you shouldn't learn the MERN stack to land a junior developer job

why you shouldn't learn the mern stack when looking for your first developer job
0:00 Intro
1:26 why java and c# are better options
3:38 startups use the mern stack more
4:51 job listings
7:49 startups job listings
9:03 quantity does not equal quality?
10:30 final thoughts

[@IvanRandomDude]

The problem with MERN is that it is trapped between two worlds. It is not appealing to the world of big corporations which have large codebases in Java, C# and lately in GO. On the other hand, the world of startups that was primary user of MERN has moved on to newer and flashier stacks like NextJS and "serverless".

[@jwoods9659]

I'm learning GO now I realized the focus on frontend is React..I mean your not really learning how to code.

[@natescode]

Exactly this. Go is big for startups too

[@jwoods9659]

So Java then? @@natescode

[@SarFirraEdits]

LET ME HELP YOU WITH ALL THIS COMPLEXITY OF IT WORLD AND TECH JARGON AND JUST TRUST ME AND DO AS I TELL YOU TO. BECOME A HIGH ENTHUSIAST DEVELOPER AND A FOREVER LEARNER, GET A ENTRY TO IT INDUSTRY INTO STARTUPS OR PRODUCT BASED BY LEARNING MERN, PERN ETC AND THEN AFTER 2 YEARS TACTICALLY SWITCH TO BACKEND DEV BY LEARNING JAVA OR C# OR GOLANG TO FINALLY BECOME A BACKEND DEV AT A BIG COMPANY, TRUST ME THIS IS THE ROADMAP YOU SHOULD FOLLOW IN YOUR CAREER RIGHT NOW, YOUR JOB AS A DEV WILL BE SECURED FOR SURE AND EVEN IF YOU'RE LAIDOFF YOU CA GET HIRED EASILY BECAUSE OF YOUR BACKEND EXPERIENCE ORRR FOLOW A DIFFERENT PATH INTO THE DATA ENGINEERING DOMAIN WHERE ITS SAFE BECAUSE DATA IS THE NEW CURRENCY, PYTHON IS THE REAL ASSET, ITS LIKE A FATHER OF AI/ML RIGHT NOW SO WHERE PYTHON GOES A.I FOLLOWS. JAVASCRIPT MIGHT BE REPLACED BUT PYTHON WILL BE THERE FOREVER TRUST ME. A.I WON'T REPLACE PYHTON ANYTIME SOON OR ATLEAST FOR A DECADE

[@SarFirraEdits]

bECOME SO FCUKING GOOD AT GO THAT YOU GET A GOOGLE JOB AND THEY WILL NEVER LAY OFF YOU. AND TRY TO BUILD A USEFUL GOOGLE TOOL , THEY WILL TURN YOU INTO A MILLIONAIRE AND LICK YOUR BOOTS TRUST ME BECAUSE ITS THEIR LANGUAGE@@jwoods9659

[@a.m.4154]

This guy just dropping truth bombs brutally, things most people are too cowardly to say. This was exactly what I subscribed for. What a lad. Respect++

[@michaelion7753]

You shouldn't switch stacks. Master one and stick to it. They all do the same thing. You risk being trapped inside this paradigm learn a tool oh some KZbin video said this is the new thing now I gotta learn this. Don't be a sucker. There are jobs for MERN. The way you stand out is not by the language you use, but your character, personality. Ability to learn, fit into a team culture. You will learn you master Java spend years on it only to see old big dinosaurs company are using those and to they are all cutting back and in 3 years they will be using ai mostly. The Jr dev positions will be so thin you waster all those years meanwhile you master one craft you already know, you have ability to work freelance work for yourself make projects and find other ways to making money other than the idea of landing a FANG job. If you really want then go get a comp Sci degree and get into AI ML.

[@denniszenanywhere]

Serious question: You say master one thing and do freelance? I'm under the assumption that when you freelance, hiring person usually wants you to do everything. So if you only know Javascript and you don't know, say, SQL, how can you do that freelance work when companies require you to do or know many languages?

[@123mrfarid]

Your words enlighten me. I am a programmer myself with > 5 yo experience and sometimes these videos shake me to switch stacks..

[@leewebs8566]

I broke into web development in 2017, I am currently running META Professional Frontend developer course certification. I have not been able to secure a job. I think I will drop MERN Stack and concentrate on frontend based on this video. Although, I know how to connect Frontend project with some CMS like Sanity. I seriously need a job.

[@johan2371]

⁠@@denniszenanywhere You are free to make any assumptions you want, but your unrealistic assumptions are irrelevant to others. First of all, there are very few freelancers in the real world who can do everything. It's foolish to expect such abilities from someone you don't know well. All you have to do is ask someone who can fulfill your needs.

[@williamlawrence1044]

The stats say otherwise as shown in this video

[@WewCode]

Im glad someone finally said it. Ive been thinking about this for a long time. Every single portfolio I see from a bootcamp grad or a self taught dev it is just all "MERN MERN MERN". You dont stand out. Everytime I see a bootcamp grad there is no difference between them. It does not matter if you have a nice portfolio or nice projects its just all the same. Everyone has a nice portfolio now in days. What stands out to me is when 1.When I see Java,C# on their tech stack and projects built.(hardly ever) 2.Open source contributions 3.Any kind of experience (Volunteer work,Internships). Otherwise youre no different than the 1000's of other bootcamp devs out there.(I was also someone that did this and noticed no one would notice me)

[@sparklitd]

@1:21,… I’m forced to agree, as well. I learned Python when starting my Dev-journey. Quickly switched to JavaScript then React after learning “JavaScript is the language of the web”. Still couldn’t find work so I completed a MERN bootcamp to round off my education. Looking at job postings now, all I see are .Net, Java and PHP jobs! 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@silverfullbuster9177]

Well what exactly are you applying for? Frontend or backend?

[@brownsense1]

There are no python jobs?

[@saadhabashneh5587]

No​@@brownsense1

[@2ru2pacFan]

Respect bro for being so real and thank you for this. I need to get onto Java, C# and C++

[@lelin4732]

Imo don't listen to anyone and just do what you really love to do and see the progress ✨️

[@md.redwanhossain6288]

Most of the matured programming principles, architecture, patterns are based on OOP. So, if you are not familiar with these, you will miss a lot. And nowadays, functional programming can be done with pure OOP language. For example, LINQ of C# is a blessing.

[@jacquesoprince]

Thank you man I just started a MERN boot camp and when I look for job announcements Java and C# for the back are coming out the most. I seriously plan to learn and master PostgreSQL and another language for the backend between Java and C#

[@TechCoachRalph]

Great video! Start ups go for that level of interview b/c they don't have the capital to take on many devs, especially entry level. I think the MERN stack is a great gateway to learn the more complex. things. It's still a lot of object oriented programming that you should scale up to the more complex more established languages.

[@CalculusCoder.]

thanks! I definitely agree, mern is great for so many reasons, it can be a good way to get a lot of coding experience. But its definitely crucial to start transitioning into stronger languages like you said.

[@m-ok-6379]

Thank you for telling the truth that everybody needs to hear unless they are selling a bootcamp program.

[@AmiraKhaled-ul6li]

I like ur honesty which a lot of youtubers lack. New sub❤

[@CalculusCoder.]

Thank you 🔥🙏🏼

[@JoshIbbotson-]

I got my first job and I had only learnt React and a little node + firebase. I got this job 6 months ago (made a video on it) and I use the PEAN stack (Postgres, Express, Angular, Node). I honestly think in the UK learning Angular & C#, it seems prevalent here.

[@vhaangol4785]

That's why even though I'm not particularly fond of Ruby, I'm still investing my time to improve my knowledge and skills on the language because the job competition is low and there's decent pay.

[@tim5749]

I so agree with this and have been trying to tell this to a lot of Junior devs. Tons of companies use .NET and Java. I’m a junior dev myself, and I work with .NET. Took me about 2 months of applying to get a job after a coding bootcamp.

[@donei7923]

thank you a lot, sir. i'm stydying dev, and i'm on the point where, after my foundations, i go to start spezialization. this makes me think. i will try this researches in my country (France) and decide then. so thank you !

[@viky2002]

Studied nodejs, typescript, mongo, postgres, firebase, react and somehow I landed a python job on a startup. You argument is on point, I'm gonna learn c# and java now

[@shs4293]

Over my 4.5 years of Dev journey, I started off with .NET web forms 3 tier with MS SQL, then .NET web API with react and MS SQL, then moved onto Java Spring boot with Angular 13 and MS SQL. Currently learning Node`s Express JS and Mongo stack.

[@afootshorts2304]

Great 👍

[@RaZziaN1]

Node express and mongo are waste of time compared languages/framework you already know. Mongo/Express are toys.

[@adrian-4767]

CalculusCoder superb video, many thanks for it!

[@novanoskillz4151]

Im lucky to have gone through a bootcamp two years ago that actually taught Java/springboot for the backend. I asked my instructor why not teach mern since its popular one less language for us to learn. And he said thats why.. because its popular. Every bootcamper learns mern. Learning java really set me up for success and i didnt even know it.

[@peteroye1216]

Although I am a JavaScripter and take it over any other languages, I won't advise beginners to take MERN or Node. If you can't do Java or C#, because they are static languages, then take PHP. After any of those languages, then you can keep brushing up on Node or MERN.

[@gauravcraft9199]

how much java or c# is required to start

[@user-td5gy2fh3p]

gate keep this video as much as possible, guys! we all finna make it ❤

[@wordmarkagency2732]

Bro I am learning Python Django but its been only 6 months in it, I am in my first year should I switch to Java or c# when I was 16 I was coding in c# for making games for fun?

[@AlexieDigitalStudios]

this is a very objective take, it does make a lot of sense

[@DhruvRed]

Also not to forget number of java devs out there against something like node or C++. The competition is much higher because of that, meanwhile learning C++ will get you hired easily

[@samuelnduw3573]

I've learned React JS and I wanted to start backend, so I was stuck between learning Java Spring Boot, Node JS or Python Django. I'm in my second year of university doing computer science this year, after watching this I feel like I'll just go with Java.

[@rotface6969]

I work as a programmer/analyst currently and I can confirm the importance of knowing C# and Java. The org I work for still uses Java and ColdFusion. Why? Because it is safe and stable and they do not have a need to switch anytime soon. I got hired on the basis that I can code in java. I also have a friend working for Dell, they use C# and angular.

[@Ataraxia_Atom]

Just learning svelte, but def looking for less competitive tech is highly suggested. Going at backend with python/go

[@CalculusCoder.]

Great choice, especially with Go. Didn’t even know that was a thing, but companies are starting to use it.

[@kirby145x]

Svelte is great but you're going to want react as well due to 90% market share, in case the job is full-stacked to react.

[@Ataraxia_Atom]

@@kirby145x I'd rather just focus on the backend. I'll know vanilla JS and svelte but Im not interested in building frontends at all. And considering 95% of bootcamps and tutorials focus on frontend it's far more competitive which was the point of my initial comment.

[@experiment0003]

Should I learn PENIS stack (Postgres, Express, Node, Ionic, SpringBoot) as a junior dev? Please help!

[@UCrjhmrVAvDXjApQo4EH]

LMAO Best stack ever

[@MsSoldadoRaso]

I learned PUSY stack (Postgress, Udemy, SolidJs, Yaml)

[@sohrabkhan8367]

Greatest stack ever old and stable I will learn both PENIS and PUSY stack .

[@Alex.Shalda]

Great, relevant content

[@khaung4413]

I’m currently doing front end.Should I switch to swift in near future since I’m interested in iOS dev?

[@ExistentialSadness]

what should I learn if I was working as a python backend developer with Flask, React, TypeScript, PostgreSQL?

[@CalculusCoder.]

Possibly learn Django I believe. You have a strong stack under your belt. If you feel super comfortable with all those languages, maybe dive into Java for sure

[@bozzistef]

In my opinion, if you are going to learn Java I recommend you to combine it with Angular, that's the most popular combination that companies are using at the moment.

[@ayenutt]

bro i have no horses in this race, all i know is im trying to get employed as soon as possible so that takes learning a little bit of everything and learning the secret developer handshake (aka coding interviews)

[@SabarishRaja]

Hi guys. I'm currently a final year student. For the last 1.5 years, I have focused myself towards data science and machine learning. I have seen a few videos saying data science has no scope for freshers. As a fresher for work which domain can help me land on my first job?

[@SarFirraEdits]

Cutting edge technologies like MERN or PERN or MERNN (N for Nextjs), MEAN (which incase relatable now in 2024 may be, due to that TS built in within it, all these tech stacks are best suited for Product based startups whose no.1 goal is to build, ship and deliver/launch their product as soon as possible and they might then,a fter becoming a bigtech and company acquisition by another Big tech firm might switch to Java, C#, Rust, Golang etc. JAva or C# JOBS are actually a norm here in India. So i'm not surprised by thiss video, btw you do need to have good DSA skills or System design skills to cracxk a Java or C# Backend server side dev role though

[@OfficialEditor2094]

Sorry to say this but can you share how to do backend in Java or any other language based on current Market usage...

[@SarFirraEdits]

ITS NOT ABOUT THE BACKEND THOUGH IT IS ABOUT BUT THEY WILL GRILL YOU WITH DSA QUESTIONS 1ST THEN ASK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT

[@an8by]

Bro I'm learning django, how do you see the job market going for django, specially in small startups space

[@CalculusCoder.]

Startups use it a lot for sure. It’s an alternative to mern, but Django is stronger imo. Mern may still be more popular though

[@TabuHana]

lol the vids man. thank you for keeping it real

[@jvysvn]

finally some honest takes and not some pipe-dream clickbait.

[@nicolasguillenc]

I love Next js but I really need a job rn. That was solid advice. I did a C# project ~4 years ago so I will pick it back up hoping it won't take too long. How do I build trust to compensate for the lack of professional experience with C# though? I can just start coding with it but that still does not guarantee a job

[@nicolasguillenc]

PS: I actually wish I could pick GO but I just want the one that will get me the job asap

[@vinayakhegde3068]

​@@nicolasguillenc go is currently being used by so many companies it's popular and a great language

[@CalculusCoder.]

My best recommendation would be to possibly freelance and network. Try to find some contract jobs or freelance jobs where you can use some Java or c#. One of my subscribers was able to get that experience through freelance I believe.

[@nicolasguillenc]

@@CalculusCoder. Thank you for the advice

[@kirby145x]

@@nicolasguillenc GO can get you a job ASAP. There is a shortage of good GO developers, it is not as simple to learn as other languages. A lot of the books around it focus on it's specialized use cases in distributed systems etc.

[@zem0ku605]

Im trying to become a front end dev through self taught. Does this mean that it's better to learn niche stuff than go with what everyone else is doing rn? If i go the react pathway, it means i have more competition and would have a harder time finding job since everyone is doing it? But if i pick a niche in what i want (front end), i'd have a higher chance since not many are going for that and what I'll specialize may be beneficial in the long run? This is what I got from the vid and really curious what you think. Hope it gets answered or something haha. I'm just trying to figure out what i should do xD. Thanks :)

[@jakestewart7079]

For FE, just get really good at the fundamentals and be able to build pixel perfect layouts. When applying for your first job, apply to web development and marketing agencies that are still using html, css and vanilla JS. So think CMS's and maybe some MVC frameworks using templating engines. The barrier to entry is much lower at those places since it's less glamorous dev work. Continue to learn your niche tech as well as the more popular frameworks and you'll eventually have the necessary experience to start working in the cool FE tech.

[@CalculusCoder.]

I wish I can give you advice, but front end is a field I tend to avoid. It’s better to be a full stack , front end is the most saturated market. Also, I feel as if front end jobs are slowly turning into full stack roles. More work, less pay. React or angular with typescript on the front end. That’s my biggest recommendation for sure. I hope it works out for you.

[@commenter260]

True, learned mern during undergraduate, currently in the company i work for they use angular and spring boot💀 i am struggling again to learn things.

[@CalculusCoder.]

The field is mostly filled with boomer languages lmao. Surprisingly react is popular nowadays, but companies codebase still like running on a mix of angular and react.

[@peteroye1216]

With a solid foundation in JS, Angular shouldn't be an issue, although learning it is not as smooth as that of React and Vue. The same thing happened to a friend of mine some time ago. She got interviewed using JS and when she was hired, her boss gave her books on C# to study because that was what they were working with in the company.

[@RoninX33]

@@CalculusCoder. C# is a Gen Y language and Java is a Gen X language.

[@joker-wr8pt]

This is true I'm undergraduate and had mern internship this year but I realized mern is mostly utilised by startup big firms use either. Net or laravel even though they say php is dead i see people get job in laravel easily rather then mern also being e mern developer is pretty FUKCING hard you have to learn so much just to get junior developer job so much so my question is sir I won't leave mern since I'll start job by mern tell apart from mern which backend la language should I go with like java spring boot or. Net

[@marko5734]

Net and React is amazing combo

[@paulholsters7932]

In Belgium good stacks are C#/Java + Angular. But Node is growing. So these days Node might be ok. Except you should also learn SQL and Sequalize or something like that. Nobody hires someone who only understands noSql.

[@aricwilliamsdeveloper]

Ima full stack .NET dev! companies use C# as middle layer (API). On front end they use react/Angular. As a Junior Dev I would say learn react and angular (THE BASICS), then learn how to build API's with .NET and SQL on the backend. OR... learn Laravel with Angular... Talk to all the local companies in your area and find if they build with .NET, do some volunteer work for them to gain experience... Impress them in Job interviews by talking about how you solve problems with design patterns. Give examples in your code...

[@CalculusCoder.]

Great advice. I def too recommend react / angular typescript for front end.

[@osmanbajraktarevic833]

C# is used heavy in the manufacturing and electrical engineering companies. So pretty much jobs that aren’t so much affected by this whole AI takeover. Without looking it up, I suspect Embedded engineering is growing insanely

[@GoyimTekken]

perfect timing lmao i just finished making a project with the mern stack being proud of myself and now i have to scrap all of that to get a basic entry level job😭

[@ingenieroriquelmecagardomo4067]

you dont have to scrape anything, skills are skills, no matter how many awesome projects you have ,if you bomb the interview theres no way youre getting in

[@GoyimTekken]

@@ingenieroriquelmecagardomo4067 i mean that im going to have to learn a bunch of new technologies because the IT field has gotten so saturated with bootcamp bros and employers who refuse to hire entry level positions

[@CalculusCoder.]

Lmao. You’ll be good bro, all skills are valuable. You’ll be able to pick up C# or Java quicker. You’ll also have more languages under your belt, so it’s a win win situation.

[@TheCosmopolitanHefty]

What should I learn then sir? I want a decent job to begin with

[@dieyoung6455]

You're amazing❤ Your linkedin?

[@YY_Stories]

BULL CRAP! I did exactly that and landed a smooth job like a charm. I would recommend MERN for all beginners in web development as it is THE EASIEST stack to learn and to give you insights into how web application actually works. Afterwards you will have the ideas you need for any other frameworks you will use

[@Castle_tv]

Hey man, I watched your video on how you were struggling to find your way in CS, and I would really like to get in touch with you and learn more about how you worked on your startup idea and how you landed a job afterward. It is rare that I actually find someone who is almost in the same shoes as I am. I am 22 years old, recently departed from an engineering degree to pursue CS, and I have had trouble with trying to get internship opportunities, and also I have an idea for a start-up. I would really like to connect with you if possible. Not only that, but I want to start making changes in my life to start on the right path and get to the point where you are, and I think one way that I can do that is by connecting with those who are in the position I want to see myself in. And also maybe work on collaborating on projects or even partnerships with our company ideas. Let me know. :)

[@CalculusCoder.]

Let’s connect bro. Thanks for sharing your background and short story. It feels like it’s hard finding stories like this on KZbin. Add me on discord, let’s chat! You can join the server or add me through here. Discordapp.com/users/761762722748039198

[@bluestorm1898]

@@CalculusCoder. If you could make a video about it, it would very helpful. I think many people have similar situations.

[@CalculusCoder.]

what type of video would you like specifically? what would you want me to make it about? I want to see if I can work on it and get some ideas rolling to help anyone.@@bluestorm1898

[@bluestorm1898]

@@CalculusCoder. Something like, a video about on how to get an idea for a startup, how to get a job or internship. Something like what to overcome the overwhelming feeling of not know what to do and how to manage all the choices and don't feel lost.

[@khaihoang7420]

I have projects in mern, Java, c# but i have not landed any interview.

[@illusry7631]

Looking at the number of jobs per language-- Python looks to be just as high as Java. Is there a reason to learn Java or C# over Python?

[@olumideomololu9793]

A lot of python Jobs tend to be in Data analysis or Science instead of web dev

[@CalculusCoder.]

It’s hard to distinguish Python jobs on job boards. They tend to be a mix of web dev, data science, machine learning, and embedded systems. To be honest, I don’t see much Python + Django or Python + flask roles. I need to do more research on Python

[@ingenieroriquelmecagardomo4067]

Python = works with data, Java / C#, other statically typed languages = Systems / backends

[@illusry7631]

ahhh ok makes sense. Im a frontend looking to get into backend, so idk.@@CalculusCoder.

[@grandparick3176]

Do you think doing competetive programming that too when you are about to graduate a good idea? I regret not starting during my early time so I am starting now.

[@myke6972]

currently learning REACT JS, after REACT what should I aim or focus at? Enlighten me, give me tips master

[@KL-gc2hx]

You should find what the job need

[@kunalghosh8852]

The speaker advises against learning the MERN stack for landing a junior developer job. They mention a comment from a viewer who faced challenges in job hunting with a focus on MERN stack in Europe. The argument revolves around the saturation of MERN stack skills in the market, making competition high. The speaker suggests that companies, especially established ones, prefer older, stable technologies like Java and C# for their projects. The recommendation is to consider learning languages like C#, .NET, Java, and technologies such as Spring Boot for better job prospects in the current market.

[@Taddy_Mason]

Being in the industry north of 15 years and I can tell you with certainty that java and C# are always part of the stack of any enterprise, That's not to say that JavaScript isn't used at all but adoption is limited for the reasons mentioned in the video.

[@ojaypopeyee179]

Can you give me a stack that I can start learning I just finished learning react so should I learn Java and go Lang I need a job its been over a year for me

[@jaymawb]

Good take

[@moestaxx286]

yeah ngl bro my area java jobs are popping. i actually am thinking about learning it just to stand out. everybody is doing MERN all you see on youtube is MERN! like it’s cool to build cool stuff with but if you want to get hired i would suggest to see what’s popular in your area.. don’t just do random shit bc that’s not going to get you a job frfr

[@EclipseMints08]

Well, "ancient" languages also means that there's more competition in that field due to the amount of people who know the language. C# and Java developers experience from linkedin usually starts 5-15 years of experience. If you're entry level, you better have years of experience for those languages.

[@paulholsters7932]

The numbers don’t matter to much though. It’s not because there are more jobs in Java they are easy to get. Companies are very cautious when it comes to hiring. I think if you are really good at something and you can prove it (and they let you prove it) you can as easily get a job in Node as a job in Java.

[@zalty8556]

What’s a good place to start learning Java / c# for backend all I know is nodejs

[@RoninX33]

Pick up a book like C# 12 and .Net 8 Modern Cross Platform Development. Go from there. And there is plenty of free stuff out there on the basics if you want.

[@JB-uc1vf]

Anyone can’t learn node you still need to have the aptitude and plus corporations will use typescript for JavaScript type safety problem solved . This is so much based on your opinion

[@utrodus]

What about Python Django for Full Stack?

[@maveriks463]

Look at what roles are genuinely in demand in YOUR regional job market that you adpire to and base your stack on that.... simple

[@gouravmalik5023]

Everyone in college is doing dsa in java and c what about them

[@SD-wj9bv]

As a self taught developer should I just do some freelancing jobs for free? To build experience

[@CalculusCoder.]

Try not to if possible. Try to get paid. Network around and see if anyone needs websites or projects built! If it’s an absolute last resort attempt, then yea go for it. But try to get paid, your time and work is worth money.

[@SD-wj9bv]

@@CalculusCoder. thx, your channel has helped me get on the right path. Please never stop keeping it real.

[@bhavyajain638]

But i learned MERN a lot deeper. I dont see the same level of knowledge in my university friends. I think that should matter too.

[@theshubhagrwl]

It hardly does

[@paulholsters7932]

Interesting to know Node=startup

[@khaihoang7420]

Feel like mern is still very popular in my region.

[@TheSavageSaiyan]

I agree entirely...completely... as a newly bootcamp MERN graduate of Sept 2023...and excuse me when I say this but...This shit is ASS man. me and my classmates cant get a job for nothing out here. All I see on the job boards are Java, python, C#, PHP, etc. Ontop of the fact that nobody seems to want new bootcamp grads anyways, so i feel like I completely wasted my time learning these skills just to get turned down left and right.

[@aricwilliamsdeveloper]

don't give up! Once you make it to this side of the fence life is sooooo sweet! Just pivot to another stack and focus on gaining experience for real companies.... find out what stacks are popular in your area... Your leverage will be Geographic location.

[@aricwilliamsdeveloper]

I could have some work for MERN stack devs in the future. I have a side company Star Tech Code LLC, got this client has a Next JS/ Node JS/ AWS app that needs some attention. Its coming down the pipe see if she wants to move forward... also I need an app built for my another client, would love to give opportunity you or your classmates.

[@TheSavageSaiyan]

@aricwilliamsdeveloper Thank you! I'd definitely be open to the opportunity. We can talk more on it whenever you'd like.

[@TheSavageSaiyan]

@aricwilliamsdeveloper Thank you for the motivation 🙏, I'm not giving up on achieving success and I'll find a way. Thank you for your advice , I will look into this :)

[@johndoggett4657]

It's only wasted time if you didn't pick up the fundementals.

[@abhi.r8]

Which language i should learn then anyone ??

[@yamiyuan1190]

what about java i'm junior use spring boot framework ?

[@AlleinArk]

go for it man, java, golang, php/laravel, c# all backend languages is a free jobs.

[@CalculusCoder.]

yes, java springboot, C# ASP.net, etc. Java spring is popular

[@yamiyuan1190]

@@AlleinArk thank you i'm already learning spring boot

[@yamiyuan1190]

@@CalculusCoder. thank you but i think the enterprise companies wanted people with degree

[@user-en2fv2wu6e]

This is real. I am currently going the laravel with vue/react and I think will add c# into my belt after seeing the competition in mern stack jobs.

[@RW-he5fu]

True, but I have already learnt MERN, didn't that before, everyone was talking about MERN

[@manjiripanchal6226]

Should I do django or java spring

[@MsSoldadoRaso]

node

[@cryptoresearch2487]

You are manipulating people. Because you are comparing java or c# with node. The comparison should be between java and javascript or spring boot or node js. Please do not do this for getting more views.🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@JaySavaliya-oq7tl]

this is true thanks for giving honest review 👍👍 @cryptoresearch2487

[@pranavpl8161]

How about python django

[@ericzhang8796]

It is not about what languages you should learn. Even if you know Java and C#, it is still difficult to get a junior role. The job market is getting worse.

[@brucem8448]

Just build. PHP sucks? Meta is at a $1T market cap. You want to get hired? BE A GOOD ENGINEER. The best engineer is obvious. Everyone lies on their resume. Everyone over-exaggerates. We see it. We get hundreds, and we remember them. Just be a good engineer. Make it a habit. Build often, build a lot. And...ENJOY IT! Have fun! Enjoy building!

[@alicankarakaya2770]

Which video is it bro?

[@CalculusCoder.]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2e7oZaZm9WEgM0si=Zdrd6MjQ_pPj4_5_

[@kidus_tv]

Startup sisters how will we ever cope

[@bharath2508]

The job market for mern stack developers in Australia, Ireland and Singapore is way better. All the 3 are English speaking countries. You might be staying in a overcrowded country. I am a mern stack developer who left Bangalore, India for Canberra, Australia.

[@adrian-4767]

bharath2508 what visa did you use for Australia? I've heard it's extremely difficult to get a work visa for Australia, so many requirements.

[@naughtiousmaximus7853]

And there is me just doing stuff in Svelte for frontend lmfao

[@osas4real]

beginning to love svelte here

[@armoredchimp]

Just started learning it today and I really like what I'm seeing so far. I want to be full-stack but leaning more towards back-end, and Svelte seems really streamlined and efficient which is perfect for me

[@Oncopoda]

Bro just yapping. "Node is lightweight". Lord help us all.

[@LeChuck.x17]

My personal 2024 list: TypeScript, Go, Python, Rust, C#

[@testing1-2three]

Exactly

[@ArchaicCreationsbp]

How did you learn typescript?

[@CalculusCoder.]

Documentation, youtube, and building projects. Microsoft docs are amazing. To learn react typescript though, I used CodeEvolutions videos

[@gaiusjcaesar09]

Heres my 2 pence (I'm british...). If you're a front-end dev / generally unfamiliar with backends and want to start somewhere, MERN or at least the ER is a good start. If you're familiar with JS, Express should be extremely easy to pick up, and learning how to use and deploy Express is a good start. I chose to learn Express before using Go it's been an extremely easy transition. Personally, I think a good transition looks like: React & Express -> NextJS & Express (ik ik, chill) -> NextJS & Go -> HTMX & Go Thats how I've transitioned. Learn a paradigm in language you know and are comfortable with, then keep shifting slightly each time.

[@slammgucci]

im bout to learn java lol!!!

[@user-dv7ti2zm9q]

REAL

[@gmacani]

"You shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that" Aight sure youtuber, where do you work at ?

[@jwoods9659]

I started building a commandline app in node a battleship game. Then I realize why in the world am I building this in JS. Started learning GO

[@Deb_deCoder]

what made you to realize that bizzare thing?

[@jwoods9659]

@@Deb_deCoder well I asked myself, ok would I ever build anything like this? Most of Js is in the frontend and your never using pure logic like this. Yes you build components and such. But I'm a newbie and I can say the frontend is a lot but comes down to your rendering data and making this move around. That is not the same at the core as building a app in CLI where it's all logic. So now I still do frontend learning. BUT I'm focusing more on longer term skills Golang maybe Java I see old-school companies are using that tech.

[@Deb_deCoder]

@@jwoods9659 old school dinosaur companies are using Java, Php because they cannot change it easily because of their huge codebase with those inefficient to work with languages.. today if someone learns those old languages then mostly they will get to maintain legacy codebases of those giant companies.. no modern codebase is using those langs anymore.. whatsapp, twitter, twitch, vs code, discord all big apps are made using JS.. they use web technology inside Electron to build desktop apps.. will you build bigger softwares than those big companies

[@youshouldntdothis5747]

I dont understand? Are you suggesting to learn php, c# and java or js @@Deb_deCoder

[@mrlectus]

The problem is that you are mostly going to be working with Legacy code if you choose Java or C#

[@ingenieroriquelmecagardomo4067]

Lmao do you even know what "Legacy code" means? The highest performant apps in that actually run world are not written in javascript. They are written in C derived languages and Java.

[@aricwilliamsdeveloper]

for my job I'm converting older Angular JS code to React. I would not worry about Legacy code, every dev. will have to support Legacy code at some point in their career

[@deistormmods]

Still legacy.​@@ingenieroriquelmecagardomo4067

[@natescode]

100% FALSE. I'm coding a greenfield C#.

[@natescode]

​@@ingenieroriquelmecagardomo4067"legacy" meaning actually valuable code not startups that fail

[@studyjourneyofficial]

I have classes in Python now in Uni. Is it good enough for internship in Backend?

[@ingenieroriquelmecagardomo4067]

No lol. You need to learn system design to understand how your code gets executed in the backend and how to structure your backend systems, if anything backend engineering is harder than frontend if they put you in charge of some of the systems related stuff

[@studyjourneyofficial]

Got cha, what's the roadmap for Backend that you would advise me to study?@@ingenieroriquelmecagardomo4067

[@CalculusCoder.]

Yes for an internship python is good! But for entry level positions , I’m not too sure. Python is great for embedded systems and data science. I don’t think I see a lot of entry level positions asking for Python + Django much. I’ll have to research that. But for internships yes, Python is a good language, companies usually ask you to know 1-2 OOP languages. I’d suggest being full stack. Front end: React or Angular, Typescript, CSS, HTML Backend: Java or C#, springboot or asp.net, PostgresSQL or MYSQL, AWS for cloud,

[@mike5629]

Should I learn sass or tailwind ? ​@@CalculusCoder.

[@Brynjar1]

Why are people recommending a NoSQL database to people who doesn't even know what is a DB anyways? mongo as a first DB is weird

[@sadmansadat]

Say this to the Bangladeshi companies where i live

[@iercan1234]

too late i took nodejs

[@jjjj5452]

in about 5 years there will be an oversaturation of C# junior devs

[@CalculusCoder.]

Time to get in now!

[@RoninX33]

That is like saying there will be an oversaturation of C++, Java, Cobol devs. Reason why there is an abundance of frontend devs is because it has a super easy ramp up. Kind of like the early days of Html non-responsive sites. I could be wrong, but C# has been going strong since like 2001 and I figure if the oversaturation was going to happen, it would have happened.

[@adrian-4767]

jjj5452 very true, only few people do realize what you've said. And it will happen way before than 5 years, I guarantee it will hapepn in 2-3 years.