'Do You Believe Jesus Died for Our Sins?’ Richard Dawkins Confronts Jordan Peterson

[@randyblackman6271]

Peterson is smart enough to understand what is being asked, but too dishonest to give a true answer.

[@denismijatovic1239]

Exactly

[@bjrnchrstn]

Yup… nothing more than a gameshow host.

[@catalhuyuk7]

JP is a dangerous MF! A lot of young men were following him. Don’t know if that’s still the case. Hopefully NOT!

[@TerryMcGearyScotland]

That is actually an interesting observation/opinion!

[@natmanprime4295]

he cant answer it cos his wifes a catholic 🤣🤣he'll get in trouble

[@krokigrygg]

Dawkins to Jordan at the dinner table: Can you please pass me the salt? Jordan answers: "Ah, you see, when you ask me if I can pass the salt, it’s deceptively simple, but it opens up a profound question. Because, on the surface, yes, I can pass the salt. But that’s the mundane layer. Beneath it, there's a much older, more mythological narrative at play." "To pass the salt is to participate in a shared ritual, a gesture of communion and trust. But in a way, it’s also about confronting and taming something primal-let’s say, a dragon. And why a dragon? Because a dragon, in myth, represents chaos, the unknown, a threat to order. When we engage in these simple acts-like passing salt-we’re enacting a kind of symbolic victory over that chaos. In medieval iconography, knights slay dragons not just as a feat of strength but as a victory of civilization over the wilderness, of meaning over the void." "Salt itself is a symbol with dual aspects: preservation and decay. It can ward off rot but, in excess, it can corrode. To handle it, to pass it, is to confront that paradox head-on, a bit like facing the dragon. It’s like looking into the unknown and saying, 'I am willing to take on this responsibility, to bring order to the chaos around me.' In a small way, each act like this is a slaying of that dragon, a small victory for civilization and meaning over the forces that threaten to break them down." Passes the salt with a solemn look, as though entrusting you with a quest. Hands over salt shaker.

[@Fazmagarical]

Loved reading this, had me smiling. You should have put- Dawkins says ‘don’t worry, I’ll get it’ At the end 😂

[@AndreAngelantoni]

Brilliant.

[@johnwestcott5612]

You lose points for not using the phrase ‘metaphysical substrate.’

[@justvibin9887]

😂 oh my gosh, did you just write this?! This is pretty ingenious, and it made me smile and laugh. You’ve made me miss writing and being creative like this. I will be praying for you and I hope that you believe in Jesus! If you don’t, maybe the end times prophecies will compel you to pray and ask God to show you the truth. Because the world is looking very much like the way the Bible said it would in the last days. I say all of this with love, honestly I do and I hope that you’re having a wonderful day and I will pray for you right now! (I’m also always willing to respectfully discuss/debate this subject if that’s something you would be interested in!)

[@AntonioRivera-cy5en]

Peterson talking is insufferable.

[@woofhaver4826]

"Do you believe in God?" Dawkins: "No" Petersen:

[@nofairytales5604]

The more I see of Jordan Peterson in interviews, the more I'm not impressed with his evasive answers and views.

[@TheBanjaxer]

Peterson can talk for hours and yet say nothing.

[@Johnnystammy]

Well that depends on what you mean by talk for hours and yet say nothing? Because the thing is "what other choice do you have?".

[@jethrobradley7850]

But he's passionate. And sadly it's all about the "feels" these days.

[@TheBanjaxer]

@@JohnnystammyYeah, just like that.

[@frankylampard3931]

What do you mean by "can" , what do you mean by "talk" and what do you mean by "nothing"

[@rinmlo]

All he does is obfuscate. The more he talks, the more he obfuscates.

[@AntoineGrangier]

Dawkins is royal in his simplicity. Love him. No fancy stuff. Straight to the point. Gorgeous.

[@planes3333]

@grayy10k 3 years ago (edited) He's the type of professor where you won't say a WORD in his class. Undivided attention and respect 18K Reply 128 replies this is a comment on Jordan Peterson. Notice the 18k likes in his honor

[@planes3333]

How does Dawkins explain the birth of time, space and matter coming into existence at the same time? Its kind of an odd thing to think about the birth of time though I must admit. Must be some amazing power to create such a thing as blue whales, stars, humans and DNA, amazing world isnt it.

[@CodexPermutatio]

No fancy stuff... except for that magnificent tie he's wearing.

[@AntoineGrangier]

@@planes3333 Certainly. Some amazing power. The kind of power that doesn't give a damn about your sex life, about prayers, about your "sins", or about absurd "divine" theories tiny humans have

[@planes3333]

Do what you want its freedom of speech. We see buses driving around that say “ there is probably no God so why not enjoy your life” ……dont be silenced by the haters and the new atheists in their new religion. Remember atheism was the reason for the gulags, the great leap forward and the killing fields. Nietzsche and Dostoevsky both predicted the coming butchery from Stalin, Pot and Mao and the death toll reached from 70-100 million dead. That's 100,000,000 people massacred from three regimes and three men. Remember with “God is Dead” you get bloodshed. The Salem witch trials killed 7 the atheist regimes of the 20th century killed 70 million. Also Alexander Solzenitzyn wrote about the insane evil massacres in his book the “Gulag Archipelago” which is now required reading in Russia and by the way it basically brought down the communist/atheistic soviet union. Atheists many of whom are brilliant and than there are those who have not done the job of atheism and that is the seeking of all knowledge about all claims of this universe beginning. Some atheists are as bad as our Fred Phelps and Kenneth Copeland's. Even though we have our Ravi Zacharias's and Stephen Meyers and John Lennox. keep preaching man Jesus commanded it but be wise, dont throw your pearls to pigs.. Also how can an atheist have an opinion on what good or bad is, is that not just a matter of opinion? From where do they derive their actual morals and values from? Society? well I would hate to be a jew during the German final solution during that time in that warped society, oh and your not like that are you? Wait and see what you go along with, or are you already pro abortion.

[@FerventApathy]

When a psuedo-intellectual has to actually defend himself against actual intellectuals... golden video. Well done to Alex, he did so well.

[@greekmacedonianwegreeksare6035]

You're projecting the fact that Dawkins is the pseudointellectual to Peterson and you're further embarrassing yourself by hilariously coping and seething. You're malding, you're seething you're graying and coping.

[@cvdavis]

@@greekmacedonianwegreeksare6035Quite the contrary. Dawkins is the intellectual.

[@cvdavis]

Peterson is a post modernist. In that I mean he talks in riddles that don’t always make sense. Being obfuscations and trying to sound profound by confusing the lay man person. Much of his discussion or answers are vacuous while using superfluous language. He doesn’t want to offend his religious followers and dances around the issue without actually giving a meaningful answer. Einstein said genius is the ability of saying something complex in a simple way. Peterson does quite the opposite. He sounds like Foucault who himself was full of crap yet revered by his followers.

[@steve8551]

I find Jordan to be utterly exhausting. He simply cannot answer a simple question directly. "I don’t know how to mediate the fact value dichotomy in that case" what a bullshit artist .

[@wjs1]

Totally agree

[@chiefchimp2789]

Peterson is a classic charlatan. He's making millions of dollars doing speaking tours to mindless "intellectual types".

[@leannekudahl2432]

A politician. 🙄

[@fredbmurphy]

JP is about to enter a world of hurt when he can bo longer play Trudeau's victim when the Conservatives win the next federal election.

[@jiminverness]

Oh, he's great, legendary on his strengths. Religion/logical anaylis of religion is *not* one of his strengths.

[@JustSomeGuy]

Dawkins: "Did this thing happen?" Peterson: "I don't feel qualified to say if it happened but I know it happened."

[@--Snowy--]

It reminds me of that Ancient Aliens guy: "I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens..." 😂

[@vanobe5853]

@@JustSomeGuy "it depends on who's paying my salary"

[@midwinterwinds]

Btw big fan of ur channel

[@bobbydigz9250]

Is that your answer to the question that you don't know? JP Blah blah blah I'm not qualified to answer that question because my knowledge ends there!

[@MapleGoodness]

To me it seems more "I do not believe it happened, but saying so would undermine my appeal to a large portion of my paying fan base, so I must deflect at all costs".

[@lucifer3707]

The video is basically 16 minutes of trying to get Jordan to answer a yes or no question directly. Still hasn’t been answered

[@jacksonelmore6227]

The question is always being answered forever

[@bolence85]

Can you answer me yes or no question: Does your family know you're gay?

[@johnyharris]

Peterson: ""I can't account for what the fundamental reality and significance of the notion of resurrection is - my knowledge ends." Peterson Translator : "I want to believe resurrection is true but I know that it cannot possibly be and my ego and reputation will be ruined if I admit this"

[@dougieranger]

😂😂😂 Yes!

[@yoshkebenstadapandora1181]

If he won't admit Christ was resurrected, he is not a Christian.

[@unknownsamoan01]

@@yoshkebenstadapandora1181 good statement or question. In terms of Christianity and the resurrection and where Peterson’s knowledge ends… that’s where his faith is supposed to kick in… which he showed none of today.

[@призрак999]

Thanks captain O

[@jkm9332]

Sounds like he’s saying “I don’t know,” which sounds honest to me.

[@Rinsii-y6k]

Richard is just a logical and truthful as he has ever been. Peterson is playing the game of keeping hold to a fanbase.

[@Bbarfo]

That's how I see it too.

[@maaziy_ghaziyIYI]

Peterson is trained in the art of Zionism

[@mayhu3282]

Also, although RD's much older (83) he looks mentally youthful, bright and clear whereas JP (62) seems senile in his incoherent ramblings.

[@yogi2436]

Try to think conceptually a bit more boys.

[@zapkvr]

Petersen is a grifter. Like Stephanie Cupp or Bill Maher

[@henrycmiyu]

'you must understand what you're being asked here' 😂

[@qui_etes_vous]

hahahaha!

[@chrisgilliland105]

Listening to Peterson try to answer a question by just waffling for 15 minutes on a tangent is absolutely exhausting!

[@beefandbarley]

That’s his intention.

[@chiefchimp2789]

Another moron using "the weave" and winding up nowhere.

[@renacuajo4916]

I find it harder and harder to listen to his intentional rambling. I used to have SOME respect for him but not so much anymore. I just see him as mostly dishonest intellectually.

[@ElGuapo-d8n]

Richard is so patient to put up with him.

[@fbiagent6294]

JP is just another apologist evangelist. Which all of those types just throw out word salads and try to sound smart

[@vikdaddy]

Feynman said that if you understand something well enough to explain it simply e.g. to schoolchildren, then you truly understand the subject. This makes Peterson an expert in nothing.

[@wjs1]

That’s gold 👌

[@heldinahtmlhell]

An intellectual is supposed to take complex ideas and explain them simply. Most intellectuals take simple ideas and explain them complexly.

[@waukivorycopse2402]

When I was studying Electrical engineering my instructor said " An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing." Maybe he'd met Peterson?

[@kwamecharles6037]

@@waukivorycopse2402😂😂

[@rafaelnonato9891]

Professor Peterson's great strength is without a doubt his ability to dodge answering direct questions in a straightforward way. He will ramble and ramble and appeal to symbolism and any other tools which will take the conversation in a direction that he feels more comfortable with. Basically, he's a master in bullshitting his way out of any difficult situation!

[@ZorkoKnatahobnat-ei6lf]

Peterson is one of the best charlatans of last century. No 1 would be Deepak Chopra.

[@wjs1]

Spot on

[@prithviprakash1110]

The rate it which Peterson's going over the last few years he might just give Deepak Chopra a run for his money.

[@ZeuzBluez]

True that 👍

[@SammyC27]

lol, 100%. but some of Peterson's old talks were great - like the Peter Pan one. But now he's ego-maniac climate change denier Andrew Tate lover

[@charliefisher6380]

I see your Peterson and Chopra, I raise you an Elon Musk and a Donald Trump. (And I have a Boris Johnson hidden up my sleeve).

[@simeonorive145]

Christopher Hitchens wouldn’t have been as kind as Dawkins. I would have loved to have witnessed that debate.

[@arabie2006]

The late and great Christopher Hitchens would have floored and ruined Petersons career.

[@jordkinsmith3588]

I was thinking exactly that while watching this 😂 im actually glad I don’t have to see it because I quite like Peterson, but Hitchens would destroy him.

[@planes3333]

Hitchens spent his who life using his voice to curse God and Jesus! interesting that he acquired throat cancer and died. I guess God shut him right up. Interesting thing is that his brother converted and became a christian and he is doing great. Though I must confess smoking didnt help poor Christopher Hitchens esophagus either. Hopefully Hitchens repented in his last breaths. Hopefully he did not end up like Darwin, Lavey, Crowley and Voltaire. Jesus is KING

[@jordkinsmith3588]

@@planes3333 he pointed out the irony of that himself while simultaneously saying it was obviously just a coincidence. Which is exactly what it is. There is no God and no genuinely intelligent person believes there is. Believing in something with absolutely no proof is the mark of an idiot

[@TheAGNOSTIC_who_YT_CENSORS]

​@@planes3333 Interesting that your God prioritizes taking out Hitchens over Putin. You should be ashamed of yourself. Provide an argument or do the thing you claimed your insecure God personally did.

[@brianlevi9847]

Why is it that Peterson always gets to talk 10 times more than his opponent, but still never answers the f’n question?! 🤬

[@brianrichards3119]

A scary combo of insanity and babble

[@planes3333]

Do what you want its freedom of speech. We see buses driving around that say “ there is probably no God so why not enjoy your life” ……dont be silenced by the haters and the new atheists in their new religion. Remember atheism was the reason for the gulags, the great leap forward and the killing fields. Nietzsche and Dostoevsky both predicted the coming butchery from Stalin, Pot and Mao and the death toll reached from 70-100 million dead. That's 100,000,000 people massacred from three regimes and three men. Remember with “God is Dead” you get bloodshed. The Salem witch trials killed 7 the atheist regimes of the 20th century killed 70 million. Also Alexander Solzenitzyn wrote about the insane evil massacres in his book the “Gulag Archipelago” which is now required reading in Russia and by the way it basically brought down the communist/atheistic soviet union. Atheists many of whom are brilliant and than there are those who have not done the job of atheism and that is the seeking of all knowledge about all claims of this universe beginning. Some atheists are as bad as our Fred Phelps and Kenneth Copeland's. Even though we have our Ravi Zacharias's and Stephen Meyers and John Lennox. keep preaching man Jesus commanded it but be wise, dont throw your pearls to pigs.. Also how can an atheist have an opinion on what good or bad is, is that not just a matter of opinion? From where do they derive their actual morals and values from? Society? well I would hate to be a jew during the German final solution during that time in that warped society, oh and your not like that are you? Wait and see what you go along with, or are you already pro abortion.

[@jacobskovolsen9099]

Richard Please dont waste any more time on Jordan

[@planes3333]

@grayy10k 3 years ago (edited) He's the type of professor where you won't say a WORD in his class. Undivided attention and respect 18K Reply 128 replies this is a comment on Jordan Peterson. Notice the 18k likes in his honor

[@planes3333]

Do what you want its freedom of speech. We see buses driving around that say “ there is probably no God so why not enjoy your life” ……dont be silenced by the haters and the new atheists in their new religion. Remember atheism was the reason for the gulags, the great leap forward and the killing fields. Nietzsche and Dostoevsky both predicted the coming butchery from Stalin, Pot and Mao and the death toll reached from 70-100 million dead. That's 100,000,000 people massacred from three regimes and three men. Remember with “God is Dead” you get bloodshed. The Salem witch trials killed 7 the atheist regimes of the 20th century killed 70 million. Also Alexander Solzenitzyn wrote about the insane evil massacres in his book the “Gulag Archipelago” which is now required reading in Russia and by the way it basically brought down the communist/atheistic soviet union. Atheists many of whom are brilliant and than there are those who have not done the job of atheism and that is the seeking of all knowledge about all claims of this universe beginning. Some atheists are as bad as our Fred Phelps and Kenneth Copeland's. Even though we have our Ravi Zacharias's and Stephen Meyers and John Lennox. keep preaching man Jesus commanded it but be wise, dont throw your pearls to pigs.. Also how can an atheist have an opinion on what good or bad is, is that not just a matter of opinion? From where do they derive their actual morals and values from? Society? well I would hate to be a jew during the German final solution during that time in that warped society, oh and your not like that are you? Wait and see what you go along with, or are you already pro abortion.

[@stormriderkaos]

Hey Jordan: yelling doesn't make your weak and sometimes absurd arguments any better. If you wanna believe in magic with zero supporting evidence, please do so quietly. As the saying goes, it's better to keep quiet and let people wonder if you're brilliant than to speak up and remove all doubt.

[@planes3333]

@@stormriderkaos Do what you want its freedom of speech. We see buses driving around that say “ there is probably no God so why not enjoy your life” ……dont be silenced by the haters and the new atheists in their new religion. Remember atheism was the reason for the gulags, the great leap forward and the killing fields. Nietzsche and Dostoevsky both predicted the coming butchery from Stalin, Pot and Mao and the death toll reached from 70-100 million dead. That's 100,000,000 people massacred from three regimes and three men. Remember with “God is Dead” you get bloodshed. The Salem witch trials killed 7 the atheist regimes of the 20th century killed 70 million. Also Alexander Solzenitzyn wrote about the insane evil massacres in his book the “Gulag Archipelago” which is now required reading in Russia and by the way it basically brought down the communist/atheistic soviet union. Atheists many of whom are brilliant and than there are those who have not done the job of atheism and that is the seeking of all knowledge about all claims of this universe beginning. Some atheists are as bad as our Fred Phelps and Kenneth Copeland's. Even though we have our Ravi Zacharias's and Stephen Meyers and John Lennox. keep preaching man Jesus commanded it but be wise, dont throw your pearls to pigs.. Also how can an atheist have an opinion on what good or bad is, is that not just a matter of opinion? From where do they derive their actual morals and values from? Society? well I would hate to be a jew during the German final solution during that time in that warped society, oh and your not like that are you? Wait and see what you go along with, or are you already pro abortion.

[@Ornamentmountain]

@@jacobskovolsen9099 it’s not time wasting. Richard is a grifter making gains from this. You’re an idiot if you think this is beneath him. Also, Peterson is way smarter than you.

[@Marc010]

The fact Peterson won't directly answer it is the answer.

[@firstlast9478]

Peterson is not a religious scholar, and his admission is just him being honest. I wish he was better versed then he is in biblical debate topics so he had confidence in going head to head with Dawkins on his ridiculous questions and statements... Personally I would destroy Dawkins and people like him with factual scientific truths fired right back at them when they try and be smug. Really Simple... Dawkins: Do you believe in virgin birth?? Me: yes I do... And thanks to modern science, namely IVF, humans are playing God and doing what only God could do previously. I also believe in reconstruction surgeries using the rib and associated bodily material, namely stem cells, that are now being used in modern medicine practices to regrow all parts of the human body FROM A RIB BONE, which by the way regenerates itself if it is removed surgically. So I believe the creation story that is detailed in Genesis more so then I do any current "theory" detailed in modern "science" text books.

[@PhysicsGuy1000]

@@firstlast9478Dawkins would absolutely destroy you with hard facts.

[@firstlast9478]

@@PhysicsGuy1000 with "hard facts"... Like what?? Try me... Put forward any hard facts that you want me to reply to and I will happily oblige your curiosity as to what the debate would look like, and i am pretty confident that I will have you covered, using the scientific method of course (namely observable, repeatable, measurable experiments, and Occam's razor) for all my positions. I'm happy to respond to: The Bible in general. the bible vs science. Although this will require us defining what "science", "the scientific method", & "religious science or science as a religion" are in order to discuss who has taken the scientific position, and who is shouting religious dogma. (Trust me, the religious dogma is what Dawkins et al (Brian Cox, Neil de gras Tyson, Bill Nye, etc) use all the time). Creation of the universe, big bang theory vs intelligently designed creation according to Genesis. And how big bang theory is taken from the Genesis account and modified. Shape of the universe, being either the theoretical, big-bang, helio-centric, globe-earth, Darwinian-evolutionary model, vs other models of the universe, namely Genesis creation, and or simulation theory, and or multiverse theory, including the theory of relativity, etc, models. Darwinian Evolution vs biblical creation. Including real evolution and corruption, the great flood reset, population of the earth from Adam and Eve, and then from Noah and his descendants. Stating scientific observations and mathematical possibilities and probabilities for both in order to compare and discuss the chance of each possibility being actually true and correct. Evolution: modern science vs the bible: - Which side keeps changing their theories / opinions / lies, and which side has been consistent since it was written down the first time? - From rocks to all life on earth. - random mutation vs intelligent design. - from "1x pair of Adam & Eve couples" to today's populations for all animal species in existence today. - new species requirements for evolution to exist and then to procreate and replicate, and dominate, or at least survive and differentiate. eg from a random Adam (male) and a random Eve (female) mutation, at the same time in history, within 1-5km of each other, both mutations being fertile, and then successfully mateing to produce viable male and female offspring to then continue the new species genetic code, for each and every species on earth, including all the in between species that no longer exist, the time it takes for 1x random mutation, the probably of having 2x random mutations side by side in terms of time in history and location geographically, and both being of opposite breedable sex and gender, etc, basically equals Darwinian Evolution is mathematically impossible, as the time frames are to big for evolution to occur, but also at the same time, the time frames are to small for evolution to occur, it's a double whammy. - reverse engineering evolution, specifically being the reverse engineering of the human eye. Let's try to prove evolution to be true and correct by providing a reverse engineering approach of the human eye. I need you to nominate which part of the eye you want to remove from the evolutionary process last, being reverse chronological order, first. With the options being: the eye sockets, the eye lids, the eye lashes, the eye brows, the optic nerve, the brain, the eye muscles, the eye tendons, the tear ducts, the tears, the veins arteries and capillaries, the blood, the red cells, the white cells, the plasma, the iron and the oxygen, the water and the glucose, the electrolytes, and the waste, or the eye ball itself?? Then within the eyeball, we have the the actual eyeball tissue, the iris (including melanin), the pupil, the cornea, the lens, and the retina (including rods and cones), etc. This is of course noting that the human eye can only see about 0.0035% of the electromagnetic spectrum, being the part we call visible light, which lies between the infra-red & ultra-violet wave lengths. - reverse engineering evolution, being the reverse engineering of any complex life form, eg a human being, or any mammal, any aquatic mammal, any bird, any insect, any fish, any other animal species (you can choose) and also any flowering plant, and any other plant (you can choose). The history of the current "scientific" theories that are being taught in modern education systems world wide, and why they are based on an intentional lie(s), what the reason(s) for the lie(s) are, how they orchestrated these lies. The great hoaxes of space travel, NASA, the moon missions, the ISS, red bull space jump, etc. What this mis-information means in the world today? Please don't run and hide behind the internet, please make the effort to stand and fight and try to defend your position and your comment you made about Dawkins having any chance against a brain like mine, as I believe my IQ is far superior to his in pretty much every aspect of which IQ is measured.

[@firstlast9478]

@@PhysicsGuy1000 Can you please explain the physics of the moon to me, as I am having trouble understanding the actual physics of how the moon travels and also the effects of the moon's gravity on earth. For this physics lesson, can you please just focus on the axial rotation of the moon, and the orbital path of the moonz and explain the physics of the moon's movements and how this trajectory is possible and maintainable for 1000s of observable years in human history. Please disregard the theoretical physics that claim the movement of the solar system as a whole throughout the Milky way galaxy, and movement of the Milky way galaxy as a whole through the universe for this discussion. Also with regards to the moon, can you please explain how the earth's tides are affected by the moon's gravity given that: - gravity of earth is 9.80m.s^2, - gravity of moon is 1.62m.s^2, - diameter of earth is 12,800km, - diameter of moon is 3,500km, - distance of moon from earth is 384,400km, - distance of moon's centre of gravity to the surface of earth's water bodies is 386,150km, - distance of earth's centre of gravity to the surface of earth's water bodies is 6,400km, - maximum acceleration / deceleration of an OTIS lift car is 0.5-1.0m.s^2 which is clearly observable to all peoples who have ever ridden a high-rise lift car. Also please explain how come we as humans being 75% water, can not perceive the moon's gravity or the earth's gravity seeing that these accelerative forces are far superior to the accelerative forces exerted on a human body when riding a lift car, which is easily perceived by the human body?? My understanding of the physics is that the moon should be spinning on it's axis at a far greater rate then it is, in order to continue on its orbital path around the earth. The earth rotates once every 24 hours, and it rotates 365 times per single complete orbit, giving a ratio of 365:1. While the moon rotates once every ~28 days, and it rotates only 1 time per single complete orbit, giving it a ratio of 1:1. To make this imagery simple, I will refer to baseball pitches, namely the curve ball, and the knuckle ball. With the earth and all celestial bodies acting according to the physics of a curve ball, while the moon's physics is that of a knuckle ball... So why doesn't the moon act according to the physics of its supposed observable movements??

[@OnigoroshiZero]

@@firstlast9478 you wouldn't be able to destroy anyone if you try to argue in favor of fairy tales against reality. And you clearly can't even grasp the concept of scale.

[@dwolfcoach]

This is the personification of why Hitchen's said religion poisons everything. Not the least of which is your mind.

[@planes3333]

Jesus Christ has been the most loving, kind, wise and powerful person to walk the earth. He has had millions of followers in the past willing to die in his name and billions worship him as God today. In fact 2.5 billion people worship Jesus Christ as their God, who took on flesh and walked among the very creations he himself made, his mission on earth to undo all evil, sin, death and suffering from Satan's work of destroying humanity. He healed the sick, raised the dead, taught the nations, helped the lost, fed the poor, gave sight to the blind, gave hearing to the deaf, healed the possessed, and died on a cross for all who would accept his free gift of salvation for their sins. Jesus is on every continent, in almost every language, biblical teachings are the foundation to western society and millions of books, paintings, art, songs, plays, teachings, sermons are all about Jesus. Even time itself was split according to his arrival on earth. BC and AD. Sadly secular society tried to make the timeline not in reference to Jesus but the Gregorian calendar is still used by some. Persecution of christians is the most prevalent type of prejudice but his followers still follow him. You can still make a pilgrimage to see Bethlehem, Nazareth, capernaum, Jerusalem, calvary, golgotha and many other places Jesus walked talked and died for mankind's sins. 2.5 billion people worship Jesus as their God. 1.8 billion muslims see Jesus as a prophet and 1 billion Hindus see Jesus as a good teacher, reincarnation or avatar. Almost everyone in the world knows about Jesus The Greatest Man in History… Jesus; Had no servants, yet they called Him Master. Had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. Had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He did not live in a castle, yet they called Him Lord, He ruled no nations, yet they called Him King, He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today

[@dwolfcoach]

​@@planes3333Why do you think he explains how to beat your slaves? Why does he say, "Think not that I come to bring peace, come to divide mother against daughter, father against son...?"

[@planes3333]

@@dwolfcoach Yes he does divide mother against son and father against daughter. You are completely correct. My own family is just like that, my parents are split up and me and my mom love Jesus and my sister is kind of odd as she recognises that Jesus was a very awesome dude but than she is sort of new age and into reincarnation etc. My dad seems to be an agnostic or atheist. Half of all my relatives are devout believers in Jesus, the other half are semi cultural christians or atheists. Jesus came to save all and any who want to be forgiven of sin, he wont force himself on us, he gives us free will. He made enough proof of his mighty power in the millions of species and trillions of stars. Your right. Jesus came in love and mercy but he is returning with a double edged sword to judge the nations. Funny thing is the moon is rusting and the euphrates is drying up and Israel is back in their homeland as the scriptures say things will be in the last days and with cryptocurrency and digital money the "mark of the beast" is easy to do. PEACE Jesus loves you

[@planes3333]

@@dwolfcoach Exodus 21:20-21 says, “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.” Why did the Mosaic Law allow for slave owners to beat their slaves? The obvious answer is that, in the social structure of ancient Israel, physical punishment was considered the appropriate response for acts of disobedience and rebellion. The text does not specifically say that the corporal punishment has to be for some form of disobedience; however, based on the larger Old Testament context, it is safe to assume that slave masters were not allowed carte blanche authority to do whatever they wanted to their slaves. In Exodus 21, slave owners are limited in what they can do: if the master goes too far and the slave dies, the master will be punished. If the Old Testament Law is followed consistently, then the punishment for the slave owner might even include the death penalty for murder. Of course, if a master beats his slave and the slave is unable to work for some time, the master has punished himself by losing the work he might have received from the slave. The implication here is that it is in the master’s best interest not to be too severe. Exodus 21:20-21 is certainly troubling to people with modern sensitivities. Modern people in the free world have come to view autonomous personal freedom as the highest form of good and anything that curtails personal freedom as the ultimate evil. People may be tempted to read a passage like Exodus 21:20-21 and charge God with moral evil. Such charges need to be challenged, for slavery is not the only area where modern sensitivities and biblical guidelines clash-abortion and homosexuality are two other flashpoints. The danger on this issue is that most Christians would agree that slavery is morally reprehensible. There are two distinct approaches in formulating an answer to why the Bible allows for slavery, and the outcome will be determined by what a person accepts as the authority. The first approach goes something like this: Slavery is morally reprehensible in all situations. The Bible allows slavery. Therefore the Bible is an unreliable moral guide. In this case, current moral sensitivities are the authority, and the Bible is measured against those sensibilities. The second goes something like this: The Bible is a reliable moral guide. The Bible allows slavery. Therefore slavery cannot be morally reprehensible in all situations. In this case, the Bible is the final authority, and modern thinking about right and wrong has to be adjusted to accommodate what we find in the Bible. Slavery has been a fact of human existence for almost as long as the human race has been in existence. Physical punishment to enforce compliance has been part of slavery for just as long. Corporal punishment has also been used in situations other than slavery. For example, physical chastisements were commonly employed as punishment for crimes committed and for the enforcing of discipline in the military. We are not so far removed from the time when brutal physical punishment was administered and accepted by almost everyone as legitimate. In the British Navy, flogging for disobedience or insubordination was common until the mid-19th century, and caning was used until the mid-20th century. In some places, such as Singapore, caning is still an official form of punishment for certain crimes. The Bible does not forbid slavery, nor does it demand that every slave owner who wants to please God must immediately emancipate his slaves. Instead, the Bible at every turn calls for a treatment of slaves that would have been more humane than any found in the culture at large. The very idea that a master could be punished in any way for killing a slave would have been scandalous at the time Moses gave the Law. The culture at large made no attempt to grant slaves any rights. Slaves in Egypt or Moab, for example, were afforded no such protection. Earlier in the same chapter, kidnapping for the purpose of slavery is condemned and the death penalty enjoined: “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession” (Exodus 21:16). (Ironically, the death penalty is another area where modern people assume their moral sensitivity is superior to God’s!) Furthermore, we must not make the mistake of equating slavery in ancient Israel with antebellum slavery in the United States. If the biblical dictates regarding slavery, including the regulations found in Exodus 21:16, 20-21, had been enforced in Western nations in the 1800s, then slavery in the United States would have been very different. The regulations regarding slaves in Exodus 21, far from being inhumane, would have been far more humane and protective of the slave in Israel than in any of the surrounding nations.

[@planes3333]

@@dwolfcoach Glad to hear your a loving compassionate person. I assume you care and love all people like me (though I can be somewhat rude in my comments from time to time.) I guess like me you are utterly opposed to cruelty of animals, slavery, sex slavery and abortion. If your not against those things are you not being a hypocrite. Also slavery in america and england was stopped by rich white men who were christians. Also slavery was a world wide commerce. People in roman times sold themselves into slavery at one point one third of the world was slaves.

[@TanyaJoyce]

Part of Jordan Peterson's schtick that gets so tiring is his lecturing tone. The less he has to say the angrier and more long-winded he becomes.

[@scarba]

You can see the blood vessels in his face popping out

[@Yossarianhoenikker]

He's so bloody emotional about everything

[@Kumite_Champ1988]

Well said

[@planes3333]

Do what you want its freedom of speech. We see buses driving around that say “ there is probably no God so why not enjoy your life” ……dont be silenced by the haters and the new atheists in their new religion. Remember atheism was the reason for the gulags, the great leap forward and the killing fields. Nietzsche and Dostoevsky both predicted the coming butchery from Stalin, Pot and Mao and the death toll reached from 70-100 million dead. That's 100,000,000 people massacred from three regimes and three men. Remember with “God is Dead” you get bloodshed. The Salem witch trials killed 7 the atheist regimes of the 20th century killed 70 million. Also Alexander Solzenitzyn wrote about the insane evil massacres in his book the “Gulag Archipelago” which is now required reading in Russia and by the way it basically brought down the communist/atheistic soviet union. Atheists many of whom are brilliant and than there are those who have not done the job of atheism and that is the seeking of all knowledge about all claims of this universe beginning. Some atheists are as bad as our Fred Phelps and Kenneth Copeland's. Even though we have our Ravi Zacharias's and Stephen Meyers and John Lennox. keep preaching man Jesus commanded it but be wise, dont throw your pearls to pigs.. Also how can an atheist have an opinion on what good or bad is, is that not just a matter of opinion? From where do they derive their actual morals and values from? Society? well I would hate to be a jew during the German final solution during that time in that warped society, oh and your not like that are you? Wait and see what you go along with, or are you already pro abortion.

[@qui_etes_vous]

the more he starts blabbing to distract you.

[@TheSteveBoyd]

As legendary comedian Ricky Gervais once said: Remember kids, if you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing.

[@dewiz9596]

Awesome!

[@machiz2068]

Hahaha remember that line. So kids just sin away 😅

[@miked5487]

I love that line

[@japexican007]

As a Christian yes obviously, Jesus died (for our sins), thus why no one but Christ is without sin, you’re not saying anything that is not already known even the Bible speaks of what you wrote “For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭3‬-‭8‬ ‭

[@rambledogs2012]

@@japexican007 Hmm the bible has no mention of Ricky Gervais saying 'Remember kids, if you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing'.

[@rostsd]

When I first stumbled upon Jordan Peterson, I thought, I need to listen to more of this guy. Now I realize that he just has every word of the day calendar every made. . . memorized

[@qui_etes_vous]

YES. He is conventional.

[@86Corvus]

Look hes right on free speech and expression and how without it tyrany is sure to swallow us all. But hes wrong on religion. You dont have to have to fully praise or condemn the man. Many people are wrong on things but can do immense good soeaking correctly on other things... Quit demanding perfectiomism.

[@rostsd]

@86Corvus I didn't say anything about him being right or wrong about anything, nor did I demand perfection. I just implied he likes to hear himself talk.

[@overhere1694]

Wow, how did JP ever get such a mesmeric hold over people? 'Talking Loud, Saying Nothing' has never rung truer.

[@maaziy_ghaziyIYI]

Because he's funded by the Zionists.

[@DjRenect]

He wasn't always like this. Before he got sick his words seemed to be hitting homeruns all the time.

[@zapkvr]

For the same reason Rhonda Byrne conned millions with her book "The secret". People are morons.

[@A_Stereotypical_Heretic]

He made a connection with young men that felt like they were being pushed out of every last relevant conversation in the social environment. He taught many young men how to stand up for themselves and that being proud and strong isn't wrong. This came at a time when we were being told we were the great evil of the world. He just happened to say relevant things at the right time. He had said them for years before, but it wasn't the issue it is now. His religious stances aren't as popular, he is too wish washy for most people of the faith, yet too adherent for the atheist community.

[@planes3333]

@grayy10k 3 years ago (edited) He's the type of professor where you won't say a WORD in his class. Undivided attention and respect 18K Reply 128 replies this is a comment on Jordan Peterson. Notice the 18k likes in his honor

[@jjpopnfresh6822]

I'd hate to ask him for directions

[@Augfordpdoggie]

hahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahah

[@planes3333]

@grayy10k 3 years ago (edited) He's the type of professor where you won't say a WORD in his class. Undivided attention and respect 18K Reply 128 replies this is a comment on Jordan Peterson. Notice the 18k likes in his honor

[@allydea]

😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@leebode4643]

@@planes3333 Sure, but most certainly not on this subject. He's like a fish out of water here.

[@planes3333]

@@leebode4643 Well he is dealing with Dawkins who IMHO is a total fool, he has some intelligence but he is a liar and he is contradictory and petty, rude and cruel.

[@BCNbananas]

Thamk you, Dr. Dawkins!❤

[@crissymatty]

Christ... that was a tough watch. I don't think I can ever listen to Peterson again 😂

[@cmecre8629]

hallef-inluiah

[@johnfoster7596]

He's yelling and delusional!

[@ryngrd1]

Athiesm is im-morality. Jesus came to bring light to this world 🙏🔥

[@juliansmith4295]

@@ryngrd1 "Atheism is immorality" is a ludicrous statement. Atheists base their morals on what they truly feel is right and wrong. Religious people base their morals on the fear of punishment. Religious people are immoral.

[@dvanaestcestica1135]

​@@ryngrd1 You need help, dude. And I don't mean with spelling.

[@squarecircle1473]

Peterson understands the question. Dawkins knows that Peterson understands the question. Peterson knows that Dawkins knows that he, Peterson, understands the question. Yet still, Peterson dances around the question. He exposes himself to be a dishonest interlocutor. All it took was a straight question. And Dawkins just sits there, while Peterson unravels.

[@chiefchimp2789]

Wouldn't it be awesome to see Peterson take a lie detector test?

[@Crankypantz420]

The results would be regarded as art and displayed in museums like Jackson Pollocks.

[@VaughanMcCue]

@@chiefchimp2789 The power company would charge extra.

[@zapkvr]

@@Crankypantz420 *Pollock*

[@CodexPermutatio]

@@chiefchimp2789 That's totally unnecessary.

[@Calvaryitsdone]

I’m praying for Jordan Peterson❤️🕊️

[@kingpriapatius5832]

Peterson was humiliated. He did NOT reply to the question.

[@JackeryPumpkin]

He did not reply to the question, but he also doesn’t realize it, ergo he is not humiliated

[@InnovativeSustainableSolutions]

If he replies in the affirnative he looks like a religious nut, and serious people will dismiss him. If he responds in the negative he looses his hyper religious audience members patronage

[@kingpriapatius5832]

@@JackeryPumpkin He is not self humiliated, but he is humiliated to any non religious sober person.

[@kingpriapatius5832]

@@InnovativeSustainableSolutions You are 100% right. But, a Clinical Psychologist should answer to the question and not care about PR.

[@warrenallsopp]

Peterson rarely replies to the questions. Rather, he diverts, under the guise of making a related point, but, as virtually everyone who feels bludgeoned by his word salads, tedium sets in long before the question is actually addressed or answered.

[@starchaser6024]

The composure of Dawkins and Alex is such a stark contrast to Peterson it makes him look like a flailing temperamental child 🙈. Glad to see there are some adults in the room to hold his hand. “I’m not interested in dragons, I’m interested in reality” 💀

[@michaelqdlap]

Emotion is not bad, not everyone needs to be a Stoic

[@JLM1PB]

It's often the case with the conservatives, they are highly emotional.

[@bjrnchrstn]

That’s because Dawkins doesn’t let his booksale numbers influence his answers. Peterson is nothing more than a gameshowhost.

[@dewardroy6531]

If that

[@istara]

It shows the terrible impact that religious indoctrination has on a potentially intelligent brain. It really is a form of brain damage and quite pitiable.

[@andrewundershaft1162]

The way each of the three sits, moves and carries themselves in the conversation is very revealing. One is agitated and defensive, to the point of convulsion and shouting. The others are calm and in control of themselves and the actual discussion.

[@iXpress]

Dawkins: do you believe in Jesus? Peterson: well, quantum physics ..bla bla

[@DivineHellas]

What do you mean by “do”? And what do you mean by “you”? And what do you mean by “believe” And what do you mean by “in”? And what do you mean by “Jesus”? And what do you mean by your question mark?

[@edmonddantes935]

Dawkins doesn't get excited 1 time. Peterson is all emotion.

[@AdamIlluminati23]

If we dont know, whats the meaning of a word, we cant talk exactly ​@DivineHellas

[@DivineHellas]

@@AdamIlluminati23 what do you mean by “if” And what do you mean by “we” And what do you mean by “don’t” And what do you mean by “know”

[@AdamIlluminati23]

@DivineHellas I See, you're not interested in truth. You just interested in beeing blind.

[@antitheistvegan]

JP is joke and does not deserve to be viewed as a credible intellectual. I aspire to have the patience exemplified by RD.

[@bjrnchrstn]

He does tbh but shouldn’t let his booksale numbers influence his reasoning.

[@huskytail]

Even considering putting him in that category is an insult to intelligence. Building your career in telling young men to make their beds is not an intellectual achievement.

[@chiefchimp2789]

Peterson clearly won't shut up because it's become so financially rewarding for him. I think deep down he knows he's a complete fraud, but money is fun to roll around in.

[@raymondhartmeijer9300]

I couldnt stand more than 5min. I don't understand JPs popularity. He's a joke

[@raymondhartmeijer9300]

@@BlackQueen-z5b ah come on man, the guy is the personification of Word Salad

[@JupiterDjembe]

JP sidesteps all the important questions on what he believes about Christianity

[@AtheistVegan]

Ex-Hindu, now atheist here. It's because of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens.

[@alexandresoutonogueira7675]

Me too, since 2013. Besides them, here in Brazil, in that year I was also informing myself on this topic with two youtubers, Pirula and Clarion De Laffalot. Pirula is a biologist and explained about evolution, and introduced me to Richard Dawkins, and Clarion used to make amazing videos about logical thinking and fallacies.

[@plaguedoct0r]

Check out Matt Dillahunty too, you'll love him

[@AtheistVegan]

@@plaguedoct0r I already know him.

[@iamonpluto]

read upanishads, hinduism is a well. vedanta is the ocean.

[@VoyagerIsHere]

There are incredible humanistic teachings in Hinduism that you can still keep even if you want to be an atheist.

[@Charism4]

Peterson avoids all answers 😂

[@tweegeTX3]

If Alex O’Connor is the moderator, and he says to someone who’s been speaking for ten minutes that they haven’t provided an answer, is he really moderating?

[@ballapalleballe]

Hearing Peterson is like hearing the definition of a word salad

[@vratyasvakyas6022]

What do you mean by word? What do you mean by salad?

[@ObservantHistorian]

Jordan "Deepak" Peterson is the shallow thinker's idea of a deep thinker.

[@PersianCamel]

@@ObservantHistorian that's rich. lol

[@thomaslutro5560]

@@vratyasvakyas6022 By word I mean the longest ones I could find in the dictionary (think Welsh villages). By salad I mean a good metric ton of scallion caught in Jamie Olivers fried rice, rubbing shoulders with chili jam and pestled tofu.

[@rinmlo]

It’s a shame. When he talks psychiatry and sociology he’s incredibly precise and direct speaking. But on the subject of religion he just talks sh*t.

[@Snizzle_Fizzle]

I honesty started wonder if Peterson was going to burst into tears

[@mrrolandlawrence]

i know hes not been the same since his mental breakdown.

[@RockoBam1]

He does that a lot.

[@equatorialjourney4478]

@@mrrolandlawrenceNo, …..he’s NEVER been stable . He personifies the old ‘ chicken or egg ‘ conundrum , & he’s finally being exposed as the ****** he is and always has been . History is littered w snake oilers like him

[@rasputozen]

the dude has been on a drug cocktail since he became a benzo junkie, he's always on the verge of mental breakdown now

[@planes3333]

@grayy10k 3 years ago (edited) He's the type of professor where you won't say a WORD in his class. Undivided attention and respect 18K Reply 128 replies this is a comment on Jordan Peterson. Notice the 18k likes in his honor

[@lukeshaw898]

While we may never know what Jordan truly believes in, we can be certain brevity is not among them.

[@user-cg3tx8zv1h]

It is getting harder and harder to listen to his gibberish (sophisticated sounding ramblings)... Although, it was a pleasure to watch Professor Dawkins torment the foolish man...

[@chiefchimp2789]

Both Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are much too kind to Peterson. If Hitchens was still around and agreed to a debate, within a minute he would have called him a total fraud.

[@maevey3]

​@@chiefchimp2789I see the kindness as a plus. Something very effectual about the facts speaking for themselves without resorting to anything ruthless. Poor Jordan is so clearly under pressure here. He's squirming....all whilst Dawkins is so clear but mannerly, as usual.

[@rgrtnyjjc]

@@chiefchimp2789if you haven’t seen it yet I recommend watching Matt Dillahunty debating him, he handled Peterson better than anyone I’ve seen, didn’t let him get away with any of his semantic tricks like diversions and redefining words etc. he pretty much wiped the floor with him.

[@arifsaleem5467]

​@@rgrtnyjjc Comparatively yes, but even Matt was too kind with this jerk.

[@carolinegarrett7763]

Peterson is just a dribbling fool. He might have been a smart man once but he’s lost his mind.

[@petercouch2013]

Empty vessels make the most noise!

[@wissenschaft1103]

Brilliantly said, man.

[@1ncredulous]

I love this

[@mayhu3282]

Absolutely. Comparing the noise, eye rolling and waving of hands of the vacuous JP with the amused, relaxed, sarcastic silence of RD is so revealing...

[@ZER0--]

Sorry I can't hear you. There's a Peterson in the room...

[@LouisGedo]

Ouch!! 😆 🤣 😂

[@Contessa6363]

Stop speaking in circles Peterson!!

[@TheSteveBoyd]

Kermit has never publicly given a straight answer in his life. He's an infuriating bullshit artist.

[@robertpotter3578]

Yeah, is the Rainbow Connection real or not?

[@Shickz]

Shut up Steve

[@heldinahtmlhell]

He used to do. After his near-death experience, he transformed into a religious postmodernist nut.

[@Ritvik117]

Oh wow such an enlightening comment.

[@geosmith3436]

All Peterson does is talk nonsense and when challenged, simply changes the subject.

[@wjs1]

Very well put 👌

[@maaziy_ghaziyIYI]

Zionist training

[@ronallen7051]

He’s hard work at times like this. Answers like a politician

[@karcinoma]

you say its nonsense because all you can do is repeat what you read in comments, you simply aren't smart enough to follow the conversation which was captivating from start to finish, even on the official channels that had the entire video uncut.

[@geosmith3436]

@ what you have just said is also nonsense.

[@robertmajewski4486]

Mr. Dawkins is my hero !

[@AdrianGalu]

Wow! First time hearing JP talking/babbling about his imaginary friends without being able to bring one valid argument to the table. What a waste of time…

[@TerryMcGearyScotland]

Can't wait. Peterson became a big disappointment to this fan. Dawkins never has.

[@apathyguy8338]

Peterson has always been the internet's most famous stopped clock. Every time he ends a statement I'm left baffled by all the words soup that's been spilled.

[@simpleton5492]

Wait for what? The full interview was uploaded to Jordan Peterson's channel couple days ago

[@TerryMcGearyScotland]

@@apathyguy8338 I know what you mean! What always admired about him was the way he often took long pauses to choose exactly the word he wanted for the soup! 🙂 He never let interviewers away with putting words into his mouth. He knows his own trade well and I respect his views on the 'pronouns' business that lost him his job. But his religious 'beliefs" (?) left me disappointed. These two and Stephen Fry are high in my esteem as was the late Hitchens.

[@MrSeedi76]

I don't like Peterson but Dawkins is just a hack who knows nothing about how the world works because he ignores every scientific field outside his own. And I'm not talking about theology but sociology, economics, psychology, all of the cultural sciences. He simply refuses to learn. That's why he became totally irrelevant.

[@planes3333]

@grayy10k 3 years ago (edited) He's the type of professor where you won't say a WORD in his class. Undivided attention and respect 18K Reply 128 replies this is a comment on Jordan Peterson. Notice the 18k likes in his honor

[@mobeltass]

Here in Sweden we have an expression, "word pooping", that very much describes Jordan Petersons way of expressing himself. It's like an unfiltered stream of consiousness where he begins by talking and then makes up his argument along the way.

[@chobin7982]

Jordan Peterson, King of the Word Salad

[@RockoBam1]

Peterson knew exactly what you were saying and what he was being asked. He didn't want to answer, so he just spewed out some word salad, hoping people would forget what he'd actually been asked. It's difficult to debate someone that is unwilling to engage with reality or give an answer that makes sense.

[@QwertyKeyboarduk]

@@RockoBam1 what if the quantum mechanics of the implicit response was the foundational basis of the universal reality? If we seek adequately enough with the resolve of ancestral rome, the realm of absolute truth would be evident in the physical as well as the quantum level. Surely supercalafragilisticexpialadotious would quantify such a well grounded response 😁. That's the best waffle i could put together in under a minute lol. Doesn't need to make sense just needs to be articulated lol

[@nfdslkfladhf]

Finally someone confronted this charlatan. Dawkins sacrifice for our sins here... He is the hope for this world so future generations can figure out truth more easily.

[@julialucas1482]

I miss Chris Hitchens. He was so cool.

[@wjs1]

Absolutely. You can just imagine him tearing this Peterson clown to shreds

[@patriciamarshall7762]

Oh don’t we all! ❤

[@MrSeedi76]

He was horrible.

[@alicerabbit8]

Me too, he was fantastic

[@robertpotter3578]

It’s my understanding that he never liked being called Chris. No big deal, I guess, since it can’t bother him now.

[@duncanwallace7760]

If you asked Peterson if Tinker-bell exists in the real world, he could easily answer. Ask him about religion and he waffles with endless incoherence while claiming it's too complicated for highly intelligent people to understand. Why it is so hard to say: 'very little in Bible is factually true, but the value lies in the meaning of the stories'? I was impressed while I was in Kakadu National Park in northern Australia when the Aboriginal park ranger explained the geography by saying: "we believe this area was created by 'x' mythical being", but science tells us the area was formed by 'y'. It was refreshing.

[@Yossarianhoenikker]

I'm genuinely not sure that he wouldn't make a case for Tinkerbell existing. Something like her archetype is so ingrained that in a sense she does exist. Which is insane

[@Burrungus_G]

@@Yossarianhoenikker he wouldn't take so long with tinkerbell cuz that's not a large demographic of followers.

[@seanmcandrew9088]

I'm going to watch Richard in Manchester on Monday, can't wait😁

[@alligatordundee4983]

No one on Earth can dodge a question quite like Peterson.

[@catalhuyuk7]

Trump!

[@alligatordundee4983]

@@catalhuyuk7 no, not even close. Harris is far better at dodging questions than Trump is.

[@simplylethul]

​@alligatordundee4983 no, Harris addresses questions, felon trump "weaves" incoherently while not answering any questions. He literally believes he was the "best" president, even though he presidency was a failure.

[@planes3333]

Do what you want its freedom of speech. We see buses driving around that say “ there is probably no God so why not enjoy your life” ……dont be silenced by the haters and the new atheists in their new religion. Remember atheism was the reason for the gulags, the great leap forward and the killing fields. Nietzsche and Dostoevsky both predicted the coming butchery from Stalin, Pot and Mao and the death toll reached from 70-100 million dead. That's 100,000,000 people massacred from three regimes and three men. Remember with “God is Dead” you get bloodshed. The Salem witch trials killed 7 the atheist regimes of the 20th century killed 70 million. Also Alexander Solzenitzyn wrote about the insane evil massacres in his book the “Gulag Archipelago” which is now required reading in Russia and by the way it basically brought down the communist/atheistic soviet union. Atheists many of whom are brilliant and than there are those who have not done the job of atheism and that is the seeking of all knowledge about all claims of this universe beginning. Some atheists are as bad as our Fred Phelps and Kenneth Copeland's. Even though we have our Ravi Zacharias's and Stephen Meyers and John Lennox. keep preaching man Jesus commanded it but be wise, dont throw your pearls to pigs.. Also how can an atheist have an opinion on what good or bad is, is that not just a matter of opinion? From where do they derive their actual morals and values from? Society? well I would hate to be a jew during the German final solution during that time in that warped society, oh and your not like that are you? Wait and see what you go along with, or are you already pro abortion.

[@AttyMonroe]

This was a waste of time. Why people listen to a word Peterson says is beyond me.

[@TheFaveteLinguis]

Because he is a genuine intellectual who educated millions of people on many complicated subjects. He is a brilliant psychologist, his OLD lectures are very, very, very informative. His arguments about the West, the leftists, democracy and many other things are spot on. He opened eyes of many people to lies of the legacy media and still going strong. But. Yes. He has an idea that the religion is a product of evolution (which he doesn't deny) and is desperately trying to marry religion with science or to prove that the "God" is a something of a representation of reality which is inside of every single one of use and that's why we crave for religion so much. He just can't let go of this idea. And since he DID educate A LOT of people on MANY intellectual matters, he, as far as I am concerned, starts to think of himself as a prophet. Well... you see where this is going. I also dislike his religious fervor. Honestly, he is going more insane with each day, but I still appreciate him. He is still a good man and I will recoomend his psychological lectures to anyone. You shouldn't just dismiss a person if he failed in one intellectiual duscussion, btw. He can be wrong here and 100% correct in different matters. Or 40% correct. You be the judje.

[@mayhu3282]

​@@TheFaveteLinguisI've watched a lot of JP and RD content. Not a single time I've heard JP say anything of substance, as opposed to 99.99% of the time in the case of RD. Life is too short to waste it on people like JP.

[@TheFaveteLinguis]

@@mayhu3282 I hope you wouldn't mind me disagreeing with you on that matter. Let's take for example: 2014 Personality Lecture 16: Extraversion & Neuroticism (Biology & Traits) And other lectures of that sort. Let me know what you think. There are many more with genuine research. 2015 Personality Lecture 15: Biology & Traits: Limbic System & Lower Order Goals

[@singingfedexmanjoshcampbel1614]

“i’m not trying to play a trick here” boy did he give it away pretty instantaneously lol

[@carmencopindean]

How agitated is JP and how calm are Richard and Alex 😊

[@vanobe5853]

Oh, Alex is fuming in parts. He's just very stoic about it. Richard is on another level, though. Calm blue oceans all the way.

[@jackiedouglas4483]

@@carmencopindean I really value Jordan, but when he veers off into verbosity, ott hand movements and high pitched voice, I switch off.

[@nibas4920]

@@jackiedouglas4483maybe value him less, since that’s all he does

[@planes3333]

Jesus Christ has been the most loving, kind, wise and powerful person to walk the earth. He has had millions of followers in the past willing to die in his name and billions worship him as God today. In fact 2.5 billion people worship Jesus Christ as their God, who took on flesh and walked among the very creations he himself made, his mission on earth to undo all evil, sin, death and suffering from Satan's work of destroying humanity. He healed the sick, raised the dead, taught the nations, helped the lost, fed the poor, gave sight to the blind, gave hearing to the deaf, healed the possessed, and died on a cross for all who would accept his free gift of salvation for their sins. Jesus is on every continent, in almost every language, biblical teachings are the foundation to western society and millions of books, paintings, art, songs, plays, teachings, sermons are all about Jesus. Even time itself was split according to his arrival on earth. BC and AD. Sadly secular society tried to make the timeline not in reference to Jesus but the Gregorian calendar is still used by some. Persecution of christians is the most prevalent type of prejudice but his followers still follow him. You can still make a pilgrimage to see Bethlehem, Nazareth, capernaum, Jerusalem, calvary, golgotha and many other places Jesus walked talked and died for mankind's sins. 2.5 billion people worship Jesus as their God. 1.8 billion muslims see Jesus as a prophet and 1 billion Hindus see Jesus as a good teacher, reincarnation or avatar. Almost everyone in the world knows about Jesus The Greatest Man in History… Jesus; Had no servants, yet they called Him Master. Had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. Had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He did not live in a castle, yet they called Him Lord, He ruled no nations, yet they called Him King, He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today

[@richardanderson1644]

JP does 90% of the talking without saying anything. Very Trump like.

[@wjs1]

Spot on.

[@planes3333]

Do what you want its freedom of speech. We see buses driving around that say “ there is probably no God so why not enjoy your life” ……dont be silenced by the haters and the new atheists in their new religion. Remember atheism was the reason for the gulags, the great leap forward and the killing fields. Nietzsche and Dostoevsky both predicted the coming butchery from Stalin, Pot and Mao and the death toll reached from 70-100 million dead. That's 100,000,000 people massacred from three regimes and three men. Remember with “God is Dead” you get bloodshed. The Salem witch trials killed 7 the atheist regimes of the 20th century killed 70 million. Also Alexander Solzenitzyn wrote about the insane evil massacres in his book the “Gulag Archipelago” which is now required reading in Russia and by the way it basically brought down the communist/atheistic soviet union. Atheists many of whom are brilliant and than there are those who have not done the job of atheism and that is the seeking of all knowledge about all claims of this universe beginning. Some atheists are as bad as our Fred Phelps and Kenneth Copeland's. Even though we have our Ravi Zacharias's and Stephen Meyers and John Lennox. keep preaching man Jesus commanded it but be wise, dont throw your pearls to pigs.. Also how can an atheist have an opinion on what good or bad is, is that not just a matter of opinion? From where do they derive their actual morals and values from? Society? well I would hate to be a jew during the German final solution during that time in that warped society, oh and your not like that are you? Wait and see what you go along with, or are you already pro abortion.

[@stampcollectordenier]

This is more of an intervention than it is a debate.

[@louisehaley5105]

Whether you agree with him or not, Dawkin’s comments are a lazer beam that hits the mark every time. Peterson’s are disco ball, scattering light in all directions.

[@CodexPermutatio]

True. And you can even see him dancing while he answers.

[@Alen-gr1xm]

That made me not merely laugh, but scream for a few seconds!! Brilliant description of both!

[@planetfocus911]

Prof. Dawkins has provided the insight I needed on my path of spiritual growth. Thank you. I still have the letter addressed to his little daughter about different forms of religion on my laptop- comparing different cultures to different kinds of fish in the ocean. I feel a distinct "oneness" with the whole of the natural world - a certain "breath" throughout the universe that cannot be named nor understood - a devine Spirit dwelling in all of creation whom nobody or group of people can claim as his or their own. So, religion has no place in my life. It causes division, confusion and is restrictive.

[@mirkacihlar8110]

Thank you for quoting a beautiful letter of prof.Dawkins to his young granddaughter. It's so utterly beautiful!I ❤I love what he expressed+explained to her in that letter .There's nothing more phenomenal than truth and we should stand by the truth. I believe that the whole life is miraculous!

[@pepelois2979]

One is an intelligent honest man, the other a pretentious circus act. They shouldn't even be talking to each other.

[@catalhuyuk7]

If humans were made in gods’ image, then we should be invisible.

[@wjs1]

I like that one 😅

[@beefandbarley]

Oh fantastic. May I borrow that from time to time?

[@catalhuyuk7]

@@beefandbarley I borrowed it. Pass it on.

[@catalhuyuk7]

Oh dang, now I want beef and barley soup. 😜

[@beefandbarley]

@@catalhuyuk7 It’s good isn’t it? 😄 And now I really want to visit Catalhuyuk!

[@rogerkearns8094]

What a wall of noise Peterson emits in response to simple questions.

[@planes3333]

Do what you want its freedom of speech. We see buses driving around that say “ there is probably no God so why not enjoy your life” ……dont be silenced by the haters and the new atheists in their new religion. Remember atheism was the reason for the gulags, the great leap forward and the killing fields. Nietzsche and Dostoevsky both predicted the coming butchery from Stalin, Pot and Mao and the death toll reached from 70-100 million dead. That's 100,000,000 people massacred from three regimes and three men. Remember with “God is Dead” you get bloodshed. The Salem witch trials killed 7 the atheist regimes of the 20th century killed 70 million. Also Alexander Solzenitzyn wrote about the insane evil massacres in his book the “Gulag Archipelago” which is now required reading in Russia and by the way it basically brought down the communist/atheistic soviet union. Atheists many of whom are brilliant and than there are those who have not done the job of atheism and that is the seeking of all knowledge about all claims of this universe beginning. Some atheists are as bad as our Fred Phelps and Kenneth Copeland's. Even though we have our Ravi Zacharias's and Stephen Meyers and John Lennox. keep preaching man Jesus commanded it but be wise, dont throw your pearls to pigs.. Also how can an atheist have an opinion on what good or bad is, is that not just a matter of opinion? From where do they derive their actual morals and values from? Society? well I would hate to be a jew during the German final solution during that time in that warped society, oh and your not like that are you? Wait and see what you go along with, or are you already pro abortion.

[@AstroBay]

Peterson may be the most intelligent and educated appologist in all of human history. He so deeply desires his feelings to be justified as truths as he dances and wavers back and forth perched atop his fence. Watching and listening to his struggle as a prominent consequential scientist and intellectual is at the forefront of my own interests. I'm eagerly anticipating the day where he finally admits that his own ego and emotional influence hold himself back from accepting the true facts of religiosity and spirituality; that they are simply feelings, imagined and cultivated and institutionalized over very long periods of time by us humans. At that time, this die hard defender of the Christian faith will demonstrate, and set a benchmark to all appologists past and present, that there is simply no defence which can negate the empirical facts and truth of reality. Unless someone comes along who can argue more intellectually and convincingly than JP, like maybe Jesus Christ himself descending from the clouds for all to see, religiosity will never really hold a respected place at the table of any scientific academic discussion where facts and truth are concerned.

[@mikedonnarumma5337]

peterson gets more lost the older he gets

[@Yossarianhoenikker]

I think he's always had these insane convictions but that he feels less inhibited about spouting them publicly as time goes on

[@LoftyAssertions]

@@Yossarianhoenikker I feel you may be correct, I've watched him since his very first appearance online on that campus, he did eventually, slowly introduce religious values, then particularly after his first book I felt he went into long, deep detail on theology. I feel that since then, something like 5 years ago, he has progressively unravelled into focusing on it entirely. I did find him admit to a spiritual experience as a child, I think it was a debate with Sam Harris or Matt Dillahunty. Both of whom had him speechless, quite worth watching. He absolutely believes that religion is integral to the functioning of humanity, which I can definitely entertain but not fully subscribe to.

[@qui_etes_vous]

hahahaha!

[@OpenMind4U2C]

JP is not being clever, over on his channel his followers are saying Dawkins doesn't understand JPs argument for truth in the utility of Christianitys beliefs. He does understand and is pointing out that JP is answering a different question of truth not the one being put to him.🤦🏻‍♂️

[@sonny2dap]

I think actually that as close an accurate description as I've seen, from what I can tell JP's reluctance to say the biblical stories that fly in the face of scientific fact are almost certainly allegorical stem perhaps from a fear that such an admission would somehow undermine his position, when I think about it I wouldn't take issue even if Peterson was to say the he personally believes them to be factual but he has no evidence for that and the ultimate value derived from the story is an allegorical/mythical value rather than a cast Iron truth claim, ultimately I think that's what he was getting at but didn't quite manage to express it very well.

[@MillenniumEarl014]

​​​@@sonny2dapWell tbf Dawkins wasn't asking Peterson to prove it. Dawkins asked if he believes that Jesus died for our sins. At the end of the day if JP said "yes, I believe it" then discussion halts there. Can't talk about science and math at that point. So, what is Dawkins supposed to do when he doesn't believe in any of that shit. It's just gonna be an argument of metaphors that in reality doesn't mean anything.

[@chokhobichaar4579]

@@sonny2dap no need to complicate things here.... we all know by now Jordan Peterson doesn't have the balls or the intellect to call a "banana", a "banana". Religious Jordan is a disgrace to human intellect, as simple as that.

[@sglaser001]

Peterson’s evasion of clear & simple questions gives me a feeling of dishonesty. He does know if he believes or doesn’t believe in something. If you’re equivocating, then you don’t believe it. Just say that and keep your integrity

[@pauls2613]

Dawkins always wins- only because he respects science and facts.

[@planes3333]

Jesus Christ has been the most loving, kind, wise and powerful person to walk the earth. He has had millions of followers in the past willing to die in his name and billions worship him as God today. In fact 2.5 billion people worship Jesus Christ as their God, who took on flesh and walked among the very creations he himself made, his mission on earth to undo all evil, sin, death and suffering from Satan's work of destroying humanity. He healed the sick, raised the dead, taught the nations, helped the lost, fed the poor, gave sight to the blind, gave hearing to the deaf, healed the possessed, and died on a cross for all who would accept his free gift of salvation for their sins. Jesus is on every continent, in almost every language, biblical teachings are the foundation to western society and millions of books, paintings, art, songs, plays, teachings, sermons are all about Jesus. Even time itself was split according to his arrival on earth. BC and AD. Sadly secular society tried to make the timeline not in reference to Jesus but the Gregorian calendar is still used by some. Persecution of christians is the most prevalent type of prejudice but his followers still follow him. You can still make a pilgrimage to see Bethlehem, Nazareth, capernaum, Jerusalem, calvary, golgotha and many other places Jesus walked talked and died for mankind's sins. 2.5 billion people worship Jesus as their God. 1.8 billion muslims see Jesus as a prophet and 1 billion Hindus see Jesus as a good teacher, reincarnation or avatar. Almost everyone in the world knows about Jesus The Greatest Man in History… Jesus; Had no servants, yet they called Him Master. Had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. Had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He did not live in a castle, yet they called Him Lord, He ruled no nations, yet they called Him King, He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today

[@jacksonelmore6227]

Jordan clearly transcends Dawkins

[@planes3333]

Actually he is a fool.

[@planes3333]

@@jacksonelmore6227 Amen.

[@Sunny-bychoice]

@@jacksonelmore6227 What a joke, Dawkins asked him if he believed in the virgin birth and Peterson started referencing different works of fiction. lol

[@taylankammer]

11:45 I lost it at JP's reaction to that question. 😂 The silence in the room is killing me.

[@vanobe5853]

Lol omg so cringy 😂

[@steve-ok2090]

Perterson seems to think that admitting to some facts of Christianity that fly in the face of science would completely supplant Christianity’s mythical value, and I disagree.

[@santsuma]

@ 0:40 JP goes: "I'm not trying to play a trick here¨... Yes you are, you've just told us you are.

[@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084]

I agree, because if he wasn't, he wouldn't have felt the need to point out he wasn't. It wouldn't have even occurred to him.

[@40pianos]

Everytime the psychologist appears in a debate with a learned opponent, it's like he's on a psychoanalyst's couch, wrestling with a truth that he's desperately trying to resist. He squirms and contorts, his fingers twitch as if activated by electricity and he avoids eye contact while struggling to maintain even a modicum of control over his vocalizing. It's apparently tough to be him.

[@SLM740]

Totally agree

[@Other8arry]

Love seeing debates / discussions, when I respect all of the people involved.

[@qui_etes_vous]

you respect Peterson, ick. He is exhausting. Refuses to be logical. He also seems like he lost his mind at some point.

[@johnhunsley8860]

This was painful to watch. Peterson spoke word salad for 59 minutes whilst Dawkins sat back and gave simple one word answers to his nonsense.

[@jamesg871]

They always avoid the real questions because they can't answer it.

[@planes3333]

Do what you want its freedom of speech. We see buses driving around that say “ there is probably no God so why not enjoy your life” ……dont be silenced by the haters and the new atheists in their new religion. Remember atheism was the reason for the gulags, the great leap forward and the killing fields. Nietzsche and Dostoevsky both predicted the coming butchery from Stalin, Pot and Mao and the death toll reached from 70-100 million dead. That's 100,000,000 people massacred from three regimes and three men. Remember with “God is Dead” you get bloodshed. The Salem witch trials killed 7 the atheist regimes of the 20th century killed 70 million. Also Alexander Solzenitzyn wrote about the insane evil massacres in his book the “Gulag Archipelago” which is now required reading in Russia and by the way it basically brought down the communist/atheistic soviet union. Atheists many of whom are brilliant and than there are those who have not done the job of atheism and that is the seeking of all knowledge about all claims of this universe beginning. Some atheists are as bad as our Fred Phelps and Kenneth Copeland's. Even though we have our Ravi Zacharias's and Stephen Meyers and John Lennox. keep preaching man Jesus commanded it but be wise, dont throw your pearls to pigs.. Also how can an atheist have an opinion on what good or bad is, is that not just a matter of opinion? From where do they derive their actual morals and values from? Society? well I would hate to be a jew during the German final solution during that time in that warped society, oh and your not like that are you? Wait and see what you go along with, or are you already pro abortion.

[@MAYBE673]

They are definitely coming to this conversation from very very different perspectives that there is little room for discussion

[@AnInterestedObserver]

I am now even more convinced that there is no god and that I've been right all along. Thank you Jordan Peterson for helping to make that clear.

[@planes3333]

Do what you want its freedom of speech. We see buses driving around that say “ there is probably no God so why not enjoy your life” ……dont be silenced by the haters and the new atheists in their new religion. Remember atheism was the reason for the gulags, the great leap forward and the killing fields. Nietzsche and Dostoevsky both predicted the coming butchery from Stalin, Pot and Mao and the death toll reached from 70-100 million dead. That's 100,000,000 people massacred from three regimes and three men. Remember with “God is Dead” you get bloodshed. The Salem witch trials killed 7 the atheist regimes of the 20th century killed 70 million. Also Alexander Solzenitzyn wrote about the insane evil massacres in his book the “Gulag Archipelago” which is now required reading in Russia and by the way it basically brought down the communist/atheistic soviet union. Atheists many of whom are brilliant and than there are those who have not done the job of atheism and that is the seeking of all knowledge about all claims of this universe beginning. Some atheists are as bad as our Fred Phelps and Kenneth Copeland's. Even though we have our Ravi Zacharias's and Stephen Meyers and John Lennox. keep preaching man Jesus commanded it but be wise, dont throw your pearls to pigs.. Also how can an atheist have an opinion on what good or bad is, is that not just a matter of opinion? From where do they derive their actual morals and values from? Society? well I would hate to be a jew during the German final solution during that time in that warped society, oh and your not like that are you? Wait and see what you go along with, or are you already pro abortion.

[@coldscooter]

I just watched the whole discussion. I didn't realize how unhinged JP had become. Utter rambling nonsense.

[@qui_etes_vous]

yeah, i notice it a lot, he is mad.

[@AntoonStessels]

Wow, Alex O'Connor is an incredible interviewer. Props to him!

[@brianbrennan5600]

I think I detest Jordan petersons nonsense more than William lane craigs shirked morality. Which is quite a feat.

[@robinghosh5627]

Sir Richard Dawkins is the Greatest Exponent of Critical thinking and reasoning in the scientific search and understanding of the Beauty and Grandeur of our Universe...Thank you Sir very much ❤❤❤

[@Spidaface666]

Jordan Peterson seems so disingenuous I lost all respect for him 😑😐

[@Dr.Akakia]

That happens when you try to defend nonSense(religions) when you confronts wisdom and logic, peterson is good in talking and knock off woke people but not good enough to confront Dawkins a.k.a wisdom and reality

[@Center1240]

Peterson never misses the opportunity to use 1000 words to express what could be said in 20.

[@issyjas3309]

Exactly, it’s as if he thinks a large vocabulary makes for intelligence. It doesn’t because he can so rarely make himself understood.

[@WizardImp]

Well, in fairness, I've also been accused of that fish cupboard antelope teeth....

[@DrLinvoyPrimus]

The first time I heard Peterson speak, I thought he was very impressive. He now seems either to have lost it, or got in far out of his depth.

[@samgod]

When the moderator pushes Peterson to stop dodging the question, you know Peterson is full of horseshit. Jesus, Jordan’s dishonesty and ineptitude are beautifully masked by his eloquent, meaningless word salad.

[@realCharAznable]

At this point I don't even think JBP is being dishonest anymore, I think he actually sustains himself on his own word salad and split hairs.

[@mayhu3282]

Don't forget his diet of only meat and salt.

[@planes3333]

@grayy10k 3 years ago (edited) He's the type of professor where you won't say a WORD in his class. Undivided attention and respect 18K Reply 128 replies this is a comment on Jordan Peterson. Notice the 18k likes in his honor

[@richard9480]

Citing Dostoyevsky as an authority on the fundamental questions that Dawkins has answered in his many brilliant books is just hilarious!

[@mee834]

Yes, but he is right about one thing. Humans understand the world through narratives, not facts. This is unfortunate, but true.

[@planes3333]

Yeah I would say you are correct. I live in a world thats plagued with evil, infanticide, witchcraft, abortion, murder, evil, suffering, sadness, theft, jealousy, addictions, grape, genocide, just to name a few of the fruits of the enemy satan. Dostoyevsky and Nietzsche's both predicted the coming atrocities of evil when God was considered to be dead by a society and they were both totally correct in their prophetic warnings. People think Nietzsche was proclaiming a triumphant proclamation that God is dead but it was a lament. It came to pass that the atheistic "God is dead" regimes of the soviet gulags, the killing fields and the great leap forward killed from about say from upwards of about 70-100 million dead between Mao, Stalin and Pott. The Salem witch trials killed 7..... your thoughts?

[@zapkvr]

Someone should tell him that Dostoyevsky was writing fiction. And never pretended to be doing anything else.

[@CodexPermutatio]

If I were Richard I would have asked him if he had ever considered founding a new religion based on Dostoevsky. Obviously it would not have as much commercial appeal as what he is doing with the Bible but at least it would be more original, interesting and honest. He knows perfectly well the difference between fiction and historical facts. He lacks the courage to found a purely symbolic and allegorical religion that does not claim to have a monopoly on the truth on all ethical questions. Relying on Christianity (despite the weight it has had in the West) is not enough. The old religions are dying. But this is not as bad as it seems since we still have the rest of the art (yes, religions are, in essence, art forms and Jordan knows it).

[@richard9480]

@@CodexPermutatio I tend to refer to Bertrand Russell on all matters of "God" and religion. Much as I admire Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins, Russell is unquestionably one of the very finest authorities on the subject.

[@VideoTranslations]

This is the point that Peterson strives to make, and it is valid: There are facts of different sorts. There are physical facts, and there are metaphysical facts. A physical fact would e.g. relate to quantum predictions. A metaphysical fact could be that if you sin when alive, you go to hell when you die. This fact is not a scientific fact, it is an experiential fact. There are innumerable people that have died and come back. They tell us that when you die, you get judged. That is called ethics. Ethics includes facts, but their proof is of a different order. Their proof plays out in the metaphysical realm, and then it may translate also in physical reality (if there is reincarnation) or stays metaphysical (if there is eternal damnation). He senses resurrection is a fact of this order. It might be a physical fact, it might be a metaphysical fact. He doesn't know how to judge it, but he can sense it's a fact. Well, is there a proof for this "fact" at all? Yes, there is. The countless people who have seen Christ in Heaven during a Near Death Experience. They have seen someone who has conquered death, sin or the Shadow. Seeing him being able to help us also do that, you can poetically (or not so poetically) say he has died for our sins. The problem with Dawkins and all commentators under this video is that they don't perceive how difficult it is to compare metaphysical and physical facts. Where does a resurrection of the soul end and the resurrection of the body begins? Where does the soul end and the body begins? Are they mutually exclusive? Are they one and the same? Are they cohabitating? Is the one transformed into the other? By looking into myth, ethics and civilization, Peterson is trying to sense and express that thing which is a fact of a different order: a fact of the soul, that just might also be a fact of the body as well. The science of experimental parapsychology has given us scientific proof of metaphysical facts occurring in the physical realm. The resurrection of Christ, and his birth by a virgin, could conceivably be such facts. But Peterson, by his own admission, knows and understands neither their mechanism nor whether they actually have occurred. He does conceive them as possibilities though. Of course, if you deny you have a soul, then for you there are no other facts but physical. No ethics and no civilization either.

[@patriciawinter8613]

Jesus died for our sins? How did that help?

[@DeconvertedMan]

Metaphorically?

[@Yossarianhoenikker]

Ok, metaphorically, how did that help?​@@DeconvertedMan

[@DeconvertedMan]

@@Yossarianhoenikker I'm not sure, needs more word salad. :D

[@rameezjoomun6116]

In Holy Quran 2:261,And remember when Abraham said, ‘My Lord, show me how Thou givest life to the dead.’ He said, ‘Hast thou not believe?’ He said, ‘Yes, but I ask this so that my heart may be at rest.’ He answered, ‘Take four birds and make them attached to thyself. Then put each of them on a hill; then call them; they will come to thee in haste. And know that Allah is Mighty and Wise.’ Besides the afterlife, there is reference to 4 nations that shall rise and fall in ways know to Allah: 1. Nabi Musa was a Great law- bearing Prophet sent for the tribes of Israel with commandments and verities of wisdom that was suited for the Children of Israel at that stage of spiritual and physical requirements. 2. Prophet Isa (Jesus’ peace be upon Him) was the Messiah sent by God to guide the various Tribes of Israel according to the true teachings of the Torah and with the Gospel. He came about 1300 years after Prophet Musa. 3. The Holy Prophet Muhammed is the Last Great law -bearing prophet sent for the whole of mankind with blessings of spiritual guidance and signaling physical/ economic/ secular/technological blessings. 4. The Promised Messiah Nabi Ahmad was sent by God to guide people to the true teachings of the Holy Quran. In the time of the Promised Messiah there are various spiritual blessings and signaling physical/secular/economic/technological blessings. He arrived about 1300 years after the Holy Prophet.

[@sarads7877]

Also, he was dead for 3 days…. Like, it’s not much of a death is it….

[@bryanutility9609]

He died for his own sins not mine.

[@JonathanTBE]

Sins of free speech and individuality? He died due to sysemic corruption, 'Sins' is an outdated outlook on any subject

[@bryanutility9609]

@ no reason for me to care tbh

[@zapkvr]

@@JonathanTBE No one knows what the alleged Jesus said. There are literally no eye witness accounts to his alleged life.

[@heiligebimbam3073]

The Germans have a saying: Faith begins where Knowledge ends.

[@LAPOFNATURE101]

clearly JP is the winner of question dodger. give him a medal.

[@AtamMardes]

♦"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." ♦"Religion is founded on the fear & gullibility of many & the cleverness of few." ♦"Only fools revere the supernatural bs just bc a book says it's the holy truth." ♦"The delusional religious fools are cocksure & the intelligent full of doubt." ♦"The religious believe by the millions what only lunatics believe on their own." ♦"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." ♦"It's difficult to free the religious fools from the chains they revere." ♦“To have faith is precisely to lose one's mind so as to win God.” ♦"The death of dogma is the birth of morality." ♦"Religion fools many bc human brain is susceptible to pareidolia & apophenia."

[@A_Stereotypical_Heretic]

In all of those quotes you can easily replace the word religion with science. Im not discrediting science, the answers it has given us are invaluable. But I do find it quite bewildering that you can paste those quotes and be so blind to the irony of them. I would be very comfortable saying that 99% of the science you know is from reading or listening to others, and not actually performing the experiments and mathematics necessary to validate them. How many revisions to the literature do you need before youre honest with yourself enough to sit back and say..."I don't know, and perhaps no one does..."?

[@AtamMardes]

@@A_Stereotypical_Heretic Unfortunately you're not saying anything intelligent by thinking properly & honestly.

[@planes3333]

Do what you want its freedom of speech. We see buses driving around that say “ there is probably no God so why not enjoy your life” ……dont be silenced by the haters and the new atheists in their new religion. Remember atheism was the reason for the gulags, the great leap forward and the killing fields. Nietzsche and Dostoevsky both predicted the coming butchery from Stalin, Pot and Mao and the death toll reached from 70-100 million dead. That's 100,000,000 people massacred from three regimes and three men. Remember with “God is Dead” you get bloodshed. The Salem witch trials killed 7 the atheist regimes of the 20th century killed 70 million. Also Alexander Solzenitzyn wrote about the insane evil massacres in his book the “Gulag Archipelago” which is now required reading in Russia and by the way it basically brought down the communist/atheistic soviet union. Atheists many of whom are brilliant and than there are those who have not done the job of atheism and that is the seeking of all knowledge about all claims of this universe beginning. Some atheists are as bad as our Fred Phelps and Kenneth Copeland's. Even though we have our Ravi Zacharias's and Stephen Meyers and John Lennox. keep preaching man Jesus commanded it but be wise, dont throw your pearls to pigs.. Also how can an atheist have an opinion on what good or bad is, is that not just a matter of opinion? From where do they derive their actual morals and values from? Society? well I would hate to be a jew during the German final solution during that time in that warped society, oh and your not like that are you? Wait and see what you go along with, or are you already pro abortion.

[@planes3333]

Still copying and pasting hey? We have to stop meeting like this LOL. Whats up Atam Martes. Still preaching? Yeah me too. I wonder if we are at polar opposites in everything or maybe we enjoy some of the same things, I wonder? Well I like dark souls, intelligent drum and bass, badgers, boxing, Dostoyevsky, CS Lewis and JRR Tolkien (sweet christian writers) and I have been sober for a little bit and I love the bible obviously. Hey I was writing this on atheism and the bloodshed its caused, care to take a look and critique? Do what you want its freedom of speech. We see buses driving around that say “ there is probably no God so why not enjoy your life” ……dont be silenced by the haters and the new atheists in their new religion. Remember atheism was the reason for the gulags, the great leap forward and the killing fields. Nietzsche and Dostoevsky both predicted the coming butchery from Stalin, Pot and Mao and the death toll reached from 70-100 million dead. That's 100,000,000 people massacred from three regimes and three men. Remember with “God is Dead” you get bloodshed. The Salem witch trials killed 7 the atheist regimes of the 20th century killed 70 million. Also Alexander Solzenitzyn wrote about the insane evil massacres in his book the “Gulag Archipelago” which is now required reading in Russia and by the way it basically brought down the communist/atheistic soviet union. Atheists many of whom are brilliant and than there are those who have not done the job of atheism and that is the seeking of all knowledge about all claims of this universe beginning. Some atheists are as bad as our Fred Phelps and Kenneth Copeland's. Even though we have our Ravi Zacharias's and Stephen Meyers and John Lennox. keep preaching man Jesus commanded it but be wise, dont throw your pearls to pigs.. Also how can an atheist have an opinion on what good or bad is, is that not just a matter of opinion? From where do they derive their actual morals and values from? Society? well I would hate to be a jew during the German final solution during that time in that warped society, oh and your not like that are you? Wait and see what you go along with, or are you already pro abortion.

[@psyteo3130]

@@A_Stereotypical_Hereticyou’re able to reproduce the things science claim on your own. It’s not just ‘listening & trusting’ others my guy.

[@JonBishopSkate]

Peterson understands what he is being asked and knows that admitting to believing it renders his argument redundant. So instead he avoids the questions, using long words and unrelated quotes to redirect, why not just say he believes it, how Dawkins remains this patient is a miracle.

[@mercedesmaintenance.6339]

Does he think he'll get into some kind of trouble if he just answers the f@@$$ question?

[@jasoncraig2281]

Yes

[@douglashearne290]

@@jasoncraig2281 He will lose some of his following

[@planes3333]

@grayy10k 3 years ago (edited) He's the type of professor where you won't say a WORD in his class. Undivided attention and respect 18K Reply 128 replies this is a comment on Jordan Peterson. Notice the 18k likes in his honor

[@INTERNATIONALvids]

He will loose his large religious fanbase ... Meaning he will make less money

[@qui_etes_vous]

hehehe, right.