You Weren't Taught Properly

In this video I talk about my generation not being educated properly in English language skills. If your reading, writing, spelling or grammar isn't as good as it should be -- this video is for you.
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[@abdiasisgurey2502]

Yes

[@abdiasisgurey2502]

I want to learn instructor grammar and how to communicate

[@robertoarmstrong7317]

Thank you Jade!

[@NazidreckInDieTonne]

I'm German, so please be tolerant about my mistakes...at last I listend to a German teacher, and he told, that everybody has gaps, even he-self. I think it's the question how to manage those those gaps. Look, in former times in school my English had been very very bad, and now I'm able to give Englishteachers advices and write to them. Isn't that funny? I think practice is the answer to everything - you can't remember all those thousands of rules and vocabularies, but by trainings, by practical works you will be able to reache a satisfying level by by intuition.

[@hassanechetouane1092]

Oh, Jade. I had a teacher of violin who plays marvelously. I looked at him wondering how I could one day reach this level. He read my thought and then tell me, ''listen I am not satisfied whatever I do. Only the stupids are satisfied with themselves''. Life is a mixture of hell and paradise. We cannot reach paradise without crossing the hell.

[@victoralonsogarcia6944]

The story of the polarization between paradise and hell is exaggerated. Perception is the main problem. If you think of something as hell, you develop the feeling that a situation can be negative. If you think in terms of a positive-negative polarization You are not learning well. Doubting technique is the key and not focusing in terms of perception on the outcomes between paradise and hell while practising an academic subject or activity because it can cause you frustration to polarize in terms of negative and positive behaviours or methods or seeing if your learning goes wrong or bad. ->" We cannot get to paradise without going through hell" -> This phrase means focusing on the outcome and polarizing two states of achievement, instead of focusing on a system without states of perception (paradise-positive) (hell-negative) to reach a goal. The target is wrong, the phrase makes more sense saying: We develop a system or method to stay in the line or cycle of learning instead of paradise and hell. It sounds very polarized. Anything that has a strong goal is at risk of perceptual polarization in the way it views a particular learning.

[@geoffpogson1515]

What you're saying resonates with me, Jade. I'm a 72-year-old boomer, so came through the 11-plus system back in the '60s. Although I hated grammar school, I have to admit that it gave me a grounding in basic language skills. Some of the howlers I see in emails and letters these days leave me reeling with dismay. Just two examples: 'our' spelt 'are' in a letter from an estate agent; and 'I right' for 'I write' in a mail from a solicitor's office! Something's gone seriously wrong in England's schools. The only subject younger generations are better at is self-esteem.

[@hankpowell8288]

Thank you Jade! I'm 70 and had a Yale and Stanford education and also lived and still do half year in England, so I'm much aware of accents there, and the like. When I was very young I wolfed down lots of Victorian literature which helped me form the way I think linguistically. I still read a lot of older stuff and have always been amazed at how 17th-18th century educated people, who started with Greek and Latin, have a much broader AND CLEARER view of life through their interpretation of ENGLISH. I had a successful high-level business career (despite having majored in Philosophy) which required modern, briefly spoken sentences. Now that I'm retired and read a lot more I have perhaps reverted to the level of speech complexity I was used to in college in the late 60's. Younger people now complain about my more leisured and wordy means of expression. I'm speaking of similarly highly educated people in their mid-30's, and even more so with younger ones. In addition to the deterioration in educational expectations and activity by the learning institutions, I would ascribe the onslaught against expression as an outcome heavily influenced by the condensation of conversational time brought about by texting, tweeting and surfing the web. All of these activities demand or promote shorter attention spans and uber-brevity of verbal expression. I know we can't return to the leisure of the country house and languid times which allowed the likes of Laurence Sterne to compose lovely literature. And that not learning what a dangling participle is may mean a lifetime of unaware transgression which causes no pain in an environment of the unaware. Pommeling forward like this into click-speak, I saw the disfiguration of literary portrayal.

[@nioc00]

I can understand this so well! I had a boomer's education in English including grammar, spelling, study of several plays of Shakespeare and my own country's writers and poets. I studied French and Spanish to BA and Spanish to MA, so I have a good grasp of those grammars. But, I did a CELTA course a couple of years ago, and found out that my knowledge of English is really limited! When it came to the CELTA, I rapidly understood that I am not half as clever as I thought I was!

[@Latbirget]

Absolutely. I was educated in a UK comprehensive in the 1980s and we were never taught grammar. It was only when I went to secretarial college that I was taught grammar and even then only the basics, so I know where to put a comma and an apostrophe. You only have to read Daily Mail articles to guess that grammar is still not taught properly in our state schools.

[@juliejay5436]

That is terrifying!

[@BostonBobby1961]

As an American and someone who grew up in Massachusetts where this part of the USA is considered the best educated part of the USA, probably because of all the colleges and universities here, I always thought the UK had a much better education system than in my country.

[@Latbirget]

​@@BostonBobby1961 Pupils from private schools, clever ones who can get into the old grammar schools, and those from disadvantaged backgrounds who can get funding / scholarships, and those from the few good few good state schools will do ok. Otherwise on the whole the state school system has been on the decline since the 1970s.

[@BostonBobby1961]

@@Latbirget I guess both countries have more in common good or bad. Sad when we as a society doesn’t value education like we did at one time. It’s been said here in the USA if you graduated high school 60 years ago or further back you had a better education than 4 years of college today with a bachelors degree in a liberal arts program. My son who attended classes at Bunker Hill Community College in Boston and then transferred to Salem State University and got his BA in history, was going to go on and become a teacher. He changed course went to trade school and now he’s an apprentice electrician working towards his journeyman’s license and working along side a licensed electrician. He’s 27 years old. The average age in that profession is 57. Nobody wants to take a trade anymore. Now with the push for electric cars and an antiquated electrical grid, he will always be gainfully employed. He very much enjoyed Jade’s explanation of the language origins in Britain between the French and the Anglo Saxons. He has a passion for European history and world history in general.

[@Ballinout30]

Yup, Grammar is Underrated These Days.

[@BIGT537]

I went to school in the UK in the 80s and you are absolutely right. Came to try and learn foreign languages in my 20s and had absolutely no idea what grammar was and it is criminal that this happened. I teach now and have to be on my toes, many post grad students still have pretty ropey English skills. Thanks for your work.

[@nw8000]

I have felt this all my life! Thank you Jade

[@hollytyson8312]

I am so sooooooo glad I've seen this!!! Thankyou so much for this video x

[@xsez2]

Your videos are always insightful. I'm lovin' it with each new video

[@c.wildin1575]

I’m half Spanish and half English and I can truly understand where you’re coming from. When I was working in England some years ago, I came across many people who couldn’t spell correctly and made big mistakes. When ever I had a question about a specific word I found it easier looking it up in the dictionary after work. So I guess, I can relate. And I definitely don’t consider myself being the most knowledgeable person on earth.

[@timsummers870]

Indeed Jade, I can spot the same holes in my education. Thanks again for the video, I'm always learning from you.

[@joy39894]

This was so brave of you to vlog about this, Jade. Thank you. 🙏 I miss your smiles in your videos though. 💝🌱❤

[@abdulsamadfattani7616]

nicely dressed up ! thanks for your efforts to teach us.

[@sumankayal5932]

Nicely put!

[@OlgasBritishFells]

Thank you for this! I agree as I have other educational systems to compare with. Also, I am a big advocate for never stop learning.

[@drtttop]

To be honest, I am slightly shocked. I was taught English for my BA and Masters in a non-English speaking country and there were plenty of practical English language classes.

[@extanegautham8950]

native english speaker, english literature degree 1988 with honors, upper middle class educated family, and YET, i did not know much details in grammar until i taught ESL! blame the 60's revolution.

[@somegirls2002]

Your sentence structure is hideous. I do not believe you have a degree. It is not i it is I.

[@davidkasquare]

You are so correct, Jade! My native language is Swedish (I’m from Finland), and I studied the Swedish language and Nordic literature here at the university. I have quite exactly the same experience as you - one little course of grammar during 5-6 years, then a lot of language sociology, conversation and text analysis aso aso. I quite enjoyed my literature studies, but here, it really was a completely different subject. Having taught Swedish to foreigners for a few years now, I realise what HUGE gaps I have when it comes to even elementary Swedish grammar. I don’t even know my own language! And have been making so many mistakes because of that, since we’re just supposed to “hear it”. If we don’t, we have very little rules to fall back on. I’ve been quite fascinated having to really explore all the different sides of Swedish grammar, thinking of what to do in order to teach them as clearly as possible to my students. But - all this work I’ve had to do by myself. Thank you for addressing such important topics! You are ever growing on me 😊

[@herecomesthesun21]

Hi! I'm from Finland, too 😊. Do you mean that you studied Swedish in a Finnish university (not in England) and there was no grammar? That's interesting and a bit scary to hear. I haven't studied language at university level (I'm Finnish speaking), but I've always thought it's very important to know your own language properly. When I went to secondary school (yläaste) in the beginning of the 90's, our Finnish teacher really hammered basic grammar into our heads. I'm still thankful for her 😊. I'm interested to hear, when did you go to school and how was the grammar learning there? Also, I'm shocked to hear that English children are not being thaught their own grammar.

[@davidkasquare]

@@herecomesthesun21 I studied the Swedish language at Helsinki university in Swedish, in other words Swedish for native speakers. I studied to become a Swedish language teacher for Swedish speakers within the Swedish speaking schools in Finland, and as far as I can remember, we had one quite short course where we basically covered all Swedish grammar. I guess the thought was that we should have studied a lot of Swedish grammar in school and high school. The courses in those studies then mainly focused on other things, such as language history, dialects, sociology etc. My experience is that there is not such a strong emphasis on grammar within the Swedish language sphere, which is a shame, because I feel that many Swedish speakers actually know their grammar quite poorly - which was the case for myself, until I started teaching Swedish, and all of a sudden had to learn it. To be honest, it’s sometimes felt like learning a new language even … I think that learning the form and structure of the language - the grammar - is very important, and there should be a stronger focus on that. Perhaps they don’t focus on it because many people find it somehow boring, but I think the solution wouldn’t be to have less of it, but just to find ways of making it more interesting and rewarding. So yes, that’s my experience!

[@herecomesthesun21]

@@davidkasquare thanks for your reply! Yes I agree on the grammar, it's very important. I think also the Finnish side has gone more or less worse on teaching grammar since my school days. Grammar can be boring but it's so useful. My teacher motived us by being so insistent that grammar is very important and you just have to go through it and do it properly, there is now way around it. Also we had to repeat out loud all the different word forms in Finnish, as in inessiivi elatiivi illatiivi, addessiivi ablatiivi allatiivi etc. and know them by heart 😀. I'm glad you taught yourself grammar to be able to also teach it to your students!

[@davidkasquare]

@@herecomesthesun21 … I had to. 😀😮 And yes, as you can tell, we agree on the importance of grammar. Oh yes those ones … we did that too. During Finnish classes, we went through a lot of grammar actually - sometimes I feel I know more about Finnish grammar than Swedish grammar. Which is good, but also a shame, it should be important to know the grammar of your mother tongue really well. I wish they started focusing more on that. Thanks for your opinions and insights!

[@aucourant9998]

Like the hair, it really suits you. For the most beautiful language and phrasing, I would suggest reading Scott Fitzgerald.

[@lorenomenezesdasilveira]

Why didn't you entitle the video "We weren't taught properly"? But, yes, you're right, someone said, "without a solid foundation, you can't create anythig of value". And, I loved your new anglo-saxon view. 😍😊😉👌🌹🌹🌹

[@slyowusu99]

Jade is looking very well.

[@lilvegan2002]

I've been brushing up on my English the last two weeks and I, for one, agree with you. I could've not said it better some people who got into university think that they already know everything and it's so easy for them to say that because of their grade they can reduce you. Well that's occurred to me and I don't like some people's behavior

[@sillypuppy5940]

I remember being taught basic grammar in the late 70's, but as soon as high school came around the "art" of English was more favoured. It's "trendy teaching" at its worst. I found out about restrictive clauses and passive voice only 4 or 5 years ago - I don't remember hearing about these at school.

[@mycamuploads]

very nice jade

[@mackomare2544]

Much of what you said is also true for the teaching of mathematics which has also been watered-down over the years. Jade, I like watching your videos not just for your ideas but because you are very attractive :) I don't care that you don't smile - it shows honesty in emotions.

[@markdonovan1540]

This is absolutely true and I only realised this when I did a TESOL course in 2013. They would gjve us regular grammar tests, which I found very difficult. My best score was about 70% - on the first tests it was rarely more than 55%, whereas the Polish students scored over 95% consistently. I was shocked. I asked them why they had such an accurate understanding of English grammar. They all told me that in Poland, where they had first learnt English, they were taught the old-fashioned way, where they were frequently given drills in the precise use of English grammar. They also knew all the terminology relating to grammar. I had already developed an improvement in my knowledge of grammar terminology when I studied Spanish, but it wasn’t until I began the TESOL course that I realised how many gaps I had in my understanding. In the last couple of years, I've been teaching Advanced English for CAE students in Spain, but I still find that many of them know more about English grammar than I do. So, I've had to brush up on many areas of grammar which I should have been taught at secondary school in the 70s. I also had a university education, in Electrical and Electronic Engineering. For many years, I've just accepted the stereotype that engineers generally have poor standards when it comes to the correct use of the English language.

[@pedropabloguijarrogarcia2575]

I like very much your videos. I see them whenever have the chance. Jade, I have a question for you, are you a Multilingual, Trilingual, Bilingual or English person?

[@Monkdewallydehonk]

My English tutor at school was a disaster. His name was Professor Wildthroat. I went to one of the best schools in Scotland. It was Sean Connery James Bond007 School for people who have surnames as first names. Me and my best friend Crawford were caned one day for whistling on a Tuesday. I got suspended for wearing a loud jumper in a built up area after 7pm. Very strict it was.

[@cavortingdruids3739]

I wasn't taught properly because I was never taught classics. Understanding ancient Greece and Rome is the key to understanding Western civilization. Generations before us were familiar with the foundational texts of our culture and would have been familiar with Latin and perhaps a bit of Greek too. That link has been almost completely severed. It's impossible to understand Shakespeare properly without at least a passing knowledge of these ancient civilizations. The study of Latin and Greek used to provide an excellent grounding in grammar, which in turn fostered a greater understanding of English grammar. Going to school in the 80s and 90s, I was taught a bit of French in the blandest possible way. So instead of getting to read exciting adventures like Odysseus blinding Polyphemus, my class got to study how Pierre from La Rochelle usually goes swimming on Thursdays.

[@john67ac]

Hi, Jade!!! I really like your blue eyes!!!!

[@Albatrosspro1]

For those who have the appetite for it, read the classics of the Fowlers from about 1900-1920, The King's Speech and Modern English Usage. It will change how you look at English and the decisions that have been made a few generations ago that radically altered the course of the language.

[@Nikonhermit]

You mean "The King's English," don't you?

[@davedogge2280]

In my trash Comprehensive School I realised two months before the final exams that they had not been preparing us for the exams or in some cases even teaching us the complete and proper syllabus so I bunked off school for 2 months before the exams and had to teach myself from books. Loads of kids failed their exams and I went all the way to university and the City of London etc. no others did from my School. Only 7 kids out of 120 went to University, 1 in investment banking. None went on to practice law or become doctors or architects, a few engineers and teachers though

[@genyasuda7256]

I'm sure this webniar would be great.

[@killiansirishbeer]

I've been saying this for years ! When my grandparents comment negatively about people's state of language skills nowadays (written french; mistakes, written and spoken, on the news etc) I always remind them that the education is just not same anymore. Especially when you know that someone studying to be a teacher only needs a passing grade (50%) in their language classes to pass those and eventually graduate (a few generations ago there used to be high thresholds for the language course for elementary teachers and over the years those thresholds got lowered and lowered until those classes were handled like any other, and now as long as you can pass with a 50% it's fine).

[@stevegandalf4739]

Your comments from approx 4:35 to 5:05 -- ahhhh yesssss ..... welcome to the world of some (quite a few, maybe many) British academics.

[@abdiasisgurey2502]

Grammarly structure spelling and written English language

[@sweet_lovely_memories]

that's nice explanation Madam Joddie , Yours own accent is much different and it's sound cool to listen with all ears but recently I've been watching an American T.v series which is Modern Family so in this Season of Modern Family I heard English accent of various People that was completely different from you 'cuz they are all mostly From Americans so my own accent is a bit similar to U.S.A People yours one is hard to create that sound from throat anyway 5 stars for your Personal Accent really cool girl . :)

[@Celticcross688]

Knowledge skills are handed down, but not many people want to LISTEN today. Most Universities were polytechnics, not real Universities. So the degrees completed are watered down to a certain level, the original GCE/CSE when I went to senior school in the late 1960s, was a lot harder.

[@sdstreiker]

Hi Jade.

[@VanillaMacaron551]

Does anyone know why teaching English grammar went out of fashion? Many of us may have learnt more grammar from studying a foreign language than we ever knew about our native tongue. Point taken, Jade, about Eng Lit. I did a year of high school in England in the late 70s, and "Eng Lit" and "Eng Language" were separate courses. One may have been O-Level and one a GCSE. I did them both but don't recall grammar being part of "Eng Lang" either! Luckily I learnt some basic grammar as part of a "Writing" sub-major at uni. I would have liked more - maybe you have to study linguistics for that.

[@neothesaver880]

I do agree that the past generation articulated so well compared to the generations that followed. Look at this video of 1960 kids predicting what the year would be like in the year 2000. Some of the kids are way off but some are pretty much on the nose but all of them they articulation is off the charts. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mairmpVrrL54oJo

[@matlindell5022]

Hi Jade.Actually what kind of sport are you practicing ?

[@agisnon]

Perhaps what Jade is talking about could account for the sociological and dialectal grammatical variation found across the UK. Oviously, dialects have always existed, but maybe had there existed proper instruction on grammar, syntax, semantics etc, this variation and all the non-stamdard forms would gradually start fading away.

[@marksanders2237]

In college we were given the option of English or Philosophy. English to me was nouns,verbs adjectives, etc. So I picked the latter. "Now it's fun to look back on English, however, your IPAs and my IPAs are quite different!"

[@kamalpreetsingh1686]

You are so beautiful and nice teacher......

[@ivarsmatisons]

Interesanti interesanti

[@lafritegaming7713]

You look pretty cute with your hairstyle keep it up mam.

[@tomrox8921]

like this hairstyle too

[@kalikontogiorgi6981]

“The only thing I know, is that I know nothing.”

[@brainysmurf74]

so pretty

[@rachelsingleton2023]

What you're describing is a dumbing down of teaching English in schools. It started for me when I knew what a verb or a noun or past participle or compound was because we were learning that in French and German class- but obvlious about it in English. Standards started dropping in the 90's and have plummeted since..... to make sure everyone feels good about themselves and feel successful with their mediocrity..... when A* became a grade..... yet the student couldn't put a sentence together. No drilling of rote instructions. It's a shame.

[@rahmancelen5563]

I like your hairstyle.

Wow, what a lovely dress...

[@Inaflap]

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[@danielanguita8735]

😍

[@yassinemotaouakkil3530]

Could you do another one of these webinars? I'm trying to correct the piss poor english instruction I've received.

[@JadeJoddle]

Yes I will do another one. Keep an eye out for it.

[@Primemantis108]

I only found the UK spellings one to years six, then after that, I cannot find more standards. Unlike the US, that looks like they have their spelling all the way to grade twelve.

[@proyectosaxo4937]

thank you...I like you hair...

[@user-nk2ux6pw6i]

Boring talks about education in the UK and really nice dress 👗! All in all a good video!:)

[@watchful3157]

So, this video is not directed to me 😅

[@bradwhiteuk]

To those who watch this video while thinking "this doesn't concern me" or "I'm fine, my Grammar skills are excellent", perhaps think again about whether or not that's actually true. For example, can you describe what a semicolon is and how it should be used in English? Do you know what an Oxford comma is? If you have to look those things up, then perhaps your understanding of grammar is not as good as you first thought...

[@fernandobautista3200]

You look stunning!

[@javieruriel]

You are gorgeous!!

[@lucholatinoamerikeli]

Gorgeous

[@theduke6174]

The culture of low expectation.

[@dreznik]

u tend to say different TO smtg. isn't the correct different FROM smtg?

[@tomrox8921]

how do you manage still slim?

[@JoergWessels]

You seem to be a perfect example of the video's topic.

[@TamirTube907]

You are beautiful

[@JT-tr5cz]

In 1940, 4.6% of American adults had a 4-year degree; by 2016 33.4% did. The democratization of higher education means we're less selective about who goes to college, so standards have dropped.

[@dantevalentinsom6432]

And what..???

[@roradyutube]

Not bad at all Jade, but I think you overestimate education. Many people read say classical novels, or draws say by a pencil family members or trees from an early age on while others don't do that. I think that these inclinations define your (intellectual) character more than the extent of education you receive does. Of course if someone is first of all a social climber, he/she will not necessarily recognize this. To be continued.

[@Steedonline]

I really really like your long hair and you wear braids like a queen. Beautiful... and smart 😉

[@gpknkee]

Hi, Jade. You said that you was feeling the hole in your native English education. But I'm feeling the hole in English itself. What do I mean by it? I think English is noun-centered language, so English feels quite stiff to me. But Korean is predicate-centered language, explosively full of conjugation words that make you be able to express all your nuance as you want to, and a lot of postpositions that determine sentence component such as subject, object, complement and give you freedom of word order in sentence, and as a result, such a soft and flexible language. So how about you studying Korean? You might find a new world of colorful language, and get a new insight in your native language. :)

[@BunkHarvestIII]

So why isn't your name spelled 'Jide Joddoo'?

[@robinhood7874]

YOU LOOK FIT WITH THE PIGTAILS

[@sandeepkumarhansdak7650]

.... and!...."Taught"?!....I don't remember how many times I ran away from "Schools"!......😀😆☺️

[@teacherrefat2259]

It seems you're crying in this video. Are you okay?

[@alijawad9042]

Oh my God 🤩🤩🤩 wow jade you look so cute I love you so much 🤤😭😭

[@c0nstantin86]

I love your braded locks. Make Europe Feudal again! Trump 2020!

[@paulhogan2930]

How boring can you get?

[@josehuarcayahuamani9257]

TBH , who cares your education!!. Find a proper job.

[@derloopkat]

I've been watching your videos for years and I'm wondering... why do you always look drowsy and sound tipsy?

[@mohamedalarabi30]

I like your honest.. I also advice you to read the Holy Quran.. It will reopen all horizons in front of your heart and eyes.

[@anonymousentertainment9823]

I doubt it