You will start crashing (or already are) if you don't update CPU now (13th/14th gen intel)

[@mysticalos]

I also need to reemphasize that even if you aren't crashing yet. If you have a 13th or 14th gen intel cpu (sku 14xxx or 13xxx), you will start crashing soon if you have not updated your bios yet. This isn't a click bait video. It's a serious issue of a well documented defect that requires a bios update to address or your cpu might literally become a paper weight that needs to be RMA'd. Please take this PSA seriously and share it to others you know in WoW community. Also seeing a few AMD users report similar issues too. Guess the general PSA is to always update bios and drivers of your system. (But especially if using intel because they don't have it together lately.)

[@Amberion]

He's right. Also, if it's progressed to the point where you are crashing often, and you have narrowed it down to the CPU, the problem is irreversible since the damage is caused by electromigration(destruction of the circuit pathways due to too much electricity flowing through them).

[@migue.0]

This happened to me. I bought a PC a couple months ago with i9 14900KF and my WoW Classic would constantly crash. My temporal solution was using Intel Extreme Tuning and limiting the performance and efficient cores. That stopped crashes, but it was a matter of time till my PC (after a Windows update) would get stuck in a black screen whenever I tried booting my PC and I would get constant BSODs whenever I would try reinstalling Windows. I used the warranty and they replaced the cooler and the processor. Now I have the same processor but brand new, and I have no issues so far. My BIOS update is from August tho, so maybe I should update to the October one. Aside from WoW crashes, I also had random BSODs, Firefox tab crashes and very high CPU temperatures.

[@judigolden5436]

Thank you for this. I have had this crash for awhile now, and this is the first video I have found that clearly explained it. Updating my BIOS now and hoping the chip isn’t damaged.

[@moldgrim1]

I'm on a 7800X3D and have had 0 crashes since TWW launched, but constant UI element flickering, especially in main cities, both with or without addons. Drives me up the wall :p

[@atishalii]

If you have like me with same cpu a driver time responding errors, make sure on wow properties you run all the time wow as administrator , it 'll elevate rights for wow program ;)

[@moldgrim1]

@atishalii ok, will do!

[@moldgrim1]

@@atishalii tested and can confirm; no flickering (so far). Hope it continues. Thanks for your help 👍

[@atishalii]

@@moldgrim1 Been happy to help ;)

[@rng81]

It is critical to get a 9800X3D for WoW :D

[@rasmushopland5001]

Bought one a few days ago. Can't wait to get it XD

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

Will be getting one for my next build. Which hopefully will be in 1-2months

[@Jo1kien]

@@rasmushopland5001 It is very nice. Tripled my FPS in Dornogal lol

[@rasmushopland5001]

@@Jo1kien going from 10th gen midrange i5 CPU, so gonna be a BIG jump for me

[@nerdrooted]

Went from a 5800x to the 9800x3d. Worthy upgrade. Loving it so far 👍

[@Kemyo0]

I had a question about cpu affinity if you dont mind : i searched a bit and found out you could potentially gain performance from optimizing cpu affinity (which cores are assigned to which process) I dont know if its worth a video but are there things you know as a dev about these? (I run on linux and I've heard about cron/taskset or process lasso on windows tools but I'm a newbie)

[@mysticalos]

i think this only really helps if certain cores turbo higher than others. i haven’t needed to do much with that since macos already uses best core for task. i think windows 11 is supposed to as well. especially with most recent windows 11 update which improved that on amd chips. i suppose where affinity more useful is windows 10 users or 11 users not current.

[@Jimmbo91]

I am getting a lot of crashes when opening WA's and navigating through some WA's. This never used to happen before and I used to have double the amount. It's also not a certain WA as ive changed all of them.

[@mysticalos]

What do errors say?

[@jlelz]

looks like that diagnostic tool is for PC/windows. is this intel issue affecting other hardware? i didn't see that on the diagnostic tool

[@mysticalos]

yeah it’s a windows tool. intel 13th and 14th gen never came to mac. pretty much only found in windows pcs. although i guess technically linux too but those can still get a bios update.

[@octavian_88]

Seems intel’s path down is certain

[@mysticalos]

Yeah they are not on a good path. And their latest cpu the 265k actually failed to even achieve good performance. it was lower than previous gen cpus. probably cause they were so afraid of it also burning itself up they underclocked it. A big fiasco over there. Honestly my prediction is this. AMD will stay leader in x86 for a while longer. But once nvdia puts out an arm based cpu scaled up well beyond snapdragon arm cpus, it'll crush x86 once and for all. we've seen what's possible with apple silicon and arm and nvidia knows this too. so does qualcomm, but quallcomm is too far behind apple. But nvidia on other hand has resources and engineering to match or even exceed apple and that's gonna knock everyone else out of competition

[@musser6666]

If its already crashing its too late. The microcode update wont un-cook your cpu. The update prevents the damage happening, if the damage has already happened then the only option is RMA

[@mysticalos]

Fairly accurate, but they still won't RMA without the bios update. they will literally say 'do the update first and recheck" I say as much in video

[@iyaramonk]

I think if you bought the Intels inside a certain timeframe, the damage is already done and it should be RMA'd. If you are in doubt, contact the place you bought it.

[@mysticalos]

Correct. but the RMA process generally goes like this "have you tried bios update yet? if not, do that first" followed by "you have latest bios update and still crashing? ok we'll RMA it" so even ones that are already bricked. they want the update installed and tested first.

[@teapea8184]

It's not a bad bios it's a design flaw with the CPUs. Eventually they are going to degrade, the newer BIOS just migitates it, but the damage is already done if it's crashing, your only hope is to undervolt and hope it still will run. RMA will give you few years with the new CPU, but it will likely just happen again at some point.

[@mysticalos]

Correct. bios update doesn't undo damage. just prevents it from happening IF it hasn't already happened. it'll slow degredation but in general these are not well made cpus. I recommend in video that they do bios update anyways cause they'll ask for that during RMA. and if issue goes away then that's fine too. Means it wasn't too far gone yet (but probably still will be down the line). but once bios update is installed. they'll authorize RMA if issues still occur

[@Sublimescatty]

I'm actually getting this on my Ryzen 5600 recently. Next year will be my upgrade year so 9800x3d, might keep the GPU another year.

[@mysticalos]

That's an AMD processor, so you might be experiencing a similar crash, but for different reasons. but you’ll definitely enjoy that upgrade

[@Kemyo0]

I moved from 13600k to 9800x3d so that doesnt concern me but i will share it to raiders - thanks

[@ismailtemur1]

Do people still buy intel cpu?

[@mysticalos]

People who don't know the wiser, yes. intel has been behind and kinda a dumpster fire for a few years now. To point they finally gave up with their own refinement process and finally using superior TSMC process on raptor lake (their next chips)

[@trishjordan8859]

What do you do if your 68 years old an all of this goes what over your head?😯🧡

[@mysticalos]

Find someone willing to help. Me and tomcat helped WowGrandma, who's 82 sort this out this week. It's what inspired me to make this video. Get a reliable person to remote connect to their PC and update software and stuff as needed. Download right bios update files etc. then instruct them how to do the final update

[@Nickperso23]

have amd 3700x and i've had this issue numerous times since about a week. I've just research google a bit because outside of "delete your WTF" from blizzard, i could not find anything relevant. So i dont remember it clearly atm, i'll edit my post later but after deleting the cash, updating CPU/GPU and doing PC maintenance, i havent crashed since 2days.. tho i dont think this is the end of it Also i've seen topics discussing some of the latest integrated gaphic options at the very end of options. They apparently creates issues (optional GPU features, async resource creation, multithreaded rendering and advanced work submit)

[@mysticalos]

Those optional graphics options have been enabled since bfa, they aren't knew they were just split out to give more control over certain drivers and situations where some of them MIGHT cause issues (but in general they should stay enabled and instead you just update your drivers or bios to ones that don't have issues with those options as they all boost performance). As for your crashes, yeah it's entirely possible it can also be caused by diff issues than one described. but the intel one def causes it. and it sounds like you updating your cpu or gpu drivers or bios also fixed it for your AMD so that's good. The TL/DR of it is definitely (always update your drivers and bios). :D

[@Nickperso23]

@@mysticalos i really wonder is there's anything to do with AMD cpu, on my 3700x because i just got another memory error a couple hours ago :D

[@baskie624]

10850 Intel here. I'm getting the same access violation reference memory at, but at a different memory location 0x00000000000002

[@mysticalos]

Def wouldn't be the same cause. But possibly similar/adjacent as in maybe your older chip is starting to see natural degredation?

[@09666slayer]

I've gotten this error on my 9600k a several times.

[@mysticalos]

That's a different processor, but you might be experiencing a similar crash. It's worth still updating bios, drivers and seeing.

[@SlevenWolf]

Wow has been running like garbage for me lately, since this last patch having 2 wow clients open at the same time and swapping back and fourth makes it almost unplayable when i am used to being able to tab back and fourth without delay. Even with 1 wow running there are times it starts like jittering it feels so gross, i did hear they are updating code so i am hopeful this wont last long and will also make the game better overall.

[@mysticalos]

i run two wows constantly. do you use background fps cap? if not you should. you only need performance on front most wow

[@SlevenWolf]

@@mysticalos Yeah i had it capped at 30 and noticed a slight improvement when i moved it up to 60 max background fps. Still feels a lot clunkier then it did and sometimes when i tab back to a wow i get almost a game freeze which didn't happen in the past.

[@mysticalos]

i set my background fps to 8, that way the one in front is getting max performance.

[@SlevenWolf]

@@mysticalos Thank you very much that helps a lot when swapping back and fourth =)

[@Massive-rat-hypocrite]

Intel replaced my 13900k and gave me a 14900k in exchange.

[@mysticalos]

nice. did you make sure you had bios update after so your 14900k doesn't die too?

[@Kemyo0]

How is that possible 😮 did you write something specific in your rma?

[@GartenFallneX]

I get the same crash on 5800x3d

[@mysticalos]

Odd, probably super similar but not for exact cause. Or perhaps your voltage is misconfirgured on it and it's not a stable configuration?

[@kaddiloc1]

I have amd and get this on every start up

[@mysticalos]

Exact same crash? crashes can look very similar but not be exact. Need to analyze full call stack. You might also get similar crashes for similar reasons. Maybe your amd cpu needs a bios update too, or has a misconfigured setting causing it to be improperly clocked or voltaged?

[@kaddiloc1]

@mysticalos you know I suck at this stuff lol. It wasn't like that at first but started doing it maybe a few months ago

[@mysticalos]

you can always find crash logs in the wow folder/retail/errors (or classic if that's what's crashing)

[@mojoblues66]

I'm living in Apple's walled garden. Yes I know, it is *me* who's the idiot...

[@mysticalos]

i enjoy my macbook pro with non defective intel

[@Stimbim]

thank god I'm on a stone age pc and thing like this don't affect me

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

Same..though kinda sad to be flexing on the fact I still have an i5 6600k. 😅

[@thelastberserk630]

I’m safe I use Mac Pro 5.1 😂

[@xepher1s]

unfortunately this error also occurs for other CPUs, I have an AMD Ryzen 9 7950X for example and occasionally have it

[@mysticalos]

Other similar errors can occur for similar reasons for sure. I'd also check for bios or driver updates for yours as well, or just misconfigurations in clocks or voltages.

[@xepher1s]

@mysticalos did a bios update although it was fairly new, this July. noticed it had DOCP active however so will disable that if I crash again

[@bertsvello]

GG Intel! Company seems to be going under

[@mysticalos]

Intel has been making some really questionable decisions lately.

[@iyaramonk]

Hope not. I'm rooting for their gpu development to shake up pricing for mid tier gpu's

[@tili_]

intel in 2024 lmao

[@mysticalos]

there is a reason i don’t use intel. if on pc amd cpu and nvidia gpu. on mac obviously apple silicon. everyone paying attention is leaving intel behind

[@Popikaify]

Still hard 35fps in epic BGs with 7800X3D.This games optimization is beyond laughable