'You really can't have it all': Martina Navratilova weighs in on trans women sport ban

It is just not fair for women to compete against biological males no matter how long they have been on hormone therapy, says global tennis legend Martina Navratilova.
Swimming's world governing body FINA on June 19 voted to restrict the participation of transgender athletes in elite women's competitions and create a working group to establish an "open" category for them in some events as part of its new policy.
Ms Navratilova said she supports the increasing bans on trans athletes in international sporting events as "sports biology matters".
"Live your life to the fullest but you really can't have it all and sports biology matters," she told Sky News Australia host Piers Morgan.
"it's just not fair.
"If they've gone through that male puberty you really cannot make it a fair fight at the end at all."

[@bowecho]

How the F did we get bullied into going along with these delusions? We have gone from tolerance to FORCED acceptance.

[@justintimemagddelow672]

Y'all got bullied, NOT ME lol.

[@redfirebelle]

Even I’m wondering when… I think it was during the past 2 years over the pandemic. Also guessing tons of mental health struggles occurred over the period.

[@gooble69]

The invention of the internet and social media allowed all the stupid people a voice. And since empty vessels make the loudest noise, the opinions of stupid people are over-represented in any discussion.

[@Bokgat]

Because most of you voted against trump. From the frying pan to the fire

[@gloriaambrose2840]

The cancel culture is to be blamed

[@denisenoemyschizotypaldiso3755]

"I've played taller women and won. I've played stronger women and won. But if I played a good male player, I would lose. That's basic biology." -- Martina Navratilova.

[@pennyp7382]

This was a great interview. 👏

[@denisenoemyschizotypaldiso3755]

@@pennyp7382 Yes, it was.

[@taxicamel]

....and when Serena Williams was asked the same question about playing against a man, her answer was the same .....she could never win against a male tennis player. The problem is a combination of trans who insist on pushing their "rights" as their argument ....and very weak people in positions of authority.......who can only follow the letter of the law, rather than thinking for themselves and collectively, using "common sense", to come up with the very obvious answer. .

[@jde9711]

Amaizing Answers ❤

[@halleberry7375]

Well said Martina

[@Mewmewmew1510]

Asking for fairness in sports is not transphobia. Period !

[@denisenoe3702]

Fairness is not the only problem. Meaningfulness is vital. A trans-female CANNOT set a MEANINGFUL female record because she's not in a completely female body.

[@lauraragazzi464]

I'm old enough to remember Martina's coming out. She was so brave and changed things into better. The trans activists are attacking her because, as usual, she is telling the truth. I stand with Martina

[@rosemarybaaw695]

Me too. She unfortunately had some hard times when she came out but the strength of character and belief in herself to overcome all of the negativity. Go Martina and all the other strong women who are taking a stand for fairness and against bullying.

[@oriel9347]

Yes they are bullies why does nobody just come out and say it. This is bullying. Infringing on others rights, threatening innocent people, they are trans terrorists frightening and forcing people to kowtow to their aggressive egos. They have no decent, humane intent. They are just selfish bullies.

[@dawsie]

Yes I too remember that far back, had to look it up I was shocked at how far back that was, now I really feel old, but she stood her ground then and she will stand her ground now and knowing that her trainer was a trans woman and has been for almost half a century she has every right to weigh in on this issue as well. Finally people who are tired of others being canceled because they stand up for the rights of women.

[@rosemarybaxter9120]

‘In sports, biology matters.’ Common sense at last!

[@ulflyng4072]

But in jobs not....they want to eat the cake and (edit)keep it

[@reichbates6548]

In marriage sex matters too!

[@stuartbuncher5381]

@@reichbates6548especially in a gay marriage. To two men of the same sex, as aberrant as it is, sex matters.

[@lol-ot4pn]

@@ulflyng4072 it doesnt matter in jobs too. the argument there is that out biology also dictates what we want as jobs.

[@famnd460]

Yes comon sense coming from a someone who know SPORT and what she is talking about " BIOLOGY does matter"...We need to believe in the Bing Bang Theory but not in BIOLOGY Facts...I am so lost here..

[@bokoya8396]

A wise man once said- "If you're tolerant of everything, then you stand for nothing."

[@priqito]

You mean Andrew Tate

[@uzibah4889]

if you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything.

[@susanoline5823]

Another said, I do wish you would show me the same amount of tolerance you expect me to show you.

[@priqito]

@@susanoline5823 you mean respect because a murder can tolerate you but would you give him the same tolerance??

[@uzibah4889]

That was me and I'm a woman 🙂

[@ade3628]

How can she say "your trying to trick me" ? You can't trick someone into an answer if your answer is the truth. She buried herself

[@elainearchbold259]

WHAT A SILLY PERSON. WE NOW LIVE IN AN ERA OF NON FREE SPEECH ESPECIALLY FOR FEMALES . LOOK AT COUNTRIES THAT TREAT WOMEN WORSE THAN ANIMALS.THE LABOUR PARTY SHOULD WATCH OUT WOMENS VOTES CAN MAKE OR BREAK YOU.

[@cherylgreen895]

She is scared to be cancelled, that's why.

[@denisenoe3702]

A woman is an "adult human female." Doesn't matter whether or not she is "feminine," what her interests are, what her talents are, or whatever. An adult human female is a woman even if she never wears makeup, jewelry, or skirts. A dog is a dog even if the dog never barks or has a tail or leg amputated.

[@creativestudio101]

Martina pulls no punches, she totally tells it like it is. She's got courage, takes no bullshit, was a true trailblazer when it was hard to be one, in the 70s and 80s... Respect

[@bamakaze]

We went from telling kids "just be yourself" to saying "be something else if you aren't comfortable."

[@criticalbiker1273]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGrPhHVrZpqjotk

[@curtism8707]

Oh don’t forget the days of I don’t label me I’m more then a label to , these are All my labels don’t get them wrong , what are your labels

[@scubasteve7022]

So true. 😮‍💨

[@lemsip207]

It's not surprising that countries such as Thailand, Pakistan and Morocco allowed sex change operations before the UK did as there is less sex equality and more homophobia so it's used as a way to cure homosexuality and people who aren't gender conforming.

[@love-ip7sz]

That's exactly what it is and that's what I found so uncomfortable when I notice how young people act online. You're not embracing who you are by identifying as trans or non binary , you are likely a lesbian running away from who are actually, the same thing goes for mtf trans people. Some people call it a homophobic movement and I see their point at times.

[@Danny-fs1hk]

Thank you Martina. Trans athletes should compete against other trans athletes.

[@anicamiljevic8803]

Agree 💯

[@olympiahendrix4392]

Everyone has their own olympics by now. Makes perfect sense. Let them fight among themselves over hormone levels! LOLOL

[@annsumner8570]

I have been saying this for 2 years.

[@judiththirlwell417]

@@annsumner8570 and we all need to keep saying it. Thankyou for keeping on it and asking other voices to join. 🗣️🌻👏💕

[@tadroid3858]

BINGO!!

[@zoecoote3746]

I couldn’t finish this. It made me to mad. Martins Navratilova nailed it. You don’t see this in men’s sport. No man is having to define himself. It says a lot. It’s not about trans people. It’s about trans women only and the erasure of women only. Women have only been able to compete without judgement for ONE generation. ONE ! Has no one looked at the history of women’s sport ? That idiot saying that anyone that identifies as a woman is one. Should be sacked. How can she hate us so much ?And it is, it’s hate:

[@Revelian1982]

Martina Navratilova is the greatest female tennis player of all time. A supreme athlete and fierce competitor. She is also the LGB community's staunchest ally. God bless her.

[@henrymancini3750]

Imagine someone from 60 years ago being transported to 2022 and watching this trans lunacy. They'd think they were in an episode of the Twilight zone.

[@richardparmenter188]

We ARE in the twilight zone.

[@christopher_ecclestone]

Even 10-15 years ago

[@constancemiller3753]

@@richardparmenter188 that👨‍🦰 cornfields episode.😳🃏

[@cyclist68]

Can you imagine where we will be in 60 yrs time

[@nevertrustthegovernment7749]

God bless you 🙏 Love your sense of humour 👏 👌 😄

[@BenRai2k]

If JK is too filthy for them, they should really give away all the money they made from her property. But nah of course they wont.

[@kellysouter4381]

J,K was right. Won't there be some red faces when time marches on and leaves those brats behind.

[@lemsip207]

@@kellysouter4381 She made them famous and they are third rate actors so aren't getting many good parts in films and TV dramas. Hopefully they won't get any parts in future. Jessica Cave who was in Harry Potter and then Pride isn't getting acting roles now and is struggling to stay in the public eye through any means. All she does is just make a fool of herself. Same with Emma Watson.

[@twinkiesnails8857]

def agree, it honestly could even be that they flat out arent allowed to discuss her or risk alienating fans/work. i hope they support her secretly and just cant pick a side

[@aprilrae6551]

J.K. Rowling's will be respected in history as a Woman who stood her ground, in the face of violent threats from delysional Males. This how we know they still all Male.

[@Jo-id9zm]

@@lemsip207 As a fan of Harry Potter, Emma Watson annoys the shit out of me.

[@pegasus5287]

Martina has always been so well spoken and genuine. I loved watching her play and its nice to see her again.

[@urbansetter1]

I met her and saw her play. She was serve and volley no woman can do that. I respect her

[@lostwithjack14]

Brilliant point, what is a man is never asked. Well done Martina!

[@acuerdo3]

Even with taking testosterone pills, a woman would not be able to win a race. It was shown that a woman athlete had taken testosterone before competing and had won her race and was later disqualified. But she still ran slower than the last man (same category) that year. Even with testosterone, women cannot win but would still be among the last ones. Is it fair that when men switch to the women category they win all the time and get the medals and scholarships but if women switch to the men’s category there is not a chance that they’ll win.

[@LisaBeta-42]

Man is the short form for HUMAN - opposed to animal. So women lost their "place in mankind" already, by being differentiated as a WOMAN (lesser status, risk of pregnancy and other biological differences). And now some people think "being a woman" is soooo much "better" - they dress up and feel more female than any tom-boy who avoids make-up (it's somehow sexist, to place "sexual identity" on clothing). The main problem is, that all the activists use differnt languages where the WORDS sound alike but have a totally different meaning! In sports you should look at biology, in the workplace at the feeling of theself proclaimed gender - in bathrooms it is important to make the users feel secure and safe: don't freak girls and women out with male bodyshapes. Use the unisex stalls or single cubicels! In 1984 the German songwriter Herbert Grönemeyer looked at this definition of men with his song "Männer" (men) - every stereotype you might imagine PLUS all the soft sides they try to hide away (nearly 40 years ago)

[@Iamfirebird360]

People have to take a stand. Don't accept delusion as reality. Speak up for what's right.

[@criticalbiker1273]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGrPhHVrZpqjotk

[@Ed-ig7fj]

In order to squelch logic and the truth, the governments of some countries can jail you for hate speech if you point out that a person with a penis and XY chromosomes is a man. The left is coming for your rights! --Old Guy

[@alanbbrady8196]

What's right? Says who?

[@normatemp2071]

Trans people are not delusional. They are truly trans.

[@criticalbiker1273]

@@normatemp2071 - So those who identify as aliens, cats and dogs or a 63yrs old man identifying as a 5yr old are identifying as what they are? Are these people not ill and need the the appropriate help and psychological intervention to support their recovery rather than chopping their ears and fingers off to look like an alien Because that is the reality of what is happening. How do you explain the large numbers of people who are now going through a de-trans process, how do you explain as in their words that they were ill and manipulated into undergoing surgery and take cancer causing medication in the form of hormone blockers or do we just ignore that elephant in the room? The trans ideology is built on a mountain of disinformation and corporate medical corruption supported by criminal doctors who get paid tens of thousands of pounds to out carry gender reassignment surgery on people who are ill and that is criminal. There are no poor gender reassignment surgeons. Just saying.

[@nebulous6660]

The fact that this even needs to be argued or explained shows how far this world has fallen into insanity.

[@VvvvvaVvvvvvr]

I want Putin to nuke ukraine and kick off a nuclear war. We need to kill the weak.

[@cybomakh210]

Trust me, it's not the world, it's part of the world, specific parts lol.. U can never get this nonsense in my part of the world

[@douglassmith215]

@@cybomakh210where are you from? Where is sane???

[@angelh5762]

@@douglassmith215 anywhere but the west.

[@christinedumas6193]

How far a liittle group has infiltred all our institution dear, common people don't agree with those activist

[@hotelbastardos2090]

I thought if athletes take drugs to alter and change their natural selves was illegal in professional sports? How can it be so accurately measured to create a truly level playing field!? It’s just NOT fair.

[@michellemcg6614]

Piers, thank you for standing up for us. I was and high school and college gymnast who competed at an elite level and would not have achieved the accomplishments I did if I had to compete with biological males.

[@mysticaltyger2009]

It's horrifying that there even needs to be a discussion about this.

[@0rbit80y]

THATS'S RACIST!!!

[@Blue24Osprey]

@@0rbit80y 🤣

[@wade5941]

It really is bizarre.

[@uzibah4889]

it is crazy but we can't stop!

[@TheOnyeche]

Really horrifying 😢

[@rael6974]

I can’t even believe this is a debate.

[@taylorwarren2000]

Right?

[@Swansong321]

Well..it's NOT a debate..bc if you disagree with them..you're shut down and cancelled..NO debate..look at JK..it's ridiculous

[@lilpoohbear653]

pure madness

[@2Oldcoots]

Dear Ms. Navratilova: Thank You for all the wonderful years of brilliant performances and your overall courage!!!

[@lilmoi8820]

Martina is a legend and a very courageous woman.

[@Omegaspeedmaster69]

My wife said I'm so immature,so I now identity as an 8 year old and have just won all the races at the school's sports day😎 A big thanks to the leftwing for making my life better😘

[@taylorbreeden1522]

You only won because your happier when you identify as an 8 yr old, it’s certainly not because of any physical advantage 😉

[@justintimemagddelow672]

Im the 2 year old runner up that is a unicorn.

[@Liz-ek3hc]

😂😂🤣 I believe you!

[@kareenah9290]

😂😂😂😂

[@BellaDrips]

Winning! 🏆

[@amperez7636]

There’s no such thing as a “trans -woman”, or trans anything for that matter. One thing does not simply become another. That should be self evident truth. Truly sinister that it no longer is.

[@danielcoetzee5793]

you've obviously never heard of Alchemy, the Philosopher's stone, the Fairy Godmother or the Liberals' Bull sh*t converter...! One thing CAN INDEED simply turn into another...: They've turned the whole country (and the whole world) into sh*t over night! (even Nascar, NBA and NFL ...!)

[@humanbeingscanb2evil]

My money is on any dude who says he is a woman to win in sports was a total loser in his gender in that sport. Only loser men would claim they are a woman just so they can come in first. Fucking low lifes is what I call them The simple solution to this problem if there are that many trans in sports is they start their own sports teams and compete against each other. Far loonie Lefties claim they are for woman’s rights while shitting all over women’s rights,hypocrites.

[@beehappy26]

exactly 💯

[@Jagg61]

The largest body of people who will stand and deny. In the face of truth, fact and science.

[@Iburn247]

If they can make us capitulate and say a man is a women and vice versa... They can get us to say and do anything

[@HappyLife-wv5ms]

EXACTLY! So ONE sided. Thank you Martina. Applies to the whole restroom issue also. Once again an attack on women’s rights. 😡

[@tarajordan2629]

If Trans women want to compete in sports, let them compete with only other Trans women. That is the only fair solution. Women, naturally born, biological women, have come too far to be put through this totally unfair situation of allowing Trans women to compete amongst them as equals. I congratulate all the biological born women who have completed all these years. You are the generation that inspires those younger girls to not give up and compete. Stay strong ladies14:02

[@soph5161]

Martina was a trail blazer in Womens tennis and the Gay Womens movements. She is a sane advocate for womens rights in and out of sport. Biology does indeed matter. More power to you Martina. Thank you for bravely saying what needs to be said at such a critical time.

[@cathynielsen-kolding929]

They turn on people on a dime.

[@malegi29]

Indeed. I feel blessed to have witnessed tennis golden years (80s & 90s).

[@BKPrice]

"What is a woman?" "Someone who identifies as a woman." "What is the thing they identify as?" "A woman." "What is a woman?"

[@khchoi2012]

Sounds like a future rap hit.

[@JohnJ469]

Which shows they have no idea about logic or science. They create circular logic and don't even know it.

[@obbhoy]

So stupid that they can't even answer a simple question 😂😂, I love how pissed off they are that they kno it's so unbelievably stupid this 'arguement' about wot is a woman, it's hilarious how crazy they get

[@dannyarcher6370]

"What _is_ that?"

[@danielcoetzee5793]

The circle is complete...: you are now trapped and doomed to go around in circles forever! There is NO escape!

[@queenofmyownuniverse2339]

What a credible and balanced viewpoint from the world tennis legend that is Martina Navratilova ! She hit the nail on the head! Love this lady!

[@cathyreece9914]

Thanks for this- once males have gone through puberty- they have unfair advantage competing is sports- UNDENIABLE!!!

[@PatrickFDolan]

I want to see a female transgender fight a male heavyweight boxer. I would literally pay to see this equality in action.

[@Moonstonn]

It's happened -don't recall the exact names and date of fight but in a UFC fight with a transgender male (female to male), the male struck the trans male into a blackout/serious head injury

[@adencrag7155]

So you wish to see a delusional Woman Die. Ok!

[@DepDawg]

Fallon Fox is a male who fought in women’s UFC. He fought Tamikka Brents in 2014. Brents suffered a concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to her head in a 1st round KO. Fallon Fox is a woman beating POS! 💩

[@adencrag7155]

@P A It would be destroyed. 30 seconds max.

[@etiennedevignolles7538]

It would be a very short fight.

[@simonclare100]

About time sports authorities woke up to this nonsense and kept sport fare, respect to Martina

[@andreungerer3531]

The woke simply don't wake up.

[@simonclare100]

@@andreungerer3531 I do agree with you

[@lemsip207]

And also to Sharron Davies. She lost to East German swimmers who were on testosterone giving them an advantage. This was before there was mandatory drugs testing in sports. Transmen would be on testosterone giving them an advantage over other women in sports just as transwomen have an advantage over women.

[@williamlewis4680]

That's the problem. They did "woke" up.

[@simonclare100]

@@williamlewis4680 yes has to be said they fell for the nonsense

[@carolegeddes998]

A truly wonderful athlete, Martina is articulate, intelligent and very down to earth sensible.

[@ChollieD]

Thank goodness for Martina! What a great champion. Long live women's tennis.

[@alexisa.9322]

We have got to stand up for ourselves! As an adult human female, I am a woman.

[@bernadettespeakman355]

One easy point to make IMO is that female born athletes at puberty start their monthly periods cycles. These can affect their performances even if medically suppressed. When transgender males start to have monthly periods as well, along with the other cyclic changes that female born athletes experience, then IMO there is some levelling out. However as Martina says, male puberty does give unfair advantages, and I would add that female puberty leads to unfair disadvantage for women being made to compete against transgender athletes. From a retired UK nurse and midwife. 🤰

[@TREW24]

@@bernadettespeakman355 there's no evidence that a monthly period is an offset for the performance, muscle boosting properties of testosterone. I don't think that addresses the unfairness in this nonsense at all.

[@robbieskids9159]

Good for you champ. But until you can beat males in sport you'll always have a second rate competition. As Kathy Freeman once said "Stop complaining and start training".

[@mike60521x]

looks like megan rapinoie thinks trans women are better women than actual women she basically said actual women that dont agree with her are too ignorant to know this

[@markcortez5685]

It's lgbtq and alot of straight women help open this door to the trans community wanting to be trendy yall thought that transpeople would attack man hood like feminism has for last 30 years did but it didn't it went straight for you all lol karma is what's happening godz wrath is what's happening lololol at all of you 😂

[@Robitron1234]

I was born 51 years ago but if I "identified" as a 4 year old, does that mean I get free tickets on airplanes? I was born a human but if I "identify" as a dragon, does that mean I can breathe fire? I was born a man, but if I "identify" as a woman, does than mean my Y chromosome magically disappears? You would expect this type of idea from a child, but adults should know better. You can play make believe all you want but reality is real. That doesn't change. Gender identity does not mean gender reality.

[@Amish07]

Free tickets yeeeey!😂😂😂😂😂

[@keithgriffiths9864]

I'm going to identify as a 67yr old, and demand my old age pension now.

[@suesmythe4115]

I agree where did this I identify logic start ? how was it not laughed out of existence when it started

[@nessapainter]

Bless Martina. She's always had a sane and brilliant brain !!

[@lcox6468]

Yes this is a man’s issue,let’s start defining what a man is! Love you Martina always have as a tennis player and as a human.

[@jan9562]

'Born a biological man' = always a biological man. We must not lie about this, and especially not to children. Safeguarding, and supporting children to listen to their instinct is so important.

[@joecoolioness6399]

I refuse to say biological. If you have a Y chromosome you are a MAN. If you don't then you are a WOMAN. PERIOD.

[@michelegrant2303]

I have zero respect for a grown ass man competing against 13 yr old girls and actually feeling good about that…:he is a sick prick! ZERO RESPECT FOR YOU MAN….I hope you get help soon!

[@anonymouse4138]

How come dogs and cats never identify as trans?

[@normatemp2071]

Sex and gender are separate concepts. Trans people have no choice not to be trans.

[@catherinetomoney2707]

How do you know?

[@heatherhuffy4135]

You can't have it all when you change the rules to achieve it. That's cheating.

[@davidpeters6536]

Equality and parity in all things. Drop gender from all sport.

[@josmith1815]

@@davidpeters6536 thankyou for talking sense. Wman fought for exactly that, equal OPPORTUNITY, but as soon as they realised it didn't give them an advantage in certain areas they changed it again. Total hypocrites

[@ppheanix]

People and politicians are not incapable to answer the question, "what is a woman ?" -- THEY ARE DEAD SCARED OF BEING CANCELED !! I guess one day they will realise that the percentage of their constituents who would vote against them is SO small, they should NOT be worried !

[@kayegooey7454]

Martina, what a great person.

[@mickeyandres2651]

Thank you Martina you’re always a logical voice in chaos.

[@harryricochet8134]

No she isn't, she's an utterly obnoxious anti-theist bigot whose harassment of Margaret Court has been getting a free pass from the progressive MSM for years. Margaret Court has dedicated her life to upholding her faith and significant charitable work for decades only to be harangued and verbally insulted by Navratilova and the vile predatory groomer Rainbow Lobby. She's just realised that she and her little friends have finally gone way too far and is now trying to distance herself in a typical display of self-indulgence.

[@britishpatriot7386]

absolutely. KZbin deleted a comment here already, they don't like free speech obviously.

[@bestdoggamingthelittlepupp129]

Except if you stand by the word of God. Then she’s not so tolerant.

[@doggdogg6019]

The word of god is fantasy and fictitious, used by organised religions to control people with fear. She isn't obliged to tolerate your imagination.

[@bestdoggamingthelittlepupp129]

@@doggdogg6019 No that’s the woke brigade who control with fear and lies straight from the devil. My God is alive today, tomorrow and forever🥰

[@gregmccartney5780]

Who’d thought a champion woman’s tennis player and legend would have to defend other women against a mass psychosis like this. Social media on young minds have a lot to answer for.

[@mariaherradi8732]

She is a veteran in sports !

[@gregmccartney5780]

@@mariaherradi8732 yes. She is. I think you missed my point. The woman is a certified Legend.

[@love-ip7sz]

That's exactly what it is, mass psychosis, I sometimes look up gender non binary TikTok videos and scroll through the comments. You can tell by their pics and the way they type these are sometimes twelve year olds and they are saying things like "I'm trying to find the right gender label for me, help! I like these girl things but don't like this about being a girl and I like boy things" I wish I was being dramatic but not very much so...

[@jennifercarnes4451]

That IS the TRUTH!

[@gaysy1st]

@@love-ip7sz God, that sounds like an horrific minefield. I don't think I'll venture over to Tik Tok. Do you ever try to talk to them, or can't you do that on Tik Tok? Old person enquiry here! 🤣

[@judiththirlwell417]

I have always had the highest respect for Martina, I remember her playing. Her skill and dedication. I wish her well always. These are the conversations that need to be had. Every 20-30 years Women are having to go through the same fight, to have our safe spaces, to have rights over our own bodies. Are we back in the middle ages? We have survived Epstein and Weinstein to have Me Too, but now that is lost? Why are we having to prove Women are Women? What are we being distracted from?

[@joangrennan886]

I am reading this conversation 11 months after it took place .Since then Piers has proved to a be great ally for real woman .He has defended us at every oppurtunity . I think it can only be resolved in the courts because in the meantime men/ trans women have been making a mockery of wmns rights .Again many tks to Piers , and shame on Tom Daly .Women are suffering domestic violence at shocking levels because they are not strong enough to defend themselves .

[@judiththirlwell417]

@@joangrennan886 yes, Piers is a great ally, intelligent and articulate. Does not get lost in other's semantics and pushes back on BS.🌻

[@n.miller907]

Christ. I now live in a world where I'm in agreement with Piers Morgan! Go figure.

[@rebeccalavoy6655]

Don't use The Christ as slang or a curse word.

[@n.miller907]

@@rebeccalavoy6655 Those are rules imposed by your religious doctrine. Since I'm an atheist, the use of the word "Christ" has about the same symbolic meaning as the phrase "oh God, oh God" when atheists (and Christians) have orgasms. Which words are offensive to people varies dramatically from country to country and throughout different periods of time. I learned that the world "bloody" was highly offensive to people in England a hundred years ago, just like seeing anything more than an ankle on a woman was considered "indecent". Times change. If you hang around an elementary schoolyard today, the use of the word "Christ" would be the least of your worries. Believe me. (And I live across an elementary schoolyard so I know first-hand what kind of language children are used to using.) If you intend on censoring me or telling others what they can say on a public forum, then you are surfing in the wrong place here on KZbin. I can assure you that if there was an actual Christ, he'd be far more offended and upset by other human behaviour which goes on rampantly on a daily basis. (Remember, your God gave us free will, so maybe he should have changed his "recipe" for the human race instead of asking his minions to become the thought police and language dictators of the world.) I'm not saying this to be mean to you. If you were in my presence, I probably would curb my language based on the situation we were in, but online, I'm following the KZbin terms of use policies to the letter. The only concession I would make is if you were fine with me using the "F" word instead. Your call.

[@pamelaroyce5285]

@@n.miller907 it’s still inconsiderate to use that name as an oath. However, I agree with you. On this topic, I agree with Piers Morgan and I never thought I would. We live in strange times.

[@n.miller907]

@@pamelaroyce5285 I simply use it as a common expression and don't mean it as a slight towards some divinity. I was just in shock that Piers was finally making sense.

[@pamelaroyce5285]

@@n.miller907 I understand. But it seems to me that in the U.S., at least, where there are so many people of a particular religious persuasion who feel besieged and therefore become resistant to discussion about important policies that have nothing to do with religion, the casual use of that word or the J-word as a cuss word exacerbates the alienation. No one ever cusses by saying Mohammed. Or even Siddartha F*cking Buddha, do they? The former, perhaps out of fear, and the latter possibly out of reverence or at least good manners. I advocate dropping the Jesus F*cking Christ and any part of that phrase.

[@unatrader108]

This is what happens when parents are afraid of their children. 18 year olds always thought they were smarter than their parents, but parents didn't mind offending their children to put them in their place.

[@CatalinaFOIA]

Facts!

[@mogznwaz]

The Chinese Cultural Revolution had brainwashed students attacking and reporting their own families for daring to contradict the CCP narrative. That is what we are dealing with.

[@norituk9824]

It is a woman's right to do what she wants with her body, Piers, but that's not the question. The question is "is a fetus deserving of protection from someone who wants to kill it, including the mother?"

[@Paul-jy2ej]

100 % agree! The Bible states that God knew us before we were in the womb. It is murder at any stage after conception.

[@scottwoodcock3542]

There will always be fundamentalists who will never see abortion as morally defensible but the vast majority of Americans will agree with laws which would allow abortion before the 12-15 week mark. Data also supports the fact that the majority would support carveouts for incest or rape and even perhaps for certain genetic fetal disease although that is an even thornier issue for many. There are many highly functional and valuable individuals with Downs Syndrome for example and the notion of knee jerk termination for such pregnancies is uncomfortable for many. I don’t think you will find many people outside of these deeply blue cities who find much agreement with those who defend abortion to the point of birth. The idea is abhorrent and this wild swing on the left to that highly radical position has perhaps led to the rise of many pro life organizations and much more powerful voices in them. There are not many countries in the developed world which allow anything even close to such a thing, most European countries fall between the 12-15 week window, even China prohibits abortion after 24 weeks.

[@Paul-jy2ej]

@@scottwoodcock3542 the Bible does not change with the world. It says He knew us before we were in the mother's womb. You either believe in the Bible or believe what all others do who don't - murder.

[@norituk9824]

@@scottwoodcock3542 sure, I think your point of view is perfectly reasonable, although it's a compromise really. Ideally, we should be able to say that a fetus is of absolute value, or of no value at all. But moral questions are never that clear cut, I guess, in the real world.

[@Alotofnades]

@@norituk9824 this is how a lot of people feel. But hardline conservatives don’t understand. The whole “life starts at conception” is highly debated and controversial.

[@karmac2023]

Martina is right. “Fairness” in women’s sports.

[@philmackenzie7557]

Women in sport has taken a long time to progress, compared to men’s sport, transgender should start from scratch and build up in competitions. Maybe soon we have a transgender World Cup, transgender Wimbledon, instead of riding on the backs of others. Maybe a CIS Olympics, Rugby World Cup, will become a big hit, Women’s sport has come a long way. Transgender Sports can start now, and build up a following.

[@Doogydoog]

Martina is a smart, talented, brave, fair-minded person, and a voice of reason.

[@user-pk3ru9zu8m]

😊❤️... Modern day lepers (🌈🌈 "unclean", "unclean" scream the warning colours!!) and the modern pharisees don't see how they "themselves shall be cast out" because they had not "done it to the least of them" ... Verily, if you do not walk in love, your will-worship (Arminianism), it shall profit you nothing ... The scriptures need to be spiritually discerned. Have a blessed day, and stop putting God in box. He's to big for that... ❤️🙏🌅✝️🐟 (Took me a while, you will too, shalom....)

[@NoKOOLAIDE]

Thank you, Martina.

[@bocephus822]

How can this harm women's rights? We aren't even able to describe what a woman is.

[@sadcookie7401]

Biological sex is well defined. Gender is irrelevant when it comes to sport.

[@lonavalin4679]

A biological Male's lungs are larger, his bones and muscles are stronger than a biological woman regardless if he thinks he's a woman. Biological males should only compete with other biological males.

[@again5162]

We could base a system on the physical attributes of our ideal males and females in marble like the the ancient Greeks. Or have fun panda day Mondaybullshit

[@andrearoyd2942]

Simply: XX female, XY male. There are some problems with basic genetics, but that is it. That is why a man determines the sex of a child. What people WANT to be in life is up to them, but FAIRNESS must prevail.

[@again5162]

@@andrearoyd2942 chromosomes are very naturally consistent but sometimes a defect a occurs, what shouldn't happen happens

[@cindikachnic2068]

It was really good hearing Martina on this subject. I think it is a shame that after all these years women now have to be knocked back down and men take over women’s sports.

[@RosaCanina1]

Martina, you nailed it! Love and respect!

[@someonesomewhere1500]

My son could physically pick me up when he was 12, My daughters could never do this. Men are physically stronger than women the majority of time, I am a strong woman who played ball with the boys before puberty hit, I was better than most of the boys to be honest until we reached puberty and then it was over, they where faster and stronger over the course of one summer. It is simply facts not hate.

[@alicee2952]

That was me as a young girl! I played basketball with the boys until 8th grade I couldn’t keep up any longer.

[@someonesomewhere1500]

@@alicee2952 ya they get faster and stronger. It was fun beating them while it last though.

[@merriemisfit8406]

I was still probably better than most boys at baseball even into my college days, but in the event of a collision I'd have been toast. I realized my freakish ability to play the game was just another of my many truly unmarketable skills ...

[@madamxilant17]

Make a separate category, men's sports, women's sports and trans' sports.

[@zonegirl8267]

Yes that would be the logical solution.

[@SAN_E7]

Not the logical solution to trans women because you are essentially telling them that they are not women. Just like trans women only wanting to date straight men. They are looking for validation that they are a real woman. Being in a sports trans category, they can’t affirm that.

[@megamus3]

I would definitely watch that category lol, there would never be a natural born female win a thing...but it would still "be fair".

[@yahussain1272]

This idea has been suggested many times, the problem is that the trans community dont want a separate category for trans they want to be included in mens sports and womens sports because they keep saying their being marginalised. The reality is that trans people will never biologically be a complete man or women. Thats a fact and people can be mad all they want but its reality.

[@afropress]

And no one will watch anything but women and men sports.

[@dawatcherz]

if you call a simple question like 'what is a woman' a trap question there is something wrong with your integrity.

[@judith3218]

There needs to be a new category in sports dedicated strictly to Trans athletes. That would be fair.

[@elainearchbold259]

WELL SAID AND COMMON SENSE

[@arientshole114]

The Alphabet community started off by saying "we only want to live our lives, we wont impact the straight community at all" a few years later, some swimmers are now breaking records.

[@cioccolateriaveneziana]

Are straight people a "community"?

[@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380]

Well, most LGB people do want to just live their lives, and even a lot of the T do. It's the extremist trans activists and their virtue-signalling allies. I'm bi, and I don't agree with the TRAs, a woman is an adult human female. Transwomen are male people who do their best to mimic women in order to alleviate their gender dysphoria, but they are not, and never will be, women.

[@AvidReader101]

They were given an inch and took a mile. Never again should women support or give room to the alphabet community. LGB is where it ends. T want womens spaces. Q want childrens spaces.

[@NadiaSeesIt]

To be fair gay, lesbian, and bi people aren't causing any problems

[@AvidReader101]

@@NadiaSeesIt agreed. LGB just want to live their lives. But they’re copping just as much flack as anyone if they comment on same sex issues. Edit. Typo

[@eiyukabe]

Hey, I was fired from Ubisoft Toronto for speaking against this madness on social media. Not hating trans people, just pointing out the harm in letting men ID into women's spaces. Please boycott Ubisoft if you see the evil in this movement and want to punish companies that back it. Heck, boycott them for the well publicized atmosphere of sexual harassment they allowed to foster. And CERTAINLY do not ever work for this awful company.

[@james2156]

I’m not allowed to compete in women’s sports because I’m a bloke. Are people furious that I’m not allowed to compete just because of who I am? It’s ludicrous what a mental world we live in.

[@kokolovitch56]

Martina was born in 1956, so she is old school. She looks good for 66.

[@daviddowling9830]

Years ago,Renee Richard’s,one of the first man to pretend woman was denied the chance to participate in womens tennis for the simple reason put forth by at the time, a sensible Australian Open committee,IF YOU HAVE EVER PARTICIPATED IN MENS SPORTS YOU MAY NOT PARTICIPATE IN WOMENS SPORTS,such a simple remedy to the mess we now find the world in.

[@edwardlewis1963]

Years ago? Was that before DNA testing became so normal?

[@PatrickFDolan]

There is no proof that Martina is a woman.

[@TheBaumcm]

That is actually a great way to define it, given that it would quash all of it.

[@aprilrae6551]

I never heard this before. It is very concise and it really applies to that transgender biker who calls himself 'Emily'. One week he bikes with the Mens team. And the next week he competes with the Women's team. I don't understand why he's allowed to go back and forth. Are they buying into his delusions?

[@daviddowling9830]

@victoria or victor🤔

[@peekaboopixie]

I've always had a lot of respect for Martina. She's always been grounded and down-to-earth and just tells it like it is. I respect that.

[@terryquarton2523]

I would like to know what her male hormone level is?

[@Longtack55]

"Always" except when she denied being bisexual then lesbian for years - seven years after winning the French Open in 1974. I don't care either way. 18 GS singles - she's a champ.

[@vitakuzaliwa1465]

He

[@millwallholdings]

Apart from her comments about Margaret Court you mean

[@harryricochet8134]

No she isn't, she's an utterly obnoxious anti-theist bigot whose harassment of Margaret Court has been getting a free pass from the progressive MSM for years. Margaret Court has dedicated her life to upholding her faith and significant charitable work for decades only to be harangued and verbally insulted by Navratilova and the vile predatory groomer Rainbow Lobby. She's just realised that she and her little friends have finally gone way too far and is now trying to distance herself in a typical display of self-indulgence.

[@markcuffe4610]

Martina looks great! She must have a time machine! I always thought of her as an unbelievable athlete. Which she was. I now think her intellect is greater than her athleticism.

[@PungiFungi]

Martina have high cheek bones and to be honest, she looked older than her age when she was in her prime…which of course means 30 plus years later she still look the same.

[@jc7671]

Martin Navratilova should know. He’s one of them.

[@rogermouton2273]

These people are so confused it's unbelievable. And the confusion is that admitting the physiological reality that biological males are stronger than biological women is bigoted. As she said, she's got a trans woman as a friend who completely agrees with her. I suspect most trans people are similarly sane and just don't agree with the mad activists.

[@AubreyWilkinsWursten]

What a wise, articulate, courageous, accomplished WOMAN.

[@kyleshomette25]

I heard an analogy about her playing Ivan Lendl when they were both in their prime. He would have beat her every match whether as Ivan Or Ivana.

[@marthaboer8375]

Good point Martina …”you can’t have it all!”

[@luckydelauta3859]

At the age of 44, I briefly had a girlfriend about 10 years younger than me who was a women's tennis club champion many times over. The only tennis I had ever played was in high school PE (not competitive team tennis). She invited me to play once, with both of us thinking that she would drub me. We played 2 sets and although I lost a few points, I won every game. We didn't ever play again and that was pretty much the end of our relationship.

[@terrymccarthy5600]

Martina is a true champion on and off the court and speaks common sense .

[@rebeccalavoy6655]

Common sense are you kidding me? She supports the LGBT and she believes in children transitioning.

[@TheVagolfer]

Martina has always had guts, hopefully she will lead the push-back against this tail-waging-the-dog madness.

[@niedobrulec]

There is a reason why men and women are separated in sport disciplines, something so obvious and logic is being erased this days.

[@tymillie2]

I’m a woman, a daughter, a sister, a mother, a grand mother, a wife, I was born female, naturally born a female, I have a daughter and 3 sons, I am not a pronoun, I am a natural and normal person who can explain what a women is and not fear the consequences. Get a life.

[@thomasmagnum3588]

IN SPORTS, BIOLOGY MATTERS. Thank you Martina.

[@saran.4001]

"Abortion is not killing a baby" Martina Navratilova.

[@patkennedy2620]

@@saran.4001 Deflection! The topic is Transwomen in Sport- post on the topic please

[@saran.4001]

@@patkennedy2620 The topic is biology mattering, as the first commenter stated. Read and comprehend, please.

[@patkennedy2620]

@@saran.4001 No one mentioned abortion in this post - except you.

[@saran.4001]

@@patkennedy2620 And i can bring it up. This is a comment section, I am commenting. And it is on topic, you just do not like what I wrote and can't dispute it.

[@winstonbrown1516]

Everyone, and I mean 100% EVERYONE, needs to say, NO.., when confronted with this madness. If they teach certain things in schools, group together and force the school to relent, or take your kids out that school.

[@GomesDavid69]

Martina Navratilova! God what an intelligent, affable, honest and likeable woman. So down to earth despite being such a legend after having dominated the sport. You get a very wonderful feeling listening to such a human...goosebumps, really...! Loved the way Piers Morgan conducted this interview as well.

[@krakatoa1200]

I think had I still been a student, i would have resigned from the union,. she's been on the helium by the sound of her. Martina was a legend of tennis, I'm so pleased that she is speaking out against transgender 'men' in womens sport.

[@GBAMERICA123]

It’s should also be explained that these trans people could hurt and even ruin the female players careers by injuries

[@catherineeckstein2705]

Do you think they or anyone cares?

[@GBAMERICA123]

@@catherineeckstein2705 No, we know they don’t care about the welfare of others just take a look at all of there decisions. But that’s more of a reason to always bring up there hypocrisy. It’s the majority that is at fault for not speaking up.

[@eileenjones3918]

THANK YOU Martina for expressing how most people feel .

[@choochoo9506]

Loved Martina for 40 years now. Big fan.

[@dannyqnguyen6025]

I don't like you Pier. But you are right on this subject. WHY is there zero trans compete in men sport

[@Zippy-dj8ev]

What is ironic is that there is no deluge of transmale athletes rushing to or damanding to compete in tradional (i hate that this diatinction now needs to be made) men's competitions and categories. Also, Martina is so right that men have neither had to defend nor define what a man is. Its outrageous! Furthermore, why not just have new categories for Tans athletes? That way they would be no biological advantage and so wildly more fair all round.

[@PJRayment]

"Furthermore, why not just have new categories for Tans athletes?" Because.. a) they demand validation, and denying them participation in the wrong sport doesn't do that. b) How much demand would there be for it? How many would bother watching? How much prize money would there be? b) The existing categories perfectly well cater for them: 'trans women' in the men's sports, and vice versa.

[@Liz-ek3hc]

@@PJRayment Put a sock in it. We're getting normality back yaaay!

[@alexisa.9322]

So biological women get screwed in the process, but that’s ok? Our lives, opportunities and feelings don’t matter?

[@jeffebdy]

Kind of like the special Olympics?

[@TheHerrUlf]

The b-tards don't want i fair

[@riseunafraid5453]

1,000% agree with Martina concerning women's sports 👏.

[@AK-ze7ro]

"a woman's body a woman's choice" This choice needs to be made BEFORE she gets pregnant, so she can take the necessary precautions. If you CHOOSE to not take necessary precaution then become pregnant you cannot just say that you changed your mind. This is why there needs to be some leeway with women who have suffered rape, incest ... they had no choices.

[@sixxygrrl]

This is it in a nutshell. Abortion is NOT birth control. It is supposed to be the LAST measure in select and dangerous situations, not because people couldn't be bothered to use the pill, condoms, or even Plan B.

[@herlibrarianship]

Women don't "get" pregnant. They are impregnated. ALL birth control has some failure rate. Since men are the problem, as they are getting in women's "spaces" here too, vasectomies at 10-11 years and reversals when they are ready to take responsibility for their own actions. Problem solved.

[@kitten_582]

It really doesn't matter how many abortions someone gets why would you want someone to have a baby right now

[@RenegadeContext]

Women don't choose to get pregnant and then get abortions. They find themselves pregnant for a variety of reasons and then choose to terminate. If a woman does choose to get pregnant so they can get an abortion do you think they are mentally healthy enough to have children?

[@beverleywolmarans4091]

Amazing - I can still detect a slight European inflection in Martina's speech! Bravo to her for speaking up regarding fairness to female athletes.

[@TheMiczzz]

So happy to see Martina taking a stand and being brave here

[@mickeyandres2651]

I don’t care who or what you want in the bedroom but when it comes to sports men compete against men not against women and little girls end of story. It’s ridiculous that we’re even debating the subject.

[@josmith1815]

Same could be said about work places if men are so superior

[@SeeThroughist]

@@josmith1815 Are you saying men don't have a physical advantage in sport over women?

[@josmith1815]

@@SeeThroughist I'm saying that men have the same advantages at work as they do in sport. But all you hypocrites want the advantages of segregated sport and then the advantages of non segregated work places. If you were honest you would acknowledge men advantages across the board. But honesty isn't wamans strong suit

[@PJRayment]

@@josmith1815 "Same could be said about work places if men are so superior" Yes, it could. If you are talking about something where men _are_ superior. In sport, it's with physical strength. What is it with work places? "But all you hypocrites want the advantages of segregated sport and then the advantages of non segregated work places." Of course we want the advantages, but not at the disadvantage of others. And I've never been one to advocate for women having equal representation in the workplace just because they are women. "If you were honest you would acknowledge men advantages across the board." I believe that I am honest, but no, I won't acknowledge that, because I don't believe that it's true. First, I believe that such decisions should be made on the basis of an individual's ability to do the job, not their sex, because individual abilities vary in ways that often overlap. But _on average_ men appear to do better in _some_ skills and women do better in _other_ skills. You'll typically find women dominating in teaching, nursing, and marketing, for example.

[@josmith1815]

@@PJRayment so much gibberish. The only thing worth responding to is, if you say that men and waman should be judged as individuals, that's great no need to segregate sport.

[@possumhugs2421]

Even before puberty , I thought males had some advantages of females in sports..

[@takashinomura8052]

To put an end to this debate, just take a look at the loads of trans men trying to enter the man's sports, being denied and going on national television trying to be accepted into the man's sport division. Oh, wait…

[@terabyte6166]

“Sports biology matters.” -Martina Navratilova

[@mikefabbi5127]

I still can't believe we have to have these conversations or have them at all. When did we, like what year did we enter Clown Realm? As a Canadian I would say 2016, that's when Justine was voted in.

[@harryricochet8134]

Navratilova's been an utterly obnoxious anti-theist bigot whose harassment of Margaret Court has been getting a free pass from the progressive MSM for years. Margaret Court has dedicated her life to upholding her faith and significant charitable work for decades only to be harangued and verbally insulted by Navratilova and the vile predatory groomer Rainbow Lobby. She's just realised that she and her little friends have finally gone way too far and is now trying to distance herself in a typical display of self-indulgence.

[@khchoi2012]

Bet you can't wait to get rid of him quick enough.

[@mikefabbi5127]

@@khchoi2012 he promised to bury us in debt and rhetoric, legalise weed and always have great hair. Yeah can't wait 😊🥰🤠.

[@basilcarroll9729]

The Trudeau pain started in 2015.

[@richardbanker3910]

I saw the full interview with the NUS president and Piers Morgan was being pretty unpleasant. He shot that question from out of nowhere from a completely different line of conversation and got the brush off. Martina Navratilova is certainly correct in her views.

[@wolfgangschweppe1343]

Everyone is AFRAID to speak out, look at the backlash!

[@hyacinthlynch843]

1. Abortion is not a right, it's a wrong. 2. Allowing "transwomen" to compete against biological women defeats the ENTIRE PURPOSE of female competitive sports.

[@thedarkman4901]

1 out of 2. Abortion is neither a right or wrong. It’s a choice. If it’s done after 13 weeks, it should only be done for a medical reason.

[@theblackhand1]

@@thedarkman4901 So why do you get to draw the line of the amount of weeks. So 1 hour before the 13th week is fine but 61mins later its not. Thats stupid

[@foxman1546]

@@theblackhand1 Don't be so pathetic. Its a cut off point like 21 weeks. I suppose you agree with a nine month term baby being left to die slowly on a table from exposure, thirst and dehydration.

[@davidpeters6536]

But they are legally female..

[@roadtonever]

@@thedarkman4901 Abortion is more like: when you have no choice. Contraceptives will always be better any day of the week no matter how accessible abortion is.

[@vickieandrew1010]

Love Martina..she's a legend ❤. Imagine her outstanding talent and achievements being erased if she had to play against transgender women back in the day? Each to their own..but a little common sense please. 😊✌

[@harryricochet8134]

Navratilova's an utterly obnoxious anti-theist bigot whose harassment of Margaret Court has been getting a free pass from the progressive MSM for years. Margaret Court has dedicated her life to upholding her faith and significant charitable work for decades only to be harangued and verbally insulted by Navratilova and the vile predatory groomer Rainbow Lobby. She's just realised that she and her little friends have finally gone way too far and is now trying to distance herself in a typical display of self-indulgence.

[@gmfd007]

Martina played jimmy connors in her prime. Jimmy was 40 just past his prime. Jimmy won handily. Martina put up a good fight though. Jimmy had some other handicaps that I don’t remember. Look at what Serena herself agreed with John McEnroe when he said she’d be ranked about 500 in the mens bracket. Bobby Riggs threw the match against Billie Jean King. I say all this because even the best tennis female tennis players in the world don’t want to or can’t compete against biological males.

[@vickieandrew1010]

@@gmfd007 Spot on. 😁👍

[@taxicamel]

There is one point NOT being tabled or discussed ....and that is the truthful "INTENT" of a male transitioning. This can be addressed by asking the question directly to the male (which requires a truthful answer), and that is "WHY IS THE MALE TRANSITIONING IN THE FIRST PLACE?" The first immediate answer would be "BECAUSE I WANT TO BE A FEMALE" or "BECAUSE I BELIEVE I AM A FEMALE" .....BUT these two answers may in fact NOT be the "truthful" reason for ANY male who is an athlete. The TRUTHFUL answer may be as simple as, "THEY WANT TO TRANSITION SO THAT THEY CAN BREAK ALL THE EXISTING WORLD RECORDS AND BE FAMOUS AND MAKE LOTS OF MONEY". I would argue that the CORRECT answer for most male athletes who "want" to transition is the latter reason ....they want to break all women's world records and be famous and rich ......the alternate point being, BECOMING A FEMALE IS NOT THE PRIORITY. .

[@sarahkeller7630]

I told my daughter Don't let anyone tell you your not allowed to call yourself a real woman ♀️