You Won't Believe These Bible Contradictions!

[@Pangburn]

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[@virtuosa69]

Try disputing the Torah and the ridiculous Tanakh and their derived ✡️ constitution...

[@chrishicks8347]

Since you don't understand what you go by it's called Catholic Christianity. It has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Jesus wasn't a Christian and he never was. He was just an enlightened human that you Christians modern-day slaughtered. And I only say that because the Romans slaughtered Jesus and Christianity in the Colosseum was Christianity fatality. Jesus died on Vatican Hill at Solomon's Temple. Oh I bet you didn't realize that the Vatican was Solomon's Temple I guess that's because it came from Catholic Christianity. Play lie to you. Gardening and commit adultery God and her Joseph and Joseph slept with his wife know adultery very simple. But not for the Vatican old Mary was banging God. Which is totally impossible because Jesus had a y chromosome but you guys don't even seem to realize practicality. God doesn't have a y chromosome God's not even a human it's a Galaxy. So God had to enter Joseph you know a male with a y chromosome you know what a y chromosome is it's only in males. Like Joseph. Do you want me to show you how many more lives are in your goddamn book. The Holy Bible is such a blast me on God's name it is unbelievable. But then again it was written by satanic cult name the Vatican. Holy Spirit of Humanity

[@williamgeorgepeter2969]

Biblical contradictions: Before we handle biblical contradictions we must know what contradictions are and why are there contradictions? The Bible is a word of God addressed to the fallen mankind, so must know the purpose of the word of God having contradictions, discrepancies and inconsistencies. The purpose of contradiction is to motivate the minds of a fallen men, why is the mind motivated? The mind must be motivated so as to open the closed mindedness so as to see, and understand God. Therefore, in order to open the closed mindedness contradictions are necessary. If there's no contradiction then there's no possibility to motivate the mind of a man, then man would simply continue without seeing or understanding God and blindly assert that God does exist or doesn't exist, and attitude would result chaos. What's closed mindedness of men? When man disobeyed the command of God & ate the forbidden fruit 🍓, then his eyes opened, meaning his eyes opened to wickedness and at the same time his eyes was closed to the ways of God, and that he has become a fallen and closed minded man as these has been achieved by an adversary by deceiving them, so God's Spirit departed from a man and instead an Unclean Spirit has arrived into the man. This is why the Bible calls a sinner is blind, dead, captive or imprisoned. Now in order to restore men God have spoken through various peoples and finally through His Son, and that there's Holy Bible, so when we study the word of God, we encounter contradictions, therefore when we take these contradictions then we can't handle it, and in such situations one can allow those contradictions to work in his mind that's seated in the brain and sealed in it, so during the pursuit of contradictions the brain go through various scenarios and in the end there shall be a breaking of the seal of the mind in the brain, once the breaking of the seal of the mind happens then it will be removed from the brain, paving way for the Holy Spirit or God's Spirit to get into the brain and seal again in a fraction of time dramatically, this is only known to an individual, not to anybody else. This is the opposite of what happened to man in the beginning wherein the Holy Spirit or God's Spirit departed from him and instead an Unclean Spirit arrived into his physical body and now through JESUS, so an Unclean Spirit is removed from the brain 🧠 and instead the Holy Spirit or God's Spirit can be replaced back into the brain 🧠 and seal it. Thus, contradictions of the Holy Bible are meant to motivate the closed men so as to open closed mindedness of men, and to prove that God does exists.

[@MorneTerblanche-f7x]

Wrong!!! Mathew said he when to Egypt Matthew 2:13-18 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

[@WayneLynch69]

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[@senormojo]

If you put Jordan Peterson in an elevator with Dinesh D’Souza, you get a perpetual motion machine to nowhere.

[@Awaken2067833758]

that is terrifying

[@almcdermid9669]

It's a mercy they can't mate.

[@Ignirium]

hahahahaha

[@asorlokirunarsson9864]

Love that xD

[@dominicpardo4783]

@@senormojo BAHAHAHAHA!!!

[@PersonallyOptimistic]

The amount of avoidance of answering a simple question on one side is extremely telling.

[@conscientiamngo]

This kills me as a logical and analytical person. The world prefers lies. I think up until now

[@prodebates9182]

@@conscientiamngo Trump won. They're eating the cats! They're eating the dogs! Trust me! Pretty sure the world prefers lies more than ever. It may have always been that way.

[@Sandra_D.9]

That’s standard belief for ya

[@chrism4268]

The mental gymnastics of a cornered animal.

[@urzmontst.george6314]

Well, Dinesh is a liar, so....

[@fazbell]

D'Souza is embarrassing.

[@nunyabusiness979]

He's a criminal and an embarrassment.

[@MiCajaDelIdiota]

And a charlatan...

[@all4fitz]

Adults believing in magic is embarrassing.

[@MarquitoRH]

Brilliant summary. 👍

[@ArKritz84]

Yeah, which one of the two sounds like they've only heard about the Bible by rough description?

[@dallas1891]

Imagine being so ignorant of a book you’re vehemently defending. Insane

[@Janemba212]

He's ignorant when it's convenient for him

[@unknown5150variable]

Isnt that most people?

[@jackthe_tripper2544]

Imagine calling ppl that read books insane 😂😂😂😂😂

[@noonebesides]

​@@Janemba212 Yeap. "... Oh that famous inconsistency that has been talked about for centuries and has an obvious motive for shenanigans about facts in the book I say you should live by ... never heard of it." A more vicious debater would have called D out as either obviously unprepared or dishonest.

[@firecat3613]

@@jackthe_tripper2544 It depends on the book and what may be the end result of reading that book. For example, let us take a quick glace at, Lewis Carroll's, "Alice in Wonderland." If you read that book and took away from it a magical world of fiction, that relays a fanciful story and is highly entertaining. That is one thing. If, however, you spent the rest of your life, in search of a talking rabbit, who is wearing a pocket watch and a plaid vest; asking everyone you see, if they'd seen the rabbit. Then, you set out to pass laws, forcing others to believe in your delusion and help you in your search... I'd say that is a completely different scenario, at least bordering on the insane, wouldn't you?

[@andystokes8702]

Alex - ''Would you concede that this is a contradiction''? D'Souza - ''Yes and no''. And he manages to keep a straight face.

[@Goneforgoodflsh]

the irony of what he said

[@OnurTheXbot]

@@Goneforgoodflsh 😂

[@OnurTheXbot]

Souza is a clown

[@Leket-k1v]

You're assuming there is no such thing as a "both/and" proposition.

[@forkthepork]

"Who the heck cares?" Try that in any other theatre of debate and see how far you get.

[@nunyabusiness979]

This is the same as the "I don't need evidence because it's obvious" BS.

[@anothermike4825]

That's how you should respond when christians talk about their beliefs. Who the heck cares? Just because you believe them doesn't mean I have to and those bible verses mean very little to me.

[@lightatthecape2009]

Given that human memory is less than perfect simple differences are not unexpected.

[@anothermike4825]

@@lightatthecape2009 I thought it was inspired by god. There shouldn't be errors if god was involved.

[@lightatthecape2009]

@@anothermike4825 Inspired is a vague idea- it certainly is not readily translated as if 'dictated,.' You would have to assess any number of approaches. Personally, I think it was a major mistake to include the OT in the canon. The endless, pointless whining and squawking is migraine inducing.

[@fitnessteacher1845]

I tried writing his answer down and breaking it up. I couldn't find an actual answer, a long dance of anecdotes, subject change and avoidance. I am so impressed how patient everyone was with him.

[@waltsullivan8986]

Could you even find complete sentences?

[@BobbyWhitus]

Since you took so much time to dissect Dinesh's (admittedly poor) response... Would you like an explanation as to why Alex's point in the video does not represent a contradiction?

[@sheltr9735]

Kudos to all those who were patient As for me, I can't tolerate D'Souza's attempted obfuscations I bailed-out before I even got six minutes in!

[@parsonj39]

And Dinesh has made a career of that kind of idiocy.

[@OneFiveYankee]

He lost the second he couldn’t answer and said “Who the heck cares?”

[@hansj5846]

You'd hope that people that devoted their lives to this belief would care.... What an astonishing answer 😂😂😂

[@starfishsystems]

There is an implicit Appeal to Emotion fallacy in saying "who cares?" The truth of any matter doesn't depend on your subjective reaction to it.

[@mouhaahaahaa]

it's such a stupid thing to say. who cares? obviously the guy who asked. did he not know that? is it even important that someone cares?

[@chizchism84]

Agreed

[@carlosalot]

Thank goodness that we are in an age where we can finally challenge religion with intelligence and common sense without being killed or imprisoned, which was once the only retort to these hard questions

[@kaberanshutisamuel1856]

real, if you said this in 1500 you'd be burned alive

[@DaddyZeke4587]

Don't get too comfortable. It seems to be the goal of fundamentalist Christians and Muslims to take us back there. The United States, over the next few years, will show how far down that road Americans are willing to go. Right now it seems that they are very willing.

[@VincentSapone]

Yes, saw off the branch you are sitting in. We live in that world because the Gospel is the backbone of Western Civilization.

[@DaddyZeke4587]

@VincentSapone 🤣🤣🤣

[@watashiSANE]

Dyou even hear yourself? You speak of all religions as if these all are some sorts of a game to you,, yess i do believe there are ridiculous religions out there,, but Jesus is the only way my guy,, Never the less your country needs Jesus, bcase all he taught was to live beautifully and love one and other and to acknowledge your God​@@DaddyZeke4587

[@ReligieVrij]

I left the christian faith two years ago, after being a devout christian (fundamentalist) for many years. I dived deep into apologetics and wanted to keep my faith at all costs. I listened endlessly to apologists and for a long time my faith survived because of their tactics. Looking back I realised that apologists are not interested in the truth. They are interested in the confirmation of their religious narrative. They are sincerely deceived or deliberately lying, doing crazy brain gymnastics and special pleading. Dinesh perfectly shows how to ignore a simple question by giving all kinds of wrong examples.

[@alicedeen720]

You are totally correct. Thank you.

[@whereisthegardenofeden9000]

Well, good that you are out now what? You probably hear the voice of the Lord telling you GO OUT OF HER! The question is what now? You will continue living a life of no purpose? Or will you take it upon your self for the sake of your soul and your family to investigate what is the truth about the Bible and the ways that the Lord has set since the beginning that we can walk on them? Good luck making that decision cuz your life and many others may depend on it,🙏

[@Kami84]

I realized this when I was about 11-12 just by paying attention to what my own brain was doing to preserve faith and belief. I wasn’t a biblical scholar at 12 😂 but I knew enough from catholic school to know that there are a lot of things that are logically inconsistent and contradict reality. When I realized that the religion is designed to discourage thoughts that would lead you away from it and that it’s designed to spread I realized that religion is a system of control. I’ve been an agnostic atheist since that time. I discovered Bart Ehrman after that which only bolstered my decision.

[@ReligieVrij]

@@whereisthegardenofeden9000 My life has more purpose and meaning now. Thank you 😉

[@travisreifke4356]

No, they are trying to help you avoid a secular society, which is destructive by nature.

[@rich9587]

D’souza is so full of crap it’s infuriating

[@johnciano3524]

He's squirming and all over the place cause he knows he's caught in a bad spot in this debate lol

[@handl3869]

​@johnciano3524 He's a dishonest creation of right-wing think tanks. Just like Owens, Shapiro, and too many others.

[@kirkturner8872]

Well he did create the "2000 Mules" film. Enough said.

[@paulciavardoni8069]

Create being the appropriate word. His movie is just like the Bible in the sense that both are evidence free.

[@plehmann72]

Hes also been convicted of fraud in court

[@markdomar4944]

They are contradictions, Dinesh. That’s why they are accurately called contradictions.

[@j-us-t_be-in-g]

Dinesh makes sense. He's basically saying the writers of the Bible interpreting the same events in which they saw in different perspectives. The Bible is of history...of nature in allegorical parables.

[@TheLastWalenta]

@@j-us-t_be-in-g It’s an absolute literal form of historical account. Until it isn’t. We’re all too stupid to understand… we all need a little help from that elusive man on the stage who is so good at making words go together without seeming to mean or say anything at all.

[@butterinthepan]

While at first glance the two accounts seem contradictory, they can be harmonized by recognizing that each Gospel writer had distinct theological and narrative purposes. Matthew includes the flight to Egypt to highlight Jesus as the fulfillment of prophecy, while Luke emphasizes the family's devout practices. The omission of Egypt in Luke does not necessarily conflict with Matthew's inclusion but rather reflects the writer's thematic priorities

[@malirk]

Dinesh is a political apologist... *and not a very good one at that!* He thought he could easily do Christian apologetics and flopped so hard channels like Capturing Christianity were even unhappy with the debate.

[@XinwylFumudaiski]

The funny thing is CC would probably have been wowed by the points he's making had this been 15 years ago when all of these were the standard apologetics mic drops. Right up there with other charming witticisms like 'tornado blowing through a junkyard'-level dismissals of evolution. Those not constrained by religiously dogmatic thinking come up with reasonable counters all the time, but people like Dinesh look for 'witty' comebacks or approaches to reinforce tired non-guments.

[@icekills1]

The thing is, Denish wants to eat his cake and have it two. He wants the bible to be innerant on metaphorical truths and historical claims. If the historical accuracy is not true or even possible, then it doesn't matter because they are trivial and still true. Even in the bible its says that if jesus did not risen then the faith is furtile and sin will still persist. In order words, if the historical event didnt happen then some of the methphorical claims are not true.

[@hansj5846]

The apologist's dishonesty is nauseating

[@richiecunningham6552]

This is classic apologist method: Ignore the question, Change the subject, move the goalposts, and suggest the question is wrong!😂

[@dr.kevorkian7535]

Dinesh is easily being backed into a corner by Alex and instead of acknowledging his failure, he trys to ignore the questions, change the topic, say that Alex's points are pointless because he doesn't care.

[@user-pd3kr4nb5k]

"Cringeworthy" - the very word vividly defined by Dinesh.

[@spitfireresearchinc.7972]

Seriously? Why is it important, that people believe in the literal inerrancy of a piece of fiction, which itself is internally contradictory? This Christian apologist is frankly a clown.

[@malirk]

Dinesh is a political apologist. He thought he could easily do Christian apologetics and flopped so hard channels like Capturing Christianity were even unhappy with the debate.

[@blixx8931]

Yeah I'm listening to this right now. Why do people have to make up excuses for an all powerful and all knowing God? Lol😅😅 let's see him justifying God killing 3 million people and Lucifer not lying or killing anyone.

[@dajolaw]

It's important because a large segment of the people who believe this work of fiction want everybody else to accept it as the truth, to deny scientific progress that contradicts the fiction, and to live by it's flawed ethical precepts. That's why it's important.

[@HuwRichards-e2z]

@@Grauenwolf And to punish Christians!

[@dentonhahn2907]

Seriously? How do you know it is fiction? Do you treat all history with such cynical thinking?

[@dominicpardo4783]

It's so cool how calmly and eloquently Alex just dismantles everything Dinesh regurgitates.

[@j.l.2849]

D'Souza employs the type of Christian-evasion counter argument that, thankfully, pushed me towards realizing how absolutely, factually bankrupt the entire religion is. Essentially, it goes like this: Claim: The Bible is the inspired word of God. Q: Is it the truth? A: Yes Q: Is it the literal truth? A: Yes. Q: What about contradictions X, Y, & Z? A: You're forgetting the context in which the author was writing the text. Q: So, it isn't the literal truth? A: No. It is the literal truth. Q: How do you explain these contradictions? A: Because the authors have different perspectives and agendas. Q: But they can't both be correct. Based on your previous answer, the Bible is a collection of humans writing from their own perspectives and with their own agendas? A: Yes, but it's true because God inspired the writing. And on and on and on and on... Now when I watch people like D'Souza argue the truth of the Bible I don't see a person engaged in true debate. I see a person that is so scared of death that they have twisted their minds in an attempt to stave off that fear for just a little longer. It's sad.

[@StuartRowlands-gm4qr]

@.1.2849 It may be the case that the apologist has to win the argument because the opponent is a tool of Satan, and to lose the argument means Satan has won! You cannot make this sh*t up!

[@farfromirrational]

Religion encourages circular logic. "The book is true because God made the book" "I know God made the book because the book says so"

[@JustinBlackPhoto]

The Christian apologist can't afford to concede any major failings in the truth of the Bible, even if that is the intellectually honest thing to do, because once they acknowledge that the Bible is an imperfect human document and not the inerrant word of God, the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

[@dyvel]

Dinesh it's so incredibly dishonest with everything that doesn't directly support his point.

[@michaelmorey6686]

To his credit it’s a difficult answer, and it appears he struggles with reconciling the conflict. I think the answer is simple, humans suck…we have always sucked.

[@starfishsystems]

​@@michaelmorey6686 It's not at all difficult to answer,but you're an honest person. If a piece of writing is substantially fiction, just say so. If you don't know whether it's substantially fiction, just say "I don't know." If you can't support your claim with evidence, just admit that and stop offering the claim.

[@vcavallo9878]

I knew he was dishonest when he made that dishonest movie

[@dyvel]

@vcavallo9878 that movie was not just dishonest, it was completely fake. Just like the director of the movie stated. But I originally did not know that he was the lunatic who made it.

[@dyvel]

@michaelmorey6686 some more than others apparently

[@yeskimkim]

Alex is borderline cheating here, using logic just makes too much sense and is so hard to dispute. Should be illegal in such debates as it’s just too powerful and sensible

[@briley2177]

What?!?! Using logic is cheating?!?! I’ve never heard…. Ahhhhh, I gotcha didn’t I? 😂

[@jfurl5900]

Yeah , your right it is cheating , using the truth to defeat the one book that says it has the truth as it's baseline , so unfair.

[@almcdermid9669]

Yeah, using facts and logic to dispute nonsense is so unfair, I almost feel sorry for D'Souza. 🤣

[@paksallion]

When there's clear contradictions which Christians seem to hide away from then in a debate like this they become exposed. So long as the person asking the questions doesn't allow the other person to deflect which is what usually happens then its stripped down like it has been here. He doesn't seem to have had the same success against Islamic scriptures but I've seen him try.

[@miltonhershenov7865]

the religious guy is full of it like all religious people.

[@jdilla999]

FACTS

[@sypherthe297th2]

When it comes to Dinesh, you cannot fathom how deep that well runs. He is truly exceptional in both the stupidity and dishonesty you find in Christian circles.

[@Jakker271]

Full of what? You don't understand that we were give a moral law, because most people are immoral. Is that wrong? What do you think happens to the world when you remove morality? The funny thing is when people say we're all the same; when clearly we're not. Why? Because some think to cheat. Some think to pervert. Some look to rule over etc etc.

[@charliecoley2423]

Exactly My wife come from a very religious family so I go to church with her sometime and listen to the preacher tell lies it’s painful for me to support my wife with this fake religious crap 😮

[@zacshifler]

​@@charliecoley2423thats honestly crazy that you would think that way about the person youre married to. Do you ever consider maybe she ubderstands things that you dont/cant?

[@derekpierkowski7641]

You can't win an argument with someone who thinks fiction is an absolute truth.

[@CCmagee3]

And their proof is the fiction they believe. Talk about a circle jerk.

[@evilgrin07]

Why would anyone who has not been on earth longer than a century argue about a book that has stood the test of time for centuries! lol You think 2000 years form now Spiderman will have multiple religions with millions of followers....Atheist simply do not have the understanding as it is said in the bible...they are blinded....

[@CCmagee3]

@@evilgrin07 Yes, that is an awesome argument. So, you must also believe Hinduism has also stood the test of time seeing that it's been around for four thousand years. That's twice as long as the Bible.

[@derekpierkowski7641]

@evilgrin07 no I think with in 50 years , religions will have erased the human race. 🖕🏻

[@taylorhickman84]

@@evilgrin07 "Why would anyone who has not been on earth longer than a century argue about a book that has stood the test of time for centuries!" cause there's this thing we possess called "critical thinking" why so many versions if it stood the test of time? I'm sure you question other religions that have been around for centuries...

[@reveivl]

"yes and no". "That IS a contradiction." "No, it's not." What a clown.

[@CynicalBastard]

Relax. Being an adult means living in a world of contradictions.

[@ttaylor6185]

Yes in one sense. No in another. That’s not a contradiction.

[@StuartRowlands-gm4qr]

​@@ttaylor6185Fair point, but when did he say "yes, in one sense, but not in another" and was clear on what those senses are?

[@AudunWangen]

It's both, in a metaphorical sense 🤣

[@TWANDTW]

"Well, it is and it isn't, if you understand what I mean..."

[@theaccentedguy1505]

Alex, you're a friggin Gem. Your logical God of a man. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@speedlinereuropeltd2857]

The tap dance is strong in this one !!!!!!

[@ScottSavageTechnoScavenger]

Hahahahah

[@CCmagee3]

It has to be with a Christian.

[@j-us-t_be-in-g]

What tap dance?! Dinesh critically answered the questions. WTF are you talking about?! Lol. Y'all are just looking for a winner but this was a great discussion.

[@speedlinereuropeltd2857]

@ didn't look for a winner. Alex won the min he sat down talking to Dinesh and started talking about his delusional faith.

[@JorgeFCR2502]

Did this omniscient, perfect, flawless being know that this book was going to be confusing as hell?

[@YuriUzliam]

I love that D'Souza is both unbearably arrogant but also has just enough self awareness to realise he's totally out of his depth with Alex. It's a thing of beauty.

[@kennethmckenzie294]

If God exists, even He doesn't want Dinesh on his side!....

[@briley2177]

Or… god is really the evil one?

[@almcdermid9669]

​@@briley2177Proposition confirmed.

[@watashiSANE]

You two should wake up before ya'll get more in to the rabithole

[@JeffreyIsbell]

I bet Dinesh takes a WIDE arc around any encounters with Alex after this!

[@handl3869]

2000 mule lengths, I would imagine.

[@LarryThePhotoGuy]

@@handl3869 How many cubits is that? 😉

[@mikehill1114]

Nah, he came out of this thinking he won.

[@Goneforgoodflsh]

@@handl3869 i love you 😂😂

[@nickbasslondon]

- Hi, I'm D'Souza! - Hi! What you do for a living? - I embarass myself by losing in debates with some of the most intelligent atheists out there!!

[@williammorris543]

The cringey way that religious persons willfully delude themselves in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary makes me despair for the survival of our species. 🤕

[@derekpierkowski7641]

Hear Hear!👍🏻 like the unchecked exponential growth of technology, bad things are multiplying faster than good things occurring. Hence the end of the human primate is eminent.

[@eldridgedavis]

ikw you mean

[@babthew]

atheists think they understand the world

[@JohnWilliams-zu8wg]

And exactly where is your "overwhelming evidence to the contrary?"

[@upaiaq]

I normally don't scream at my computer but D'Souza brings it out, he's willfully ignorant , intellectually dishonest and refuses to answer questions.

[@wesleygarvin8513]

I've never been impressed by any apologist

[@jfurl5900]

Iv'e never been impressed by any apologists since I left school and they couldn't beat me any more.

[@GuessWhoAsks]

@@jfurl5900 What about the apologist that beat you also "impressed" you, or were you implying that you have a medical condition that allowed the beatings to leave physical indentations in your skin as a play-on-word/double-meaning type joke?

[@GoogleIsNotYourFriend]

As a non-theist, credit were credit is due, William Lane Craig is pretty good at it. Convinced? No. But impressed. Sure. He actually has a foundation in philosphy, he can reason and remain coherent...unlike most of the new christian apologists.

[@ronaldlindeman6136]

@@GoogleIsNotYourFriend William Lane Craig chooses who he debates carefully. I might say that he selects 'Science Atheists' to debate and stays away from 'Age of Enlightenment Atheists.'

[@JamesRichardWiley]

The Bible is contradictions from beginning to end.

[@michaelmorey6686]

Yep…human growth, development, perspective, knowledge, is highly contradicting. In my opinion, that is what brings validity to the Bible. If the Bible were perfect, it might suggest there were more alterations of the narrative, or made up entirely. We have two examples of the same war in Kings and Chronicles, there are differences between them because they were written by different sides of the war. You send an army knowing you have 1000 soldiers you are going to record 1000 soldiers. You see a massive army approaching you might say “omg there are 10,000 soldiers at our gates.” Bible was written by individuals with their own perspectives, personalities, experiences, and it WILL be reflected in their writings. It can’t be avoided unless altered in some way.

[@robertolanzone]

First of all, in your example, you could say "there is a number of people" without making up numbers. But as Alex repeatedly states, these contradictions in the gospels more often than not come right before a "and thus this prophecy about the Messiah was fulfilled" (in one case even making up a prophecy that wasn't in the Old Testament either). Meaning, evidently the writers just decided to write Jesus did things that fulfill prophecies when he actually didn't. That doesn't scream "authenticity" to me...

[@paulbeardsley4095]

@@michaelmorey6686 Classic "heads I win" argument. If the accounts had been consistent, you'd be saying, "How did they know? They knew because they were divinely inspired!"

[@michaelmorey6686]

Is it alright for the gospel writers to be wrong, especially with stories with which people may or may not have been present? Who did Matthew and Luke talk with to get their information about Jesus’ childhood? I’d assume Luke at least didn’t talk directly to Jesus about his childhood. If Luke is trying to connect his narrative to prophecy maybe he is looking specifically for information that pertains to prophecy and is influenced thusly. How are we viewing scripture? As needing to be perfect? As being written by a supernatural being? These people writing may have experienced something socially and religiously, profound, so profound that it has disrupted the lives of a majority of people they know, and or writing to make sense of everything Based on the information and experiences they have.

[@michaelmorey6686]

Would I? Maybe at one point in my life. Not now though. I was raised Christian, 7 different denominations, full spectrum of beliefs, from the cultish to more ‘reasonable.’ I have undergraduate degrees in History and Religion, went to seminary for 5 years for a masters of divinity and theology (a 4 year degree though), then masters in mental health, and now phd in psychology and counseling. All that to say, student loan debt sucks 😬 For real though, I do not view the Bible as perfect, nor accurate always, nor morally right in all contexts, but revealing truth about humanity and truth yes. First 5 books of the Bible, how objectively accurate are they? Well, even if Moses wrote some of it, by the time it was written, the influence of the Egyptian culture would have still been engrained into their culture, behaviors, and beliefs. There is no reference to the Israelites just magically changing their mindsets. And it takes generations for such influences to be removed from a people. These were just people. They claim to have interacted with the divine, built a relationship with the divine, and I currently believe there is a possibility that they did. I admit I could be wrong. I have doubts all the time. But the more I search in different veins of life the more I am drawn to that belief. I believe if God does exist there is no way we can truly understand what ‘He’ is or how He interacts with humanity. I believe there is a scientific explanation for everything, we just don’t have the full picture. But I do not believe the Bible is a book of science, but a work of dozens of people over thousands of years trying to make sense of existence in the midst of relating to a divine figure they cannot fully understand.

[@DaveCM]

D'Souza claims it doesn't matter. It kind of does. Especially given that the majority of Christians think the Bible was "breathed" by God. They think it is his infallible word. If it has mistakes or contradictions, it cannot be "God's perfect and infallible word".

[@dentonhahn2907]

I don't know of any contradiction, only miss interpretation and not studying. When we say "God breathed" it is not talking about the historical record, if you study you find God breathed being how it is brought by the Holy spirit.

[@DaveCM]

@dentonhahn2907 There absolutely are lots of contradictions in the Bible. To say there isn't requires ignorance or twisting of scripture. I was raised Evengelical. I was taught my whole life that the Bible was the perfect and infallible word of God and that it was "breathed" by God. And what was meant by that is God told man what to write. And not only does it have lots of contradictions, it is not the word of any God. It is impossible.

[@dentonhahn2907]

@DaveCM I am interested in your contradicts, please give one. It is unfortunate that you would be told that, more so that you would not be able understand what that means, ( that sounds rather harsh, I asur you I mean it with most respect)

[@DaveCM]

@dentonhahn2907 First of all, they address one in the video. There are two stories about Jesus and the fig tree that contradicts. There are conflicting stories about the birth of Jesus and what occurred. There are contradicting creation stories. Mark 15:37-39 and Luke 23:45-46 describe the same event in a different order. The occurrences at Jesus' tomb. On if you can see God and live or not. Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother…” - Deuteronomy 27:22 yet the Bible is full of incest including Abraham. On how generations are to be punished for the sins of a father. I can keep going. If you think there are no contradictions, you are delusional or willingly ignorant. And I do know what it means. I am willing to wager that I've read and studied the Bible more than you have. And, it wasn't just what I was told. The denomination required accepting it to be a member. That is why I pulled out of seminary. (I was going to be a pastor with the plan to earn a PhD.) My denomination was not alone. The Southern Baptist believe the same as well as most evangelical denominations.

[@almcdermid9669]

​@@dentonhahn2907Genesis 1 vs Genesis 2, both of which are inaccurate.

[@galvanaut7119]

It must be nice to just at a whim claim that something either is "metaphorical" or "literal" just whenever it helps your claim. It makes for a tidy unfalsifiability.

[@briley2177]

Heads I win, tails you lose.

[@lightatthecape2009]

SO you are only interested in those things that fit your opinion?.

[@galvanaut7119]

@@lightatthecape2009 Why are you putting words in my mouth. I didn't say or imply that. I made a critical observation of D'Souza's flawed logic that you can't defend. That does not 'fit' coherent logic. This is not an opinion.

[@HCMCDrives]

This was a really difficult watch. The older guy seems incredibly underprepared about the topic of the debate, and constantly waffles on and tries to steer the conversation to what he wants to talk about. Credit to the young guy for asking direct, specific questions.

[@richierich3194]

If it was the literal word of God, the Bible would not contradict itself. That is a fact.

[@hanialhalaluyahuah222]

No it isn't...all man's words and you've been told it is but if you actually do some research of your own you'll find out differently!!

[@8eyes]

​​ @hanialhalaluyahuah222 I was told that the bible is an book of eye witness accounts. So please educate me. Who was the eye witness who saw god literally create the universe in genesis1 and 2? Pennywise?

[@hanialhalaluyahuah222]

@@8eyes àgain... someone says from eye witness accounts...yet most of it plagiarized from several different ancient manuscripts...hmm!!

[@drewmog123456]

Well said. And of course it isn’t the word of god because there isn’t one.

[@gauthierlagrange490]

To be fair, the Bible doesn’t claim to be the direct word of god, the Quran does. The Bible completely admits that it was written by men that either witnessed or were told about what happened from witnesses, so SOME small contradictions are to be expected as not everyone will remember things the same. However you can point out bigger contradictions, especially when a Christian does cherry picking or calls the book perfect. My favorite moment is when Dinesh tries to make the claim that the Bible made a scientific claim that was correct talking about the Big Bang, as the Bible says the universe Began, but then Alex immediately destroys that by pointing out that right after it says that the earth was created before the sun, which doesn’t make the text stronger in the metaphorical sense, and is of course completely wrong.

[@conscientiamngo]

Luke going around, interviewing people still funny ...😂

[@CYRUs-e5u]

You have the patience of Job . Personally I can't tolerate a christian apologist for more than 3 minutes. I don't suffer fools kindly. An apologist is a professional liar

[@r0ky_M]

TBH. Alex's opponent comes across not as professional but rather amateurish, but typical of many apologists.

[@GD-Personal]

Who is Job?

[@CYRUs-e5u]

@@GD-Personal every day you go to bed, thank the gods and stars for your innocence🙏🙏

[@eldridgedavis]

​@GD-Personal a dude from the Bible that god screwed over lol

[@Pho-KingSoupTonechasr]

I could never get past Adam and Eve's sons finding wives.

[@hotrodandrube9119]

Or that if eve didn't commit the original sin in the garden of eden, there's no need for Jesus to come and absolve the original sin for believers.

[@ROLEPLAYA64]

for me it was that Eve is technically a clone of Adam... You're mother and father are the same person? :)

[@StuartRowlands-gm4qr]

​@@hotrodandrube9119And to think that babies are "born in sin"!! Why don't apologists realise the delusion here?

[@eldridgedavis]

I never got past god not knowing that there was a serpent in the garden to begin with.. I mean he's supposed to know everything right? He's supposed to have the power or foreknowledge correct? He's supposed to know things that are going to happen before they happen. So how in the world did he miss that??

[@Pho-KingSoupTonechasr]

@@eldridgedavis Maybe he was high that day?

[@ruirodtube]

2:46 DeSouza called it “trivial” now realising it’s in fact extremely relevant and being completely destroyed! 😅

[@zakriver4819]

The true test of authenticity is they got things wrong? Seriously? Try that in any court of law.

[@starfishsystems]

That's like saying "my data is really noisy, that's how I know it's authentic." There is such a thing as suspiciously clean data, that's fine. But you can't derive a contrapositive from that, because there's also such a thing as suspiciously dirty data.

[@elainejohnson6955]

Dinesh is constantly moving the goal posts and still missing!!! Thanks, Alex!

[@kasarabian3274]

Same as Jordan Peterson.

[@mikehill1114]

Christians: the bible is error free and has no contradictions. Also christians: that contraction is trivial, so who cares

[@chrisworthman3191]

Anything inconvenient is metaphor, how convenient. They claim this garbage is the inspired word of god.

[@G_Demolished]

The endgame is the entirety of the book being one big metaphor.

[@dentonhahn2907]

No it is not metaphor, Many folk do not understand fully how to explain or understand, that doesn't mean it is metaphor. For instance this particular topic, Connor is totally missing key points like the wise men didn't come at the birth of Christ but much later, there for it says they found the" young child " not baby. Very simple, Luke was not a eyewitnesses he tells us in the beginning he is giving an account of those who have seen and were witness of these things.

[@G_Demolished]

@@dentonhahn2907 You’re missing that Luke didn’t write Luke.

[@chrisworthman3191]

@dentonhahn2907 It is made up nonsense open to interpretation. 35000 sects suggests that you guys can't even agree among themselves what that absurd book means. By your standards of evidence all religions are true because their books say they are.

[@dentonhahn2907]

@G_Demolished no sir, you can go back and look at the council and see that the books of the gospels were indeed written by the names we have on them. I could see you making that tired old claim on any of the others, but Luke indeed says exactly who he is, he is not one of the 12, or even one who was with Jesus, rather he writes what he has been given by those who were eyewitnesses, he is writing to a fellow Theopolis.

[@joshuabell7761]

If God is not the author of confusion, then why do we need apologists?

[@DaddyZeke4587]

Is Dinesh actually trying to say that the gospels were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke (the physician) and John? I don't think any biblical scholar thinks that. I don't think he has any idea what he's doing. If I weren't already an atheist, watching Dinesh's frantic and pitiful apologetics would convert me. It's painful to watch him.

[@MaximoToro]

The mental gymnastics Dinesh has to perform to somewhat sort of but not really make a point is WILD 😂

[@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084]

It sounds odd when Dinesh says ''what the bile is trying to say'' considering the bible is not one book but a collection of many books put together decided by a committee, so whatever it was ''trying to say'' was either lost or decided on by people much later.

[@jfurl5900]

I think you got it right the first time with "bile" .

[@TheCollabCurator]

One of these two gentlemen can completely unprepared for an intelligent conversation.

[@LibraryofMímir]

HOPEFULLY some day we will outgrow the need for Religions. How do we as humanity spend so much energy on Fiction?

[@EmmanuelAngeloPorras-o2o]

Alex is an example of great reasoning. That is why I 'll admired him.

[@danielnooney4105]

"This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom. And it will come as an unpleasant shock to many that the God of Israel, Jehovah, had a female consort and that the early Israelite religion adopted monotheism only in the waning period of the monarchy and not at Mount Sinai. Most of those who are engaged in scientific work in the interlocking spheres of the Bible, archaeology and the history of the Jewish people - and who once went into the field looking for proof to corroborate the Bible story - now agree that the historic events relating to the stages of the Jewish people's emergence are radically different from what that story tells." Deconstructing the walls of Jericho Tel Aviv University Professor Ze'ev Herzog

[@bobidstein9107]

Always remember that Xtian Apologetics is inherently about convincing the choir. 😊

[@all4fitz]

@@bobidstein9107 Xtian?? I've used this term for so long but never see it anywhere. Thank you.

[@rabbitpirate]

Ah yes, the classic "the words don't mean what the words mean" response, very good Dinesh, very convincing.

[@BrixyBrixhamite]

There is a pretty big contradiction in the bible that I never really see mentioned. The bible describes God as "good", yet the scriptures state that more than any other character in the books god creates multiple acts that would normally be described as evil (murder, genocide, chemical warfare, biological warfare, torture, the list just goes on), and whilst the bible describes Satan as evil, it has to be stated that this is the way God made him (and that includes any powers Satan is said to have - all provided by the creator of those powers).

[@SterlingTate]

Nothing is trivial if people think it's the inerrant infallible word of God that is the same yesterday today and forever. Way to press the issue Alex. Kudos.

[@RealDealDude]

"They contradict each other because they are written by four different people!" If the gospels were an accurate account, they couldn't possibly conflict, they would agree. There may be some disparate details, but the gospels narrate different accounts of the same event (allegedly).

[@forkthepork]

Exactly: divinely inspired, yet completely different. Did god change his mind?

[@paultimson6674]

​@@forkthepork there are four gospel, instead of one. For a reason. In Ezekiel there is a four headed beast. This beast represents the four gospels. Lion, Eagle, bull, man. each gospel is describing Jesus in four different ways - Man, Servant, King, GOD. each is different to address many people. The Gospel of Matthew gives the disposition of the jews at the end times. I would ignore the gospel of Matthew as i am not Jewish. I have three other gospels i can read. If i read MATTHEW. i will be confused. As its intended for ISRAEL. So if i do read it. I should not apply it to myself. This is why Luke might ignore a jewish matter. He is the gospel for the gentiles. It would be simpler to have one gospel, no conflicts. But these conflicts are added deliberately To lead you to other topics quote - In this quotation by Napoleon, we see that the part that really resembles: “The Bible is no mere book, but it’s a living creature with a power that conquers all who oppose it,” is: “The gospel is not a book: it is a living being, with an action, a power, which invades everything that opposes its extension.” I would hasten to say that this is where we get his famous quote on the Bible. end quote - The Teramorph being described in the bible in Ezekiel.

[@richierich3194]

I agree if it was the word of God. There would only be one word. And that would be the word of God.

[@Magnusfication]

​@@richierich3194 gotta prove any god exists before being able to make claims about what it would or wouldnt say and do.

[@Sandra_D.9]

Gospel is another word for: gossip spread around by people on a bad mushroom trip once they were done roaming the desert and went back to the villages to do the job of telling the story

[@erdi950]

The words "medical doctor" meant something different in those days than it does today. You shouldn't use that term.

[@ruirodtube]

12:26 WATCH the symptoms of a person going through “belief perseverance” which consists of maintaining a belief despite evidence that firmly contradicts it.

[@MusoStuu]

A year ago, Alex was debating this subject with little knowledge, he’s sounding more and more formidable now, he’s reading the text, the scriptures, very very clearly, it absolutely fabulous to listen to. I’m such a nerd, a geek, and I have known about these discrepancies for so many years, but to see them highlighted/elevated to such a media point, it’s absolutely great, these Christians really do need to hear this!!

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Its a waste of time arguing about Jesus or what the bible is "supposed" to say. What matters is we have no way of investigating this thing people call God.

[@drwho9319]

Luke says that after birth of Jesus, family fled to Egypt, Mathew said they fled to the Jerusalem temple. Both are true. Not a contradiction. You can be born, and go to different places, in different periods of time within the same timeline of being a baby.

[@masiya3802]

Dinesh is a comedian 🤣

[@davidjones8965]

….not particularly funny, though.

[@jgallone]

He's also a criminal that committed campaign finance fraud.

[@masiya3802]

@@jgallone I can tell he's a scammer from the way he argues

[@L1Games]

0:53 he's speaking as if Luke actually wrote Luke. The gospels were not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. They were written later, by anonymous authors, and named after them. This alone invalidates his argument.

[@Truthin15]

🤦‍♂️

[@muller07]

So...a guy that heard what another dude heard wrote this book? And you believe it was god?

[@ZirvmoFringe]

You would think that after a thousand plus years someone would have edited the bible and just removed all of the contradictory and improbable parts. It would be a very short book but it would at least be slightly more plausible. Slightly.

[@giyantube]

Saying the Bible is fact is like saying the movie Star Wars is based on a true story.

[@halbleavy9900]

... but no one screams out the name Obi Won when that chest gets tight.

[@paulfrancis9129]

Extraordinary how all these miracles happened before cameras were invented an nothing since. Remarkable

[@babthew]

they also stopped before they existed. it's like atheists are thinking as if they are God. You can't think like God in theory even if you don't believe in one.

[@brys.3131]

I have never seen a worm wiggle so much when asked such a simple direct question lol

[@sglaser001]

The ridiculously wide bandwidth of reinterpretations is a pretty compelling argument to not believe. Religion is a vehicle for human control over others. It can mean whatever the powers in charge want. Dinesh has an impossible task in this debate, but he chooses, in what seems to me, dishonorable tactics.

[@micolislongis5558]

If it weren't for Americans we in the west would not be having any of these ridiculous conversations.

[@colinlavery625]

Quite right.

[@curtbressler3127]

they contradict themselves just as much as the bible contradicts itself. "There are no contradictions in the bible" to "Of course there are contradictions, it was written by multiple different authors!"

[@danthsmith]

Don’t live by some old book you have to cherry pick and avoid the embarrassing bits

[@johnduffy3878]

Classic Christian response: #1 "who the heck cares" #2 "I'm not aware of this passage/ contradiction" The same people who tell you (incessantly) That Jesus is the messiah, are the same people that don't care about Jesus actually fulfilling the requirements of the messiah!

[@tyinva1212]

7:40.... yes, that's exactly what he is saying!!! A contradiction is a contradiction no matter how big or small. A lie is a lie no matter how big or small. I'm blown away at his lack of intelligence

[@DanRagoo]

It’s obvious you can’t go to the temple and Egypt in one child’s lifetime. Not possible.

[@EddyGordo21]

This is what you get when you present facts and rationale against faith and obfuscation.

[@johnfulton4952]

These are the conversations that snapped me out of my religious upbringing when I was about 17. It’s obvious that religious people are starting with the conclusion that their religion is true, rather than arrive at that conclusion through sequential progress. It’s as though they have woken up from a coma not remembering or knowing anything other than they believe Jesus is the son of god. Confirmation bias is the oldest logical fallacy because it is the one mankind is perfectly wired to want to commit.

[@babthew]

how do you believe something if you never consider it to be true in the first place

[@johnfulton4952]

@ deep down inside you know it’s not true

[@babthew]

@@johnfulton4952 but that's how the human brain operates. You have an initial opinion on it and then you try to confirm your opinion. It is impossible to look at something completely biased. Some atheist would see that have it pop up in their mind, or after an accumulation of thoughts, that the "God" they worship is not real. They would then try to prove that there is no "God".

[@johnfulton4952]

@@babthew Our first opinions are often drummed into us by our parents. You almost certainly have religious parents. Many many atheists were religious and were NOT looking for evidence that contradicts their religious beliefs. But through slow, painstaking process they reasoned out of their belief in Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, etc. sometimes new information is presented that puts everything else into perspective. Your religious parents may not have ever told you, there are a hundred billion stars in just our galaxy, and there are a hundred billion galaxies. Let’s keep it real here. What are the odds the creator of all of this had nothing better to do but go to earth 2,000 years ago and turn water into wine? You really think Christianity, the religion of talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking burning bushes, is the word of god? It’s human made. If you insist on believing otherwise, that’s fine, but you don’t have reason and logic in your side. The Bible says the earth came before the sun. That’s scientifically disproven. The Bible says water came before the sun. That is scientifically disproven. It says when Jesus died all the graves of Jerusalem opened and all the dead walked the streets. Then of course Jesus was resurrected and walked the streets too. I wonder if the others went back to their graves? Or did they hang out at coffee shops. Were they decomposed? Resurrections were such a classic story driven giveaway back then. Reminds of Oprah: “you get a resurrection and you get a resurrection!!” This stuff cannot be believed by a thinking person:

[@weskal5490]

Dinesh was cornered and squirmed.

[@harrisric128]

How Dinesh is able to get speaking engagements at this point is beyond me... He's actually just bad at it.

[@dancingdan1994]

who the heck cares" why anyone who fought and died for testifting that this is the true word of god

[@LittleDragonNow]

You have to believe that the belief is believed to be believed by the belief of belief if you believe the belief to be believed..

[@sharbear4248]

Somehow D’Souza ended up in the wrong weight class. He was painfully outmatched.

I'm sure a lot of other books of fairy stories are full of contradictions

[@williamwatson4354]

Wasn't it Matthew that said they went to Egypt?

[@fabioabreu8750]

I graduated in Protestant theology in 2005. I still remember my New Testament theology - or should I say theologies???!!! - and Biblical exegesis classes. My professor at the time laughed at the attempts of allegedly "more pious" students who tried to treat mythological narratives as descriptions of historical facts. Not understanding that myth has a deeper meaning than the narrative of historical positivity is simply risible. Bultmann and his school - and not only them! - turn in their graves with this type of discussion. But, yeah, D'Souza is quite stupid.

[@dervalgraham3392]

How does one reconcile what Hosea 11 says beyond the first verse, with the prophetic fulfillment stated in Luke?

[@user-bg3dq1fu8v]

Been window shopping this bad boy from the home window for five and a half minutes and had to accept the Ad 😂😂 this can only get better, Alex is always on point

[@buzzardluck]

Just remember D'nesh was chsrged with a felony.

[@BB-rh2ml]

Just remember D'nesh was CONVICTED of a felony

[@wookieeb]

Regarding the Luke and Matthew accounts of Jesus birth and early childhood, there are no contradictions. Alex doesnt get his books right, and neither he nor Dinesh seems to have actually read the accounts or be familiar with them. Matthew covers events before Jesus birth in his Chapter 1. All he mentions about the birth itself is in one verse, which happens to be the first, in Chapter 2. He merely states that Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Then Matthew covers events after the birth, including the visit by the popularized 'Magi" that probably occured up to 2 years after the birth based on the behavior of Herod. It was after this visit that Joseph took the family to Egypt. (whom Alex incorrectly ascibes to Luke). After some time, Matthew then notes that they eventually move from Egypt to Galilee. Luke covers some events prior to Jesus birth about Elizabeth and Mary, and more detail as to the actual birth and events of that day. It was shepherds that visited Jesus on the night of his birth. The 'Magi' visit of Matthew would happen much later. Luke then records of having Jesus being circumscised 8 days later. And then after at least 40 days after the birth, per the Law of Moses, Joesph and Mary along with Jesus visited the Temple in Jerusalem for purification sacrifices. Luke records some interactions of what occured there. Luke then is very abbreviated in stuff that from that point up till Jesus is 12 years old. Basically he just notes that the family moves to Galilee. There is no contracdiction in the two accounts, and there is very little overlap of the same event being covered between the two. I can appreciate that Alex, despite his atheistic bias, is honestly trying to put forward a contradiction as he sees it. But the problem is he is basing it on a popularized version of the story rather then the events as the Bible actually presents them. The popularized version is wrong. If he actually knew the writing, he wouldn't make the mistake of attributing something to Luke that should be with Matthew and getting the details wrong. He would see there is no contradicton there. Dinesh, perhaps unfortunately, comes off even worse. He tries to defend something he clearly knows nothing about (which he even said he didnt recall the details), and his defense comes off as desperate and dismissive. It was all bluster.

[@Nicomachean_Man]

This is the correct answer. I was mightily confused by the presentation of the contradiction in the first place. Any telling of events will necessarily not mention every single thing that happened. Another account which is more thorough or more broadly focused may include more or less of the chronological events. This is not a contradiction.

[@ChristisKing331]

God Bless Brother ❤️✝️☦️

[@seraphinaaizen6278]

What a slimy grifter D'Souza is. I am begging him to actually answer the friggin' question.

[@realLsf]

“I’m not aware of this contradiction”, says everything you need to know about the dishonesty of De Souza. There is no way he cannot be unaware of the differences between Matthew & Luke. It’s simply an excuse to avoid the blatantly obvious; they both can’t be true, casting doubt on the integrity of the text & the entirety of the New Testament

[@rabenvater2455]

This Alex O'Connor guy is really good at making a very clear point. What a refreshing voice in confronting religion.

[@mrmorpheus9707]

I never heard so much gymnastic double talking word salaad, bullshit in my life! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Sandra_D.9]

Alex O’Connor ❤

[@VelchinLab]

There's no contradiction between Matthew and Luke's accounts of Jesus' birth. According to Jewish law, a male child was brought to the temple 40 days after birth for purification (Luke 2:22-24). The magi, described in Matthew, arrived sometime later-potentially up to two years after Jesus’ birth. We know this because Herod ordered the killing of all male children two years and under based on the timing he learned from the magi (Matthew 2:16). This timeline fits perfectly and shows that the two accounts complement each other.

[@DanRagoo]

My mom told me she took me to the Church after I was born and my dad told me he took me to Yugoslavia to show me to my grandmother. Obviously one of them must be lying to me because you can’t do both.

[@BlueBarrier782]

It's a collection of many different works by many different authors over many different timespans and regions, with many different translations and versions. Of course there are contradictions.