception area laughing and joking while ignoring these poor old people’s cry’s.. well done nhs! I could add more but would probably be locked up for it

[@jean2740]

I witnessed this sort of thing myself the ignoring crying out people while they plan there evening out and laughing out very loud.

[@joannasuccess]

I've worked for the NHS and after 6 months or so I have witnessed nurses becoming de sensitised which is sad. Thing is you have to question why.... why would someone start to slowly switch off?

[@strumminronin]

Second what the OP wrote. When a family member was in hospital, she was left without medication, "no one was available" to nip down to the pharmacy in the same building to pick it up for her, whilst they had staff playing on their phone. Then there was a handful of staff in scrubs talking really appropriately loud about hospital politics, whilst using the patients' waiting area as a common room. I could go on.

[@MediaFXNoosa]

Same happened to me i crawled on the ward floor in agony and at the reception was 3 nurses looking at there phones talking

[@jillemburey3214]

I agree. I've been in and out of hospital for years and nurses are always gathered at their station talking and laughing. I waited TWO HOURS for some morphine once.....

[@elainebines6803]

OK get trained by NHS then skip to private. Nurses the same, skip country after being trained. Outrageous. They should sign a contract whereby they have to work in NHS for 10 years before making a mockery of them being educated for free

[@catcoffee7958]

True

[@pamelagaull3928]

Absolutely. But in Scotland anyway jobs are advertised worldwide and best experienced candidate gets the job overlooking newly qualified doctors trained here. They then go to Australia for example and never come back.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

It somewhat disgusts me that this happens. I am sure this country's system is awful (Who would have guessed?) but why leave? Leaving the country entirely after the country reared you.

[@MrShiv174]

Should people in all professions be held to the same terms? Totally unworkable, this isn't a socialist state, you loon.

[@nattybking]

I agree to certain extent, however a better way to do it might be to offer them a choice; pay for your studies and you can work where you like after qualifying, or university fees waived if you sign a contract to work solely for the NHS for a minimum of 10 years, with a clause that allows you to leave, but you must pay in full for your university fees.

[@maryearll3359]

Years ago, Tony Blair announced he was going to increase the numbers of hospital managers. Then, on BBC's Today programme, the Health Secretary announced how the NHS was so lucky because there was now 1 manager for every 2 patients. I can't remember the year or the Health Secretarys name but I do remember, very clearly, those figures - I was a working nurse then and have never forgotten.

[@Norfolkbiker50]

My father in law died in September, for the last 4 years of his life he spent more time in hospital than at home, including a 6 month stay. I don't care what anyone says, my missus, members of the family and myself saw with our own eyes that far from being overworked these hospitals are staffed by lazy workshy nomarks. My missus was regularly taking patients to the toilet or showering them, changing their bedding, fetching them drinks. Every Saturday night we did a takeaway run for the whole ward so that the patients got at least one edible meal a week. This was all while the paid staff stood and watched. This was the queen Elizabeth hospital in kings Lynn. If these people are paid more than a 16 year old McDonald's worker they're paid too much.

[@Dollybird198]

Wow well done you and ur missus I wish I’ had the money for my Own takeaway never mind a whole ward

[@Norfolkbiker50]

@@Dollybird198 sorry, I didn't mean we paid for it aswell, I was saying that we used to drive into kings Lynn and fetch it because the hospital wouldn't let delivery drivers bring the food in. They tried to stop my missus a couple of times but quickly thought better of it.

[@randomcomputer7248]

Yeh. My Dad had a stroke a few years ago and since I had to spend alot of time at the hospital, I made a point of observing the workload etc. There was no sense of urgency and they were NOT over worked. I was often left to deal with the guy next to my Dad who had a stroke after the shock of losing his wife, he couldn't remember she had died and was walking around looking for his wife, he was very agitated and they just left him. I tried my best to calm him and they just watched. The staff were also rude mostly and as you say, lazy ! McDonald's workers have it much harder. Most of the jobs I've had were harder too ! What also annoys me is they keep wanting huge pay rises, but they miss the bit out where their pensions will also go up, and by a lot. My ex is a nurse with a couple of specializations and was on £50+k a few years ago. With that she was getting 34% of her wage put into a pension every year on top. When she retires she will get the state pension AND the NHS pension ! The canteens are subsidized, you can choose to go part time if you want, you can move to nearly anywhere in the UK and still have your job. They have it good, better than most of us, so I don't have much sympathy. millions of us have it much harder and will be on under half their pensions.

[@carolfaye6146]

I called into my local hub for a chat about covid vaccine, the staff were scruffy, un ironed uniforms,dirty trainers,couldn't be bothered attitude. As a retired nurse I thought my matron and mentor would be spinning in her grave. Can we help you?.No you bloody can't....

[@Norfolkbiker50]

@@carolfaye6146 exactly, they treat patients as an inconvenience

[@ronvonryan]

The real problem is there are too many people in the Country,. you can't let millions of legal and illegal migrants into this small Country and serve the Country with what you have in the way of hospitals, Doctors, and Nurses, it's impossible. Also many who come in and are being treated have not paid a penny into the NHS.

[@patriciakelly2714]

The NHS is broken because of all the management. Moore chiefs who are being payed high amounts whilst nurses and doctors are worn out. We need more nurses and doctors. We can’t encourage doctors and nurses and doctors if they are worked to death and if they go to other countries they have better working situations. I can see both sides. The whole system needs sorting.

[@goodyeoman4534]

It won't get sorted as long as the borders remain open and the management swamp isn't drained.

[@joycegibbs5267]

it's broken because of politics and woke lunacy.

[@MrDunkycraig]

The thing is its doctors in the management that screw it up

[@munkami]

What borders are you on about? @@goodyeoman4534

[@munkami]

It's broken because of Brexit and Boris Johnson. Tories haven't invested in the NHS, which is a Labour idea. @@joycegibbs5267

[@OneGuySomewhere]

Here is this undeniable truth from a patient in Wales. The NHS here is NOT fit for purpose and I could list a long number of issues where I have been dealt with extremely poorly by NHS Wales. It is WRONG to continually blame the UK Government for healthcare’s laughable processes. The NHS Management must be held to account for their own very poor performance. The net result of this is patients are being dealt with flippant offhand attitudes as though we are a nuisance and care and empathy is evaporating by the day.

[@Norfolkbiker50]

Couldn't agree more, my father in law died in September after spending most of the last 4 years of his life in hospital, patients are an inconvenience to all the staff and are treated accordingly.

[@OneGuySomewhere]

@@Norfolkbiker50 I am very sorry to hear that. Care and empathy is slowly vanishing it seems also they don’t really act or listen to how you feel about things. Just come out with the Covid, short staffed, overworked and under strain, cards all the time. It’s like you have no right to express your concerns.

[@Norfolkbiker50]

@@OneGuySomewhere it doesn't help that a large percentage of the staff don't speak English.

[@dreddykrugernew]

Its the full country, from the councillors you elect to award contracts to companies to fix your potholes to the countless barbershops and car washes that are all over, the country is being drained dry by everyone. The councillors and local MPs they are all on the gravy train and we get what we vote for in this country.

[@Norfolkbiker50]

@@dreddykrugernew actually if we got what we voted for Boris Johnson would still be prime minister, sunak has never had a single vote, he's there through Sharp practice.

[@J.L.Norton]

My mother was a nurse in the Second World War and never complained and just got on with it, as did the doctors. 30 plus beds with two nurses, and they did the cleaning! They did it for love and duty, not the money.

[@Worldsgonebonkers]

Doctors and nurses still deserve a proper living wage for their dedication! Just like everyone. UK is not supposed to be a slave labour country, but is fast becoming one. Thank god there are other countries who know the value of our life savers, and pay them good wages to prove that they care. It's absolutely not good enough. This country stinks.

[@TheSurrealWolf]

My great great grandad was a baker

[@keithroberts5611]

My mother was a nurse in the 40's 50's When there was a Matron in charge, Nurses where expected to wait on patients hand and foot, But keep the wards spotless, And that doesn't mean a flck over with a mop or duster beds where taken outside and shrubed each day come rain or shine!!! The key was having a Matron!!!

[@supercriceto]

Fightforyourdreams: "Slave Labour '? Really?

[@ldhigginsfarms6942]

Too many people using the NHS that don’t pay anything towards it!!

[@normanroscatha2753]

Definitely the case! Thousands come to the UK each year, get the timing right when pregnant and you just fly in. Next step gets you into a BIG London hospital, 12 days + in then let out to go home, no questions like NHS registration or payment. Just another expense written off. Unpaid bill never paid, another £12,000 lost ( stolen ). NHS STAFF Don,t give a dam. Not surprising no money to pay junior doctors. How about a 50% up front or arrest/deportation to country of choice!!!

[@stevenhull5025]

Don't forget all those on weekend benders who put a strain on A&E departments up and down the country. These people should be made to pay for their medical treatment. Why should we have to pay for their drinking habits.

[@mariewalmsley6143]

She doesn't want to hear because she doesn't care. That's the real problem.

[@dustinwatkins7843]

Typical know it all ignorant doctor. They often have that attitude.

[@esm7708]

Open your ears and listen to her words

[@goodyeoman4534]

I noticed how her eyes didn't change at all when the host mentioned he had terminal cancer. It's clear she's motivated by greed. Working with another F1 and having a consultant with you on the ward is bloody great, so not sure why she felt "under-staffed".

[@esm7708]

@@goodyeoman4534you're talking absolute nonsense

[@mariewalmsley6143]

Yeah I noticed it too, no empathy.

[@HibeeMcbee]

My mother in law works in procurement for the NHS - she says that it’s a black hole. They pay ‘Diversity Managers’ 70k a year!!! This is in Dumfries, one of the least diverse places in the UK 😂

[@pickashole]

Your mother in law is correct. Procurement in the NHS is a mess.

[@gxyb766]

Well, DEI and "diversity" are just buzzwords for ways to oppress the indigenous people. It's all a massive scam, on an industrial scale. My sister's a nurse in west Wales and couldn't get a job. She was told it's because they had to meet a diversity quota. They ended up importing nurses from Kerala, India. They desperately needed nurses, my sister lived in the same town, and they wouldn't give her a job, with almost 20 years experience. She had to move. We're being replaced.

[@MaisieDaisyUpsadaisy]

Do you even know what Diversity managers do in healthcare?

[@hatchett122]

​@@MaisieDaisyUpsadaisydiversify funding from medical practicioners to middle management?

[@robbies8289]

Most of the extra money from covid the NHS received went straight into creating diversity depts and more managers that do nothing but create more wasteful teams meetings because they have nothing to do with. Now the doctors want more pay but the managers have blown the budgets.

[@bridiesmith5110]

The reason Xmas and new year are dire is because drs are off skiing. The nhs is run on skeleton staff every weekend as drs don’t work weekends.

[@Yogeeie]

This is FACTS.

[@musheopeaus4125]

They earn so much that they all go part time and do private work £290,000 av

[@babylonsburning1]

Rubbish. Consultants do private work. Junior Doctors are not consultants.

[@musheopeaus4125]

@@babylonsburning1 oh dear they will be consultants at the moment they aren’t even doctors . Just trainees under supervision . Stop being gullible

[@babylonsburning1]

​@@musheopeaus4125 You refuted your own statement you fool. Grow your brain, not your ego.

[@jaimz33]

I'm old enough to remember when the NHS was new. It wasn't long after the war and we were a country virtually bankrupt. But we managed to budget the NHS in a far superior way than today. No appointments were required, you didn't even need to give your name to the GP receptionist. You just took your turn in the queue. After some hospitalisation you even got sent to a convalescence hospital in the countryside. How could we afford that then? And why can't we now? Immigrants that's why.

[@davidcooks2379]

There were way less old people as well

[@Eric76]

I agree that a lot of the top clinicians are from Asia and Middle East and this has been the case for decades. However, can you perhaps explain why the native of this once great NHS are not becoming doctors since the days you talk of in this country?

[@joycegibbs5267]

and anything white people did was bad or colonialist so was got rid of !!

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@Eric76I believe they are but they go overseas.

[@duviworthing]

Quite simply, the breadth of service and options weren't offered. No transplants, no plastic surgery, very limited prescription medicines, the list goes on and on. Also the status and pay of Doctors was much higher in those days. The NHS bares no resemblance to its founding past. I'm not quite as old as you, but can remember how basic the service was even in the 1960s and 70s

[@PhilipCassidy-r5l]

She's a politician... can't answer a simple question

[@dodgynumber7533]

She’s not a Politician…she’s a Doctor

[@SMacCuUladh]

@@dodgynumber7533 She's a narcissist.

[@spacetime3]

no no these hosts are plebs fking no clue what happens in the NHS.

[@fluxington]

@@dodgynumber7533 So the OP missed the word 'like' - she's like a politician. And she did sound more like a politician than a doctor.

[@crowdpleaser1036]

Not to belittle her achievement, but I think she might have a media job beckoning before long.

[@Lonsome1223]

James whale so sorry to hear about your diagnosis and wish you all the best. Since Covid it seems our GP'S have refused to do the job we pay them to do. And I'm almost 80 years old and up until now have never known a doctors strike . 35% madness. THIS IS POLITICAL!!.

[@BenSamuel-d6l]

Terminal cancer? Since when? Wasn't James Whale one of the jab tyrants who sought to beliitle those that wouldnt take this cancer inducing muck? Oh dear......

[@holdontoyourwig]

My Father used to work for B. Rail. He told me that once he had the job of putting up a couple of coat hooks in a station waiting room. A person had to travel to the station and make a list of what was required ( hooks and screws etc etc ) Then someone had to cost the items. Then someone had to get the items out of the stores. Only then did my Father get to go to the station and put the hooks up. It took most of the day. I expect that is similar to the NHS.

[@EnglishVeteran]

As soon as she refers to a Pandemic I know she is deluded!

[@SMacCuUladh]

I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by propaganda, spiritually starving, hysterical, naked.

[@calumlittle9828]

Literally thinking the same about you dummy.

[@birdinio1111]

​@@SMacCuUladhthey may be educated but doesn't mean they are intelligent. To think they still believe it and endorse the vax

[@briandoherty3249]

Plandemic not pandemic.

[@calumlittle9828]

@@briandoherty3249 planned by whom?

[@TheSgtsMess]

I had double pneumonia when I was 15 in 1980. Our local GP completed home visits on me. Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and Boxing Day 1980. I only know this from my mother as I was unconscious. I cannot see a GP these days doing this.

[@DaddyBear3000]

NOT A CHANCE. The receptionists think they are doctors and doctors charge the government for an incomprehensible 2 sec voicemail as a missed appointment!!

[@mmcfarlane001]

They aren't contracted to. Simple as.

[@Fidelisjoff]

Most GPs are women and part time their children come first not yours

[@Fidelisjoff]

​@@colinstratford9952Home visits do not exist for most as the latest generation of doctors have too many on contextualised offers because of their ethnicity and have one goal....money! Vocation is a Christian belief and sadly all too absent these days.

[@Bringon-dw8dx]

Because they don’t have the resources to

[@deco2132]

Junior Doctors are the worst of the worst - have no idea how lucky they are - my father has recently died and his care was awful before hand - the majority of NHS staff are lazy and selfish. This is the whole problem of putting certain industries on a pedestal - they think they are amazing and do nothing wrong. While I was at the hospital I saw multiple nurses and consultants standing around and gathered around desks much of the day doing absolutely nothing. Its disgraceful how awful the NHS staff have become. Junior doctors are paid very well, work in a very safe environment and have absolute job security. Something the vast majority dont.

[@JM00-v9c]

100%

[@gedheaton1415]

nailed it

[@OneGuySomewhere]

Each time I see plenty of people waiting considerable amounts of time and also plenty of staff doing very little. Don’t talk to me about the empty rooms with state of the art medical systems just sat there doing nothing whilst waiting lists increase and increase.

[@spiritbaby5151]

So more funding will help? So why does every single ward & department rush to spend excess cash before the new financial year? Surely if it was all put into 1 pot, another doctor could be hired??

[@spector969]

The fact that she refuses to address the reality that these strikes are likely to lead to people dying is worrying... Many people are struggling with the cost of living at the moment, but none of us are holding people's lives to ransom in order to get a pay rise...

[@goodyeoman4534]

All she had in response was the correlation-causation line. Feeble. Cancelled appointments = increased number of missed/delayed diagnoses = increased deaths. So yes, there is causation.

[@mattexe27]

Though greedy teachers held our kids education to ransom.

[@gdiwolverinemale4th]

She is not Mother Teresa, is she? She is a healthcare professional and she demands good work conditions. What's wrong with that?

[@goodyeoman4534]

@@gdiwolverinemale4th What's wrong is that her unreasonable demand for more money is costing patient's the care they deserve.

[@pawellewandowski1031]

@@goodyeoman4534so ultimately you are saying that doctors are not allowed to strike!

[@brianellis1257]

Absolutely not it’s absurd. My doctors drive new range rovers, work limited hours and don’t exactly break a sweat. In addition they all get amazing benefits us in the normal world could only dream of including an amazing pension. Greedy

[@gamble9437]

I can guarantee you he isn't a junior doctor for the NHS. He will work I'm private health care and get paid lots of money.

[@fricozoid1]

We live in a capitalist society. Don't clutch your pearls when some people follow the Tory example and make as much money as they can whilst not caring about others. What an absolute hysterical snowflake you are.

[@malcolmemsley5909]

Are these junior doctors,? Being a Doctor isn't like say what my job was Aircraft Fitter. I didn't expect the same renumeration as someone dealing with peoples health life and well being or someone operating on someone's heart or brain. Its a job with an awful lot of responsibility. These talking heads are laughable.

[@kwameopoku3576]

Study harder in ur new life

[@KevIn-qy7ps]

She wants more money from the pot, whilst saying we need more doctors. This woman is delusional.

[@joycegibbs5267]

that's our useless "education" system for you !!

[@BIGGGESTAL]

The management is earning a fortune for doing sod all

[@SusanaXpeace2u]

I thought she was implying that there are no doctors to recruit because they take opportunities elsewhere

[@lukerobinson536]

​@SusanaXpeace2u she did say that also but I think if there were enough doctors they wouldn't ask or need a pay rise for me its one or the other

[@neetashah1572]

We need both ,dr paid fairly and more drs .

[@mrnobodieswildcampingadventure]

My wife is a consultant and has said many times, that most who are Doctors or Junior Doctors should not be in the profession! She has no time for strikes created by these hypocrites!

[@taffyterrier]

The new self-entitled breed of poorly educated, badly trained, incompetent British medics.

[@jack_irl]

Thats a symptom of lack of investment in wages.. in order to make up numbers the barrier to entry gets lowered, we're seeing it the same in so many other areas of the public sector.

[@taffyterrier]

@@jack_irl The number of medical school places has increased from 5000 to 8000 since the 1980s hence the entry requirements have been systematically lowered to allow 3000 extra students to become doctors who in years gone by would not have made the grade.

[@88pedro888]

@@jack_irlLoad of shite

[@timwattison4419]

Privatise the NHS, simple !!! Stop all the 3rd Wotld scumbags using it for free. You should only have access to it if you have paid into the system for 5 years. Up until that time, you have to have private health insurance.

[@helenwilliams6366]

The NHS is not underfunded at all!

[@taffyterrier]

The sheeple beg to differ.

[@BunyanaRed1958]

Of course. But it ain't going on frontline services.

[@bridiesmith5110]

@@taffyterrierit isn’t underfunded. Money poorly spent. Reduce sick pay and attendance will increase overnight.

[@taffyterrier]

@@BunyanaRed1958 Oh yes it is - NHS doctors are among the highest paid in Europe.

[@taffyterrier]

The sheeple would beg to differ.

[@londonhodnet4079]

I remember when doctors were healers, would come to your house, you trusted them with your families health, looked up to them. Have heard it said it is because our new doctors have been pushed into the medical profession because of status, money, it’s not working for most people

[@silverstars7882]

I started nursing in 1965 and finally retired in 2012. I saw the way it gradually went down hill, slowly but surely. I have zero sympathy for any medical person who goes on strike. People in the NHS no longer have the same dedication, and respect for the institution that they use to have. It makes me so sad.

[@taffyterrier]

Blair and Brown were largely responsible.

[@sharonbennett9953]

well said

[@Maggy47]

Thank you I'm watching my daughter going through stage 2 cancer now spread to her bladder 😢

[@joycegibbs5267]

so true. You can tell they don't really care about the patients and institution, it's politics now. My cousins partner, (who's a consultant), left because of it, he couldn't stand the ridiculousness of it.

[@jaimz33]

@@Maggy47 praying for her.

[@bakersmileyface]

£60,000 a year and you're at the food bank? Naaah not happening. Estimated at £42,900 after tax. That's a LOT of money. Two years of living at home with your parents, you can get a large deposit down and secure a cozy mortgage. You'll still be able to pay for your food, hell you could buy a takeaway every week.

[@1974alancampbell]

But not Foie Gras.

[@scoppio07]

Her colleagues can't afford lunch but they can afford private health care.

[@brianbell3836]

We all spend our money as it suits us

[@johnwalsh3658]

Exactly!

[@brianbell3836]

@@johnwalsh3658 People spend their money as they wish

[@cvc9220]

I'm willing to bet that their definition of not affording lunch is the ability to go into a shop everyday and spending 20 pounds a day on coffess and lunch. A lot of them think they're too entitled to meal prep of make lunches from home. The whole thing is ridiculous

[@john50beach18]

Well tbh having known many junior doctors, a lot of them are total idiots in terms of spending money. Keep buying costa everyday. taking ubers everywhere. getting robbed on their payslips and not knowing because they never actually read the bloody payslips

[@biglongun]

Remember when people became doctors and nurses out of a sense of duty and pride? (As well as being well remunerated). Much like our brave boys and girls in the armed forces? Greedy entitled generation is what we have across the board, where all there is, is “your truth”, and “your feelings”. This young lady has zero empathy or compassion and bags of entitlement.

[@gdiwolverinemale4th]

Your entire generation has no empathy for anyone but itself. After sucking up all the wealth from the system and allowing it to disintegrate, you now pity yourself cause you cannot squeeze more out of it. Pay up to get the service you need

[@closki226]

You’re missing a big point here. Like myself, many people are taking their degrees and moving to the states. You can try and shame them sure but people will continue to do this. WHAT are you GOING to DO???? Nothing???? Continue as you are???? Yeah good luck!

[@taffyterrier]

@@closki226 America can pick and choose and will select highly educated, properly trained, competent doctors which excludes the vast majority of dumbed down British medics.

[@ravenmusic6392]

People from the Boomer generation had higher salaries and more affordable living costs so the comparison isn't really the same

[@awwasson]

@@closki226Australia have been running ad campaigns to entice Doctors and Nurses to move over there for a few years. Why would they want to stay here?

[@samuelwright1129]

Being a doctor is a calling, not a job to make money. The UK is becoming more like the US!

[@stevegray5709]

As always, in everything. The UK is so deeply embedded in the USA's ahole I don't believe it knows a way out.

[@joycegibbs5267]

we are copying the US. The woke, identitly rubbish came from there and tragically, and tragically, we are going to elect a party, (Labour), that will follow exactly what the Democrats have done and look at the misery that's caused there.

[@TanBurishere]

Are you serious? Being a priest is a "calling" and they shouldn't be paid at all. Bet you don't have a problem with that though? You have any idea what Doctors and Nurses see on a daily basis and how hard and often long they work? Wtf is wrong with you people?

[@ony583]

​@@TanBurishereWhy the squalid cover-ups in the NHS? The NHS cover-up deaths from negligence and bully anyone who tries to blow the whistle when anyone ties to bring to light failings of putting patients’ lives at risk. There is a culture of bullying, intimidation and lies in the NHS reaching to the very top and If any one tries to uncover bad practices their messages go unanswered, or are stonewalled. Patients died needlessly through NHS incompetence and negligence by the staff. The NHS could/have commissioned psychiatric reports that labels people - wholly falsely - as a paranoid schizophrenic if they try to blow the whistle. It is of course, the old Soviet Union which was given to silencing its critics by certifying them as insane. Roger Davidson lost his job as the CQC’s head of media and public affairs just before the 2010 General Election after revealing that one quarter of NHS trusts had failed to meet basic hygiene standards. "The NHS and everyone associated with them attempt to 'restore public confidence in the NHS', by lying." At the very root lies an appalling litany of serial incompetence, indifference and even cruelty by front-line staff. Let us not forget the dreadful events themselves in Morecambe Bay hospitals, where at least 16 babies and two mothers are estimated to have died through neglect, and in Mid Staffs, neglect and cruelty reached such a pitch that patients drank from flower vases to relieve their thirst. 14 hospitals were investigated for unusually high death rates. And we know from example after sickening example that too many elderly patients are treated all too frequently with a callousness that defies belief. While thousands of NHS staff are highly professional and dedicated, far too many have simply lost the ethic of caring, and these failings are not being addressed; because what rules in the NHS, from top to bottom, is a culture of ruthless unaccountability in which the buck stops nowhere. Patients have no power to vote with their feet - as they do in insurance-based systems. Meanwhile, the regulators developed into a crazily spiralling bureaucracy answerable to no one and looking after their own interests instead. The NHS wash their hands of responsibility when things went wrong, Instead, they dump that burden upon the myriad quangos set up for that purpose -while wrapping themselves in the mantle of the potent NHS myth as Britain’s sanctified temple of compassion and altruism, as a result, the entire service knows it has to conspire to pretend that everything was for the best in the best of all possible health care systems - and anyone trying to tell the truth is threatened with the sack, gagged when they left or otherwise bullied by amoral apparatchiks. The CQC cannot be put right because the NHS cannot be put right for the root of this moral and professional corruption is that the entire bureaucracy of the NHS - up through the Secretary of State to the Prime Minister himself - conspires to tell the public the big lie that the NHS remains a national treasure because no other system matches it for decency and compassion, in fact, the opposite is true. And until that fact is honestly faced and its consequences translated into a radical rethink of healthcare delivery, the horror voiced in official circles at Morecambe Bay, Mid Staffs and the rest will be no more than crocodile tears.

[@mattexe27]

I wouldn’t begrudge someone who spent years and years studying incredibly hard to save lives a payrise. What if they saved your life, your child’s life? They deserve good pay as the stress they deal with is immense.

[@kerrybayton8356]

The NHS is over funded & is a complete money hole, it cost more & more every year & the cost will never go down as it is a black hole for money, 60,000£ a year is more than enough for the job they do, how about employing nurses, doctors, consultants, that can speak english because the last time i was in hospital i struggled to understand half of the people i spoke to & i had a nigerian consultant who was impossible to understand.. Junior doctors should not receive any more money..

[@TheKevswife]

The NHS are paying millions a month on translators. This would never be.

[@jean2740]

Yes stop paying for translator's put our money into what it's meant for health not migrents for medical care translator's, they wouldn't even get care in there own country, it's the over population !! That's draing the NHS all there free treatment blame them !!!

[@markrainford1219]

Go to a hospital in Spain, you have to pay for your own

[@ChristinaDavies-d6x]

Sickening

[@joannasuccess]

that is another very good point

[@Haroon-h2n]

Last time I checked its a diverse group paying tax over in London and contributing would appreciate the need of others to a point. Let's stop being so ignorant and dichotomous in our thinking

[@alecmartin2661]

NO WAY these 'junior doctors' deserve this pay rise ! Currently i have a relative in hospital, and imo the Dr's are a disgrace !! they have no idea what they are doing, she cant walk unassisted , she has been bedbound for the last 4 MONTHS, they are now threatening to send her home , they were telling us she was going to get a course of Physiotherapy 3-4 times a week, so far she has received 3 times in 4 MONTHS !!!

[@erertertert44]

junior doctors earn the same as someone woking in a supermarket or a coffee shop, Please explain how that makes any sense?

[@jarodbaker7718]

because they are juniors, not rocket science is it @@erertertert44

[@emmahowells8334]

This doctor is proof that they are more concerned with money than the patients they supposed to be caring for, people are dying and all she is concerned with is the pay. Everyone knows being a doctor at a hospital isn't an easy job and pay isn't fantastic, then if you can't handle that don't be a doctor do something else. These junior doctor also do private care work so they make extra there etc.

[@johnmccann5104]

Junior doctors are by definition "junior"...They are not consultants or surgeons ...They work their way up to that level and reap the rewards accordingly... A pcso doesn't earn as much as a chief inspector for obvious reasons....same principle 🤔 Not messaged in ages Emma so hope you are well and have had a good start to 2024🇬🇧x

[@graham2167]

Why shouldn’t doctors be rewarded for the difficult work that they do?.

[@EattheRich-re7kv]

@@graham2167 they are rewarded, as they climb firther up the ladder. All very clearly laid out before they decided to commit, so let flip it. Why SHOULDNT they just do what every other generation of doctors did and "struggle" on 25-40k (struggle, my arse...) before earning their 6 figure salaries when qualified? How would you feel if you employed builders to extend your home, and once they'd gutted it they said right, were going on strike til you pay up another 35%... I know how you'd feel then, when YOU lost out...

[@paradisekohchangstyle2150]

That's just the point though, isn't it? They can't handle being doctors due to the poor management and chronic underfunding of the NHS. So they are leaving - leaving in droves. Right? So they will keep leaving, as you have suggested. It's happening every day. Eventually, when there are no doctors left - because they have taken on board your sage advice - what is going to be your own solution to that ensuing crisis?

[@emmahowells8334]

@@paradisekohchangstyle2150 Then if they can't handle it, they shouldn't have become doctors, as the saying goes if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. The strikes are risking more lives, the that's the real risk,.it's not about conditions it's all about money, if it wasn't they wouldn't be asking for a high amount that they will never get.

[@GLENN999-z3q]

Too many in country and all Uk system aren’t working properly.

[@AffiliateJamboree]

"Is that before or after tax ?" what an incredibly disingenuous reply from the doctor there. Nobody but nobody ever talks about salary after tax. Everyone knows what 60k/year is, and to try and make out that is somehow a poor wage is dishonest at best and deliberate gaslighting at worst. These inexperienced doctors (and train drivers) are paid a fortune by most people's standards. The vast majority of people in this country won't be earning anywhere near that kind of money.

[@faircomment1841]

And the fact people don't talk about salaries after tax, national insurance and pension contributions makes this argument ridiculous. People look and talk about the headline salary but never talk about ACTUAL take home earnings. The assumption of an annual salary of £60,000 is what you see in your bank account annually without factoring in the cost of living, the contributions to TAX, council tax, value added TAX on goods and services, road TAX, national insurance and pension contributions are delusional. Sadly thats the reality of the life we all live, see a headline figure and assume thats what the individual can spend each year. Pathetic!

[@johnnotrealname8168]

The fact you have to ask that question begs the question of whether she thinks Doctors are rich.

[@forthfarean]

I agree. But I must say of the two jobs ,train drivers and doctors, I think the train drivers really do excel in getting money from the system.

[@christinaedwards5084]

@@faircomment1841to avoid the tax they sacrifice a larger portion of their wages into a pension, so they don’t get that money now but down the line they’ll be fine. People I know who earn 100k put 60k into a pension, pay themselves 12.5k, and other things as “expenses”. On paper they earn basically nothing. So avoid tax.

[@robertperkins923]

​@christinaedwards5084 so they deliberately put themselves in a position to take from a foodbank designed to help the genuinely destitute and then have the nerve to cry about it when really they're just a tax dodging criminal?

[@Woodzta]

"Is that before or after tax" Haha this woman must be a comedian.

[@Beachgirl00213]

NHS is on it's knees due to bad management. Medical staff should not be allowed to go on strike! If you're not happy with the pay and conditions, don't become a doctor!

[@Alexa-re8qr]

Sick ….its time Dr demands what they worth.

[@mharris7380]

Doctors aren't to blame for bad management.

[@tcoo1999]

@@Alexa-re8qr Exactly. I don't think people understand the pressure NHS staff are under. On top of being treated like crap for daring to look out for themselves.

[@wezbrum9430]

Let me explain because it is very simple. Junior doctors are paid: £60,000 in Australia, £46,000 in Canada, £41,900 in the USA, £43,700 in France and £29,384 in the UK. That's only slighlty higher than India, a much poorer country. The cost of becoming a doctor in the UK is around £230,000. It is expected to take 30 years for most doctors to pay off this debt. They are extremely underpaid and despite medical school costs rising dramatically in the last 15 years. Junior doctors have had a 26 percent real terms pay cut since 2008. Accounting for inflation, they are paid more than £10,000 less than they were 15 years ago. The British Medical Association (BMA) said that newly-qualified doctors earn just £14.09 an hour (€15.95), less than a barista at coffee shop chain Pret-a-manger (which pays £14.10, or €15.96).

[@matty6762]

That's a great attitude to take, clearly you are an intelligent person....

[@johncookson1478]

The one question not asked is if the Governement agreed to pay NHS Staff more money would Health Care in the NHS improve, speed up? They will get paid more but nothing will improve!

[@johnmcmurray-yl5lu]

As a retired dr, I find the strikes morally repugnant. An anecdote. Living in hospital as a junior doctor a bulb in my accommodation had blown. I was dressed down by the union, for replacing it myself, rather than getting mintenance to do it. I knew then the NHS is doomed.

[@TheAnonyy]

Then complain to government they are the ones deliberately running it down handing private contracts to their mates. I know many plenty that have left because of the the long hours, stress, and poor pay. I have had 2 major surgeries where they had skeleton staff i had to wait half an hour after pressing buzzer for someone to come along. The food the last time was truly horrendous and hardly anything on the plate, I've never seen anything like it. This is in normal time well before the strikes. Alot of nurses say a lot I their 50's retire creating massive shortfalls in staff those still there work longer shifts to try and cover. Then they too end up wanting to leave.

[@MrChriss000]

Crazy, isnt it? I am absolutely sure your edjumacation would have included enough physics to turn a light switch off before changing a lamp. (forgive me, I know a Jnr Doctor must be highly conversant in chemistry and biology but changing a lamp/ 3 pin plug/ plug fuse was yr 7 stuff when I was at school ). If you contacted maintenance the paperwork thru the chain before and after would have taken 2 man hours and it would have been accomplished 3 days later.

[@ilookafterthewater601]

As a retired brain surgeon, why are you bangin' on about morality? You're either a liar or delusional. Another brainless anecdote for you - everybody changes the bulbs. Now there are no bulb changers; they're all on the dole. Way to go, Dr. Doom 🤣

[@GolfingInParadise783]

Every government/state run entity. I had a bollocking for standing on a chair and changing a lightbulb when I was serving. 6 weeks after coming back from getting shot at in Afghan …madness.

[@sandramartin5809]

That was probably more to do with a union decision.

[@SC-tl3px]

£60k and stealing from the genuinely needy at foodbanks?! Utterly shameless behaviour. If they want more money when they start out, then take it from the ridiculously generous pensions they get at the end.

[@davidgraham6872]

Clueless.

[@mw89181]

The NHS is failing because of MASS IMMIGRATION. It worked perfectly fine when we had normal migration levels on the early 90s.

[@joycegibbs5267]

the NHS was built for a far lower population who mostly worked & whose suppliers didn't rip it off, but these lefties will keep saying it's because of lack of money. I completly despair. There's no truth anymore !!

[@samhodgins9804]

These NHS doctors knew wgat they were signing up for and act like they are working for free

[@benny210169]

£25bn the NHS paid in compensation because of negligence and possibly strikes. There's the pay rise. The amount of waste within the NHS is shocking.

[@fricozoid1]

"possibly strikes" - stop lying you pathetic waste of space.

[@kevincarr365]

It’s because the dr’s ain’t trained properly, like this woman is saying

[@bobsocks7575]

@eljay5009Agree it’s not underfunded it’s just poorly spent

[@benny210169]

@@kevincarr365 then they shouldn't be anywhere near patients. It's not the government that trains these folk to become doctors. The knowledge of medicine has existed for centuries and it isn't lost. I'd say it's down to the wrong sort of trainee. You know, the ones that will strike over ridiculous pay demands than rather treat patients. The sort who turn into GPs and are loathe to see their patients. You see, it isn't all one sided. There was a time when the doctor came to your house and treated you.

[@simonkensington-fellows6142]

Interesting that she changed from wanting a 35% pay rise to employing more staff by fixing the inefficiencies in the system! Perhaps if they started there instead of screaming ‘privatisation’ when anybody even suggests fixing the system they would get further.

[@goodyeoman4534]

It's about greed but they can't admit it openly. So instead they just move the goal posts as it suits them.

[@kyorin6526]

The privatisation is a massive issue though. The Tories basically launder massive amounts of money through the NHS to themselves and their donors, and then claim they're putting in record NHS funding. The privatisation has mostly already happened, people just haven't realised it yet. My GP is Virgin, if I need an ultrasound, it's Beehive, if I need my bloods done, it's Pathology First etc. etc. This is the Tory plan, run it into the ground, force the staff to leave by treating them so badly, and then claim that the only way is to finish the privatisation completely, and move to an insurance based system like the US. Fine for (some of) those with money, but potentially deadly for those that don't, or for those that have a pre-existing condition (that then won't even be able to get insurance anyway regardless of how welathy they are). The US healthcare system is the no. 1 cuase of bankruptcy in the US. Believe me, most people in the UK do NOT want this.

[@jamiec5932]

Guess you should apply for a role in the NHS recruitment then. Good luck finding anyone to do this job at the current rates. There's a reason they're all leaving for Australia. If you ever end up in an NHS hospital, please take solace in the fact that everyone responsible for your care is overworked, underpaid, stressed, and tired. And know that it's a political decision to make it that way.

[@joycegibbs5267]

why aren't they asking the hospital Managers where the pay is. They're in charge of the money aren't they? This is purely political IMO & they're using ill/dying people to get their way.

[@muirislandjim453]

It's not a pay rise its a pay reinstatement.

[@MrDavidUno]

My sister in law not long after becoming a GP in London decided to move to the countryside. The NHS paid her rent whilst she house hunted and storage for her belongings , about a year. That was a time when London was offerìng incentives for GPs to relocate there. She found a rural practice, a few hours per day. It's no surprise that the NHS Is always in trouble.

[@darrenmackenzie1892]

Disgusting....

[@adihotson8132]

If a junior doctor gets 60k a year then so should a serviceman even thoses who have served 20years in wars risk8ng there lives dont even get that its just greed

[@Sionnach1601]

There are many now risking their lives and completely sacrificing their finances to fight the war of stealth in our countries today. Imprisonment and criminal records, poverty, destitution, all to fight govt overreach and state corruption. Nothing is ever said about those new soldiers of today. At least a military soldier gets SOME pay and a pension, and also gets "Thank you for your service everywhere he goes." We get nothing absolutely nothing

[@jordizee]

Id love to see these doctors p60 and see how much they really earn.

[@taffyterrier]

They don’t earn it - they are paid it.

[@Dollybird198]

@@taffyterrierwell they do earn it because they’re working they’re not getting paid for nothing are they

[@taffyterrier]

@@Dollybird198 As they are overpaid the salary is not earned.

[@micksmixxx]

@@Dollybird198 I can see that YOU are missing the point again! 💩

[@Lord-hoboco777]

They should all be made to do manual labour jobs for a few months at £11 per hour they'll soon go back to the NHS without complaining they're hard done by

[@Misheva]

yes, pay for training for 5 or 6 years after incredibly hard to get into medical school, then go work for £11 an hour!

[@edzombie78]

60k a year 3.5k a month after tax and says she goes to a food bank😂😂😂

[@gxyb766]

I don't know how anyone could live on that in London. A crappy flat in my area rents for almost £3k a month, and I'm not in an especially posh bit. Very glad I didn't go to medical school!

[@fireman-phil7307]

Such a LIAR that woman.

[@SamBendsHollings]

@@gxyb766 that simply isnt true. u can guy a one bed flat in london for 1k a month. no need to spend 3k a month on a one bedroom flat.

[@BollocksToThat]

Then how do immigrants live in London? ​@@gxyb766

[@PovilasPanavas]

@@gxyb766 this is bullshit. Zone two, like 15 min walk from canary worth will give you a nice 2 bedroom apartment which a huge master bedroom which is en-suite (thus apartment actually has two bathrooms). The building is almost new. The same flat also has a big balcony by the full length of flat. 3000 a month? That must be zone 1. No reason to live in zone 1, when you can cycle or use public transport just fine from 2-4 zones.

[@markbowdenhyp]

The Junior Doctor was excellent. The interview was just an angry old man ranting and being articulately educated in what is happening. Unfortunately the angry old man was only interested in his own voice.

[@taffyterrier]

The junior doctor is only interested in money - not patient care.

[@markbowdenhyp]

@@taffyterrier that isn’t true. Someone like this could make a lot more money elsewhere or by going private. There is a media and political narrative that these doctors don’t care and it’s all about the money. It’s the opposite. They are doing it because they do care and something needs to change or more people are going to die in the long term…. Possibly leading to the collapse of the whole NHS. It’s is the funding that is putting lives at risk… not the doctors who are trying desperately to work a broken system

[@taffyterrier]

@@markbowdenhyp No one outside the NHS is dumb enough to employ her. The NHS is not underfunded. Paying her and her ilk more will leave less money to hire more doctors. If junior whingers wanted to improve the NHS for patients they would striking for more staff - not bigger salaries for themselves.

[@myheathenheart1259]

The nhs needs to cut all the diversity equity and inclusion managers and that would free up a lot of wasted money

[@freetobeme6013]

She’s incredibly arrogant. She took an oath to protect life yet their conditions mean more.

[@Peter-Ac]

so she took an oath . By your reasoning she should expect to be paid nothing. And you say she is arrogant. Look in the mirror dear. If Junior Doctor got paid the full 35%, it will leave many of them under £20 per hour. I was charged £75 an hour for a car mechanic and just under £100 per hour for a plumber. These doctors are saving lives on a daily basis. The bald idiot with the glasses would be crying like a baby if he couldn't get Doctor - seen his type many times.

[@fricozoid1]

A better worklife for doctors WOULD protect life. If there are more, happier and better rested doctors then that would obviously lead to better results. Sorry you're just angry your Tory heroes have screwed EVERYTHING up.

[@Lakesider52]

@@fricozoid1 How are you so sure they (who?) are his/her "Tory heroes?" There was absolutely nothing "Tory" about the point made by freetobeme6013.

[@freetobeme6013]

@@fricozoid1 I agree but the gov aren’t really helping the situation and patients who’ve lost someone won’t look further than the healthcare staff.

[@freetobeme6013]

@@Lakesider52 never said I was a Tory… I vote on policy, supporting a group, for me, seems irresponsible.

[@pamelagaull3928]

Believe me NHS Scotland is in a mess. I had to use my savings to pay £13K for a shoulder replacement. NHS surgeon said my useless painful arm just needed GP injections. I’m 76 and paid full Nat Ins for 43 years. I lived in England and worked for 25yrs. If Scotland gets independence I’ll be heading south. It’s noticeably a shambles on all fronts since last I lived here.

[@longdongsilver1255]

Ive been left with nerve damage due to the great care of the NHS

[@davebolan7282]

Suffered my 5th heart attack in september, saw triage after 35 minutes of being stood around, then placed into a waiting room with 6 other people, all waiting to be seen by doctors for 4 and a half hours. Asked a nurse how long it would take to be seen, to be told 'i'm not here to answer questions', with that i left the hospital.

[@oneshottscott7822]

I love the nhs don’t get me wrong but find myself agreeing with these 2 on this one

[@evelynvanzale4757]

What's left to love! The NHS has betrayed every original principle they purported to represent (the last four years proved that)! It is a rotting institution from the inside out. They've embraced DEI with dedicated adherence, continue to box-tick and fulfill 'quotas' with a vengeance and were too busy inviting staff to 'take the knee' during the whole blm grift (and Covid) to treat patients, so no, there's nothing left to love!

[@davidcooks2379]

They have no arguments though, they just interrupt her and each other. The point is that doctors are leaving because they can get more money elsewhere thus leaving those remaining doctors under more stress and at lower salary. Less doctors cannot do the same job as more doctors.

[@_bav]

@@davidcooks2379 Junior doctors were aware of the renumeration scale at the point they made their career choice, which, for the vast majority, was way after 2008, so why are they demanding restoration of pay levels to that point? The answer is primarily because they're political agitators and, secondarily, they are just plain greedy.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@davidcooks2379 Doctors leaving is the problem.

[@alangarden1597]

while i was recently on kidney dialysis when there was nursing shortages the hospital called in private nurses who were getting £50 an hour and i can tell you the nhs nurses were furious as they were doing the same job for well less than half that

[@aaronemerson7079]

The issue with the NHS is top down, if I could change it, it would start at the top. Get rid of the dead weight, bring in people who have the experience of what it is like in the NHS, someone with enough about them that they don't treat the NHS as a business and people as customers. That's the problem, then get rid of the BS affirmation quota, only the best will do, not second best, if a black person or Filipino is the best choice, great, employ them, if not, get rid. Cap management salaries as they are earning far more than they deserve and get bonuses for a failing system... How? That will free up enough money to actually employ more into primary care and nursing

[@anthonyferris8912]

£65,000..is that before tax?….And she kept a straight face! Love it 🤣😂

[@davian68]

Council chiefs £125,000 a year , No 5 years training, no night shifts, no weekends, no £100,000 student loan, cutting back on council services, early retirement on FULL pension OH and no life saving skills to be called on instantly 24/7 , which one do you want looking out for you in A and E or setting little johnys broken arm ?

[@anthonyferris8912]

@@davian68 Why do you suppose I think Council chiefs are worth their money?

[@iandonald7551]

Compare with train drivers?

[@pickleperryemz]

I’d rather pay my taxes to beef up the army than pay this entitled woman another penny.

[@petersinclair8620]

These young doctors should remebmer their oath "Do No Harm". Going on strike will inevitably cause harm!

[@DaveCorbey]

They don't take the Hippocratic oath any more, have not done so for a very long time.

[@janehawkes-pe8bp]

When a junior doctor saw me he told me to go home and see my doctor on Monday, got off bed couldn’t breathe and it was the staff nurse who told me to stay where I am. Spent a week in hospital on medication and oxygen

[@zenaidawalton982]

Woman if you’re not happy to work with NHS, then go out.

[@sidm3300]

She was crowned Miss England in 2019 and is a model. Why does she need to work as a doctor?

[@Barbarian75]

Do they want more doctors in the hospital or more salary per currently existing doctors? Not sure if she was clear.

[@sidnotvicious8442]

She believes in the magic money tree. To paraphrase her "It's not the taxpayers who have to pay for our outrageous demands, it's the government."!!!

[@NicolaDietrich]

I support junior doctors asking for a 35% payrise. It actually amounts to a 4% paycut. If the government thinks this is unaffordable why do they think ordinary people can afford paycuts like this? The doctors are not sacrificing patients. The government is. Some of the people in this government are the people who benefited financially from Covid to the tune of millions while people were dying. Focus on that.

[@taffyterrier]

Junior doctors are overpaid.

[@Thomas-fr1ww]

People are dying because of these strikes end of chat And the junior doctors know this and are using this as leverage to get what they want Disgusting

[@marktan3327]

Avoidable deaths were increasing before strikes. Wake up

[@nicolashardlow2347]

Well said 👏 woke liberals to blame

[@brianbell3836]

@@nicolashardlow2347The Tories are responsible, Nick. They've been in power fifteen years.

[@allanbridgewater259]

Got to laugh at Whale telling her to calm down when he is almost foaming at the mouth 🤣

[@liamf7838]

yep he out of order right wing angry old man

[@isobeljohnshoward]

I know, Whale is a revolting man.

[@1aatlas]

The only sacrifices they're willing to make is our loved ones.