Blizzard Admits Patch 11.0.5 has Issues

[@mysticalos]

Just improved it with timestamps. Missed those in initial editing. Sorry about that. Please remember to like video or leave a comment if you find these videos useful. ❤

[@highbred]

They are very useful bro, thank you for your efforts!

[@Moonwired]

Absolutely agree, we’re not QA or alpha testers. We’re paying them, not the other way around. At the very minimum this should go through the PTR. Absolute mind-boggling that this isn’t a default workflow. Transparency is “nice” and all.. but i mean that sort of the minimum. I was incredibly frustrated after I spent several hours fixing my addons to get back to a nice steady 110+ fps in raids. Then this sh*t hits, and i’m flip-flopping between 5fps-100fps again.

[@isaaclalnunzira6981]

Also having a lot of issues with dungeons. Never dipped below 100 fps with 5800x3d , and now im dipping to low 30s on big pulls.

[@mysticalos]

could be related, but still should troubleshoot basic things like certain addons that use high performance things, or certain auras that may still be using models or something else that doesn't perform well

[@thodorosxanthopoulos]

I am also running a 5800x3d along with a 4080s at 4k, 20man raid dorps to the 40-50 fps but 5man m+ never had such drops, I think you have a different issue

[@isaaclalnunzira6981]

@@mysticalos the patch this morning somehow made it better, i troubleshooted the problem and it was plater that affected fps the most. Deleting elvui saved me around 3 fps ( negligible) but unloading plater made it butter smooth.

[@daikennett]

Hey dude, just want to say I love your vids. They are a nice technical pull apart and reverse engineering of the tech behind wow, as well as lots of game design talk. Really fun to listen to, please keep it up!

[@mysticalos]

Glad you like them!

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

I'm kinda excited for what they're maybe doing to "future proof" WoW or somehow make it play better.. Would be really interesting to hear what they are planning to do about it or what they're trying to do. Also would be gool to at least hear the major concerns they're creating the solutions for like the specific pain points of the game/engine at the moment and also going forward.

[@mysticalos]

I agree. the post was actually mostly good news. they had good intent, they just executed it really badly by pushing it live without a PTR of any kind of even some communication before hand.

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

@@mysticalos Yes I think they did something similar with the class tuning stuff or something else too where they overwrote some hotfixes or didn't push the right build live etc. They've had quite a few stumbles with these things lately.

[@rng81]

I want to be, but i doubt they can change the singlethreaded nature of the engine's core. They would have done it long ago if it was possible.

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

@@rng81 I kinda hope they can at some point move the game to a new engine sort of to fix most stuff.. and it would be the WoW 2 that people keep talking about (just not the way they think). But I have no technical skills so that I could understand how difficult a task it would be.. I just know it would be a massive one.

[@aar021]

Thank you! I was going nuts, made no changes on settings and Theater Troupe was a Power Point presentation.

[@simoncasson1526]

Did an Ashran today and had like 5 FPS it's unplayable

[@Citizen_JQP]

I really find myself enjoying your technical point of view. Very unique and informative. Thank you

[@dimitrisbenas4922]

Thanks man!!! Keep it up! There are very few with such info and even fewer passing this knowledge to the public

[@darthenx2585]

Been getting dips down to 25 fps just standing in Dornagol.

[@rudolphriedel541]

Reminds me of the disconnects I got everywhere and often back at the start of Shadowlands, stopped when I disabled IPv6 in the settings. I still have the option checked off and also "Optimize Network for Speed".

[@xlexed2583]

the most annoying lags are whenever i join open world boss fights etc, people literally skip around and my spells have insanly high delay

[@TheMisleduser]

I don't even show large fps dips. Usually in the 200s but it still looks like I'm watching a PowerPoint slide show sometimes

[@LittleMikasio]

Does that mean they will fix the delay on gathering ores/herbs and m+ spells as well?

[@mysticalos]

hopefully one day? if they improve backend tech to not break anytime a world boss is pulled or theatre event starts, that'd be something.

[@Waevform]

Weird how they couldn’t roll back this experimental code until it’s tested and functioning but instead are pushing hot fixes to hopefully fix some of the issues caused by it

[@hedroxthelegend]

I've noticed significant performance improvement 2 days ago. Game updated, and also forced me to relocate the game from the launcher. Game has been running really good in dungeons and raids, way better than before at least. I'm curious what's gonna happen after tomorrows update, it's 2 hours and they're also updating the launcher simultaneously. I bet it's further performance updates. P.S: Keep in mind I'm playing on 4K, with RTX On and x4MSAA.

[@HKlivefast]

do you have any advice for the gcd delay when I press my binds? seems to be less of an issue on my pally but is really bad on my hunter, its like a huge delay for ability presses

[@mysticalos]

outside of possible server latency for server that character is on. maybe you have it set to on key release instead of on key press for abilities. what that means is it doesn’t do cast til you let go of key. that option can be found in options. search for key press and make sure it’s set to casting on press and not release

[@HKlivefast]

@@mysticalos not sure, I have the enabled on all of my characters. My hunter that is on illidan experiences it badly, my paladon on emerald dream there is ZERO delay, the binds are pactivated exactly when I press them and it feels AMAZING, just wish I had that on my main as well that I mythic raid on

[@wax89]

Have u been working with SAP ? :D

[@mysticalos]

Sap?

[@wax89]

@@mysticalos it just sounded like you're working in IT consulting at times ^^ thanks for making the vid btw! saved me from going nuts myself :D

[@Airbag888]

Blizzard fired their QA team and what they consider non essentials... here's the result, worse patch ever and $90 mounts that people actually bought mindlessly. It also feels like at the core of that huge onion that is wow's engine, is the little Warcraft engine still handling the ventricles and base code

[@aar021]

Must buy useful mount…. O wait, what?

[@TheKvs777]

I bought mindfully

[@divios1]

PPP

[@mysticalos]

sadly mount isn't useless. in fact i'm utterly convinced they purposely put no mailbox by blacksmith or engineering table just so I'd buy mount cause I was tired of going back and forth across town. it all made sense when mount appeared in store

[@heathmcrigsby]

Most people, a vast vast majority, over 90% bought that mount with tokens. Token buyers were going to buy them regardless so they didn't make as much money off of it than it seemed.

[@zickbone]

i did the old dissable frist 2 and last 2 cores in set affinity and set prio to high, and now my game feels smooth even when the fps drops quite low on 40man world bosses

[@Nickperso23]

any tutorial to that? and what's your CPU & GPU ?

[@mysticalos]

Same question as Nick. being locked behind macOS so often I don't always have all latest PC specific tweaks anymore since my PC died. I also haven't had an AMD PC yet (but maybe will one day) so AMD specific tweaks especially are an unknown.

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

@@zickbone Me 3 also interested to hear more 👍🏻

[@whereisthesurvivalhunter9525]

Best fix is to disable WoW xD

[@Nickperso23]

​@@mysticalos I've seen videos talking about programs to orientate how you want your cores to be allocated to games/OS and such things and prio and did it once, but since my newer SSD i didnt use it again and i can't recall the name of the program, which is why i asked him if he has any tutorial to that. From memory the core affinity in wow is an old but still relevant topic (think i started toying with that in Burning Crusade or a little after) & has videos/discussion here and there. I'll have a look at some point and come back here if i find anything interesting. @mysticalos i do run a called "old" 3700x AMD proc with a 2080super, and with a lot of OS/WoW tweaks, i can say i dont have a single problem in raid or anywhere, capping myself at 60, i can share data or test anything if you need, just ask

[@00wheelie00]

I've been suffering fro. Spells not going through since the patch. That's killing when it happens to soothing mists andmruins my ramp, because I end up hard casting enveloping mists slowing my ramp and wasting the oppurtunity to cast them mana efficient.

[@dennisriddle]

Unfortunately, if it really is "infrastructure" related code, those areas would be libraries mostly on the server side that would not be nearly as stressed in a PTR environment. With the size of the live vs PTR deployments, major differences in latency and performance are almost inevitable, and very difficult to reproduce or anticipate on test infrastructure. If you've played since before BC, you should be fairly familiar with this phenomena from new patches (Isle of Quel'Danas anyone?).

[@mysticalos]

they can scale up ptrs pretty large. they’ve done mega stress tests and simulated expansion launches. they might not have caught everything but at least some things.

[@StraussWyldeTT]

Even last night had 3 simultaneous dc few seconds into Ansurek

[@melissakampers]

I thought I was doing something wrong on my end or that my PC needed replacing but thankfully I am not the only one having abysmal performance since War Within

[@mysticalos]

i mean the particular issue here was only started in 11.0.5, if you had performance issues prior to that, then might be worth checking out my other videos to address some of other common problems with mods or settings

[@keats27]

I have definitely seen lag come and go, and I KNOW they are changing shit behind the scenes, and they do not respond well when you go to the forums to tell them that. The lag is heavy right now, and there have been times when it was not....recently....not based on crowd, can be standing by myself somewhere with nobody around.

[@magic23net]

Ok, another try then: Yesterday we were raiding the palace with 26 people (hc). When we got to Queen Ansurek I experienced a hell lot of problems with performance especially in rooting phase. I am playing a Frost Mage and in rooting phase I start my AoE rotation: Frost Orb -> Comet Storm -> Cone of Cold -> Frost Orb -> Comet Storm. When doing that, my FPS went down to 2-5 FPS for a couple of seconds - horrible as you probably can imagine. My setup is a 5800x CPU with 7900x GPU (AMD), 64gb of RAM and Samsung Pro M2 SSDs. I started to test things out: Lowering details, changing AMD GPU settings in control panel, changing Damage Font to default. Nothing helped. All other setings you mentioned in one of your previous videos (lowering plater update cycles, ElvUI update cycles, WeakAura Models etc.) were allready set. It drove me nuts.. Then I disabled raider_io addon and advanced logging features in the game itself - and it helped! Still no great performance but at least FPS went up in the described scenario to around 20-25 making it at least "playable". So I wonder if there is something going on there with logging as well? Will try it tonight with M+ runs as well, which can sometimes be a pain too.

[@ponca1813]

Ah just adding to this, Logging is very noticeable with my Ryzen3600, in periods of high AOE with logging enabled I get the same problem, also healing UI's like Cell or Grid2 when a pulsating AOE happens, for raiding I have to go with Blizzard UI which sucks but oh well, gonna upgrade Mobo and CPU ASAP

[@electronicdreams.9870]

Use RaidFrameSettings, it's what RWF uses. Stock blizzard ui. I deleted elvui and rebuild it using other add-ons and it's amazing​@@ponca1813

[@WarAnWaar]

So did release already fix patch?

[@mysticalos]

i think they’ve done some fixes but not sure if all fixed yet. and only the stuff 11.0.5 broke. some of stuff that was broken (like models) probably still an issue

[@tonredbull]

wow, it's always been horrible when it comes to fps\perfomace... people have to build a 10k PC to run it decently.has been in beta since 2004.

[@alexw09]

Just bought a 5700X3D especially for this game and didn’t see any improvements in wow. Fps still drops to 20-30 in raids it’s absolutely unplayable

[@rng81]

@@alexw09 Try raiding with a non x3d and you will have even worse fps😂

[@Citizen_JQP]

I have the 7800X3D /4070/32gb ram. At times I see throttling in the fps.... open worlds bosses, large pvp bgs, and the anniversary zone in particular. Frustrating to spend that much on a pc that eats everything as a snack and trips up in wow. Lol

[@thodorosxanthopoulos]

I am running a 5800x3d with a 4080s at 4k 144hz, in a mythic raid 20man it drops to sometimes even 30-40 dps with an average of 55-60 fps during combat. In 5man dngs I average 100fps during combat and its such a night vs day situation where I find myself wishing not to raid anymore. I run a few addons that most likely would help reduce the load like, details, WA (luxthos and the raid WA package), elvui, plater, cell but I doubt (or better yet hope) the performance would be better without them. Even if it is after playing with these addons for so long I cannot see myself playing without them, the base UI needs a lot more work a custom settings. Sadly its 2024 and the engine is showing its age, maybe (wishful thinking) a WoW 2 (mainly a new engine) is what is being worked on behind the scenes to be released after this trilogy of expansions and the AH/mailbox mount is funding said project (takes a copium sniff).

[@mysticalos]

That combinatin of addons would definitely have massive frame drops in raids if you don't go through settings recommended by lucky for elvui and tweak some plater settings. as well as make sure weak auras aren't using models anywhere. Might get some frames back without actually removing those mods.

[@thodorosxanthopoulos]

@mysticalos could you point me to these setting for elvui you speak of? I googled lucky elvui but it's only a wow head article I skimmed through and didn't find any section about optimizing settings. I have the weak auras covered, did so after watching your video.

[@driiifter]

I quietly let my sub run out. I swear to god playing this xpac made me feel identical to how I felt attempting to play Fallout 76 for the fourth time. When you desperately want a game to work and be good and it just isn't possible no matter what you do lol, every corner has a bug, a lag fest, a failure condition or a massive time sink where you get absolutely nothing for your troubles. I can't anymore.

[@PatrickMurray1966]

I knew I wasn't crazy!

[@diobrndox]

Even when tested in PTR theres issues, let alone untested code 😅😂

[@bigwillyman4551]

is this the reason why ive been having random fps drops in populated places? if im just dragonriding around less populated areas my fps is alot more stable and consistent compared to just standing in places like dornagol

[@mysticalos]

Outdoors? not likely. those new regressions mostly applied to raids. i think most of that issue you describe is just how cpu bound wow is. Populated places aer extremely demanding on cpu, since game doesn't efficiently handle player models and interactions at all. that likely won't improve until you get a better cpu or if blizzard ever makes engine handle this deficiency better

[@jlelz]

same exact issues were introduced to the classic client at the exact same time. or very near. with the release of SoD phase 5. it's been fucked. so bad that it's almost unplayable

[@pino_de_vogel]

i was in a raid yesterday and litteraly dropped to 12 fps.. Lag in general went upp to. theres so many delays. i think they need to upgrade the servers to get better pperformance on their side. maby this engine needs a smaller server with more fast cores rather then server processors that have poor per core performance.

[@rng81]

FPS and lag are not the same. One is client sided the other server sided.

[@pino_de_vogel]

@@rng81 i know but still lag has also bin worse since the patch. i was just saying they fked up in several ways.

[@taylorwhite2751]

lol every time I take the portal from the cavern of time back to storm wind I get thrown out in the middle of the ocean 90% of the time. Anyone else getting this?

[@mysticalos]

this happens when failed instance transfer so it dumps you in fallback location. used to be westfall for allianev and no idea for horde

[@Icicleyo]

I notice lower fps even in arena and battlegrounds. Also this post only talks about the desyncing part. In pvp, if someone trinkets a crowdcontrol they start warping around, basically teleporting continents, so I don't think this is just subject to raiding. Edit: I also don't understand why they're rushing things. If they rush things, they just add more work to it need fixing. Which at the same time harms player experience and in some cases cause people to quit, it almost feels sometimes that's their goal or something. 🤷

[@dflowers6771]

bringing untested stuff to live is some SoD sht

[@azathoth6878]

Class balance is a shitfest, performance is a shitfest, i gotta ask what the fuck are blizzard offering us currently that’s good?

[@poryaamouei636]

mounts for 90$? that's all of their focus :)

[@rng81]

Imagine wanting to improve raid performance after 20 years and then making it 3x worse than it already was, only Blizzard is able to do this :)

[@stefanpetrovic6976]

Hi bro, your videos are very helpful. Whatched them several times bcs i have poor performance. Can you please explain me one wierd thing? I have same fps with graphic quallity set to 1 and set to 7. On first boss in nerub ar raid, infront of boss before pull i have 50 fps on graphic quallity 1 and 7. I cant undersrand how is that possible. Fps is not capped.. In open world same. Like 140 fps with graphic quallity 1 or 7. Then i realised if im playing with poor fps let the game at least look decent.. Can you please explain that issue? Sorry for this long comm.. wish you all best and keep up with this content ✌️

[@stefanpetrovic6976]

Also to mention i have a potato pc cpu Ryzen3 2200g and gpu rx 580..

[@mysticalos]

cpu bound. your cpu is holding you back. if cpu too slow you could have a 4090 and it wouldn’t matter. the cpu is responsible for giving the cpu work

[@stefanpetrovic6976]

@@mysticalos thanks a lot!

[@Rameus]

I honestly think they used chatgpt to program this patch.

[@mysticalos]

at a point in probably not far off future, that'll do a better job than most humans.

[@Rameus]

@@mysticalos true, but as of right now, chatgpt is not reliable.

[@JSoftpaw]

I have a feeling the multi-threading is only GPU related and not CPU... If I don't limit my fps, 1 core on my cpu will be maxed out in this game while the rest of my CPU hardly do anything at all, not even sure why my CPU get tanked with fps so hard and not my GPU... Even at 300fps at a empty spot, my gpu hardly increase by a degree in heat, almost doesn't even turn on any turbo or anything, but then I stand around a few other people and drop to like 70fps and my CPU have one core at 100, the rest at nothing... Like what the hell, they need to take their engine apart and go from scratch at this point... This game was supposed to be played by everyone and now, even with a massive monster of a PC it feels like, I'm running a benchmark made to kill my PC or something.

[@mysticalos]

they definitely do multithreaded tasking from cpu to gpu. the problem is single threaded stuff running on engine bogging it down like ui and network code.

[@Dwayneff]

so they are basically rebuilding wow's core engine. We all know how that is going to play out, you fix one thing, another breaks. That's just code. Why don't they just put in a new engine? (yes, I know what kind of hell that would entail, the work that would take)

[@mysticalos]

engine probably not. more like the infrastructure data end i imagine. probably to reduce lag when fighting. bu mt wherever they did dropped frames and causes more lag and dcs not less

[@drey934]

Why not revert the change though while they work on the fix? Just go back to a previous version..

[@mysticalos]

probably would require rolling back part of patch I'd guess. But we'll see

[@smoke7877]

I got benched for dcing in raid LOL

[@mysticalos]

yeah we benched a few too

[@Spanakopitaa]

20 fps is my normal fps in raids :'(

[@zacneley4685]

Bruh have you seen the lag in dornogal (isle of dorne ) ? that zone is fuckign unplayable . and when theatre starts oh boy u can't even play for more than 2 seconds without having a 15second lag freeze

[@cprn1]

they don't have any players on ptr that's why they pushed it live

[@mysticalos]

the last PTR wasn't great. BRD got poor testing cause they did it during race to world first (plus everyone elses live raids too). so we saw tuning on that on live with no testing :D

[@benkhabeats18]

Salute , good men ❤

[@mysticalos]

Thanks. It's nice for blizz to personally give me validation for once so people know i'm not crazy and I'm not crazy :D

[@Nottmexpress]

Blizzard are a joke , they have zero accountability and don't care. I crashed and had so many issues this week.Not just raids. Not worth dealing with these scum anymore.

[@steca1375]

Ashran is almost unplayble since a few days... And i get random disco EVERYWHERE un world when taking off with mount after mining... This game is garbage... Need less peops selling 90 and 265$ mounts and more People working

[@electronicdreams.9870]

While i average 400 fps in dornogal and 250 in NP, as shadow priest in the timeqalking dungeons I was watching powerpoint while my fps was showing as 380

[@VitaliyIndie]

people 15 years ago cared about performance of their code. new coders dont care and games suck

[@mysticalos]

Coders care a lot, but they aren't given enough time and freedom to do what needs doing most of time. Case and point, shipping something unfinished and untested likely cause coders wanted to do something that needed more time than they had.

[@magic23net]

What happened to my comment?

[@mysticalos]

No idea, I haven't deleted any. maybe flagged in moderation? I'll check. EDIT, nope nothing held either

[@rng81]

@@magic23net First rule of Fight Club 🙃