You Were Wrong About Aptera: Why Aptera is About to Change the Electric Car Game Forever

[@LarryRichelli]

Aptera is a motorcycle, actually a tricycle but not a car. Also, It sure is taking it's time to come to market even though if you listen to fans, it's already here.

[@tsubadaikhan6332]

I'm an Aptera Fan. You are correct though - Like Fusion Power or Graphene *enter wish here* , it always seems just a year away. For years I have thought this is the true future of urban transportation. Not a 4 ton replica of a Chevy Suburban. And I live in a city that has 260 days worth of sun a year, so it would suit me.

[@ZipZoomZip]

How many EVs have you brought to market in the same timeframe? Or, do you not have any grasp of the complexities involved?

[@mikeohawk95]

I’m supporting aptera,even as I’ve been requesting solar and wind enengy built in to cars for years, our means to enengy ourselves aswell as mix of both drivers and autonomy, in each vehicle!!

[@johnjakson444]

Um physics say you cannot introduce wind power to any electric car, the turbine would slow down the car while in motion.

[@mikeohawk95]

@@johnjakson444 unles you build it compact, like on the top of soem van models + vents and ducts internal along the sde of the car which air flows through, and tight space makes the internal fans spin sast and thus high wind power intake both stationary and whle moving, with mass wind g's when moving, and renewiable enegy 7 plug/craging places can distribute excess power to nearby cars andsmart roadways thus mor eenegy for the electrical grid and over time end the enegy chrisis

[@Barskor1]

The curb weight of the Aptera EV is estimated to be around 1,800 pounds (815 kg). The vehicle's lightweight design is achieved through the use of composite materials, which help reduce its overall weight and improve its energy efficiency. The curb weight of a Tesla Model 3 ranges from approximately 3,500 to 4,065 pounds (1,588 to 1,850 kg).

[@TTTzzzz]

But why must it take so much space. The thing is enormous and only seats 2!

[@Barskor1]

@@TTTzzzz Enormous? People do want storage and aerodynamics if you are ok with it being a brick that you can only fit two people an a purse into yes it can be much smaller.

[@TTTzzzz]

@@Barskor1 Why are the front wheels sticking out? For fun?

[@Barskor1]

@@TTTzzzz Average car width is 5.8 feet Aptera is 7.3 IRC it is for stability having 3 wheels rather than 4

[@TTTzzzz]

@@Barskor1 Better to have four wheels then.

[@farmerbold1144]

I got tired of waiting, so I purchased a different EV. But I still like the idea of the Aptera. 😃

[@glennzajic7318]

I think the 40+ KWH battery model will weigh in at around 2,200 lbs.

[@ronfarnsworth7074]

I bet your close.

[@b.robinson206]

Correction: Because of the composite body, heating it with a resistive heater will impact winter driving range minimally.

[@billsmith5960]

The body is like a thermos. I know it's a fact because Chris told me so. He's right on all of his claims.

[@netscrooge]

I'm a huge Aptera fan, but "minimally" sounds unrealistic to me.

[@billsmith5960]

@@netscrooge - It's realistic. The complete Pi2 comes out tomorrow and within 3 months, to production.

[@netscrooge]

@@billsmith5960 You are sooooo funny!!!

[@bertrandp2977]

@@billsmith5960At least he studied the issue, while you have not, but still want to post sarcasms. Nevertheless you are right, sometimes a grain of salt is sometimes needed on Chris claims. The cool part is that we should know much more this coming year when Product Intent rubber hits the ground.

[@robertsmart5600]

Hub motors are bad because they increase the un-sprung weight giving a rough ride and are likely to cause damage to the motors. An efficient center mounted motor with shafts to the wheels is more efficient and makes changing a wheel easier. The benefit of solar cells is when the vehicle is parked. Solar cells integrated with the bodywork can supply 700 watts of continuous power, good for up to 40 miles of range per day, according to Aptera. 5 days = 200 miles.

[@tommiethompson6539]

While I've been on the Aptera AWD model waiting list for about 2 years and I understand that things do change over time, without an AWD model in the future, I don't think that I will be buying one. I don't see why Aptera could not use a Hub Motor in the back wheel to get AWD. Yes, I have a FWD Ioniq and get 50 MPG, The AWD Aptera was appealing. I understand that the supplier could not meet the numbers required to use 3 motor per car, but 1 motor should have been doable, especially as not every Aptera owner would want AWD. I hope that Aptera can offer AWD in the future, after initial production. If it were available right now, I would love to upgrade my Ioniq to AWD with rear wheel Hub motors and a larger battery pack, I've seen it where people have been working on it and promising it, but like the Aptera itself, nothing yet!

[@billsmith5960]

The AWD version will come out soon. Steve told me.

[@Kt0101]

You can think of it like this, the producer of the hub motor is a startup as well and Aptera would have been asking 3 times X number of Aptera. With the amount of orders that would have been extremely hard for them. Now them switching to a motor already in production and a good amount of their preorders being okay with the change lowers the burden on the hub motor supplier between less orders and only one hub per aptera so it’s much more realistic for them to make the AWD now

[@billsmith5960]

@@Kt0101 - The hub motor manufacturer wanted Aptera to pay for 20K units up front. It's right in the SEC filing. Soon after that was made public, Aptera went another route.

[@greghelton4668]

Hub motors have issues of their own. For one, the motor is subjected to significant direct jolts. They will require liquid cooling that will be prone to reliability issues. The power drivers will be more complicated. Taking a more conventional approach makes sense to reduce risks.

[@johnjakson444]

The Carver EV (RIP) once featured a gas engine but when the company came back it went all electric, but it was never particularly aerodynamic. Now I wonder what an Aptera with a gas engine would have in range due to its shape, perhaps even 200mpg.

[@thesoundsmith]

I'd LOVE to see this vehicle go into actual PRODUCTION, at this point, i start to suspect a scam. A LOT of hype, and by now, there SHOULD be a solid delivery date. I hope i'm wrong and DO wish the BEST for this machine. I WAS on their side - WAS i wrong? Delivery date, please...

[@nelson1220]

Iv'e been watching Atera since the first bankruptcy, and I wonder if there are going to be a car that can be bought? UI seems everytime good information comes out, the bad follows. Was hub motors, now one, solar panels everywhere, not so effective, different manufacturing of bodies out of business. When are the $10,000 investors not including the cost of a cr, going to wonder if it is a good investment. and try to get whatever money is left, if the can. Rember, Elio, Sparrow, Sinclair ?

[@tellucas]

If it has AC then they should do the heat pump as 90% of the components you need are already present with the AC system.

[@wickedPrints3256]

What is the top speed? How quick to 60 mph? Doesn't look very safe. How much to insure one? What would it cost to replace parts in the event of a fender bender? How quickly would the replacement parts be available?

[@pangea1now]

Top speed is listed as 110mph, I think it's software limited for safety. The acceleration is 0-60mph in 5.5 seconds or less depending on which version you get. Insurance and registration is cheaper than cars because it falls under motorcycle laws. Some states require a motorcycle license to drive Aptera, most do not require a motorcycle license to drive Aptera. Aptera is a right to repair company. This means it will be cheaper to repair than most if not any car company out there. They give you the full prints for the car and you can even manufacture parts yourself if you had the means to. Most parts should be relatively easy to do yourself, some parts would require someone to be called in. That mostly involves things like the battery modules because of the unique dangers of working on EV batteries. Replacement parts timing is unknown and will probably only improve as they scale the company capacity up. Since it's a right to repair company there's a chance other companies will start manufacturing parts that will work interchangeably with Aptera parts.

[@charlesbeane8795]

@@pangea1now It's ALL unknown. You' re quoting their advertising. Advertising isn't the same as reality.

[@bertrandp2977]

@@charlesbeane8795 haha, I was going to suggest you make a bit of research yourself for all these questions, but you were actually posted loaded questions. Well, you are right, we do not have validation yet but we should in the coming year. So stay tuned and we may have some real answers for you. In the meantime, thank you for your contribution.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@pangea1now How do you know how much insurance is if none have been sold? Most likely the insurance will be high due to likely total write off in a minor accident.

[@DougWedel-wj2jl]

If I towed a trailer that had solar panels, how long would the trailer need to be to generate all its power from the solar panels?

[@stix2you]

In the modern world, we're constantly bombarded with information that prioritizes quick, emotionally charged reactions over deep thought. This creates a tendency toward reactive, black-and-white thinking, as we're drawn to the latest sensational headline or meme, often without fully understanding the underlying complexity. This is why concepts like Tesla's robotaxi or android servant gain so much attention, despite being poorly thought out-they cater to our desire for flashy, surface-level ideas. In contrast, Aptera's multifaceted, well-considered design risks being overlooked because its genius lies in nuanced details that are easily missed in today’s reactive, shallow thinking.

[@aussieideasman8498]

It's still in the thinking phase. One of the most rational thoughts ever is believe it when you see it. Aptera fabouys are gullible fools crossing bridges before they reach them. That's black and white.

[@billsmith5960]

This is why Aptera is so much better than Tesla. Tesla is not innovative and has no good ideas. Even Space X is pretty bad. This is why having Chris and Steve shows what real work does and brand new ideas. With the Aptera coming out in 8 months, it'll show the the weakness of Tesla. I pulled all of my Tesla stock and going to dump all of my savings into Aptera. It's going to go to the moon.

[@aussieideasman8498]

@@billsmith5960 I'm sure I wrote to stix on this thread (as well as on the other). Oh well, did you see the 20 Robotaxi's at the Tesla event? And did you see SpaceX land a rocket right back from where it left? Just saying.

[@billsmith5960]

@@aussieideasman8498 - I just will still mention the 200 faulty transmissions that Elon knew were faulty and released anyway. Plus, the horrible financial position Tesla was in at the time. Everything else he did and including the robotaxi and SpaceX, mean nothing. Apter is way better. I did my due diligence. For example, did you see the bink? It's just like an Italian supercar. Then Tesla refuses to use the skin cooling because they would have to pay Aptera. Same for the solar panels. Just give me a day and I'll come up with some more things as to why Chris (he started 9 super successful companies) and Steve (he has started a number of them too), way outpaces anything Musk can do.

[@charlesbeane8795]

@@billsmith5960 Bill's evil twin!!!

[@cmw3737]

Hearing that the design of Tesla's robotaxi was primarily driven by efficiency it makes we wonder if Aptera could license FSD and have these as taxis. A far larger market than the hobbyist who would buy one for personal use.

[@garyculver4345]

The front wheels make the overall vehicle too freaking wide. Per Perplexity: The Aptera has an exceptionally wide body, measuring 88 inches (2235 mm) at its widest point with the wheel covers installed ... Its width exceeds that of many large trucks and SUVs

[@bearlemley]

The think about a Tesla is that they are the safest car in the world. I bought one. I really don’t car if it is electric. I bought it because of the test drive. I wanted to test drive it because it was the safest car for my family. With hub motors, I’ll bet un-sprung weight will be high relative to the vehicle mass. Suspension will have to be beefy for such a motorcycle like car. Watch out for potholes with skinny tires.

[@johnpoldo8817]

No hub motors in LE.

[@nickwinn7812]

Aptera have been promising an awful lot for a very long time. Meanwhile others are making and selling cars in the real world, which meet the needs of their owners. Actions speak louder than words.

[@Bionic9998]

You haven’t paid attention to what’s happening then. Aptera may have big hopes and promises but they have also been quite transparent about their progress and setbacks. They’re building the PI vehicles now for safety testing and validation of production parts. That is only 1 major step away from Launch Edition production. Some of these other companies that are making and selling rushed timeline products are having issues with production or getting customers.

[@charlesbeane8795]

@@Bionic9998 Nah I think Nick is pretty much correct.

[@greghelton4668]

@@charlesbeane8795you don’t understand how difficult it is to manufacture something as complicated as a car. That includes not only the vehicle but also things like the supply chain, manufacturing process, materials, sales channels, etc. success is not guaranteed but Aptera is certainly spending a lot of brain power to figure these things out.

[@farmerbold1144]

Exactly!

[@travisjazzbo3490]

I didnt watch this but I understand this is coming out at $35 to $40K, can only hold 2 people 1 in front of the other, can't drive in much significant weather, and can't be as safe as most vehicles, likely has slower speed pick up, very low utility use... BUT, it is efficient. I am not sure I understand why this would be popular just for that.

[@gregkelmis2435]

The founders of the company made many videos in factory stuff Sandy Monroe has done interviews and as a consultant for them and he’s done many articles on them look up Sandy Monroe podcast you’ll have more facts and you want and yes the company may or may not go broke but they’re technology sound after all it’s been 44 years going on 45 years since the first build a body for this vehicle.

[@mikeohawk95]

How could they do this, reject a solar enegy electric car, its clean fir the environment, and several materials which increase solar input and recharge times, its well due to inefficiency discrimination that it in decline

[@charlesbeane8795]

No one rejects a solar car, they just reject this one. Investor beware.

[@mikeohawk95]

@@charlesbeane8795 , to just reject the inconformist, and that’s wrong, teh right thing to do is endorse all inconformists out there of just about anything and our world would heal in more ways then one

[@jonathancardy9941]

I get that a more efficient vehicle would do more with the same area of solar panels. But the Aptera achieves that efficiency partly by being small. The true comparison would be an Aptera v other EVs with the same proportion of their surface being covered in solar panels.

[@soaringeagle]

🎉 it has nothing to do with just being the surface area of the car being covered. The car is a marvel of engineering and aerodynamics and composite design, so it’s requires far less energy than any other EV, even without the solar

[@jonathancardy9941]

@@soaringeagle There is a pretty direct link between the area covered by solar panels and the output of those panels. As I said I get that efficiency makes a difference here, and as I added being small also helps. But my point still stands, a bigger car such as a family car would simply have more area you could cover with solar panels. It isn't just the Aptera that could usefully have panels.

[@soaringeagle]

@@jonathancardy9941 yes but the difference is no matter how much more energy you get from the panels you’re still not going to have the same efficiency the efficiency is what makes it feasible a heavy big car that’s not aerial dynamic will never get the efficiency to make it feasible to get more than 5 miles a day out of solar don’t you understand thatyou can only get 50 miles a day out of solar when you require so much less energy to run the car

[@soaringeagle]

@@jonathancardy9941 and this is not exactly a small car. It’s much longer than than you would think it’s got a lot of surface area for solar.

[@jonathancardy9941]

@@soaringeagle Yes it is long, but it really tapers at the back. Obviously it needs much more space than my Nissan Micra would, but does it have more surface exposed to Sunlight? Not sure. A Tesla mark 3 or pretty much any four door car designed to comfortably fit five adults would have more surface area, much more.

[@richardshultz6834]

Never going to happen!!! Been working on hub motors for ten years then like a bolt from the blue, just buy an off the shelf motor.

[@nomercy4521]

They weren't working on hub motors, they were working with another company to purchase hub motors.

[@billsmith5960]

The decided to change that whole thing because the hub motor company wanted Aptera to pay for 20K units up front (as per the SEC filing). All of a sudden, hub motors were out.

[@bertrandp2977]

4 years, not 10. Faking numbers weaken your point. And like mentioned above, they had an external supplier and did not develop their own. Also mentioned above, upfront cost was an issue. Finally, dropping IWM in the Launch Edition reduces risk significantly. Look what happened at other manufacturers (Lordstown anf LightYear) that were planning to use the same IWM supplier.

[@filhodarosa7512]

Needs at least a third seat

[@bcranes1]

Better off using the solar panels to climate control the interior when off.

[@inomad1313]

They are working on having the option to turn the climate control on and off from the app. Use the solar however you like.

[@8ettieP46e]

the front wheels being outside the body... its gonna get clipped. F150 is 80in, Silverado is 81in, this baby is 88in wide.

[@alanseymour1252]

Distracting stock videos when graphs are needed.

[@kindpanda1075]

They won't change crap as long as they continue to only have resistive heating... Well, at least no in the winter or cooler climates. That vehicle won't be reasonable to drive in the cold.

[@rovert1284]

Aptera will only ever be a niche product. Like the Cyber Truck. Not ever envisaged as mass market vehicles. Interesting engineering. If they ever make it to production they will sell what they can produce.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Take a look at CyberTruck volume because it is not a niche product. Currently, Tesla is selling more of these than Ford & GM for all pickup trucks, gas and electric. But, I don’t know if CT volume sales are sustainable long term.

[@Chitown388]

aptera is about efficiency. it's deeply disappointing that aptera deprioritize the biggest efficiency issue (heating and cooling) by deprioritizing the heat pump.

[@billsmith5960]

Let's not forget the hub motors (which are very efficient) and that skin cooling.

[@bertrandp2977]

Need to start production for shipping sooner rather than later for company viability. Perfection can sometimes be the enemy of the good. You can wait for a further optimized version. I won’t as the Launch Edition will already be the most efficient vehicle if it reaches the market next year.

[@Chitown388]

@@bertrandp2977 perfection is squeezing for a couple more percent of efficiency. Without the heat pump, it can mean 30% less efficient. In my cold region of the world, it can mean 50% less efficient. Of course, if adding the heat pump is such a tremendous effort that it could mean the demise of Aptera, then no heat pump it is.

[@bertrandp2977]

@@Chitown388I do not disagree with you that a heat pump is a desirable feature in particular for cold climate. I also miss the heating seat as it is an efficient way to stay warm without using too much energy. Pls note that the carbon fiber shell is a much better insulator than metal panels. I won’t call the cabin a thermos like some do, but I am optimistic it will be quite helpful. I also miss the hub motors and the skin cooling for extra efficiency. We will have to wait for a second generation. By then lighter batteries and better solar cell might be available…

[@davidmccarthy6061]

Still expecting this to be a low sales sunny Sunday toy like the Slingshot. Probably good for sitting most of the time in Phoenix and then driving on a jaunt. Some real world testing will show how it does in a Chicago blizzard.

[@Padygy]

idk, im not so happy about aptera moving away from hub motors. and no heat pipe :(

[@patriot9455]

I like the Aptera, for a passenger vehicle. It can carry 2 to 4 people with high energy efficiency. The concept of a three wheeled car also adds efficiency in a reduced rolling resistance by only needing 3 tires. For simple passenger transport it seems very good. It may be applicable to compare it to other sedans and small SUV style vehicles. The concept in a pickup is not passenger transport, but carrying various loads, passengers and drivers n the cab are not where a pickup is focused. The shape of an open bed vehicle ruins aerodynamic efficiency, but is required in order for a variety of loads to be transported, so using the F-150 for comparison is a false and deception, confusing the two purposes and not a valid comparison. Can the Aptera carry a months worth of non perishable food, hard to imagine. Can an "F-150" or any other open bed 1/2 to full ton pickup do that, absolutely. In my ideal "world" I would have an Aptera and a pickup truck. If I could only have one or the other, it would be the pickup, for the fact that a crew cab pickup can carry all the people an Aptera can, but can carry supplies as well. Both would be nice, but, if there was a reason you could only have one vehicle, the one that can do more jobs wins. If Aptera could make a cargo van, it might have a different outcome.

[@johnpoldo8817]

No, it only carries 2 people. We don’t know if they will expand capacity.

[@patriot9455]

@@johnpoldo8817 How about carrying three bags of groceries home behind the seats

[@johnpoldo8817]

@@patriot9455 Yes, there is ample room for over 10 bags of groceries.

[@patriot9455]

@@johnpoldo8817 That is good to know for an urban vehicle, or else it is not much more than a motorcycle you can drive in the rain

[@johnpoldo8817]

@@patriot9455 One of the reasons I have an Aptera reservation and invested in the company is it looks like George Jetson’s vehicle and I probably won’t get any closer in my lifetime.

[@kllos726]

Thanks!

[@allencrider]

It will never actually go into production. Therefore, solar panels on a car accommodates the phenomen of *real enough for wishful thinking* without actually being productive.

[@rjbjr]

This car may get you around a 15 minute designed community proposed by the WEF, if the sun always shines a few hours before you want to use it. An electric city bus or walking can serve the same purpose without taking up all that extra parking space, and be a lot cheaper to use. Don't forget the insurance, maintenance, garaging, and the fact that solar panels are about 5% efficient on a cloudy day verses being about 20% efficient at noon time on a sunny day. Very few of us live in a near perfect world like Southern California or Las Vegas. Toyota is losing money in its EV vehicle sales, and will be concentrating on less efficient hybrids that can be driving anywhere in the world for the next few years. The Aptera is a toy for collectors and technocrats right now. Battery efficiency and design is changing everything about how an EV can be used. A large EV battery can supply your house with additional power during peak hours and be charged by solar panels on or next to your house, since people only drive an average of 30 miles a day.

[@billsmith5960]

Aptera has a 1000 mile range and 40 miles per day on solar. Never need to plug it in and maintenance will be virtually free because of the right to repair. Since it's a motorcycle, insurance is dirt cheap. As for Toyota, they don't know what they are doing and will be out of business soon. Aptera is a game changer and will transform the car industry. Do like Aptera or die out as a company.

[@inomad1313]

Like about 45% of the people in the U.S., I do not live where public transport is readily available. Given my current situation I drive less than 20 miles per day on any given day work day. Once a week I make a 50 mile trip to visit with friends. A round trip of 100 miles, mostly highway, half of which has rolling hills where regenerative break will balance much of the uphill climbs. My total driving distance over a week is between 200 and 250 miles. I have a 20amp outlet readily available at my home location for overnight charging if I need it. Parking at my home has my vehicle faces north/south and is in full sun during peak charging hours. Parking at my work place has options of north/south or east/west and all of it is in full sun all day. I’ve done the calculations for my area and I would receive, on average, between 20 (winter) and thirty (summer) miles per day charging from the solar on the Aptera. By my calculations, I might only have to charge overnight at home two or maybe three times a year or for a few hours more often, but it’s available at any point. I would only need to use public charging if I travel further than 200 miles from home. On the longer tips I’ve made in the past I’ve traveled primarily on interstate highways where charging is easily within the 400 mile range of the Aptera given that they are set up for vehicles like the Tesla that get between 300 and 400 miles per charge. That said, I rarely travel more than 250 miles between stops when traveling across country in my ICE vehicle which means I could keep the Aptera between 20 and 80 percent charged which is the fastest charging range of any battery and still make the same trips with only slightly longer travel times. And at least one of those stops will be for refueling myself, so I could charge to 100% at least once on longer trips In the last two decades I’ve rarely had more than two people in my vehicle at one time, but each time other transportation options were available. The Aptera is not a toy to me. It’s a dream that I get to watch come true step by step. While the Aptera might not sound like a good idea for you and your situation, it is an excellent option for a great many people, like myself, in the US.

[@johnhayes3314]

“Southern California or La Vegas”? Maybe look at a world map and realize just how massive the Earth’s sun belt is.

[@rjbjr]

@@johnhayes3314 How many people, say in Mississippi or Lybia, are going to want to buy an expensive Aptera right now?

[@rjbjr]

@@inomad1313 Your desire for freedom comes at a cost. You know what the Buddha says about desire.

[@PeaceChanel]

Thank You Everybody for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 ✌ ☮ ❤

[@BillBadMule123]

I would Love to have one but its way out of my price range ? $18K would be the most I could afford

[@chrisg8995]

Aptera has been about to change the game for what, 7 years?

[@bertrandp2977]

5 years. One more is needed for validation and reaching production. That is not unreasonable. Compare to other vehicle manufacturers… And by all means, go ahead if you think you can do better and faster. Or send money to make it happen faster. Thx.

[@SuperUbuntudude]

[@Boris_Chang]

Any crash test data available yet?

[@charlesbeane8795]

Well a BMW took the front wheel one of the Prototypes. Does that count?

[@d.e.7467]

The four Product Intent (PI1-4) vehicles are being assembled now. PI4 should be the final model that will activate factory production. I PI3 will be the crash test model. If you go to the website, I think that they recall when the one piece cabin withstood some impressive abuse. Remember, it's an autocycle. It's insured and treated by state DMVs as a motorcycle. Aptera is going a few steps further by installing seat belts, airbags , a/c, heater, and other automobile features. I'd add that this has never been done before and they want it to be done right. That takes time and patience especially for those of us who has one on order.

[@robertkubrick3738]

It's not a car, it doesn't have to pass a crash test. Would you crash test it if you didn't have to?

[@mikadavies660]

I can't see Aptera EVER getting into selling around the world. Two plus years ago.... it was groundbreaking and cheap. However, now in 2025 it is already an expensive two seater! Why would anyone bother buying one when there are cheap four seater cars at cheaper prices. Efficiency aside, the Aptera is already expensive and you can't even buy one. It's already dead in the water.

[@Kt0101]

Solar and aesthetics

[@nomercy4521]

It will be the cheapest electric vehicle you can buy, by quite a large amount. But also, people buy 2 seaters all the time, like the Miata, Supra, etc.

[@nickwinn7812]

@@nomercy4521 The cheapest I can buy? Really? LOL

[@mikadavies660]

@@nomercy4521 Sorry your wrong.... Estimated at $25,000... Estimated as it is not for sale. Yet we can already buy 4 seater BEVs in Europe for $20,000. We have no government hand outs like in America and we can already buy cheaper. I placed my deposit on an Aptera in 2021 based on the BS that it would be in production by 2022 and for sale worldwide by 2023....!! Where is it???

[@nomercy4521]

@@mikadavies660 All we can go off of is their current sale estimates, unless you have a more accurate way of estimating what they would sell at. What BEV's can you buy at $20K without subsidies? As far as where is it? It's a start up, this is the ride you signed up for. It's not unlikely they don't make it to production, like the Elio, or go bankrupt shortly after starting production like Fisker. It's tough starting a business, especially vehicles.

[@veritas6466]

The most wrong thing about Aptera, is the CEO. For years he has been promising customers will be taking delivery, "By the end of the year". Without a $60m infusion we won't be hearing his BS much longer.

[@Errr717]

I'm rooting for Aptera to succeed. Their facility is just 7 miles north of where I live.

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🤗😎PROGRESS 👏👏👏🧐⚡️⚡️⚡️😊

[@kpop863]

30k is a stretch for that vehicle

[@bertrandp2977]

It’s actually cheap. I would pay up to 40K myself. TOC over its life will be lower than other vehicles. I have also invested in solar and heat pump for my home and they actually pay for themselves overtime, while helping to preserve the planet for future generations.

[@kpop863]

@@bertrandp2977 you dont know that. solar panels are not guaranteed for life of vehicle. the motors are new and not vetted to work for life of the vehicle. the batteries themselves are not guaranteed for life of the vehicle. the parts made to make the vehicle is not even worth half the price. 40k you are insane. this is all new and unproven tech.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Launch price will be higher than estimate. Have you ever seen an EV launched at original estimate? I’ll pay more than $30K.

[@alifelesordinary]

Show me don't tell me... so tired of hearing about this company. They seem more like vapor then a real product. Get wrecked!

[@garydmercer]

Not very nice! I’m an investor and have one on order. Was told I’ll receive mine in 2026. I did my homework and know my risk investing in this company. It’s happening.

[@alifelesordinary]

@@garydmercer good luck

[@pangea1now]

The Aptera group has not been meeting deadlines. They have been very open to what is going on. I would rather have a transparent company that is working towards a good final product, and showing the progress, then a company that meets deadlines and compromises the product to the point it becomes worthless. Aptera has made a lot of progress and will hit the market. It's going to turn heads.

[@alifelesordinary]

@@pangea1now We'll see.

[@duketogo2616]

Every 3 wheeled efficient vehicle has been vaporware.

[@dutchy1121]

Simple, figure out how to get the energy out of the gasoline and use it to power an electric motor. Oh wait not so simple after all.

[@nomercy4521]

No, that is pretty simple. BYD is doing that for their new electric truck.

[@churblefurbles]

Its a covered motocycle, not enough.

[@polok890]

My e bike uses 1/5 a hp

[@freddyhollingsworth5945]

Looks deadly, the rear of the car(Aptera) will pierce through the windshields of cars that rear end it and huge law suits from a deadly design that decapitates?

[@johnhayes3314]

AI word salad

[@SVW1976]

They need to make a gas and hybrid versions as well. But in all honesty. Its over for these clowns. 😂

[@robertkubrick3738]

NOT A CAR. YOU CAN'T REGISTER IT AS A CAR, LAST I HEARD.

[@apterachallenge]

Yep, so cheaper to register, but drives like a car. What's not to like?

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@apterachallenge The G forces killing you when you are hit by a tesla.

[@apterachallenge]

@@robertkubrick3738 It has the same carbon-fibre safety cell as a McLaren or Ferrari. But I'm sure the Tesla fanboys won't appreciate you dissing their FSD-driven "never crash" wundermobile.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@apterachallenge But it doesn't have the mass. You can't repeal the laws of physics.

[@ItsElectric-hf2dt]

With the Robo-cab about to launch in a year or two, Aptera will be dead before it is ever released.

[@apterachallenge]

Aptera will beat the Cybercab to production, and won't compete directly with the Cybercab because the Cybercab won't have a steering wheel, so won't sell to the public, only to investors and taxi operators, and only in areas where it is legal to operate, which won't be everywhere at first.

[@grig7173]

Useless in the Colorado mountains in the winter

[@viciousstarfish]

" gonna change the game "... thats proof of BS hype that will not secure any market shares and disappear.

[@mikenovak5226]

Comparing cars U can buy to a Aptera that will never be made. What's your point. That Teslas can be bought and Aptera is a a black hole to throw money down.

[@billsmith5960]

Aptera comes out in 3-8 months. So, it's a reality. Tesla is a dream.

[@Kt0101]

And what exactly makes you think Aptera will never be made? People thought the same thing about Tesla but here it is, not to say that’s why Aptera will be successful but I would like to hear what insight you could share about why Aptera will “never be made”

[@billsmith5960]

@@Kt0101 - I said, "Aptera comes out in 3-8 months. So, it's a reality." You said, "And what exactly makes you think Aptera will never be made?" I'm confused.

[@hammerdon1962]

I was really high on Aptera. Then I realized they're Outsourcing nearly every part. So basically zero control over the supply chain.

[@Kt0101]

@@billsmith5960 I wasn’t replying to you, I was replying to the person you replied to

[@litestuffllc7249]

Oh I am wrong - so Aptera is going to have production going to originall reservation holders this week? This Month? Aptera is already 3 years late. They can't produce 1 car a week- fake shit.

[@aftonline]

Google is your friend. You don't need to ask questions like this week, this month. In 10 seconds you could find out that Aptera is planning to go into production in 2025. If you have been following Aptera as I have, you would know that it's been a long journey - but every journey has an end. Let's just wait and see what happens instead of dashing off nasty comments with no proof.

[@litestuffllc7249]

@@aftonline crap just like every other lie they've had over the years- January 2025? NO of course not, July; no. December 2025? On a fool believes Aptera.

[@litestuffllc7249]

@@aftonline crap just like every other lie they've had over the years- January 2025? NO of course not, July; no. December 2025? On a fool believes Aptera. Oh and how many a month? 3? 5? 1000? don't hold your breath; you'd be dead waiting.

[@billsmith5960]

Aptera is going into production 3-8 months. It's a fact.

[@litestuffllc7249]

@@billsmith5960 I bet they won't. They certainly would have to have staff in training to make them; where are the videos on that?; parts supplies stacked up ready to assemble, tooling; factories ..ooops they don't have any. So Bill keep dreaming this is nothing but a bunch that has been hoping for a big Elon Musk type investor to make them rich; oh and it is a motorcycle not a car in the USA requring a motorcycle endorsement and helmet to drive legally on the street. Motorcycles require a center mounted headlight about 3ft from the ground - the current design doesn't have that so it isn't legal either. See the Electramechanica Solo - it has such a light- because it is required by law. You aren't too smart are you?

[@glasperlinspiel]

A lot of this plagiarized

[@guru2899]

Hahaha dead on arrival.

[@TTTzzzz]

The car is a waste of space.

[@Nickeltoe77]

Great point 🤷🏻‍♂️🤔

[@aussieideasman8498]

Lies.

[@stix2you]

Which part?

[@gmv0553]

Your lies seem to never end!

[@gmv0553]

Your lies seem to never end!

[@aussieideasman8498]

@@stix2you When I have a quiet hour I will list them. Are you ready to refute as many as you think are wrong? On the way shopping right now.

[@aussieideasman8498]

@@gmv0553 Your refuting never begins, and I don't just seem it - it's a fact. Seeming is for shallow thinkers - even morons can seem. I disregard you lot.

[@asgglass2709]

Will this car ever see the light of day, let alone compete with all the Chinese electric vehicle on the road and not mentioning the elephant in the room, Tesla?.

[@Kt0101]

There is a whole lot that goes into if Aptera will reach production but to answer your other questions… to answer both chinese Evs and Tesla in the same answer, there is a subset that doesn’t want to be associated with a Chinese ev or a Tesla (and by association Elon Musk) for whatever reason, not to mention the other things Aptera buys you into (solar, right to repair, etc.)

[@nomercy4521]

For me, for what is currently available, Aptera is very competitive with anything I could potentially buy. At least in theory. When and if they get to market, we'll have to see what they're actually like.

[@billsmith5960]

@@nomercy4521 - Elio is a much better option. 84 mpg and it's only $7,450. The EV version is $14,900. Way better than Aptera on what you can theoretically buy.

[@Boris_Chang]

Nice play on words.

[@hammerdon1962]

@@asgglass2709 they outsource everything. so I don't see them competing with anybody.