You shouldn’t teach ASL if you’re not fluent. Period. (Part 1) (Tiktok): Lizzytharris

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Elizabeth Harris

Elizabeth Harris

Жыл бұрын

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@Cove_Blue
@Cove_Blue Жыл бұрын
I've seen people tweeting about her for too long now! Can't believe she's still talking over the deaf/hard of hearing community. Shared both these. Solidarity from the disabled community ✊🏻
@Am_._
@Am_._ Жыл бұрын
As a hearing person, even I feel weird that she'd do this. It's like teaching a med student how to perform a surgery when you are a med student yourself. You don't have the necessary knowledge to teach. I hope she stops.
@thottusthottusxoxo
@thottusthottusxoxo Жыл бұрын
@@Am_._ right, me too!! You don’t let someone in driving lessons teach their friend to drive and you don’t let someone who can only make sandwiches and eggs teach someone to cook so how is this any better??
@MusicInMotion_67
@MusicInMotion_67 Жыл бұрын
As part of the "disabled community" I see much, not all, but a lot of this as political correctness crap. I agree she shouldn't be teaching, but this girl in this video isn't fluent or straight ASL either.
@Cove_Blue
@Cove_Blue Жыл бұрын
@@MusicInMotion_67 What a fitting name you have.
@Am_._
@Am_._ Жыл бұрын
@@MusicInMotion_67 she's almost fluent though. She's been learning ASL since high school and she's in college now. She also knows how to sign correctly. Also she's not teaching ASL lmao
@conlon4332
@conlon4332 6 ай бұрын
If she's learning it she should be saying like "I learnt this sign today, let me know if I'm doing anything wrong, thanks!" or something like that.
@taylspin
@taylspin 5 ай бұрын
She does start a good deal of her videos by signing and captioning "today I learned" followed by the word of the day. Not all of her content includes this, but a decent chunk of it does.
@lexi219
@lexi219 4 ай бұрын
@@taylspin It should say that on all of them if she's going to post, especially when people get random videos on their feed. I just went to her page and clicked on a random video. All the script says is "Your beautiful in Sign Language #educational #americansignlanguage #asl #learninglanguages" and she signed it wrong. That's not okay. All she's doing is spreading misinformation.
@lydwhite9185
@lydwhite9185 4 ай бұрын
I thought she was originally doing it to show what she learnt to but spreading misinformation is so dangerous
@unconditionallyvalid
@unconditionallyvalid 4 ай бұрын
Yes!
@heehoopeanut420
@heehoopeanut420 4 ай бұрын
For real, so simple.
@katievickery8735
@katievickery8735 4 ай бұрын
I stopped learning ASL because I couldn't find a learning channel on KZbin or local place to learn. While my son was speach delayed because of hearing issues. We put together signs to communicate. Now he can hear after surgery. And now I am going deaf. These types of things terrify me and stop me from learning.
@amarathenth
@amarathenth 3 ай бұрын
Hi! Bill Vicars is an amazing KZbin Channel that most people learn from, also the Oklahoma School of Deaf has free ASL lessons for ASL 1 and ASL 2! You got this, and I wish you well
@katievickery8735
@katievickery8735 3 ай бұрын
Thank you both
@WillZow_official
@WillZow_official 3 ай бұрын
I’m sorry if I’m misunderstanding but I get if she’s just flat out wrong when “teaching” those signs but is there anything wrong with just teaching a sign in general like I get that the way ASL is structured is wayyyyyyy different than English language but if I’m not fluent I’m not allowed to teach someone a new word?
@amarathenth
@amarathenth 3 ай бұрын
@@WillZow_official yes, hearing people should not teach period. we cannot understand as much as a deaf person does, and due to the oppression we hearing people did to deaf people, they rather non deaf or hard or hearing people not teach ASL
@amarathenth
@amarathenth 3 ай бұрын
@@WillZow_official showing someone a new word is different i believe because you are showing a whole crowd it, and they probably will forget anyways but you should never be offering services whatsoever
@Moth-Bells
@Moth-Bells 3 ай бұрын
It'd be so easy to reframe a video like that as "The sign I learned today" and then sign it with its translation (even add a 'let me know if I made any mistakes' or something). It'd be just as effective as what she's doing
@your_loss2357
@your_loss2357 Жыл бұрын
Yes I agree, when I was trying to learn sign to communicate with my deaf sister, I had her help me and give feedback so I could be fluent and be able to “talk” to her at any time she needed or wanted to.
@heavenlydusk
@heavenlydusk Жыл бұрын
Wow
@DogLover1718
@DogLover1718 Жыл бұрын
Ur a great sibling ur heart is on the right place ☺️
@Simply_Barbie
@Simply_Barbie Жыл бұрын
Wow, you are a great sibling! ❤❤
@alysonm1289
@alysonm1289 4 ай бұрын
That's great! Siblings and children of the deaf are amazing learners and more fluid signers love this for you and ur sis
@JuniperJupiter23
@JuniperJupiter23 4 ай бұрын
There it is. The best way to learn ASL is from a deaf person or at least someone who is actually fluent.
@ireallyhateoranges1656
@ireallyhateoranges1656 Жыл бұрын
I agree so much as a person learning ASL our teacher told us that one of the most important things was not to teach signs online.
@bottomofastairwell
@bottomofastairwell Жыл бұрын
teaching a person in real life is one thing. You're there and you can correct their mistakes, show them how to fix things, etc. But you can't do that online. You can't even control what people do with the information you put out there. So if you're not a professional, you have no place "teaching" that stuff at all. It's the same way I feel about people teaching others medical info online. I work in the medical field, and the amount of crap i see online that is just plain wrong is staggering. And that crap is just plain dangerous.
@jasperjacobs496
@jasperjacobs496 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that was one of the first things I got told as well. I get wanting to show that you are learning, and I do show friends when I learn a fun new sign or something I am proud of. HOWEVER, I do this in private with showing the official Dutch sign language dictionary and telling that I am not yet fluent. I want to learn the deaf culture, so to be told that this damages the community would be enough to don't do this. Not nice of Lola, clearly a lack of respect.
@amanday3103
@amanday3103 Жыл бұрын
@my college that tried to do zoom asl classes in 2020
@M_SC
@M_SC Жыл бұрын
@@amanday3103you’ve misunderstood. The rule is for the people taking the class not to then teach the signs online. The actual proper teachers can
@trebaneconapise7793
@trebaneconapise7793 Жыл бұрын
​@@M_SC It's a general consensus that hearing people shouldn't teach sign languages. Period. It's not just about the language, it's a mother language of a minority and needs to be taught with regard to the deaf culture. None of us hearing people have that first-hand experience. Not to mention it's taking away the job opportunities for deaf sign language teachers as most people prefer the easier option of a teacher who can communicate in your language, minimizing your own effort... I quit my voluntary weekly czech sign language lesson for this and want to learn it properly later when i find a deaf teacher someday.
@TheWeirdoRavenclaw
@TheWeirdoRavenclaw 6 ай бұрын
Important to note: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO KNOW EVERY SINGLE WORD IN A LANGUAGE TO BE FLUENT!!!! my hard of hearing sign language teacher has been learning sign for 25+ years and teaching it for 6+ years. She was hard of hearing since birth. That doesn’t mean she knows every single sign to exist. She knows *most* of them. I will occasionally ask her about a sign that she doesn’t know. THAT IS OKAY! My other deaf sign language teacher runs into the same situation. He has been deaf since birth. He also occasionally does not know a sign that we ask him about. THAT IS OK!!! once again, fluency does not equal perfection.
@jacquelynchin5513
@jacquelynchin5513 23 күн бұрын
Not to mention it’s a living language that’s evolving and has different regional signs! No one is going to know it all. I asked my deaf and coda instructor if there was a sign for bouldering separate from rock climbing and he wasn’t sure and asked some friends! Always great to have a teacher who’s willing to admit “I don’t know”
@TheWeirdoRavenclaw
@TheWeirdoRavenclaw 22 күн бұрын
@@jacquelynchin5513 absolutely! Living languages are always changing! Hearing people that speak English (or any other language as well) don’t always know every word! There will be things that you don’t know! The important thing is to not pretend like you are an expert.
@nmg6248
@nmg6248 21 күн бұрын
WT heck are you even doing with this comment?? The point of the video is a non-hearing impaired person teaching INCORRECT signs as if she knows what she’s talking about. Not only is she pulling from the actual community and people who do know how to sign accurately. She’s able to monetize that attention. She should be called out so people are aware of the inaccuracy and misrepresentation
@Goofybatzreprise
@Goofybatzreprise 6 ай бұрын
Sometimes teaching is the best way to learn! I've told my Spanish teacher about how I teach my sister what I learn in class, and she says that teaching others can help you learn too!
@MorganMakesThings
@MorganMakesThings 19 күн бұрын
Teaching as the final part is actually a known learning model. Someone shows you, you do it (then do it well) then teach it. It allegedly locks it into your brain better.
@joebaumgart1146
@joebaumgart1146 Жыл бұрын
Another issue with teaching online whether you're fluent or not is dialects. If you're fluent in California asl and you come to Philadelphia you will need to relearn asl. Philadelphia never lost asl like most other states and because of this it has the most unique dialect in the whole country. It's much closer to French sign language than ASL. In the 1770's a Frenchmen opened up the very first school for the deaf in Philadelphia.
@wowwoahwee
@wowwoahwee Жыл бұрын
Holy knowledge lol! I can't even remember the year I was born in half the time let alone a whole ass asl history lesson by territory. 🤭 This was actually really cool. I'm glad you said everything you did! Every time I pop down to her comment section I learn something new like this that I find very interesting and can read up on. 👍🏻 💯 Thanks mate! Learning good, fire bad. 🤣
@phoenixfire2578
@phoenixfire2578 Жыл бұрын
That would make sense with different languages (English, Spanish, Italian, ect), but why isn't ASL universal in English? It seems like it would make it that much more difficult to communicate if there are so many different dialects within an area/country. Why aren't they streamlined? Is that something that's known or just evolved into?
@perregrine
@perregrine Жыл бұрын
​@@phoenixfire2578 The first reason that ASL isn't universal throughout anglophone countries is America is not the origin of the anglophones. If sign languages followed the spoken languages used in the Modern era (they didn't), British Sign Language would be the obvious choice. ASL is thought to have originated at a school started by a man who learned sign language in France while observing other educators of deaf students. Thus, ASL shares more with a sign language that isn't associated with anglophones than it does with BSL.
@phoenixfire2578
@phoenixfire2578 Жыл бұрын
@@beyondfan thank you for your reply! I thought ASL was structured from the language in the area to coincide with reading lips. I thought I understood how it works and I was clearly wrong! 😀
@phoenixfire2578
@phoenixfire2578 Жыл бұрын
@@perregrine thank you for your reply! Wow. I need to look into this further bc I thought signs were directly from the words spoken. I imagine so many more people think it works that way too.
@stormexaustralia77
@stormexaustralia77 Жыл бұрын
The next generation of school kids over here will be fluent in ASL (Australian) as sign language has become part of the school curriculum 😀 and I think it's absolutely fan-bloody-tastic! The deaf community is now going to be inclusive in everyday life as kids will be taught from a young age sign language as they learn words and speech as they grow.
@awesometani8148
@awesometani8148 Жыл бұрын
This is amazing!!
@miguelelgueta5830
@miguelelgueta5830 Жыл бұрын
absolutely amazing
@wegame2024
@wegame2024 Жыл бұрын
I wish America would take a lesson from Australia's book. Some colleges won't even consider ASL as a foreigner language credit so it's as if they never even took a language. So frustrating.
@splehcar
@splehcar Жыл бұрын
Deaf here. Small quibble. When referring to sign language in Australia it's called AUSLAN In America, it's ASL.
@janewaysmom
@janewaysmom Жыл бұрын
That's awesome! Do you know which sign language they'll be learning? ASL would be American sign language, but you noted you're Australian (I'm assuming that's what you meant to note), so are they still being taught American Sign Language, or is it Australian Sign Language, or another one? I'm just curious, in all honesty.
@future_future
@future_future 4 ай бұрын
What?!? Im deaf, and only 13x and find no problem with this, she is NOT teaching!!!! She specifically stated how shes not teaching and is ASKING for modifications!!! What?!?
@aliciakerr7639
@aliciakerr7639 3 ай бұрын
It seems to me that this young lady is possibly a tad jealous that the other young lady’s videos “blew up”.
@milys8902
@milys8902 Ай бұрын
I don't think so. She probably misunderstood. ​@@aliciakerr7639
@downtowngirl960
@downtowngirl960 4 ай бұрын
i really don't think its that big of a deal, as a deaf person I truly think she's just showing what she's learned
@goldencr_ss
@goldencr_ss 4 ай бұрын
fr
@ahmadalimi9784
@ahmadalimi9784 4 ай бұрын
She literally encouraged people to send hate to those politely correcting her signs in the comments to the point it led to death threats against those people. When confronted with this, she blatantly ignored it and continued playing the victim. She lied about being a fluent interpreter to gain an opportunity to sign the national anthem at sporting events
@downtowngirl960
@downtowngirl960 4 ай бұрын
@@ahmadalimi9784 honey i have no idea where your getting information but it is definitely untrue
@downtowngirl960
@downtowngirl960 4 ай бұрын
@@ahmadalimi9784 honey,i think you've been told the wrong info.that never happened
@ShyFly221
@ShyFly221 4 ай бұрын
​@@ahmadalimi9784that is an entirely different scenario than what is described in the video. This issue shouldnt be phrased as "You shouldnt be teaching signs you learned when you arent fluent" it should be "Dont actively send death threats when deaf people correct your signs"
@yo-sr5uq
@yo-sr5uq Жыл бұрын
That "or whatever" after "There's this girl named Lola" is an amazing diss😂
@SixxThirtyFive
@SixxThirtyFive 5 ай бұрын
😂😂
@kelli5603
@kelli5603 4 ай бұрын
The hand slaps were so dismissive.. 😂😂😂
@Tangerineschpeedo
@Tangerineschpeedo 3 ай бұрын
*clack clack*
@Brainjoy01
@Brainjoy01 3 ай бұрын
I think she’s mad Lola blew up and hers didn’t
@user_kudos7
@user_kudos7 3 ай бұрын
@@Brainjoy01 doubt it
@LaraOlina
@LaraOlina Жыл бұрын
i think the problem isn't her teaching others when she isn't fluent herself, there are lots of accounts like that for vocal languages too for tracking progress and getting in contact with other language learners, but that apparently she teaches it wrong and won't correct her mistakes but continues to spread wrong information.
@montananerd8244
@montananerd8244 Жыл бұрын
It doesn't sound like those tracking progress & practicing are teaching tho. the teaching actually IS part of the problem, with or without disclaimers, she has no qualifications to teach ASL.
@Baritone-qd2jj
@Baritone-qd2jj Жыл бұрын
The teaching is the problem i know her and its with no malice intent what she is doin its a hobby for her just as guitar is to me we both suck and will get better she is too young for all this backlash still in grade school lmao i think it’s hilarious but she has no formal training or credentials to teach and that wasnt even her aim just somthing it turned into
@ishathakor
@ishathakor Жыл бұрын
the teaching is the problem. accounts that are for tracking progress don't teach. when i post korean speaking videos i'm doing that to track progress or get feedback, which is clearly not what lola is doing.
@jnharton
@jnharton 7 ай бұрын
@@montananerd8244Qualifications or the lack of them is less of an issue than claiming to be an authority on a language when you're actually contradicting a recognized authority.
@KatieCottingham
@KatieCottingham 4 ай бұрын
​@@Baritone-qd2jj If she's so young she can't handle the consequences of her arrogance and entitlement, then her parents need to take away and delete her social media accounts. But they're probably making money off of her if they've been as viral aa other people have shown. This is why children shouldn't be on social media, certainly not alone.
@DCwolf138
@DCwolf138 4 ай бұрын
This has to be the most piddling drama of 2024...
@Milo_The_Rando
@Milo_The_Rando 4 ай бұрын
If I'm understanding right what your saying is if she was like " I just learned this sign to day I'm not a teacher don't learn from me" like I do when I post any little bit of ASL on tt like the M-A-M-A B-O-Y thing
@CG-MP
@CG-MP Жыл бұрын
My sister teaches deaf/hard of hearing kids. She said one of the hardest parts of ASL is how incredibly localized the signs can be. If that’s the case, I imagine trying to learn from *anyone* online isn’t going to work.
@lookingup82
@lookingup82 3 ай бұрын
Local dialects. Lot of signs are recognized all over but different towns were separate and often learned different signs for thing. I lived in upstate NY, drove one hour to Poughkeepsie to work, or drove East for an hour and in Hartford Conn. the signs had variances! 2 hours apart and different signs. Some a fairly standardized, but You can't teach bike racing if you're still on training wheels.
@foxracer1703
@foxracer1703 3 ай бұрын
Maybe that's true. I have a deaf person in my family. He is over 60 so he communicates pretty well without ASL to hearing people when he needs to. He reads lips and mouths answers....for a long time I got apps on my phone, learning a word a day. I was truly trying to learn ASL. When I would sign things like "bowl to him or certain family members like cousin or in law...he would just nod
@foxracer1703
@foxracer1703 3 ай бұрын
Certain words he'd just nod and I didn't know for the longest time there were different signs until we wrote notes about it months later!
@MorganMakesThings
@MorganMakesThings 19 күн бұрын
You can learn online. Several of the people I subscribe to will do a couple of variations, and have warned that it might vary where you live, and to check with your local Deaf community. Within the Deaf community, I imagine that someone using a different sign for McDonald's (for example) is probably not unheard of, but the person seeing it would know what was meant. Much in the same way as when someone asks for a soda/pop in an area where the word they are using is less prevalent. Or that when someone from the deep south of the US speaks to you, you understand what they are saying, even if the accent is really thick and they say things like "warsh" instead of "wash".
@lyktahlyktah8528
@lyktahlyktah8528 Жыл бұрын
I’m a deaf guy and I agree I have had to correct people that have learned a SL this way and when I’ve asked them where did you learn this from? They have cited places like this and I said well they got it wrong.
@user-zw6th1oq6s
@user-zw6th1oq6s 5 ай бұрын
That's what we should do to anyone learning a language. If they don't speak it right, tell them they're wrong every chance we get. Then we can get real upset when we don't feel included.
@user-hs3eo3zs6t
@user-hs3eo3zs6t Ай бұрын
Where or from whom do you suggest an hearing person who is interested in learning ASL trying to do so?
@lyktahlyktah8528
@lyktahlyktah8528 Ай бұрын
@@user-hs3eo3zs6t contract deaf interpreter or someone from a deaf school
@kathypomeroy6179
@kathypomeroy6179 18 күн бұрын
I wish I was fluent but don't have anyone to sign with. I do teach some sign with my young students - is that ok even though I'm not fluent? I would love your input...thanks!
@Fennec574
@Fennec574 3 ай бұрын
She actually says “today I LEARNED” and her signs are correct from what I’ve seen
@Kaylan965
@Kaylan965 3 ай бұрын
Literally and she probably says “not teaching” so ppl don’t learn from her, I rlly don’t see the problem
@renren6659
@renren6659 3 ай бұрын
(cmiiw) some people say that she doesnt include it in all of her videos, so that is what causing the problem Ig?
@Fennec574
@Fennec574 3 ай бұрын
She does tho-
@surrealistgirlx
@surrealistgirlx 2 ай бұрын
This content creator is presenting new signs language. An actual deaf person is telling you that her signs are incorrect. Her audience will then use these signs to communicate with deaf people. If I was deaf I would feel that this person is mocking my language.
@Petie718
@Petie718 2 ай бұрын
And are you actually fluent in ASL?
@Twrminated
@Twrminated 3 ай бұрын
Really late but I went to her channel. Almost all her content is her showing a new sign she learned. She’s not meant to teach anyone nor is it her goal. Her trying to learn sign and documenting her small growth isn’t taking away from the deaf community, she’s trying to learn. People are choosing to learn/listen to them because there aren’t a lot of free or accessible ASL teachings
@autumnkmeadows
@autumnkmeadows Жыл бұрын
as someone who is trying to learn ASL to be able to communicate better with a deaf friend, I found Lola’s account & thought it was really cool that she was breaking ASL down into easy to learn signs that I could quickly pick up. but I had no idea all the (unfortunately deserved) backlash she was getting from the deaf community; all of which is very valid & I wish I had known sooner! thanks, especially to your videos Liz, I unfollowed her on all my accounts! I hope to find more and more deaf content creators like you to have as much exposure to ASL as possible. ❤️
@chichichichichichiOwO
@chichichichichichiOwO 3 ай бұрын
i mean shes getting it wrong and that's fine, she's learning and that's the literal whole point
@jsbaldo5556
@jsbaldo5556 3 ай бұрын
@@chichichichichichiOwO There was this Girl who used to do awesome music videos in ASL she'd play the song and sign to the song, and they were right but she had the I love you sign in asl for a t-shirt with her name... The deaf community OBLITERATED her channel and spread the most vial things about her and she quit because of the stress, they literally told her she can't sell any merch with sign language because she wasn't deaf while at the same time claiming they were not "gatekeeping" SPREADING the language is BEAUTIFUL, Its not the deaf community as a whole at all though, It was younger generation and what they called "deaf twitter" but they still were able to spread , meanwhile the deaf who watch her channel WERE SO SAD, they tried to convince her over and over that she should not get bullied and that no one has a free pass to bully others, regardless of what you have, there is a way to treat people. She was really popular so this was not a small amount of deaf or hard of hearing people telling her they loved it and bought her merch, Not that this situation is the same, But t'm weary of these stories because usually it isn't as bad, But... even then... its just someone trying to show what she learned, And i can gaurentee the people who are upset didn't handle it right and were probably very very harsh instead of saying, It's wrong, please don't teach.
@Unavailable_MPfile
@Unavailable_MPfile Жыл бұрын
"Teaching is easy re-teaching is 10 times harder" -My 8th grade teacher (Edit Thank you so much for all the likes!)
@nokia_eq23
@nokia_eq23 Жыл бұрын
Wiser words have not been spoken
@Sleipnirseight
@Sleipnirseight Жыл бұрын
More like "teaching is hard as fuck; re-teaching is a shit show"
@verakeys8912
@verakeys8912 Жыл бұрын
I 2nd that as a piano teacher!
@darkriku12
@darkriku12 6 ай бұрын
3rd as a dancer, where people will learn for like 3 months and start trying to teach, telling everybody that everyone else with 20+ years of exp is wrong 🙃
@Sedef208
@Sedef208 7 ай бұрын
I’m a hearing person who’s fluent in ASL since both of my parents are completely deaf and I completely agree with EVERYTHING you say.
@AaliyahSmiley
@AaliyahSmiley 3 ай бұрын
I have a deaf big brother (by 4 years) and I knew a lot of sign language before I could even talk thanks to my mom!❤
@arkarts2987
@arkarts2987 Жыл бұрын
I feel like what she should have done is instead do updates about what she has learned and show the new signs she knows but instead of it being to teach people it would be to confirm if the signs are correct so she could have a ton of people from the community coach her. So rather than “sign of the day” it would be “new sign I learned today.” A small distinction but it completely changes the intent and instead makes it a wholesome learning experience.
@erinnichols4866
@erinnichols4866 6 ай бұрын
Yes
@yourlord5972
@yourlord5972 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree with you. As someone who’s first language was ASL (but still hearing) I would never teach something like that online. It’s just not right. The only reason I was taught asl was bc my mom is deaf. Now I’ll teach it to a friend but not to a large mass online, it’s just not right.
@LethalLemonLime
@LethalLemonLime Жыл бұрын
why is it not right to teach it online? only asking cause lots of people teach spoken languages online so I'm curious why it's not right to teach sign language online. im genuinely asking btw in case you can't tell
@angelicMisha
@angelicMisha Жыл бұрын
@@LethalLemonLime I'm only guessing that maybe because sign language is so nuanced - you have different versions of sign language (eg ASL, BSL etc) as well as regional differences. Plus hand and head placement and facial expression is so important that things could easily be misconstrued online. Plus you wouldn't have the benefit of the teacher correcting you in real time.
@Justme-jh6uu
@Justme-jh6uu 10 ай бұрын
​​@@angelicMisha With there being so many different dialects just in ASL then why is this girl throwing a hissy fit over another person showing signs they have learned? How do any of you know its not a different dialect? Lizzie CONSTANTLY signs the wrong words in almost every video. But no one questions her because why? She claims to not hear anything at all yet has hearing aids? She makes vidoes about Starbucks employees signing words wrong and vidoes saying how she writes down her orders and if someone tries to talk to her she puts her hand up and points to her ears. She can hear!!! She likes the attention of causing a scene so she can make videos about it. She is hard of hearing NOT deaf. She has hearing aids and can hear. I know plenty of deaf people, my brother included and have been signing most of my life. She is putting on an act and pretending to be completely deaf when shes not.
@Chair....
@Chair.... 8 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠​⁠@@Justme-jh6uuthat’s not the point… she’s completely deaf in one ear and mostly deaf in the other (I BELIEVE, I very much could be thinking of another creator), so no, she is not 100% deaf in both ears, but VERY MUCH hard of hearing. That’s not attention seeking you dippy dope, that is legit her group, she is apart of that community. The hearing aids only help so much… she cannot hear that well with hearing aids. Hearing aids usually suck ass man, especially the worse your hearing is. She cannot hear. Of course she writes her orders down in order to communicate, because she doesn’t know what they’re saying 100%, she can only make an educated guess. Of course she shares her experiences with Starbucks baristas who sign incorrectly, SHES A DEAF CONTENT CREATOR 😭 her whole shtick is talking about HER EXPERIENCES and HER LIFE, and when people ask questions like “how do you order at a drive through?” She answers them from her own personal experiences. Cmon dawg no way you know that many deaf people and are pressed she’s not 100% fucking deaf, that’s just fucking stupid. She’s still apart of the deaf community. She’s not hiding shit or seeking attention by claiming she’s fully deaf 💀
@user-zw6th1oq6s
@user-zw6th1oq6s 5 ай бұрын
​@@angelicMishathis all applies to spoken languages as well though.
@j.m251
@j.m251 7 ай бұрын
But, she’s literally saying she isn’t fluent and is learning. She’s just showing what she took from class like with any other language and them being a language learner. It helps reinforce what they’ve learned and Introduces someone else to it in a way like, “see, don’t think you can’t if I can even though I didn’t grow up learning it or need it the same way.” All one has to do is look at her full journey or know where she’s from I think there’s nothing wrong. Literally is fine with every language
@megxme_
@megxme_ 5 ай бұрын
The thing is though shes just sharing her journey, shes not trying to teach, although i do see that it looks like it, plus she always says 'today i *learned* '
@be3p
@be3p 4 ай бұрын
which is implying she learned the right sign? and is showing it on a video bc she thinks it’s the right one 😭 be so fr
@megxme_
@megxme_ 4 ай бұрын
@@be3p it's implying she learned *a* sign, it may not be the right one. It's like in languages, depending on who you get taught by means you may be taught the wrong thing, speaking from experience.
@ahmadalimi9784
@ahmadalimi9784 4 ай бұрын
​@@megxme_She literally encouraged people to send hate to those politely correcting her signs in the comments to the point it led to death threats against those people. When confronted with this, she blatantly ignored it and continued playing the victim. She lied about being a fluent interpreter to gain an opportunity to sign the national anthem at sporting events
@chichichichichichiOwO
@chichichichichichiOwO 3 ай бұрын
@@ahmadalimi9784 if thats true wheres the proof and why didn't this content creator not say that? because I think that's the worse thing out of all this then "shes showing people what she learned"
@ahmadalimi9784
@ahmadalimi9784 3 ай бұрын
@chichichichichichiOwO lol google it. Also, the content creator still said that she was spreading misinformation, not just showing what shes learned. It doesn't matter if she means to, but there are impressionable people using her videos as a form of learning for sign language, and she does not do her due diligence in making sure her signs are accurate. Furthermore, in the comments of her videos she replies to people that say that they "learn with her," and does not actively discourage them from kearning from her despite being a novice, young girl or not when you have a large platform it is your responsibility to make sure you do not spread misinformation-especially if there are several others who have clarified that you are doing so. The first time it was a mistake, the second an accident but the third, fourth, fifth time it is her responsibility to make sure that she is careful about the signs she uses to make sure they are accurate. As a hearing person who does not use sign language as tgeur primary language, this form of misinformation does not affect her, but it does affect actual deaf/HOH people. Again, this is just one of her minor offenses, but you are misrepresenting the situation and making it seem like she is a victim. SHE IS IN THE WRONG.
@piperhansen1414
@piperhansen1414 Жыл бұрын
i took my first year of asl in high school from a coda, then the second year was from a hearing person, but i think she did a really good job! she puts a huge emphasis on deaf culture and respecting those apart of it. she often reminds us that if we ever get the chance to talk to someone who is deaf, we need to be happy to take feedback from them and keep in mind that they are native to asl and we aren’t.
@maczajsci7080
@maczajsci7080 Жыл бұрын
There is a bit of a trade off between not teaching Sign language and helping more people take up sign language. Also, teaching signs as a student helps your reinforce what you have learnt and lets other around you be more understanding of sign languages. Many people have never met a Deaf person and surely a hearing person teaching them a few signs (as long as they are correct) is better than them knowing nothing if they do meet one in the future. That been said if you do teach, you are responsible for teaching the language correctly and you should not try to go beyond your level. Maybe having a disclaimer or using primary sources (with actual native speakers/Deaf people) would be best.
@Imalostghosty
@Imalostghosty 3 ай бұрын
I genuinely got terrified when she said lola because thats my name but then i realized it was a different person
@Milady7021
@Milady7021 5 ай бұрын
With internet everyone can be a teacher which opens new opportunities but also new dangers. Had a teachers at literally school that knew about their subject even less than that, so it's not smth new. Spreading awareness and being careful with learning resources is the best what we can do
@th3yluv.grac3
@th3yluv.grac3 Жыл бұрын
Please blow this video up so people all over the world can see it ❤
@user-we5pd7ds5o
@user-we5pd7ds5o Жыл бұрын
Sign language all over the world is entirely different from ASL. Just letting you know.
@summerrose823
@summerrose823 Жыл бұрын
@@user-we5pd7ds5oyes, but it applies to every kind of sign language. Don’t teach sign language online, that’s the message we need to share.
@circleofleaves2676
@circleofleaves2676 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Where I live, the sign language is called Auslan, not ASL, but you're right that the principle applies everywhere. Let the Deaf Community be the teachers.
@elsievessey222
@elsievessey222 5 ай бұрын
@user-we5pd7ds5o. yh i think everyone who knows about sign language knows that sign language is different in every country BSL ASL are prolly the most popular (well on my feed idk)
@chichichichichichiOwO
@chichichichichichiOwO 3 ай бұрын
no cause this video is harmful towards the girl herself. shes just showing people what shes learned and a majority of her videos she starts with "this is what I learned today" shes going to get things wrong cause shes learning and shes literally not teaching. its fine to say what she signed was wrong because she needs to know cause.....shes learning. that page is actually more like a journal
@rachaelbatey
@rachaelbatey Жыл бұрын
This is why I'm so scared to learn ASL. I once tried to use what I learned when talking to a deaf couple at work and they made fun of me. She definitely shouldn't be teaching but I do think trying to use ASL in day-to-day life can be kind of beneficial but one bad experience can ruin someone's desire to learn.
@jadecoolness101
@jadecoolness101 9 ай бұрын
That type of deaf people are a menace honestly. "Lol ur bad at sign language" okay then I just wont learn, if you're going to be an ass about it. Screw me for putting in effort. Get used to bringing a pen and paper everywhere because I'm not learning your language then if you're going to be a jerk.
@TheMrVengeance
@TheMrVengeance 9 ай бұрын
Exactly. Sharing parts of what you've learned is natural. People learning a spoken language do this too, they'll want to show people what they've learned, even if they're not fluent yet. If a whole community then sh*ts on you for publicly daring to show off what you've learned because you're not immediately perfect and fluent... that's a great way to make sure that person an a LOT of other people will never ever learn that language at all. Imagine someone's trying to learn English and they upload a video of their progress, and then a bunch of native English speakers tell them _"How dare you speak English, you're doing it wrong, you're not even fluent. What if someone sees this and learns English wrong from your video. You're terrible!"_ Now that person is probably going to stop learning English and anyone else that sees that reaction isn't going to try either. Good job.
@ibkristykat
@ibkristykat 8 ай бұрын
😢they should have taught you, not made fun of you. That was rude AF
@samanthagibson5791
@samanthagibson5791 6 ай бұрын
I work in pharmacies. Years ago a deaf person came up with his hearing friend. I noted the name and when it was ready I used finger spelling to 'call' his name. He was so happy it made me grateful I knew that little. Languages are my weak point, I barely passed both English and French GCSE, and learning sign seems to be an in-person thing, but I often wish I could manage to learn BSL
@haroldharold9042
@haroldharold9042 5 ай бұрын
Sorry you ran into those assholes.
@kittycatgrilledcheese
@kittycatgrilledcheese 12 күн бұрын
11:19 IS ACTUALLY CRAZY BRO 😭
@Ducks4Life_Mm2
@Ducks4Life_Mm2 9 ай бұрын
Im deaf and I really love ur videos so much bc it makes me comfortable being/watching vids bout deaf peoples life!
@jamestown_se
@jamestown_se Жыл бұрын
But there also seems to be dialect/accent (?) differences in ASL. I took a year of ASL in college in the Northwest and had a handful of deaf/HoH friends but when I moved to the Southeast, a lot of signs I'd learned were not the same in the southeastern dialect/accent of ASL. Don't mean to play devils advocate but that has been my experience and maybe it's similar for her? Either way I agree she shouldn't be teaching and she should definitely be listening to the deaf community's opinions about what she's doing with their language!
@loverlyredhead
@loverlyredhead Жыл бұрын
I had this experience, too. Except mine was a difference between the Texas panhandle and central Texas. I was told I signed the wrong sign for a word by a Deaf person and his wife. It was such a small difference that it was basically an accent. But I guess since I was a student, they didn't consider that I could be right but from a different accent/dialect.
@kayaissimo
@kayaissimo Жыл бұрын
I see the signs from you and I learn 😂
@PizzaPenguin650
@PizzaPenguin650 Жыл бұрын
Too bad they Are mirrored because of tiktok :(
@kayaissimo
@kayaissimo Жыл бұрын
@@PizzaPenguin650 😢
@LadybeetleMaddox
@LadybeetleMaddox Жыл бұрын
​@Julie Kalbakk Jørgensen Does the mirroring matter? When you sign doesn't each person use the side they prefer. I thought I had learned that. Thatrillright
@ellawowowow
@ellawowowow Жыл бұрын
​@@LadybeetleMaddox it does matter when doing signs that are specifically signed on for example the right side of your face
@LadybeetleMaddox
@LadybeetleMaddox Жыл бұрын
@Ella ෆ OK. That does make sense and sound familiar too. I remember asking about handedness but not place specific.
@l.c.7955
@l.c.7955 3 ай бұрын
"Lola or whatever" Sass even in sign 🤣 men and women just wanted to gossip and not being able to talk wasn't going to stop them 😂👏
@user-gy7bt7mo6e
@user-gy7bt7mo6e 3 ай бұрын
This deserves way more views.
@Jilly_Neutron
@Jilly_Neutron Жыл бұрын
I don’t know if I fully agree. We let older high school students tutor younger high school students in subjects they too are still learning. I know my first introduction to ASL was from Chella Man a deaf person who isn’t fluent in ASL (by their own words). Obviously teaching things incorrectly is harmful, but I don’t have an issue with someone at an intermediate level teaching some basics.
@Avaanneq
@Avaanneq Жыл бұрын
I agree, and it’s so sad. I’m learning ASL so I can speak to family members I have in the deaf community and in class the most important things we learn is to not “teach” because we aren’t fluent. And it’s so horrible because we want to break the language barrier not build more walls. It’s ok to teach if you’re fluent but not if your spreading misinformation
@chicken
@chicken 4 ай бұрын
Agreed, it's important to learn ASL correctly to avoid spreading misinformation.
@larahoma5756
@larahoma5756 3 ай бұрын
Am i the only one finding the sound her nails make when she does asl satisfying?
@bottomofastairwell
@bottomofastairwell Жыл бұрын
i can understand people wanting to learn, because i do that. I came home after a concert where they had an interpreter and showed my sister a new sign I learned that night watching them. Sunrise. Because i thought the sign was really cool. I learned a sign from a professional interpreter and passed it on because i thought it was neat. That's one thing. But I don't sit here and pretend I actually know what i'm doing, because i don't. I'm still learning. I just like sharing things that I think are cool. The problem is people acting like they know things when they don't. Then you're just spreading bad information that hurts the whole community. And when people give you feedback, freaking TAKE IT. I would LOVE to have a deaf person/coda/professional interpreter in my life who could correct any mistakes I was making so that I knew i was getting things right. That would be amazing. Because it's a lot harder to UNLEARN incorrect things than it is to learn it the right way the first time. That's a serious problem. And taking advantage of a whole community just to get a following is really crappy.
@tinkeramma
@tinkeramma Жыл бұрын
As a hearing person with ties to Deaf community, I'd love to watch a channel that was designed to video conference with the Deaf. Live corrections, captions, showing what it is really like to learn ASL. I don't know what the Deaf community would think of such a channel and their input is more relevant than mine. One of the biggest concerns I've seen is the distaste for hearing people profiting from the Deaf, so if someone did start such a channel, I'd recommend proceeds be donated to a Deaf charity of choice.
@brid8923
@brid8923 Жыл бұрын
"You're not fluent" lmao like that's stopped any language teacher ever from teaching a language. XD
@SillyConure
@SillyConure Жыл бұрын
I'm from Germany and quite a lot of my English teachers were only semi fluent. It wasn't that uncommon that my English was actually better than the teacher's and one of them just flat out told me that I would probably do a better job at teaching English than her. I was flattered, but tbh I have no idea how to deal with teenagers so probably not. Bless that teacher though, her classes were fun. I just helped her out whenever she forgot a word or wasn't sure about something ^^
@SadistModeOn
@SadistModeOn 5 ай бұрын
What's not being acknowledged is that fluency is a spectrum. I think it's fair to say that a beginner should be wary of teaching teaching, but people who are intermediate... If you say they can't teach even complete beginners, I'd say that's gatekeeping and reducing the amount of resources out there 🤷 Like it's fine if you think they should disclose that info, but straight out saying they shouldn't is wrong imho
@chichichichichichiOwO
@chichichichichichiOwO 3 ай бұрын
and this content creator isn't fluent herself. it takes years upon years of constant use of a language to be considered "fluent" and she has like 3 years.
@chichichichichichiOwO
@chichichichichichiOwO 3 ай бұрын
@@SadistModeOn exactly.
@commentator1984
@commentator1984 5 ай бұрын
Languages are often taught by incompletely fluent people. Part of the fun is trying it out and saying something ridiculous. But trying is better than just not communicating. If some girl is teaching wrong signs, just comment. We all know to check the comments.
@sunniest.sunbear
@sunniest.sunbear 4 ай бұрын
I'm currently learning Makkaton (I think that's how you spell it) so I can make more friends :)
@niannynuiunyion21
@niannynuiunyion21 Жыл бұрын
Your videos recently have made me really interested in learning ASL but im too scared to try because i always quit anything i start
@tzuyuwu786
@tzuyuwu786 Жыл бұрын
Just give it a try!
@CamilaAntelo2004
@CamilaAntelo2004 Жыл бұрын
I am doing German and yes I really enjoy learning and speaking the language
@chichichichichichiOwO
@chichichichichichiOwO 3 ай бұрын
deff don't show this content creator tho or she might think your teaching lol
@montananerd8244
@montananerd8244 Жыл бұрын
I was never taught, as hearing person with Deaf colleagues, to depend on specific signs, but to approach ASL as a whole body language. when you are in communication space with someone, their face is still your #1 cue for language meaning. I know a bazillion sign, but I am not fast enough in comprehension to be useful lol. just learning static signs does not equal knowing ASL. and asl etiquette matters A LOT, if you don't know cultural norms, you can embarrass yourself badly (it's been 30 yrs, I still am mad at myself lol).
@joannaceballos2058
@joannaceballos2058 7 ай бұрын
🎶 her name is lola, she was a show girl-
@macihamilton6718
@macihamilton6718 3 ай бұрын
But that's was 30 years ago
@HauMun_1lovetacos
@HauMun_1lovetacos 3 ай бұрын
I love how you are okay about this and just say it is not right and not picking a fight.
@summergarcia5497
@summergarcia5497 Жыл бұрын
The way I was taught is that you should use your dominant hand for most signs especially when it comes to sign that involve movement but I went on tik tok and someone asked a girl that was “teaching” ASL which hand they should use and she said it didn’t matter. And then she was teaching sentence structure for ex: I was taught to sign “your name what’s?” When signing i ASL But she was teaching it as “what’s your name” the way we would speak it in English. This is when I discovered that hearing people who are learning sign are out here teaching other people sign. It’s so hard to trust accounts when I actually want to LEARN. I only follow a few people now Bill vicars , ASL Meredith and learn to sign. Those 3 accounts have helped me learn sign and sentence structure which is what I struggle with from switching to English to ASL .
@tinkeramma
@tinkeramma Жыл бұрын
Both are technically correct. I have to sign with my non-dominant hand acting as the dominant hand while signing. I'm right hand dominant but experience intense chronic pain from a broken wrist that didn't heal properly. My right wrist cannot take the strain from signing, so I have to relearn as a left handed signer. The signs are the same no matter which hand is used as dominant. For most hearing people, it is ideal to have the dominant signing hand be the normally dominant hand. When we don't use sign language for all of our communication, we don't build the same muscle strength the Deaf do. Our dominant hands have more muscle strength, especially for fine motor movements, than our non-dominant hands. It ultimately doesn't matter, but it can be a little confusing when signing switches from right dominant to left and back again.
@tinkeramma
@tinkeramma Жыл бұрын
Also, "what's your name?" would be Signed Exact English or SEE sign which is closer to what Lizzy does. ASL and English grammar don't allow for speaking and signing simultaneously. Can't comment on her qualifications to teach SEE sign, but happy to share that not all signed language in the US looks the same. SEE sign is not it's own language; it has English grammar and ASL signs.
@Bubblereeds
@Bubblereeds Жыл бұрын
I hope somebody is commenting under Lola’s posts so that those who are learning from her find out!
@feelthejoy
@feelthejoy Жыл бұрын
Is she on TikTok only or KZbin? I’ve never seen her but I don’t really use TikTok
@thatonegayicon
@thatonegayicon 4 ай бұрын
the way ive been learning is I follow multiple deaf people and codas snd just watching them sign while talking to get more familiar with the signs
@KalassinDracon
@KalassinDracon 3 ай бұрын
The first video I saw of you you were talking about how you couldn't have 'loud' or 'noisy' nails and you said next time they would be fire. First of all, you did not lie, But, your nails click clack sometimes when you sign and the sound makes my AuDHD brain SO happy. I dunno why but I listened to this so many times for the little click clack. ❤😂😂😂😂
@theresnoi9792
@theresnoi9792 Жыл бұрын
I'm not trying to be rude. but I'm confused why their is such a stigma in the deaf community with people who aren't deaf teaching ASL. When I was learning Spanish I would learn from non native speakers all the time.
@Emily-ys4nb
@Emily-ys4nb 9 ай бұрын
What she is saying is that she was doing the signs incorrectly
@jamielehman4934
@jamielehman4934 Жыл бұрын
How can a person whose learning know whether or not they're learning the right thing? I had a friend who bought a sign language book so he could learn to communicate with his deaf friend but his deaf friend told him almost everything in the book is wrong...
@dazsmith4958
@dazsmith4958 5 ай бұрын
In the UK, but one thing that I was "proud" and shocked by one time was when at army cadets, we were allowed to do a teaching presentation on a subjevt of our interest, and I picked BSL. The instructor told me afterwards "I let you do that because I assumed you were going to fake the signs, and I have Deaf family members, so good job on actually learning and doing it right." I was lowkey shook she assumed I'd fake it, but knowing more now, I sort of understand, sadly.
@Ralphies_Mom
@Ralphies_Mom 3 ай бұрын
I just stare at your hands, they are so pretty...they flow like waves
@casio4067
@casio4067 Жыл бұрын
I honestly dont think theres any issue with this based on the context of your video. If someone posts a "what i learn in a day learning spanish" or anything else for that matter even if its wrong its not technically teaching. Thats on the viewers for trying to learn from her when shes stated its not meant for teaching purposes
@usa9103
@usa9103 Жыл бұрын
Well she did sign the national anthem completely wrong at an event
@vortexwriting1026
@vortexwriting1026 Жыл бұрын
I want you to imagine that you are scrolling through shorts and you see me and I say: "Todays latin word of the day is Paterfamilias! this means brother" I taught you something didn't I? *That's teaching* even if "technically" it is not in it's traditional form. Also it's wrong because Paterfamilias means head of the household
@chichichichichichiOwO
@chichichichichichiOwO 3 ай бұрын
@@vortexwriting1026 okay except she didn't do that, her whole page is about HER learning. if it triggers you that someone is learning and they get something wrong (BECAUSE THEY ARE LEARNING) then correct them (nicely) then move on.
@vortexwriting1026
@vortexwriting1026 3 ай бұрын
@@chichichichichichiOwO The issue is that she doesn't correct herself when it is wrong so shes spreading misinformation
@chichichichichichiOwO
@chichichichichichiOwO 3 ай бұрын
@@vortexwriting1026 again, she's not teaching, the whole point is that she's learning
@mrbeanieboy2752
@mrbeanieboy2752 Жыл бұрын
I have a cousin who is deaf, I’m definitely not great at ASL, we do long signing because I know the alphabet so when I get stuck I just sign out what I’m trying to say and then she’ll show me a better sign for what I’m trying to say, it’s not easy for sure but having a good teacher is a MUST if you want to be able to communicate better using ASL, luckily she’s very patient with us and will teach us anything we wanna know
@crackheadgabi4833
@crackheadgabi4833 3 ай бұрын
The fact that I’d always enjoy her videos before knowing this😭
@5pider_4you
@5pider_4you 3 ай бұрын
And this is why i learn from professionals,off topic but your nails are very pretty
@DelphineDenton
@DelphineDenton Жыл бұрын
It would be better if she was duetting fluent creators to show her progress side by side.
@kutanra
@kutanra Жыл бұрын
I'm trying to learn BSL online, using a source from the Deaf community and one of the first things I learned was "Sorry, I'm still learning" and "I don't know that sign" 😂
@kiki.k888
@kiki.k888 6 ай бұрын
petition for elizabeth to make asl teaching vids
@AnneBoleyn-wg6cq
@AnneBoleyn-wg6cq 3 ай бұрын
I love the like tapping with you’re nails and the sign language is so inspiring
@myotiswii
@myotiswii Жыл бұрын
My sister has been teaching me English starting when she was 6 years old and I was 2. She had just begun learning it at school. 4 years later when I started at school I was nearly fluent. It gave me such a boost, by the time I was 10 my English was as good as my first language. What she is doing is sharing her learning journey. It's like when you explain a math problems to a classmate and it's more comprehensible then what the prof was teaching. Being taught by someone around your own level is a great technique for learning. Something that I teach (and am also qualified to teach) is finswimming. I had a kid, that just wouldn't learn how to dive straight down. Tried everything. Then another kid noticed and shared that he learned to do handstands in the shallow water first and that helped him to dive. I learned that 18 years ago, for me it just 'feels natural' but someone who just learned it can help with the tips that helped them. And my last point is: Don't gatekeep. It won't do you any good.
@beyondfan
@beyondfan Жыл бұрын
I think the issue here is that ASL is a language of an often overlooked and under-supported minority, and that having someone act as an authority on the language when they are not can harm the efforts of the community. However I agree that gatekeeping should be limited and hearing people learning ASL properly should be supported!
@perregrine
@perregrine Жыл бұрын
Sharing a word you're learning in a new language every day is something I've seen before as a way to improve. So I checked it out and there's nothing to suggest she's not teaching. It's really not hard to be a respectful beginner whether it's a sign language or not...
@bhperfig349
@bhperfig349 3 ай бұрын
hearing ur nails clack while u were doing asl scratched a part of my brain in such a nice way
@Skoomasipper
@Skoomasipper 4 ай бұрын
Ugh I love sign language with nails on its so calming and satisfying
@tarabletv
@tarabletv Жыл бұрын
I know you said its not enough, but if shes been consistent about just sharing her OWN learning journey, then people should be able to tell shes not teaching it, just showing words that shes learning. i feel like a more tactful response would be to inform her that her words are wrong, and how to speak ASL better without making a whole tiktok on it.
@plucas9324
@plucas9324 Жыл бұрын
A person who is not fluent CAN absolutely teach an language as long as they do not exceed their knowledge limit. I can teach, and have taught, BEGINNING French, Spanish, and ASL, even though I'm not fully fluent in any of them. Should someone hire me over a fluent person, all other factors (teaching experience, availability, salary required, etc.) being equal? No.
@rebeccabale3460
@rebeccabale3460 5 ай бұрын
When I was in high school it took a Spanish class and the Spanish teacher was Spanish. She was from Spain actually and she said to never learn a language no matter what language it is from someone who is not from that country or fluent in that language. This is not the first time I've heard about this and I'm glad it's still being talked about because shit like this is not okay it's different if you don't know better, but at the same time spreading false information is wrong
@superferretcookie5368
@superferretcookie5368 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for keeping up informed
@morganmua5681
@morganmua5681 Жыл бұрын
If the people who are there to learn follow her wouldn’t they know she’s still learning herself? Maybe they just want to follow her journey.
@indicavixen
@indicavixen 8 ай бұрын
I think it's important for everyone to remember they are human and when you are good in one area and feel the importance to cast your judgement on someone else you feel is doing something wrong on purpose, to remember that we all possess the ability not only to do things wrong and be judged for it but to also be the person that continues on with whatever we want to do thinking it's the best. I think being transparent and even addressing her in a disarming fashion without accusation is a great way to start. Not making her out to be someone who is blatantly trying to harm people. We need to learn to separate certain emotions irregardless of disability and realize our humanity more. I agree with you. I think she's just a harmless kid thinking she's doing something right and not understanding how to take feedback and improve. I don't think it deserves a slam post. This video comes off as very innocent but...the tone isn't quite right and has some attitude that isn't necessary, remember, the next time it's you messing up, you're gonna want compassion and understanding too.
@xolotl_lemone
@xolotl_lemone 7 ай бұрын
She's been told what she's doing is wrong multiple times
@chichichichichichiOwO
@chichichichichichiOwO 3 ай бұрын
@@xolotl_lemone and she'ss learn especially if she's actually taking classes (which she is) also just saying "your wrong" won't help
@xolotl_lemone
@xolotl_lemone 3 ай бұрын
@@chichichichichichiOwO people have been telling her whats specifically shes been doing wrong and how to fix that.
@chichichichichichiOwO
@chichichichichichiOwO 3 ай бұрын
@xolotl_lemone and she's learning, tf yall on about, she is a literal noob and taking classes on it. It's like walking up to someone who sucks at a video game and telling them "get good" like yeah sure yall giving advice but she's still gonna make mistakes CAUSE SHE IS LEARNING.
@mathhelpmanda
@mathhelpmanda Жыл бұрын
As an ASL learner, I agree with you that folks who aren't fluent shouldn't be teaching on social media. However, as a parent who isn't fluent but has mild to moderately deaf children who had significant speech delays as toddlers and wear hearing aids now as young adults, I think that teaching my children signs I knew was important even though I wasn't fluent. I homeschool my youngest and I teach her signs I know just like I teach her Spanish words that I know. If I used not being fully fluent as an excuse to not share that knowledge with my kids, they'd know a lot less ASL and a lot less Spanish. I think the difference is that when it's something I don't know, I say I don't know and we look it up together. I never pretend to know, guess, or make stuff up, and I don't broadcast my attempts at ASL on any social media or represent myself as an interpreter. I'm just saying please don't discourage parents from trying to teach their kids ASL.
@tinkeramma
@tinkeramma Жыл бұрын
I am a hearing mother to a Deaf little girl. My experience has been that the Deaf community delights in hearing parents giving their deaf children access to visual language. Here in Utah, we had a Deaf mentor for my daughter for 3 years when she was young, before school age. One of the most encouraging things she taught me is that it is more important that my daughter have access to language than being completely accurate in ASL. Many families have home signs, things that are signed differently between family in a household because they develop organically -- parents learning ASL do their best, occasionally sign something inconsistent with ASL, and then it sticks. Children with access to ASL education will eventually learn the difference between home signs and ASL much like children who speak one language at home and another at school do, except with great overlap as parents have started the foundation. For children who will use technology to be schooled in mainstream classes, the most important thing now is access to language to develop the pathways in the brain primed to learn languages in early childhood. This might look like teaching earliest teachers a few of the signs from home to know what their student needs when the student is stressed. Please don't feel discouraged. This isn't directed at our situation.
@natedawg1114
@natedawg1114 8 ай бұрын
Wow the most stunningly beautiful deaf person I’ve ever seen!
@caliglid
@caliglid 8 ай бұрын
deafness doesn’t affect your appearance tho?
@natedawg1114
@natedawg1114 8 ай бұрын
@@caliglid yes I know that obviously.. I was just saying she’s really pretty
@knightabraxas
@knightabraxas 4 ай бұрын
It is so c*nt when your nails clack when you sign, ESPECIALLY when you sign "whatever" ❤ it's so good lol
@myyoutubeacc
@myyoutubeacc 4 ай бұрын
She sings today I learned and then shows the sign. Y’all are just looking for something to be mad at.
@fatgothartist
@fatgothartist Жыл бұрын
I feel like someone needs to find out what school she attends to learn asl and let her teacher know she's doing this to intervene because it's blatant misinformation
@shes_tired
@shes_tired Жыл бұрын
I agree that what she's doing is not okay and she should stop and apologize, but finding out which school she attends and invading her privacy like that seems like too much
@irrelevancyiskey9992
@irrelevancyiskey9992 Жыл бұрын
@@shes_tired she wont listen to anyone else, and shes getting the signs wrong on top of teaching which is a big deal. also calling yourself an interpreter when you’re not is actually illegal so im all for contacting her teacher. there needs to be repercussions for this behaviour.
@fatgothartist
@fatgothartist Жыл бұрын
​@@shes_tired one of the first things taught when learning asl is about deaf culture and how the number one thing you shouldn't do as someone learning is upload videos of yourself signing for the public because it spreads misinformation. I'm not saying we all need to know where she lives or something, I said someone needs to inform the teacher, for example a peer of hers. Where someone goes to public school isn't really private information and I don't know if it should be if you're going to be spreading around misinformation and directly harming the deaf community. And if it were a college class then it should even more be brought to light. These things are not just something annoying, it's detrimental to the deaf community because it's harder to unlearn something than to learn it in the first place. If she was spreading around misinformation about autism or ADHD as a medical student, you would want that reported to the school. It's the same thing. Is deaf and HOH people have it hard enough as is, we don't need this shit being perpetuated so that this girl can make money off of brand deals on her misinformation. And you can look at her page, almost every other video is a brand deal, so she's not innocent or something.
@Janne_Mai
@Janne_Mai Жыл бұрын
Um yeah no, it is in fact private information where she goes to school unless she shares it. I want her to stop too but this goes too far. Everyone deserves human rights like the right to privacy, even if they're being an asshole on the internet
@mellohi2899
@mellohi2899 Жыл бұрын
​@• 𝙺𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚎𝚛 • 100% Agree with you. Looking up her school is 2 steps away from doxxing her and that's way too weird to justify.
@Girl_on_Youtube640
@Girl_on_Youtube640 3 ай бұрын
This is off topic but LOVE YOUR NAILS 💅❤
@MyAnonymousArt
@MyAnonymousArt 3 ай бұрын
I have a deaf neighbor that helps me learn some things and I must say it is more helpful to learn from the real deal than a video. also girl I love your nails!!! ❤️
@soph3194
@soph3194 9 ай бұрын
she not trying to teach at all. she’s just simply showing what she learnt that day, the audacity you have to call people out.
@mariasusanebrao7086
@mariasusanebrao7086 9 ай бұрын
She was showing it in a way that a person who teaches ASL would do it. But the problem is that she's doing it incorrectly and showing other people to do the same. I believe now she just shows her learning process, but she used to do something different. This video is old, so don't think that it applies to the present.
@ScrewgeMcF_ck
@ScrewgeMcF_ck 9 ай бұрын
Girly… she literally claimed she was fluent, calling those who politely corrected her “haters” and accused them of faking being deaf/HOH. This resulted in those politely correcting her receiving death threats.
@ZoZoZoeee
@ZoZoZoeee 5 ай бұрын
intention doesn't fucking matter if the result is still damaging
@misspriss2482
@misspriss2482 4 ай бұрын
@@ZoZoZoeee That's not true. The result can be damaging if someone takes it the wrong way. It had nothing to do with the person's intentions. If I post a video about how to shoot a gun when you go hunting and someone uses that knowledge to kill a person, I am not responsible for that result. It was my intention to make a hunting video.
@sourdoebread
@sourdoebread Жыл бұрын
Non-fluent signers teaching ASL incorrectly reminds me of the time my first French teacher, an American who learned French as a second language while traveling abroad in college, taught me that the French word for "excited" is "exciteé" and I learned a year later that it actually means horny and I had basically been saying for months that I was horny for everything. That's why I believe languages should be taught only by native speakers/signers whenever possible.
@laurenmiller4824
@laurenmiller4824 5 ай бұрын
I don’t think you need to be a native speaker to teach. I just think you need to be at a level where you are fluent and understand enough of the nuances. Non-natives can be great teachers because they had to learn the language as a second language too and that helps them understand rules. People who speak as a native don’t always know how to explain why a word is used or grammar rules. Because they just use the language naturally and know when something sounds awkward. If that makes sense.
@eliquos
@eliquos 4 ай бұрын
​@@laurenmiller4824 yup also some natives won't learn the language of the place they teach in like my mandarin teacher 😭 like please learn our language instead of yapping while our whole class try to understand
@xxxmy21xxx
@xxxmy21xxx 4 ай бұрын
"Excited" does translate to "excité.e" in French though... It's just got different meanings in different contexts, just like the english word does...
@Ceileighlynn
@Ceileighlynn 9 ай бұрын
LOVE your nails girl and keep up the good work
@KevserUygur
@KevserUygur 3 ай бұрын
Omg she talks so well ❤❤
@RagePaige101
@RagePaige101 3 ай бұрын
She's learning. Why don't YOU keep that in mind and since you're so fluent.. teach us, don't hate!!!!
@0Milena_aneliM0
@0Milena_aneliM0 Жыл бұрын
I just searched it bc I love fresh tea, and she is indeed teaching. Personally as someone that learned a language I would understand someone posting words they learned that day for motivation. But at the same time... no she isn't making it clear that she is a learner besides her non fluent signing 😂
@lilith_spohn
@lilith_spohn 4 ай бұрын
Are aware of how clicky your nails sound while signing? I love it! Lol it's so satisfying to hear while you're signing. It's like asmr asl
@andreaaguilar9740
@andreaaguilar9740 9 ай бұрын
Ok on a different note entirely is it just me that finds it mentally satisfying when she signs while talking? (This is just me, i love you girl so dont take out of context i just find it mentally satisfyingfor myself....)
@thatgirlAtlas
@thatgirlAtlas Жыл бұрын
I wanna learn ASL 😍 (because it’s another language to communicate with another human and another way of becoming more knowledgeable and open-minded) but I don’t know of any hard of hearing or deaf people and I don’t think that my school has classes. What would y’all rec?
@beastlygaming2892
@beastlygaming2892 Жыл бұрын
Sad world we live in today 😢
@dianashearer5930
@dianashearer5930 Жыл бұрын
W h y
@keto..goober
@keto..goober Жыл бұрын
@@dianashearer5930 wdym why
@Ohfr_
@Ohfr_ Жыл бұрын
​@Diana Shearer Idk, maybe because she's spreading misinformation intentionally to a wide audience, or ya know, straight up ignoring concerns from people who already know ASL. Gee, I'm just not sure what the problem is...
@Dreadtheday
@Dreadtheday 3 ай бұрын
I have been watching you for a long time.... and you showed videos when you were learning.... I mean people even complained and you made a similar response. ..
@tracidowning2335
@tracidowning2335 3 ай бұрын
If we need someone to learn from we have u!!
@juliem1423
@juliem1423 Жыл бұрын
Where is a good resource to learn ASL? I would love to learn!
@Zaina_Alsalman
@Zaina_Alsalman Жыл бұрын
I've seen many people speak about this. I don't get why she can't just clarify shes not fluent in her reels or talk with the deaf community to become fluent. It'd be a good idea to share common mistakes in asl and the way to sign them properly. She doesn't have to keep doing this
@crystalnoname6046
@crystalnoname6046 Жыл бұрын
She doesn't do that because she will lose her followers. She is an "influencer" (God how I hate that word lol) that needs to have drama to stay relevant is another reason why.
@Zaina_Alsalman
@Zaina_Alsalman Жыл бұрын
@@crystalnoname6046 those "consumers" are the reason so many inhumane people get to keep doing what they do. If everyone who learned about this just didn't watch or interact on her account we'd have an easier time dealing with it
@ciararusk1781
@ciararusk1781 4 ай бұрын
I love the way your nails clack when you sign it’s so girly pop ❤
@Everyday_Eva
@Everyday_Eva 4 ай бұрын
Maybe she was excited to share her journey?😊
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