You’ve seen the haka, but have you seen the speech that caused it?

[@trevorauld1039]

TPM behaving like the spoilt brats they are.

[@FredFred-q7l]

The speaker should have kicked the trouble makers out. Instead they were allowed to constantly harass Seymour for his entire speech. No MP should have to yell like this over the top of this sort of thing. The problem is the speaker not putting a stop to this crap.

[@kevinwelsh9962]

thank you David.

[@Yeahright666-]

I do not understand what people think is wrong or unfair with what Seymour is putting forward.

[@DW_Kiwi]

Maori greed

[@rayh.7757]

@@Yeahright666- Exactly! Despite what the biased media lead us to believe, the majority of New Zealanders agree with you.

[@Freeeedumb]

🤦‍♂️ if you only listen to david of course you don't understand

[@Freeeedumb]

​@@DW_Kiwistopping mining and drilling companies is the opposite of greed donut

[@Gumpmachine1]

@@Freeeedumbyeah we wouldn’t want all those high paying jobs like Australia

[@sunstar1630]

David Seymour and the ACT Party stand for all New Zealanders.

[@Oznz-m5c]

Actually the Atlas Network.... get your facts right.

[@Freeeedumb]

Everybody except the poor.. and maori

[@Gumpmachine1]

@@Freeeedumbthat’s what you’ve been told to think. Reality is they haven’t got any policies specifically aimed at holding certain groups back

[@Freeeedumb]

@Gumpmachine1 that's what I have read and heard to think 🙄 not holding people back, thats your metric.. are you serious?! 😂

[@Betternzforall]

@@Freeeedumb The last four letters of your username sum you up nicely.

[@John-c7i4m]

Brownlee is pathetic…he cant control the house☹️😏this is an excellent bill…we need the referendum

[@Freeeedumb]

@John-c7i4m what do you stand to benefit from the referendum? ..please don't say equal rights, cos then I'll say what are the rights you're currently missing and how does that affect you.. also can't have a referendum on a 2 party agreement which you're not party to

[@_.Marz._]

Can't you see...the man has very little energy to begin with. "Chin Chin"

[@Astrodoberman]

@@Freeeedumb Actually we can, or did you miss the part about NZ being a democracy with a govt that represents the people and the interests of the crown.

[@Freeeedumb]

@Astrodoberman no you can't, literally nobody agrees including the UN. You said it, david represents the interests of the crown, not maori.. that says it all. It's an attempted steamrolling. I agree a convo could be had but not like this, its disingenous at best. Might does not make right. As for 'democracy' (a classic line, i love it) when pakeha outnumber maori 5 to 1 that's a non starter. Everyday joe blow has no right to a vote on an agreement between 2 partys, it's between maori and the crown. David represents the crown, where's maori?

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@Freeeedumb What rights will you specifically loose that every New Zealander will gain If the treaty principles bill went through?

[@TerryPalmer-d2l]

Dead right David, good on you

[@openmind5973]

This bill has opened my eyes to the insidious ways media try to control the narrative. The language being used to describe David Seymour and the bill is inflammatory, extreme and incorrect. Having this discussion is uncomfortable and important. We need to pull together as a country to thrive in this global economy. Merry Christmas everyone. All the best for the new year.

[@Freeeedumb]

@openmind5973 to have this discussion you need to take people with you.. David has not done that whatsoever, not even deliberated with the other party. A conversation could be had but this is moronic, designed to cause outrage and attention for David.

[@Astrodoberman]

@@Freeeedumb Misinformation, it is you who needs to listen to what David is saying and not the source you are currently listening to. Like a media that claimed to know what David was proposing before he has proposed it.

[@Freeeedumb]

@Astrodoberman I have listened, very very carefully and I compare David to a trojan horse. Fyi the media represent the views of the majority of kiwis otherwise they'd change. That doesn't make them biased, they just don't share your worldview, nor do most of the country

[@broniabutler4166]

Another excellent speech from David Seymour, shame about the idiot interruptions 😊

[@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadass]

he is the idiot thats why he got told to stand down in parliament a few weeks later

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadass Did you think you made a point by typing that comment about "someone else" being an idiot?

[@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadass]

@@logicalanswer3529 I thought that was what this chat thread was about calling people idiots , idiot or are you hard of following because your an idiot , idiot

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadass Once again you have proven with your own comment why you are in no position to be calling other people idiots - Well done.

[@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadass]

@@logicalanswer3529 why because i don't have white privalage like the person who wrote the original comment, where's the equality in that , what makes you think you have the right to tell me what I can and can not say is it because you are apart of the most privalaged group of people on the planet and still think its your born privalage to tell people what they can and can not do

[@mephistofleece]

Thank you David Seymour and ACT ❤

[@John-c7i4m]

Nicole McKee is an excellent , strong ACT MP😜😜

[@Freeeedumb]

🚬🚬🚬🚬🚬🚬🚬🚬🚬🚬🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫

[@damolux3388]

NZ should become a republic. The treaty is between the crown and maori. If the crown no longer has anything to do with NZ then the treaty is null and void.

[@Oznz-m5c]

The crown is the NZ government stupid.....

[@Freeeedumb]

@damolux3388 then it becomes a discussion between the govt and maori. Not youtube bottom feeders like yourself who understand a simple slogan and think that's all there is to it

[@_.Marz._]

Therefore making Māori a SOVEREIGN people. Yep, I'm down for that

[@domdonald]

@@_.Marz._what on earth does that even mean? A separate state? Separate land? Ok then presumably the rest of New Zealanders can charge tariffs for using anything that doesn’t belong to Māori? Good luck with that.

[@_.Marz._]

@domdonald Yep. You can charge each other 👍

[@John-c7i4m]

Brownlee is pathetic…he cant control the house☹️😏

[@JJZB9]

Nothing reasonable can be said against this

[@Freeeedumb]

@@JJZB9 nothing reasonable can be said about this

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@Freeeedumb You just proved their point - Well done.

[@Freeeedumb]

@logicalanswer3529 I'll give you a B for effort on that one 🤣 hard to convey context via text

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@Freeeedumb That is why you failed.

[@TuateaKiwi]

Clearly not much interest from across the chamber in a healthy debate and contest of ideas. Democracy is in deep trouble folks.

[@greencloud2225]

“We have our own sovereign” but not all Māori tribes support the Māori (now) queen. Māori tribes have never had a universal leader. They have always had their own tribal leaders and spent most of their time fighting each other. Right up to the musket wars where over 100 000 Māori were lost in tribal wars.

[@de-nz4jp]

The infantile behaviour of those who want their own way and the rest of new zealanders to pay for their way is abhorant..

[@bigboy0625]

Disgusting behavior by the Maori if they think it's ok to act like that in 2024 then it just shows you the type of people that they are and the example they are showing the young Maori how to act and get there voice heard. Keep fighting David have a great Christmas and happy new year. Our future PM for New Zealand 🇳🇿

[@Gumpmachine1]

Bit unfair to assign blame based on ethnicity. Doesn’t help anyone

[@Rowanfbird]

Act like that on the marie and youd be eaten no respect for anyone other than themslves .just sloths

[@Astrodoberman]

@@Gumpmachine1 Good point!

[@_.Marz._]

​@@Rowanfbird Māori don't give two-fuggs about a masonic system.

[@Jack-v6s7j]

Way too soft. Basically, summed up, there were three articles: The first article stated that Māori ceded sovereignty to the Queen. The following two articles ensured that, in return for this, Māori would keep their land and possessions. Article three guaranteed that Māori would be treated equally under the law. Done-nothing more, nothing less. By 1853, democracy had superseded the Treaty, and in 1865, at Kohimarama, over 120 Māori chiefs made it clear they were happy to cede sovereignty for the Crown’s protection. They even revolted against those who hadn’t signed-mainly the Waikato chiefs. A war was fought, and while the majority favored ceding sovereignty, a few chiefs resisted. They lost, and everything eventually came under democratic processes, prioritizing individual rights over tribal rights. In the 1970s, negotiations regarding Treaty settlements began, including the establishment of the Waitangi Tribunal to address historical injustices. However, in the 1980s, the “principles” of the Treaty were reinterpreted and reworked to suit modern-day Māori. This should never have happened. This reworking introduced much of the division we see today, including claims of equal partnership. Over the last 10 years, we have witnessed an indoctrination of Te Reo Māori in schools and throughout the education system. This was further influenced by John Key’s signing of the Indigenous Rights Act, aligning with WEF/UN agendas. These organizations have encouraged Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives, which have led to societal fractures worldwide. The goal appears to be introducing elite communism by 2030. Jacinda Ardern signed New Zealand onto the UN Agenda 2030, the date by which the WEF/UN aims to implement Stakeholder Capitalism-essentially, elite communism. Alongside this are nonsensical carbon-zero policies designed to weaken countries. This should give smaller countries a clearer understanding of the bigger goals of these organizations and how they manipulate societies to create division and fear, all for their ultimate goal: global control.

[@de-nz4jp]

Thank you for that information..

[@Oznz-m5c]

Basically you are ignorant and racist Jack.

[@normanhill1052]

​@@Oznz-m5c GFY.

[@SJDRacingNZ]

​@@Oznz-m5c which part of what Jack said was 'racist' exactly?

[@greencloud2225]

⁠@@Oznz-m5cbasically you haven’t argued against anything. Like TPM here, barracking from the sidelines is not debating.

[@larrylewislarry]

“A little bit of order, thank you very much…. Unless you’d prefer to remain rude and rowdy.”

[@Astrodoberman]

Did not watch or listen to the haka

[@leofromthefire]

🫡🇳🇿

[@Freeeedumb]

Good, I know tourists come to new zealand to see the nearly extinct white dinosaurs anyway

[@schlookie]

​@@Freeeedumbracist

[@Astrodoberman]

@@Freeeedumb A poor argument based on raceism and ageism is no argument.

[@leofromthefire]

Anybody who acts or speaks against this bill is not for Humanity and Equality. A Very Merry Christmas to Yourself, Family and Loved ones ❤️‍🔥🇳🇿❤️‍🔥

[@Freeeedumb]

@leofromthefire Humanity.. that's a stretch mate 😂 also your attitude is doing more for racial division than anything in NZ

[@schlookie]

​@@Freeeedumbmaori arr owed nothing

[@rayh.7757]

Typical Tea Party Mayree acting like kiddies!

[@davidpullein3793]

Thank goodness for David Seymour and Winston Peter's

[@brendonlee3550]

Stop that yelling in the back ground bloody make them leave the room

[@NZdiagnostics]

It's time for Brownlee to go, he has let parliament become a childish shambles.

[@TuateaKiwi]

@@NZdiagnostics agree it’s a shambles, but from what I’ve seen I think Brownlee is making a reasonable go of walking a fine line. Perhaps if standing orders had a bit more bite…

[@Kiwi-LSA]

The yelling is coming from those that have special rights, and are afraid of losing those special rights

[@Freeeedumb]

@brendonlee3550 this shows you only watch one side. Everybody in the house shouts 🤣

[@gypsyroma9574]

Like,Watch and share!!!!

[@Oznz-m5c]

👎 🥸 🤮

[@Betternzforall]

@@Oznz-m5c Wow, emoji’s. That’s an intelligent, grownup argument!

[@schlookie]

​@@Oznz-m5cgrow up

[@puppetmastersofficial]

This is what Māori cant accept, the idea of the treaty bill. People always pull a hissy fit whenever their knowledge and ego are challenged. Awesome work as always David and ACT, you have so many of us beside you 🩵💛🩷

[@Freeeedumb]

Yea, cos the treaty bill defies the treaty 😂

[@schlookie]

​@@Freeeedumbno more maori grift. What a pity

[@Yeahright666-]

@@Freeeedumb how? You are commenting your opinion but not why how etc.

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@schlookie Exactly - I can sense the panic from the people who live off handouts based on ethnicity.

[@SuperHuia]

Maori are not a separate race . We are just one species and race is a daft social construct. Please help these archaic ideas go away. They achieve nothing but division.

[@Gumpmachine1]

Pretty much, unfortunately we are a xenophobic species that likes to divide itself along different lines

[@_.Marz._]

Nope. Our culture is HERE TO STAY! You folk have absolutely no say in the matter 🖕

[@rayh.7757]

Typical Tea Party Maori misbehaving as usual.

[@Colonel_Blimp]

Of course Parliament should determine this. In New Zealand Parliament is Sovereign.

[@adtbevin]

Let's not be divided by race. Merit🎖️ Christmas🎄 everybody.

[@naytch2003]

Absolutely..we are ALL equal

[@Freeeedumb]

@@adtbevin You think a referendum on something that one side very strongly opposes is going to make us more united?! What planet are you living on

[@DubC68]

Maori totally ceded sovernttiy. Any one who can read can understand that

[@Freeeedumb]

@@DubC68 common sense says otherwise

[@rusureaboutthatorami]

Be specific...who exactly ceded sovereignty??? Names...area?

[@_.Marz._]

Anyone who has done an ounce of THOROUGH RESEARCH...(ten years prior to the Treaty signing to be exact) will know that Māori and their intentions to self-govern were ALWAYS on the cards...right up until 1840! Busby himself was partial to Chief sovereignty but only for certain tribes. What does that tell you? Māori already had a multi-chieftan system in place. Tribal chiefs were already accustomed to taking care of their own boundaries. Māori will look after Māori while pakeha look after their own. That was the original deal! History shows us brits always vowed for full control...regardless of which country they were invading. Sharing was NEVER their thing and with all this land and natural resources up for grabs, it's no surprises they wanted full control. The only way they could obtain that was through deceptive means as they couldn't defeat Māori, otherwise. No other nation dared to come to these lands immediately or even years after the dutch. Not until 127years later. Word got around that Māori were a force to be reckoned with. The isolation of lands deterred many.

[@rebeccabriggs2982]

​@_.Marz._ the speeches made by the Chiefs prior to signing prove they knew exactly what cedeing sovereignty meant.... then they signed.

[@_.Marz._]

@@rebeccabriggs2982 Firstly, there were many speeches telling paakeha to go back to where they came from. All did not agree. Secondly, the Māori translation differs from the English translation so what ever Māori agreed to was based on their own interpretation of the Māori version. Big difference.

[@atubelooka]

Matter of time.

[@davidgrosvenor1]

Weak Gerry

[@andyox-gr9gy]

Brownly is bloody useless

[@Rowanfbird]

Maori see nz seeing what maori have gotten away with under ardern now it gonna b taken away they dont like it ha ha ha.gravytrainers

[@_.Marz._]

Decades earlier, Māori had absolutely nothing. No representation, no cultural programmes, highest in numbers for majority of statistics ( not welfare though...pakeha take the cake with 187,365 pakeha on the bene compared to Māori with 144,216). Once Māori started to gain 'recognition' of sorts....all the racists came out of the woodwork. Folk couldn't stand to hear TeReo spoken in mainstream spaces or see it on the news. You folk showed your true colours. You lot seem to be OK with Māori culture...as long as it's hidden from public eye. Guess what....WE'RE HERE TO STAY !! So keep paying your taxes. Thanks in advance 😊

[@Rowanfbird]

@_.Marz._ nice bene stats considering theres 3 million more pakeaha drrr nice schooling oh 4got you never attended

[@scollyutube]

Even more embarrassing is TPM don't even understand the bill, or choose not too. The lack of understanding by their supporters would be laughable if it wasn't so serious for overall unity in NZ.

[@Freeeedumb]

TPM do understand the bill, of course they do. If suggesting a bill caused the biggest protest in generations, what will happen if a referendum happens?! Everybody will suddenly see the light 😂 please, division stems from the 'othering' of people, like rewriting their agreement for them, then putting it up for a vote where the population ratio is 5 to 1.

[@pampossum9431]

The only reason the activists do not like the bill is because the gravy is about to taken off the train!

[@Gray-x7g]

🔴LQQK: Brian Tamaki has a stack of info on TPM to share with ACT! That info will show what happens when no one asks the hard questions.The song and dance party🤠 are about to be exposedJan25 2025.This info (knowledge) must be shared(used)‼💯

[@Tripl3Thr33Productions]

Where can people find this information?

[@Freeeedumb]

​@@Tripl3Thr33Productions probably in the Bible

[@Ironian-kd6]

@Gray-x7g desperate times when you bring Brian Tamaki into this, he has his own agenda. Strange word to use exploited 🤔

[@Freeeedumb]

@Gray-x7g Brian Tamaki.. yea nah. Send in your money and be saved

[@Gray-x7g]

@@Tripl3Thr33Productions Brian Tamaki 😅ffs

[@gerben4992]

Equal rights for all New Zealanders? We have seen the last years pretty clear how governments act on equal rights. This is the reason why people are concerned.

[@bernardwinkels7117]

I know Māori are still not equal according to statistics, and what about the institutional racism in the govt departments. We have got a long way to go before Māori are on par with pakeha

[@gerben4992]

@bernardwinkels7117 The systems that are running worldwide are not beneficial for all humans. All in the name of (fake) money. We are all in the same boat. Why ask for support and authority from a system that doesn't support equal rights? If there was democracy we would have referendums on important laws. We also want to hear the opinions of humans who didn't give their vote to these systems.

[@Freeeedumb]

@bernardwinkels7117 possibly the only sensible comment on here, well done 👍

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@bernardwinkels7117 What statistics claim that Maori are not equal? Give a specific example of "institutional racism" that exists outside of your own mind.

[@maoribloodtraitor]

Going to say it. I wouldn't trust Rawiri purely based on the way he dresses. Maybe I'm old fassioned, but someone dressing up in cowboy hats and posing as some kind of Maori activist just doesn't smell right. I think power is his only intention.

[@brycebennett189]

Stole the poor old Moas land and they dont get a say in it because they are dead, poor resource consent i think

[@rusureaboutthatorami]

Wooly mammoth..dodo bird...cows...ox....wolves....hippos... rhinoceros...elephants were made extinct due to Europeans hunting them.....🤯🤯🤯 MOA...Cool story mate

[@TuateaKiwi]

After the public consultation period, the select committee will prepare a report on the bill for the House, including recommending changes to the bill. Everyone has the opportunity to have their say. What Act have put forward is a starting point for that say. While National have said they wont support a second reading, and whether you’re for or against, what is so terrible about a public discourse about the principles? Or are we limited to the easy issues only?

[@rebeccabriggs2982]

Everyone is included under the Treaty, not only Maori.

[@deanostevenson9238]

Seymour , you cannot change a historic document and agreement , the treaty is our country’s history a historic agreement .

[@whatiswrongwithwhatihadwankers]

This man needs to sit down and stop talking sense.

[@rebeccabriggs2982]

Any and every culture has always been able to come here and speak their language and practice their culture (within our laws). How are Maori the only culture silenced and quashed? How come those of us growing up in the 50s 60s 70s 80s know the culture was widely practiced and respected in and outside school?

[@Freeeedumb]

I'd recommend reading no maori allowed, as that is just not the case.

[@rebeccabriggs2982]

There are 8 points that prove Maori ceded sovereignty. Can any one here give me any that prove they did not?

[@joshcampbell3261]

Seymour on top

[@cindykenyon8860]

bad manners and disrespect to the building and position these people voted to stand for and TV cover bring us to this sad state of affairs......and with no punishment it will continue to happen.....again and again. look at the rabble Waitangi has become,,,,,,,,a descrase to the whole country.........

[@ricmid]

Well we thought Mallard "The Duck" was bad, but this speaker is even worse, in fact a "lame duck"!😎

[@AmeliaRosehe1]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 The Hori from Epsom 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadass]

buahahaha you guys struggling or something , you have to use the Haka to boost your content , what a joke , maori only good when you can use us

[@Gumpmachine1]

Everyone is only considered good when they are of use. That isn’t unique to Maori

[@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadass]

@@Gumpmachine1 this isn't an attack on everyone its on Maori from sooky people who have had to honor the simple 3 paragraph contract for the past 5 years out of nearly 200 and can't handle it , it's simple really Toitu te Tiriti , honor the founding document of this country by law Te Tiriti O Waitangi or is honor beyond the ACT Party , good name for the party full of actors

[@Rowanfbird]

Bleeting sheep maori

[@Gumpmachine1]

@@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadass who’s interpretation of those “3 simple articles”? I suggest Apirana Ngatai dissertation as our start point

[@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadass]

what interpretations the legal document is the Maori version and its pretty clear and straight forward , I mean Queen Elizabeth and her team of advisors and lawyers and her son King of the Commenwealth they understood it and honored te Tiriti O Waitangi because they knew Maori were right , but I guess honor is beyond some people especially those that don't realise when they come from the most privalaged group of people on the planet

[@AmeliaRosehe1]

The Hori from Epsom 😂

[@AmeliaRosehe1]

The Hori from Epsom 😅

[@JohnMiller-zz3yg]

Still alot of blah blah from Seymour Your bill is getting less positive attention than the haka from the International media 😂😂😂

[@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadass]

hahaha funny yall calling people names and stuff for disrespecting parliament when this fool got stood down for disrespecting parliament

[@logicalanswer3529]

Sit down tiko.

[@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadass]

how dumb do yall think Maori are , it says government will take control and the crown will respect our culture and rights , thats 2 seperate entities , have some honor and honor the founding document because if you don't then why should we honor anything you put forward

[@rebeccabriggs2982]

Not dumb at all. The Chiefs speeches were recorded before signing... they knew exactly what cedeing sovereignty meant... then they signed.

[@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadass]

lady I was talking about the treaties princepal bill , keep up

[@rebeccabriggs2982]

@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadass yeah but I'm saying the original is being breached... sovereignty was ceded so all the claims need looking at because theres probably funds and lands that need returning. As for the Treaty Principles that's to honour EQUALLY all New Zealanders... no racist special treatment or benefits.

[@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadass]

what racist special treatment only people who got special treatment when I was growing up was Pakeha now the shoe is on the other foot you wanna cry about equality , what can a man from the most privalaged group of people on the planet ( white males ) teach us about Equality , also the reperations are between Maori and Crown nothing to do with New Zealanders , honor our countries found document Te Tiriti O Waitangi the maori version , the legal founding document recognised and acknowledged by Queen Elizabeth 2019 , or his honor beyond your people

[@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadass]

@@rebeccabriggs2982 And for your information I'm from Te Paatu we never signed he Whakaputanga is is my founding document your Government still owes my people for letting you travel through our land on your roads

[@thechauffeurboi6154]

Is the act party seriously this sad to post this at 9:30pm on Christmas Eve?

[@gypsyroma9574]

why is it sad???

[@thechauffeurboi6154]

@gypsyroma9574 can't they have a break from posting this stuff? The holidays is a time to have a break from politics, come back to it in January

[@gypsyroma9574]

@@thechauffeurboi6154 I understand what you are saying but I like that some politicians continue the holiday season,what I would like to take a break is horrible unexcusable crime,harm robbery etc that effects so many more then political expression,have a wonderful Christmas🤗🐾

[@Tripl3Thr33Productions]

The only sad act here is your comment

[@thechauffeurboi6154]

@Tripl3Thr33Productions what does that even mean?

[@Ironian-kd6]

Wow, Christmas Eve really act. This is sad.

[@vvwalker7261]

Er, don't watch it then

[@Yeahright666-]

This is great

[@Ironian-kd6]

Reply on Christmas morning, come on, get a life. That's it from me cause I have one.

[@Quentin-br5kl]

If you want to help people in NEED skip the division and just help PEOPLE IN NEED ie,THREE BILLION TO LANDLORDS David Seymour you MUPPET

[@Gumpmachine1]

It was their money in the first place

[@Quentin-br5kl]

@Gumpmachine1 off the mark m8 the point is people in NEED not the renter's money

[@Gumpmachine1]

@@Quentin-br5kl no end to people in need, that argument goes on forever and we’d never do anything

[@Quentin-br5kl]

@Gumpmachine1 so what's Seymour on about?more teko flowing from his lips

[@Quentin-br5kl]

@@Gumpmachine1 ohh that's right as Seymour quoted "I want universal equality, some have and some have not